OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

[Herta]

Your wish

HEAL: N_M

[Herta]

HEAL: unheal

[Herta]

Pray for the holy cow HEAL: Not_Mafia

I think this puts N_M at Nobility -1. That's why I unvoted. I'd like to vote the instant win and I don't think N_M is it.

[Herta]

Pray for the holy cow HEAL: Not_Mafia

I think this puts N_M at Nobility -1. That's why I unvoted. I'd like to vote the instant win and I don't think N_M is it.

I voted n_m after you unvoted

That's taken into account friend

[Herta]

Pray for the holy cow HEAL: Not_Mafia

I think this puts N_M at Nobility -1. That's why I unvoted. I'd like to vote the instant win and I don't think N_M is it.

hello friend, I like your suit. I have yet to read the nobility part of the setup but I will soon. Or perhaps i'll beg nancy to explain it to me instead of doing that ... hmm
I also just realized Nancy and I are both N. So I will start using A instead

-A

I apparently got the nobility thing wrong so I've got to reread it myself.

[Herta]

And now a dance break

Spoiler:

[Herta]

What about voting the noble can we hammer that vote or is it whoever is in the lead when the main gets limmed.

pedit: that makes sense re the vote

I didn't want to noble N_M. It's a waste to do it as a meme when we could actually nail someone no matter how unlikely that may be.

[Herta]

Why are you ruling out nm as vampire?

I'm not I just don't think he's likelier vampire than anyone else and I'd like the game to breathe a bit to maybe narrow it down.

[Herta]

N_M does that first post every game

[Herta]

Why are you ruling out nm as vampire?

I'm not I just don't think he's likelier vampire than anyone else and I'd like the game to breathe a bit to maybe narrow it down.

How do you figure we will narrow it down?

Don't your reads develop as time passes?

[Herta]

Ok, so this is probably hard to implement but I think the theoretical optimal way to play this for town is to pick the top two scum reads as noble+lynch today, and lynch the noble the next day (in case they were not the DA). And repeat the day after (pick a new noble to be lynched the day after).

FYI We're not using that l-word any longer.

[Herta]

To each their own I guess.

[Herta]

Well that's a lock

HEAL: enchant

Good vote right enchant?

[Herta]

I lost my phone so slim posting unless I find time at the office.

I don't think Porkens is mafia but I want to read my last game with them.

[Herta]

HEAL: Not_Mafia

Yeah okay.

HEAL: Not_Mafia


I don't have a good scum read on anyone yet.

[Herta]

I think it's interfering with my normal game.

[Herta]

Everyone's listed.

That hammer did nothing for my lack of scum reads.

[Herta]

BTW giving not_mafia and enchant 4 votes does look like the optimal play for mafia regardless of their alignment. Anyone that reaches 2 votes today can get lolhammered.

So I'd refrain from voting until we get our shit together.

Who do you have in mind to vote?

[Herta]

IDK, lets agree who we going to noble first and try to find the DA maybe. There is only 10 pages so lacking any other info I'd say the plan to Elim not_mafia still valid. (he has higher than average chance of being mafia given he is not the DA).

And a higher chance he's town as well, right?

[Herta]

What happened to looking for the DA is scummy?

[Herta]

Not sure if this is a new pstyle thing, but i find posts like this lack confidence and make me think scum. I would confidently say i scumread Herta but I felt a similar thing about Elmo who has a similar pstyle i feel like.

Confidence is as confidence does.

[Herta]

The hidden noble does not appear in the Vote Count.

Wait @Enchant can you vote someone?

I've been over and over this and this:

An appointed hidden noble is informed they are a hidden noble, and has a hidden extra elimination vote. Hidden nobles count as one person for elimination majority.

And I can't seem to sync the two statements. The note in the VC says that the hidden noble doesn't appear in the VC, but the game instruction says that only the vote is hidden, not the hidden noble themself. At least that's the way I read it.

And then, how can the hidden noble count as one person for elimination majority but still get a regular vote plus a hidden vote?

Does anyone know of other iterations of this setup I can review? I'm not going to ask the mod yet to clarify until that's the only option left. Or can anyone explain this to me?

[Herta]

Governate Junkochan

HEAL: Not_Mafia

Why change perfection?

Why switch off of JunkoChan to yourself

[Herta]

I don't think that this setup has been run before. After reading the discussion thread I'm on board with this.

VOTE: not_mafia

[Herta]

Then what's the utility of the second vote?

