Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[JunkoChan]

.........
Let's break down the sentences.

1. I'm fine shutting down Mastina's ego if they're town and wrong. Nobody should be 97.5% confident in a read day one. AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE 100% CONFIDENT IN A READ DAY 1 Unless they have mod information. Which I won't entertain given who I'm speaking to.
2. If they're right my win condition is advanced and I'll be happy with that.

Am I leaving out that you're the best player at the table at reading Norwe? Yes. Yes I'm going to ignore that claim because there are a lot of issues I have with it. Such as:
1. You could be wrong.

have you ever played with mastina?

[JunkoChan]

page 37

thoughts right now, Bell and norwee never a team, this latest interaction with fire pushing a vote on what feels like a bit of momentum from people on Bell feels oportunistic and by that point only one who followed on fire's vote was Cephrir

I'll continue reading tomorrow

[Cephrir]

It would be really funny if norwe was scum and y'all elimed mastina for being right

[Lukewarm]

@Furtive have you back read any of the Windclan PT?

[Lukewarm]

see 276 alisae (scum) vs val, doesn't read like scum v scum

alisae/norwee feels acted

Can you explain the last part?

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norwee says that they read alisae because they were very helpful and they helped them, just doesn't feel like a real thought, at least so early in the game, I'm of course reading this knowing that alisae is scum, like that's the start but if you keep reading it keeps happening

It feels NAI to me.
Though it depends on what was in their hood.
Luke, if you don't mind, can you tell us what Alisae had said to Norwee at the time 284 was posted?

It feels NAI to me.
Though it depends on what was in their hood.
Luke, if you don't mind, can you tell us what Alisae had said to Norwee at the time 284 was posted?

Norwee and Ali talked a lot in the PT prior to that point. like 3 full pages of back and forths with only a handful of posts from Val and a single post from Shiro saying they were there.

There was a bit where norwee said he was feeling lost in the game, and Ali and said she would help him, and started asking questions about his thoughts. She asked about the FA v Char thing early on with Char faking posting in his hood. With Ali grabbing quotes and asking Norwee's thoughts on them.

She then starts asking him to read Datisi and SS's isos.

I can see Norwee feeling that Ali had done a lot to help him get grounded in the game.

I said this yesterDay, but I feel like Ali looked like she was putting in a lot of effort towards pocketing Norwee in the hood.

[Lukewarm]

@Junko, here were my thoughts reading the Norwee / Ali interactions in the windclan

Spoiler:

I have read the first 2 pages of the windclan PT, and I feel like Alisae is putting a lot of effort into trying to pocket Norwee in those pages. Would be surprised if that was scum theater tbh

So guys, i'm trying to change my font and playstyle for this game. Tell me if you like it. <3

For reference, this post from Norwee came from a joke from Aliase in the pt, where she started joking with him about post limits making him have to type essays, him responding, her telling him that typing with comic sans is possibile on the site, him thinking it was funny. Him making this post on the main thread, her joking about it, and her bringing it back up and laughing when Bear voted norwee because of the font.

It was a LOT of banter back and forth.

I just hit a point where Alisae seems to be trying to gently lead Norwee into a "FA" scum read, like. Trying to make it seem like it was his idea.

I will be baffled if the Norwee slot is scum with Alisae, so gonna put Furtiveglance down as town

I have read the first 2 pages of the windclan PT, and I feel like Alisae is putting a lot of effort into trying to pocket Norwee in those pages. Would be surprised if that was scum theater tbh

I just hit a spot where Val came to this same conclusion, which helps me feel better about my own.

ON A SIMILAR NOTE, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT ALISAE/NORWEE, HOWEVER, A COUNTERPOINT DOES EXIST ABOUT ALISAE'S SCUM PLAY AND HOOD WIFOM BULLSHIT:

The points you just quoted seem to be based on Mastina's take, when she had not read it herself.

Val is also there saying that it does not look like S/S.

I feel pretty confident in this being a scum/town pocket attempt. Like, the banter started strong, then transitioned into Alisaie trying to nudge Norwee to a miselim. Which I think are the same posts that Val is refering to here

Those takes were given after Alisea asked Norwee, and only Norwee, very leading questions that amounted to "What is your read on X player based on posts Y and Z", which as you can see from the conclusion given by themselves, focused on a very narrow subset of the player base

Just hit the point where Shiro weighed in after Val asks if she thinks that it could be scum theater.

