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[skitter30]

i don't give much weight to kitty's reasoning for town-pooky tbh

[Val89]

i felt like 1651 was dumbing down my argument into something less nuanced than what i was trying to say at the time, which made me bristle a bit because i don't think that's something i would have tried to argue or say in that way

I really don't understand. What naunce or context do you thing is being lost by summing up:

I think you're expecting too much out of a post20 post, and i think it's quite reasonable (and good) for ehat we had at the time

Like you're attributing a scummy motivation to something that i think boils down to - he missed the ic post, and found 17/19 more noteworthy to comment on than 7/13
Like you're expectations for what he *should* have been doing at that post are unreasonable imo

as I'm 'expecting too much of a early post'.

what i meant 292 more in the sense of:
your expectations for his reasoning on the difference between posts are unreasonably high given the stage of the game, i don't think that he needs to have an explanation for why he commented on one prior post and not the other, and i don't think it's scummy if he doesn't have such an explanation. in post 20 he can choose to have found one or two prior RVS posts notable but not all of them, and that doesn't imply that he's internally inconsistent or making up things

I can't see any difference at all??

[Datisi]

replacing unwnd and Scoliosis.

[innocentvillager]

replacing unwnd and Scoliosis.

2 minutes and 40 seconds late?? Smh Datisi

[innocentvillager]

utterly irresponsible mod

[skitter30]

I really don't understand. What naunce or context do you thing is being lost by summing up:

everything after teh first comma

[Val89]

VOTE: skitter30

[skitter30]

i'm not really sure why *this* is what you're choosing to vote me over, but ok

[Val89]

I ... don't know what i was thinking, i read all of those posts but for some reason thought 41 42 happened right after 20 and before 24

I think i had iso'd both and somehow conflated post numbers, but that's my bad

I feel better abt kitty then

And i had a brainfart wrt whether or not they had seen/responded to kitty's question (i thought kitty's question was later for some reason), that's different than 'not even paying attention' or 'acting on bad faith', and doesn't have much to do with the basis of my scoliosis read at all (should it affect my kitty read? sure, and i addressed that already)

Derp number one.

I don't think your answer makes sense - I've tried reading the posts in the order you say you mistook them for, and I still can't get there.

Like ig i'm kinda confused how kittytacky can start off liking 20 and then move to disliking it when other people find it scummy without scoliosis posting anything in between

There was no "other people". I've had a chance to re-read all of the first 6 pages up to 126, and nobody else but me had an issue with Sco. You were either, as I expected when I spotted it, exaggerating to try and get something going on KT, or else, derp number 2.

Either way, you had no business trying to start a wagon on KT.

[Val89]

Fwiw i'm reading them as experienced in mafia but new to ms and is used to a different site meta (and/or possibly an irl player new to forum mafia)

Derp number 3. No re-evaluation in light of that assumption being proven incorrect.

Wait really
...

If true this actually changes my read quite a bit

There should have been, though, apparently.

[Firebringer]

replacing unwnd and Scoliosis.

2 minutes and 40 seconds late?? Smh Datisi

utterly irresponsible mod

i found this so funny gonna lock town IV for the remainder of this game.

[Val89]

then i misremembered what i said

Derp number 4.

everything after teh first comma

No, wait! It's not a derp; Val is trying to deliberately misrep her position.

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

VOTE: val89

19 looks like a scum post to me.

I suspect Testarossa too for posting 17. By comparison, 6 doesn't include a vote so it isn't trying to blend.

1. How so?
2. It's not trying to blend... because it's by the IC.

IMO this kind of weird comment (2) is townish.

VOTE: Church

Popping in to say I'll be active tomorrow.

I don't like this.

The townleans are fine for now.

What townleans?

Nothing scummy IME, but feels like everyone's poking at a dead slug of a game (assuming holidays, that's what was up for me) trying to get life out of it.

The game just started. It doesn't sound to me like you've read the game at all. I feel like you're lying in 40 and I want to know why.

nothing stands out as exceptional enough to comment on yet.

Nothing scummy IME, but feels like everyone's poking at a dead slug of a game (assuming holidays, that's what was up for me)

The game just started. It doesn't sound to me like you've read the game at all. I feel like you're lying in 40 and I want to know why.

I misspoke in 41. It isn't that it sounds like you haven't read the game, it's that it sounds like you've read the game

too much

and are being careful not to create any unintentional links or imply which points you know were important and which weren't.

when i was remembering what happened here after the fact, i thought that this was the order:
* 20 happened
* scol posted 41/42
* kitty had some followup questions on 20 (in 24) that he thought had gone unanswered, which he mentioned again a couple of times later. at this point i thought that scol *hadn't* posted again after 24, so i thought kitty was being unreasonable in expecting a response when (i thought) scol hadn't posted again at all

-

also for the second point: you're literally the other people. You acknowledge that there were other people (yourself)

my starting point r.e. the timeline was wrong and a mistake, but i dont' think the conclusion was unreasonable given where i was starting
when it was pointed out that the timeline was wrong i re-evaluated

[Datisi]

MathBlade replaces unwnd.

[Ydrasse]

the theatrics

[Firebringer]

is it just me or is skitter more sassy these days

[Ydrasse]

Oh no my page count it’s about to rapidly grow

ahhhhhhh oh no

[Val89]

the way I read you is mostly looking at your posts - comparing to thread and seeing if you're keeping up and generally how much you want to be here. if you feel like you want to be here/engage I slot you as town. You have issues keeping up with the thread this starts looking worse.

For me - fair enuf, that is probably a good way to read me

Cool. I'll take your word for it.

It looks to me like you are phoning this game in, and apparently that's your scum meta.

[MathBlade]

MathBlade replaces unwnd.

Catching up now.

Anyone got a TLDR to get me started?

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: have to make votes super invisible /joke

[skitter30]

Fwiw i'm reading them as experienced in mafia but new to ms and is used to a different site meta (and/or possibly an irl player new to forum mafia)

Derp number 3. No re-evaluation in light of that assumption being proven incorrect.

Wait really
...

If true this actually changes my read quite a bit

There should have been, though, apparently.

it was specific the revelation taht it might be FL that I was re-evaluating

[skitter30]

then i misremembered what i said

Derp number 4.

everything after teh first comma

No, wait! It's not a derp; Val is trying to deliberately misrep her position.

i did *not* accuse you of trying to deliberately misrep your position, i said i disliked the way you framed it and that it annoyed me.

[skitter30]

is it just me or is skitter more sassy these days

yes apparently

[skitter30]

the way I read you is mostly looking at your posts - comparing to thread and seeing if you're keeping up and generally how much you want to be here. if you feel like you want to be here/engage I slot you as town. You have issues keeping up with the thread this starts looking worse.

For me - fair enuf, that is probably a good way to read me

Cool. I'll take your word for it.

It looks to me like you are phoning this game in, and apparently that's your scum meta.

phoning it in would be ignoring you now
i'm around when i can be, life is busy

[skitter30]

MathBlade replaces unwnd.

Catching up now.

Anyone got a TLDR to get me started?

we're abt to flip scol who i think is town
yesterday we policy-flipped gera for not claiming
toto is ic
iv is obvious town
kitty is probably town
val is probably town but somewhat annoying
i think there's probably scum in you/pooky