[Herta]

I get that, but I don't understand that if your second vote doesn't count for the elimination why have it? What does it do?

[Herta]

Wait this is some strategy thing I think that I'm not grasping. Hold off on answering Enchant

[Herta]

Yeah its a good point I've been considering myself too. What should we do with Nm today though? Do you guys think he is readable?

In the setup thread the suggestion was to always kill the double voter. I don't know how that works practically.

[Herta]

I don't know where that emoji came from

[Herta]

Hey Herta

[Herta]

I woke up and saw activity.

I'm really lost.

[Herta]

Isn't enchant conf town now?

[Herta]

Really?

[Herta]

Scummy entrance.

VOTE: freedom

[Herta]

Daystart I'll post something tomorrow maybe. Just going to forget about da and play mafia unless enchant has a diff idea.

[Herta]

HEAL: herta

[Herta]

HEAL: tapiocaphobe

That would be dandy.

[Herta]

I didn't really understand your conclusion that Tapiocaphobe was DA either, Nancy, but I saw a process from you that looked genuine and was willing to follow it.

[Herta]

VOTE: elmo

[Herta]

Really no pushback from Tapocaphobe on being healed, which I'd expect from them if DA.

Junko wouldn't put Elmo at E-2, essentially E-1, if mafia with threat of Tapiocaphobe being DA? Unless sure DA is not Tapiocaphobe, which I think is unlikely anyone can be sure that anyone else is not DA.

[Herta]

UNVOTE:

[Herta]

Really no pushback from Tapocaphobe on being healed, which I'd expect from them if DA.

Junko wouldn't put Elmo at E-2, essentially E-1, if mafia with threat of Tapiocaphobe being DA? Unless sure DA is not Tapiocaphobe, which I think is unlikely anyone can be sure that anyone else is not DA.

Are you afraid we hit da Herta?

If you all want to noble me that's fine, but I don't get your logic here. Oh I see it's you think I may be mafia and am afraid the game ends with a hammer. If that were the case I'd unheal Tapiocaphobe.

[Herta]

Yeah that was e-3.

VOTE: elmo

[Herta]

I don't get your logic Junko?

[Herta]

Well that's helpful.

[Herta]

If you're town, Junko, and I think you are, can you drop the paranoia like 20%? With you flying solo the difficulty of this game is increased.

[Herta]

<sigh>

Right on.

[Herta]

I think I'd feel better if Enchant were voting Tapiocaphone maybe. But I don't read PolarBears as scum. Even one scum voting someone who is likely DA doesn't make sense. That would leave a pool of Enchant, Elmo and Polar Bears?

[Herta]

Thinking DA leader is probably wrong but willing to roll with it.

[Herta]

elcome!

You are a Dark Angel.

Abilities:

Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.


Win condition:

You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).


The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

I assume the thing about posting int he mafia PT is a typo?

[Herta]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Herta]

Official Vote Count 3.02

Elimination

Not_Mafia

(1): Eiralox

Polar Bear Express

(1): Toto

Elmo TeH AzN

(1): JunkoChan

Not Voting

(7):

Elmo TeH AzN

, Tapiocaphobe, Herta, Not_Mafia, Enchant, Polar Bear Express

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Herta

(3): Toto, Herta, JunkoChan

Tapiocaphobe

(1): Eiralox

Not Voting

(5):Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Polar Bear Express, Not_Mafia, Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-17 10:55:28).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for elimination.

Official Vote Count 3.05

Elimination

Eiralox

(3): Tapiocaphobe, JunkoChan, Not_Mafia

Elmo TeH Azn

(2): Herta, Toto

Not Voting

(5):

Elmo TeH AzN

, Enchant, Eiralox, Polar Bear Express

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Tapiocaphobe

(5): Eiralox, Polar Bear Express, Herta, Toto, JunkoChan

Polar Bear Express

(2): Tapiocaphobe, Enchant

JunkoChan

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Not Voting

(1): Not_Mafia

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-17 10:55:28).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for elimination.
  
• Elmo TeH AzN VLA until Tuesday, Toto VLA until Sunday
  
• Tapiocaphobe has been prodded

This is a headache. Neither N_M nor eiralox shows up as a double vote.

[Herta]

UNVOTE:

Someone can tell me where to vote please.

[Herta]

I can do it or should I wait.

[Herta]

VOTE: elmo

[Herta]

I'm not hidden noble.

6 alive plus DA. We should be able to narrow it down and just win right.

[Herta]

Eiralox PBE or Meg.