Her conclusion is that norwee and alisae are never scum together.

So, if they are then they managed to fool every single townie in this PT lmao

[furtiveglance]

@Furtive have you back read any of the Windclan PT?

A bit, no conclusions really

[Bell]

i haven't caught any scum or done anything at any point

Neither, and no one's mad at me for some reason

I'm mad at you.

[Bell]

Guys,
quick question do I have to actually respond to Junko casing me or can I just let them continue to waste their time casing me.

[Bell]

.........
Let's break down the sentences.

1. I'm fine shutting down Mastina's ego if they're town and wrong. Nobody should be 97.5% confident in a read day one. AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE 100% CONFIDENT IN A READ DAY 1 Unless they have mod information. Which I won't entertain given who I'm speaking to.
2. If they're right my win condition is advanced and I'll be happy with that.

Am I leaving out that you're the best player at the table at reading Norwe? Yes. Yes I'm going to ignore that claim because there are a lot of issues I have with it. Such as:
1. You could be wrong.

have you ever played with mastina?

I'm a bit bewildered you wasted calories writing this.

[Bell]

VOTE: Danflorr

[Cephrir]

Guys,
quick question do I have to actually respond to Junko casing me or can I just let them continue to waste their time casing me.

you're good

[Cephrir]

we are not eliminating the vig today please try again

[Cephrir]

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im not like super confident on it but i think he feels like town val to me

That's really kind of vague? Like what in specific have you seen that makes you think that? Elaborate a little for me.

i mean i already explained the specific aspect of his play that was reminding me of his town play idk what more you want

like i can go pull up the posts from invictus that i think are similar if you really want me to but idk what you're hoping to accomplish here

feels a little weird i wouldn't expect you to care about this

town indicative?

No, I don't want to read his posts from invictus, I want to read the ones from

this game

you think are towny. If you

have to

, you can draw a comparsion between butt I want a little more than one sentence from you on why he's towny.

I'm literally just asking you to elaborate on your read, why are you getting so defensive?

276. like i said, i think it's towny bc he is like, viewing the game as if it's revolving around him, that alisae has this master plan to start suspecting him prior to him pushing a case on them so that they can be the one to do it first. and just the overdramatic 294 is kinda the same vibes. it's just like, really over the top in an almost conspiratorial way? and that feels like something that is not super easy to replicate as scum bc replicating it would require being self-aware of it as town and i think it's kinda inherently something that you wouldn't be very self-aware about. and additionally this matches up with my previous meta knowledge of val

and im just kinda weirded out by your approach to me here bc it feels v different than past experiences when you were town

idk if you've ever asked me to elaborate on a read in that way lmao

Is it really that hard to understand that I voted Norwe first because it’s RVS and I’m happy to explore where a wagon might lead on a small TR on slot that hadn’t done much and stayed there because the best defense I’ve seen is “trust me you guys, they’re super town in the neighborhood?”
You keep saying you think you get it but then you loop back right into not knowing. Ask some clarification questions instead of looping. Into a deeper and deeper series of doubt that themselves don’t make sense because it almost seems like you can’t understand how time works. \: or something?

yes it very much is? bc it wasn't rvs? it was on page 24 how is that rvs? and you've kept your vote there the entire time, so if the vote was bc you're happy to explore wagons then why not ever explore other wagons? this is starting to feel like weird excuses to not actually do any normal town behavior like hunt scum or vote for the people you think are scum

and you are responding to a quote in which i did ask clarifying questions so... yea that's what im doing. i don't get the tone here. what do you even mean that i don't understand how time works?

i never said that i get why you're doing this. i specifically said multiple times that it is really weird and doesn't make sense to me. all ive said is that now you're at least showing your thought process and i feel like i can see that thought process even though i don't really think the thought process makes sense (and tbh kind of feels fake and made up after the fact to justify your behavior considering there are unexplained holes in it)

like in that post i specifically asked you to clarify what you meant by justifying your vote as a reaction to alisae's approach to norwee, when your vote was before they took that approach. and you ignored the question. and then made up another justification that doesn't make sense (rvs??). and then said that i should be asking more clarifying questions to understand you. like what

this isn't a bus

unfortunate we eliminated datisi while having access to this iso. dunno why we did that.