[Herta]

I was hoping that wasn't the case but makes sense.

[Herta]

Eiralox PBE or Meg.

Can you go into why you suspect these players so I can check my notes later?

Everyone else has been a noble other than me and I'm a vt. So with PBE claiming that narrows it down to Eiralox or Meg (Junko). I'm not healing outside of those two today.

[Herta]

Hidden nobles: eiralox, enchant, PBE
Elected nobles: Mathblade (Tapio), Not_Mafia
Not nobled: Herta, Meg

Assuming hidden noble claims are true, DA is in Herta/Meg.

HEAL: Meg

WRT mafia, I don't know.
____________

Math, there are 7 alive, so 6 into night. The VC says 8 votes because you have 2 votes. So 7 into night, 6 alive tomorrow.

If mafia select DA tonight, DA leaves so 5 alive tomorrow, 3 town 2 maf, with dayvig town loses.

If mafia do not select DA tonight, 6 alive tomorrow, 3 town, 2 maf and 1 DA.

Is that correct?

[Herta]

And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

[Herta]

And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

Nobles don't work in Elo. Just in case.

You're right I forgot about that.

[Herta]

The Dark Angel leaves the game in a win if the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1 (what would be ELo if not for the Dark Angel).

So if 3:2 tomorrow, it's just town v mafia.

[Herta]

Math + PBE have 4 votes, so really it's up to them who dies today.

[Herta]

And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

Nobles don't work in Elo. Just in case.

You're right I forgot about that.

Actually if I'm healed and we eliminate mafia today, I get two votes tomorrow, so that's okay. At worst mafia get a dayvig tomorrow, but that's after I'm elected noble.

[Herta]

I'm kind of disappointed I don't really have much to do here.
Killing/Nobling between me and herta means finding mafia is kinda pointless for me today
Am wondering something

@MOD
Is the scum nightkill mandatory?

Gotta do stuff, I'll check back later

Why is finding mafia pointless?

~N

It's not.

[Herta]

If N_M is town he needs to fess up on the hidden noble from yesterday.

[Herta]

Official Vote Count 2.04

Elimination

Freedom

(6): JunkoChan, Herta,

Not_Mafia

, Passenger, Enchant

<--HAMMER

Not Voting

(6): Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Toto, JohnnyFarrar, Polar Bear Express, Freedom

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Elmo TeH AzN

(4): Toto, Freedom, JunkoChan, Polar Bear Express

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(6):Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Herta, JohnnyFarrar, Passenger, Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-11 09:40:07).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination.
  
• Will be looking for a replacement for JohnnyFarrar.
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

Enchant's claim of hidden noble on Day 2 was true.

[Herta]

and vote since he's definitely not town fmpov

From town meg's pov I'm exactly DA.

[Herta]

Math has a problem.

[Herta]

Everyone agrees the DA is between the two of us, Herta and Meg. So we kill one and noble the other.

If we noble the DA gg.

If we kill the DA and the other is town, tomorrow is limlo at 3:2.

If we kill the DA and the other is scum, tomorrow is 4:1.

I will vote either to heal me and kill Meg or to heal Meg and kill me.

[Herta]

Day 1

Elimination: Porkens (vt)
Elected Noble: Not_Mafia
Hidden Noble: none

Day 2

Elimination: Freedom (vt)
Elected Noble: Elmo
Hidden Noble: Enchant (confirmed)

Day 3

Elimination: Elmo (vt)
Elected Noble: Mathblade (Tapiocaphobe)
Hidden Noble: Eiralox (unconfirmed)

Day 4

Hidden Noble: PBE (unconfirmed)

Players remaining: Mathblade, Herta, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia, Enchant, MegAzumarill

Enchant cannot be DA because of Day 2 confirmation. Not_Mafia, Elmo, Mathblade cannot be DA because they were elected nobles.

Not_Mafia claimed Hidden Noble on Days 3 & 4. No one else counter-claimed HN on those days. Not_Mafia has history of trolling, assumption is he's trolling here, but if he's town it sure would help if he'd come clean.

DA pool is Herta, Eiralox, PBE, MegAzurmarill. If you knock out the claimed Hidden Nobles (again N_M could help here), we're left with Herta and Meg as possible DAs.

so assuming Eiralox & PBE were/are truly Hidden Nobles, DA must be Herta or Meg.

Would mafia lie about being a Hidden Noble? Sure, but there's no authentic counterclaim to the unconfirmed claimed HNs (Eiralox & PBE), so, without N_M's help we have to go with a DA pool of Herta and Meg.