[Cephrir]

fixed:

290

im not like super confident on it but i think he feels like town val to me

That's really kind of vague? Like what in specific have you seen that makes you think that? Elaborate a little for me.

i mean i already explained the specific aspect of his play that was reminding me of his town play idk what more you want

like i can go pull up the posts from invictus that i think are similar if you really want me to but idk what you're hoping to accomplish here

feels a little weird i wouldn't expect you to care about this

No, I don't want to read his posts from invictus, I want to read the ones from

this game

you think are towny. If you

have to

, you can draw a comparsion between butt I want a little more than one sentence from you on why he's towny.

I'm literally just asking you to elaborate on your read, why are you getting so defensive?

276. like i said, i think it's towny bc he is like, viewing the game as if it's revolving around him, that alisae has this master plan to start suspecting him prior to him pushing a case on them so that they can be the one to do it first. and just the overdramatic 294 is kinda the same vibes. it's just like, really over the top in an almost conspiratorial way? and that feels like something that is not super easy to replicate as scum bc replicating it would require being self-aware of it as town and i think it's kinda inherently something that you wouldn't be very self-aware about. and additionally this matches up with my previous meta knowledge of val

and im just kinda weirded out by your approach to me here bc it feels v different than past experiences when you were town

idk if you've ever asked me to elaborate on a read in that way lmao

town indicative?

Is it really that hard to understand that I voted Norwe first because it’s RVS and I’m happy to explore where a wagon might lead on a small TR on slot that hadn’t done much and stayed there because the best defense I’ve seen is “trust me you guys, they’re super town in the neighborhood?”
You keep saying you think you get it but then you loop back right into not knowing. Ask some clarification questions instead of looping. Into a deeper and deeper series of doubt that themselves don’t make sense because it almost seems like you can’t understand how time works. \: or something?

yes it very much is? bc it wasn't rvs? it was on page 24 how is that rvs? and you've kept your vote there the entire time, so if the vote was bc you're happy to explore wagons then why not ever explore other wagons? this is starting to feel like weird excuses to not actually do any normal town behavior like hunt scum or vote for the people you think are scum

and you are responding to a quote in which i did ask clarifying questions so... yea that's what im doing. i don't get the tone here. what do you even mean that i don't understand how time works?

i never said that i get why you're doing this. i specifically said multiple times that it is really weird and doesn't make sense to me. all ive said is that now you're at least showing your thought process and i feel like i can see that thought process even though i don't really think the thought process makes sense (and tbh kind of feels fake and made up after the fact to justify your behavior considering there are unexplained holes in it)

like in that post i specifically asked you to clarify what you meant by justifying your vote as a reaction to alisae's approach to norwee, when your vote was before they took that approach. and you ignored the question. and then made up another justification that doesn't make sense (rvs??). and then said that i should be asking more clarifying questions to understand you. like what

this isn't a bus

unfortunate we eliminated datisi while having access to this iso. dunno why we did that.

[JunkoChan]

.........
Let's break down the sentences.

1. I'm fine shutting down Mastina's ego if they're town and wrong. Nobody should be 97.5% confident in a read day one. AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE 100% CONFIDENT IN A READ DAY 1 Unless they have mod information. Which I won't entertain given who I'm speaking to.
2. If they're right my win condition is advanced and I'll be happy with that.

Am I leaving out that you're the best player at the table at reading Norwe? Yes. Yes I'm going to ignore that claim because there are a lot of issues I have with it. Such as:
1. You could be wrong.

have you ever played with mastina?