The longer N_M is quiet, the more we have to assume he's just scum. Because it's close to game throwing if he's town at this point.

[Herta]

Enchant cannot be scum because he is confirmed Day 2 Hidden Noble.

Leaves pool of {Mathblade, Herta, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill}

Herta is out of course.

Meg is DA.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia}

Eiralox & PBE are unconfirmed but claimed Hidden Nobles. There's no authentic counterlcaim (N_M help please) to either. So I have to assume they're true claiming. Therefore they cannot be scum.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Not_Mafia}

From my perspective, assuming the true claims, that's the exact team.

[Herta]

The unconfirmed HNs of Eiralox and PBE are the big holes there.

[Herta]

Mafia likely trying to rush though Herta lim.

And that's fine as long as people are healing Meg.

[Herta]

Why can Eiralox and PBE not be scum? I thought scum could HN themself, and eira was very late to claim HN from what I've heard

Yes, there's no rule against Mafia HN themselves. Question is would they give up the possible dayvig for the deception? Maybe.

[Herta]

The unconfirmed HNs of Eiralox and PBE are the big holes there.

How am I a “big hole” to you? No HN CC. But if anyone were to do that, I know they’d be confiscum anyway.

That's why I have to assume both you and Eiralox are true claiming.

[Herta]

I could prove myself as town if we elimmed Herta and Nobled me

Let's do this. Move your heal vote to yourself.

[Herta]

Why can Eiralox and PBE not be scum? I thought scum could HN themself, and eira was very late to claim HN from what I've heard

You didn't put Enchant in there. You _did_ point out that scum could hidden noble their own.

[Herta]

I could prove myself as town if we elimmed Herta and Nobled me

Let's do this. Move your heal vote to yourself.

Yeah you'd like that wouldn't you.

Winning > An IC so let's not

I'm volunteering to be the elimination if you are the heal, so yes. Let's do that.

[Herta]

Yeah I had a brain block on my alignment analysis. Hidden Nobles can still be scum. I need to revisit that.

[Herta]

I could prove myself as town if we elimmed Herta and Nobled me

Let's do this. Move your heal vote to yourself.

+1

Good point. If you’re not DA Mega, heal yourself. I recommend Herta do the same.

~N

That's fine as long as Meg is eliminated.

HEAL: herta

[Herta]

and vote since he's definitely not town fmpov

From town meg's pov I'm exactly DA.

Yesterday I was just "not town."

[Herta]

and vote since he's definitely not town fmpov

From town meg's pov I'm exactly DA.

Yesterday I was just "not town."

Solar day, not game day.

[Herta]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

Idk.

I tossed coin.

Mega’s not looking like DA to me. Gth, NM/Enchant team + Herta DA?

~N

K

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

This is fine.

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

[Herta]

As long as Meg dies, we go to limlo tomorrow.

[Herta]

If I die and Meg is nobled, town wins. So I'm good either way.

[Herta]

Math + PBE have 4 votes, so really it's up to them who dies today.

The unconfirmed HNs of Eiralox and PBE are the big holes there.

@Herta explain this?

How can I have 2 votes if I’m not HN?

~N

Official Vote Count 4.00

Elimination

Not Voting

(8):

MathBlade

, Herta, Eiralox, Polar Bear Express, Not_Mafia, Enchant, MegAzumarill

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Not Voting

(7): MathBlade, Herta, Eiralox, Polar Bear Express, Not_Mafia, Enchant, MegAzumarill

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-26 17:52:30).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 8 players alive, 5 votes are required for elimination.
  
• Day 4 Begins!

Nancy, you may be able to see that you have two votes, but I can't. I actually believe your claim, that's why I said that you have two votes. But your claim is not confirmed objectively. I'm not going to pander to you to get a good read from you. It's up to you to think it through.

[Herta]

I still didn't receive answer from mod.

Let's go with elim+noble route.

HEAL: Meg
VOTE: Herta

Idk.

I tossed coin.

Mega’s not looking like DA to me. Gth, NM/Enchant team + Herta DA?

~N

K

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

This is fine.

HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Meg

Why don’t you heal Mega if you’re not DA? I really don’t understand what you’re doing?

~N

Hidden nobles: eiralox, enchant, PBE
Elected nobles: Mathblade (Tapio), Not_Mafia
Not nobled: Herta, Meg

Assuming hidden noble claims are true, DA is in Herta/Meg.