I'm a bit bewildered you wasted calories writing this.

you could like, say yes or no idk

well I'll continue reading

[Cephrir]

enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now

can you walk me through your thoughts here in more detail?

you started the game off with lots of opinions and reads and thoughts and even early voting

ive only played with you as town i think and my experience is that you haven't really done that at all

so my first thought was that here you might be feeling some pressure to do more in order to get townread and the playstyle difference could be due to alignment difference

lately tho you've felt more what i would expect (but still giving reads), which also makes me think it isn't like a completely different playstyle, you probably just genuinely had things that you had thoughts and opinions on, which is like a good thing anyway bc now its easier to actually track what you've been thinking

why am i towny

you feel like you really have your investigator hat on and your magnifying glass out but in a way that is more focused on moving the game forward and prodding things out from people than it is about performance or like putting your own mindset on display for townpoints

specifically it reminds me of turing test d1

these seem more like potential partner interactions to me

[JunkoChan]

@Lukewarm, thanks I did feel like it was fake interaction, maybe because i'm missing what happened in their hood

(I haven't read my hood btw) that shit is 30 pages long but I'm guessing from expereience that if something iomportant happened there it should be a reference to it in the OT so I'm not reading there for now

[Cephrir]

the catboi/dann thing is interesting ig. it feels like they're both kinda puffing their chests up a lil bit, maybe just bc it's all very... cordial? it feels like there's a slight lack of. something. behind the posts, intensity or conviction maybe. some of it feels a bit like writing for the sake of writing rather than like, a true reflection of a passionate scumread of the heart

that could just come from being 2 good players early on in the game who are aware that even if they find the other to be suspicious so far, it's hard to be confident in a read, so idk

i kinda still am more nervous about catboi of the two but it could be a playstyle thing that im not used to

kinda think this is a partner interaction also

[JunkoChan]

enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now

can you walk me through your thoughts here in more detail?

you started the game off with lots of opinions and reads and thoughts and even early voting

ive only played with you as town i think and my experience is that you haven't really done that at all

so my first thought was that here you might be feeling some pressure to do more in order to get townread and the playstyle difference could be due to alignment difference

lately tho you've felt more what i would expect (but still giving reads), which also makes me think it isn't like a completely different playstyle, you probably just genuinely had things that you had thoughts and opinions on, which is like a good thing anyway bc now its easier to actually track what you've been thinking

why am i towny

you feel like you really have your investigator hat on and your magnifying glass out but in a way that is more focused on moving the game forward and prodding things out from people than it is about performance or like putting your own mindset on display for townpoints

specifically it reminds me of turing test d1

these seem more like potential partner interactions to me

I'm getting there, I'll check

[JunkoChan]

I’m one of the easiest sorts in the world.
And you either didn’t manage it or you’re scum fire.

I hate your guts

not related to alignment or game, i just do

[JunkoChan]

enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now

can you walk me through your thoughts here in more detail?

you started the game off with lots of opinions and reads and thoughts and even early voting

ive only played with you as town i think and my experience is that you haven't really done that at all

so my first thought was that here you might be feeling some pressure to do more in order to get townread and the playstyle difference could be due to alignment difference

lately tho you've felt more what i would expect (but still giving reads), which also makes me think it isn't like a completely different playstyle, you probably just genuinely had things that you had thoughts and opinions on, which is like a good thing anyway bc now its easier to actually track what you've been thinking

why am i towny

you feel like you really have your investigator hat on and your magnifying glass out but in a way that is more focused on moving the game forward and prodding things out from people than it is about performance or like putting your own mindset on display for townpoints

specifically it reminds me of turing test d1

these seem more like potential partner interactions to me

I'm getting there, I'll check

it does feel condescending? i think is the word, like "step it up or you will call attention" half hearted read, just cuz, did fire vote something smart at any point after that? is what I'm thinking

[Freedom]

Guys,
quick question do I have to actually respond to Junko casing me or can I just let them continue to waste their time casing me.

You should just ignore them.
They're probably just scum hoping to get the Vig limmed so they don't have to NK you.
Though, their content makes me feel better than flow's.

[Lukewarm]

@Furtive have you back read any of the Windclan PT?

A bit, no conclusions really

You have access to a PT with two flipped scum, that most of the playerlist does not have access to, and you gained no thoughts that you felt worth mentioning in the main thread?

[JunkoChan]

@Furtive have you back read any of the Windclan PT?

A bit, no conclusions really

You have access to a PT with two flipped scum, that most of the playerlist does not have access to, and you gained no thoughts that you felt worth mentioning in the main thread?

-realises that could be my case
-checks the hood
-mastina and datisi are dead
-aight... were they limmed or killed? limmed (f u guys)
-this hood is dead since december 2, what happened?