HEAL: Meg

WRT mafia, I don't know.
____________

Math, there are 7 alive, so 6 into night. The VC says 8 votes because you have 2 votes. So 7 into night, 6 alive tomorrow.

If mafia select DA tonight, DA leaves so 5 alive tomorrow, 3 town 2 maf, with dayvig town loses.

If mafia do not select DA tonight, 6 alive tomorrow, 3 town, 2 maf and 1 DA.

Is that correct?

I could prove myself as town if we elimmed Herta and Nobled me

Let's do this. Move your heal vote to yourself.

+1

Good point. If you’re not DA Mega, heal yourself. I recommend Herta do the same.

~N

That's fine as long as Meg is eliminated.

HEAL: herta

Okay. That's where I was before you told me to move.

HEAL: Meg

[Herta]

Your vote says otherwise?

~N

This is frustrating.

[Herta]

I'm anti-town for saying I believe your claim?

[Herta]

UNVOTE:

What happens if tie nobility vote.

[Herta]

I don't know why I unvoted.

VOTE: Meg[/meg]

[Herta]

lol

VOTE: Meg

[Herta]

I'm just going to repeat myself. Meh should be nobled. If that means me being limmed I'm good with that. The game will be over anyway. But if it is me nobled and Meg limmed, that's fine too although less preferable because I'm that case the game continues into elo.i mainly posted this to avoid a prod, but it does state my position. I think not mafia is one of the scumbos. That part where he refused to help us confirm the hidden nobles was a scum claim.

[Herta]

Day 1

Elimination: Porkens (vt)
Elected Noble: Not_Mafia
Hidden Noble: none

Day 2

Elimination: Freedom (vt)
Elected Noble: Elmo
Hidden Noble: Enchant (confirmed)

Day 3

Elimination: Elmo (vt)
Elected Noble: Mathblade (Tapiocaphobe)
Hidden Noble: Eiralox (unconfirmed)

Day 4

Hidden Noble: PBE (unconfirmed)

Players remaining: Mathblade, Herta, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia, Enchant, MegAzumarill

Enchant cannot be DA because of Day 2 confirmation. Not_Mafia, Elmo, Mathblade cannot be DA because they were elected nobles.

Not_Mafia claimed Hidden Noble on Days 3 & 4. No one else counter-claimed HN on those days. Not_Mafia has history of trolling, assumption is he's trolling here, but if he's town it sure would help if he'd come clean.

DA pool is Herta, Eiralox, PBE, MegAzurmarill. If you knock out the claimed Hidden Nobles (again N_M could help here), we're left with Herta and Meg as possible DAs.

so assuming Eiralox & PBE were/are truly Hidden Nobles, DA must be Herta or Meg.

Would mafia lie about being a Hidden Noble? Sure, but there's no authentic counterclaim to the unconfirmed claimed HNs (Eiralox & PBE), so, without N_M's help we have to go with a DA pool of Herta and Meg.

The longer N_M is quiet, the more we have to assume he's just scum. Because it's close to game throwing if he's town at this point.

I think this holds.

[Herta]

I'm kind of disappointed I don't really have much to do here.
Killing/Nobling between me and herta means finding mafia is kinda pointless for me today
Am wondering something

@MOD
Is the scum nightkill mandatory?

Gotta do stuff, I'll check back later

Because a win condition is reliant on being killed, all eliminations and night kills are mandatory.

Does this remain true after the player with that elimination is dead?

Yes

This exchange reminded me that a wincon for the DA is getting killed prior to being nobled. So I think it's in the interest of the DA to act scummy in order to get eliminated. That may be something that town wants to look out for. I'm still good with my position. I know that Meg is DA, and I want Meg nobled. And if that means I am the elimination so be it because we just win outright. But I'm also good with sharing the win with the DA if you want to noble me and eliminate Meg. That leads us to elo, and I think an elo here is more winnable than not.

[Herta]

I can't follow anything from Eiralox.

[Herta]

UNVOTE:

[Herta]

mod, if the DA dies without becoming a noble is the game over with a DA win, or does the game continue and the DA just leave with the win, or something else?

[Herta]

I want to make sure the game continues once the DA dies.

[Herta]

mod, if the DA dies without becoming a noble is the game over with a DA win, or does the game continue and the DA just leave with the win, or something else?

DA exits the game with a win. The game continues at that point.

Okay. Not my preference but that's fine. VOTE: meg

[Herta]

mod, if the DA dies without becoming a noble is the game over with a DA win, or does the game continue and the DA just leave with the win, or something else?

DA exits the game with a win. The game continues at that point.

Okay. Not my preference but that's fine. VOTE: meg

[Herta]

Heal someone nm

[Herta]

VOTE: herta

HEAL: meg

[Herta]

VOTE: meg

HEAL: herta

[Herta]

Explain to me please Herta why NM/Math are playing against wincon by wanting to heal you/lim Mega? And I think you’re trying to wifom me into reversing my heal/vote but that ain’t happening.

The analysis you quoted was wrong I think as I acknowledged here.

Yeah I had a brain block on my alignment analysis. Hidden Nobles can still be scum. I need to revisit that.

[Herta]

Gj Meg. Take the win.

[Herta]

Not yet.

[Herta]

There's still work to do Nancy. I am not the DA.

[Herta]

I really don't know. NM and someone are my best guesses. It's going to take some digging into.

[Herta]

Town please post your reads before thread lock.

[Herta]

It gets rid of the possibility of a dayvig, even if it gives meg the win, and it protects me from a night kill.

[Herta]

So Nancy why was there just 4 votes on Meg yesterday?

[Herta]

Official Vote Count 2.04

Elimination

Freedom

(6): JunkoChan, Herta,

Not_Mafia

, Passenger, Enchant

<--HAMMER

Not Voting

(6): Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Toto, JohnnyFarrar, Polar Bear Express, Freedom

BOLD

denotes double vote

Nobility

Elmo TeH AzN

(4): Toto, Freedom, JunkoChan, Polar Bear Express

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(6):Elmo TeH AzN, Tapiocaphobe, Herta, JohnnyFarrar, Passenger, Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-12-11 09:40:07).

Mod notes:

• The hidden noble's extra vote does not appear in the Vote Count.
  
• The elected noble counts as 2 players for the purpose of elimination requirements.
  
• With effectively 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination.
  
• Will be looking for a replacement for JohnnyFarrar.
  
• An elimination has been achieved.

Enchant's claim of hidden noble on Day 2 was true.

No one bothered to correct this misstatement.

[Herta]

So there were actually 5 votes on Meg but one doesn't show even though it counted.

On Day 2 there were 7 votes on Freedom but one doesn't show even though it counted.

So there's no way for Town to confirm Hidden Nobles.

[Herta]

UNVOTE:

Unable to count this unvote.

If hammer was with my vote why this?

[Herta]

I am hidden noble

bruh

This was Day 2 so wym you weren't HN?

[Herta]

I was HN on Day 2, not afterwards.

So in that 2.04 VC it shows Not Mafia's elected noble double vote at elimination, but it doesn't show your hidden noble double vote.

[Herta]

UNVOTE:

Unable to count this unvote.

If hammer was with my vote why this?

I don't understand

That unvote wouldn't count if the hammer was at my vote.

[Herta]

UNVOTE:

Unable to count this unvote.

If hammer was with my vote why this?

Disregard this. It took 5 votes, not 4. So Meg was hammer. That was bothering me all through the night.

So the team is Math & N_M like I had it before.

[Herta]

Enchant cannot be scum because he is confirmed Day 2 Hidden Noble.

Leaves pool of {Mathblade, Herta, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia, MegAzumarill}

Herta is out of course.

Meg is DA.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Eiralox, PBE, Not_Mafia}

Eiralox & PBE are unconfirmed but claimed Hidden Nobles. There's no authentic counterlcaim (N_M help please) to either. So I have to assume they're true claiming. Therefore they cannot be scum.

Pool is now {Mathblade, Not_Mafia}

From my perspective, assuming the true claims, that's the exact team.

Eiralox and PBE are now confirmed, so this is correct.

[Herta]

problem

Hence this.

[Herta]

From Enchant's POV, PBE is out because confirmed HN, so must be {Herta, Math, N_M}

From PBE's POV, Enchant is out because confirmed HN, so must be {Herta, Math, N_M}

I'm the one that has it easy, because I'm the only town that can mechanically deduce the scum team.

[Herta]

Yeah that's where it falls apart isn't it. I forgot about that. That's why I was going to revisit it to begin with.

[Herta]

I'm going with that anyway. PBE and Enchant have been nothing but town. Math has been the most timid I've ever seen him. N_M scumclaimed by not helping confirm the HNs. That's that.

[Herta]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Herta]

lol I played so poorly.

gg