New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Shirou]

I'm skeptical scum!Shea replaces out like that

It's the unique thing bugging me but MariaR was to scummy for me to not push it

[fireisredsir]

shirou do you think that maria's replace in here feels significantly different from how she replaced in here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=90102&user_select%5B%5D=28247

imo in that one it also felt like she had a kind of weirdly inconsistent combination of levels of gamestate knowledge + confidence

Checking the first posts I don't see how she did a blatant lie like here, confidence isn't that usual from MariaR from what little I remember, but what is inconsistent about her knowledge there, I am not reading an entire day there to understand. Explain what I am looking at/for yeah?

to me it's the combination of gamestate reads and quick takes on dayplay reads that feel conflicting and don't make sense together, and stating opinions on slots that later she has said she hasn't read (which iirc she did with dwlee)

ill wait for her to respond about the voting thing but i see a plausible explanation and i don't really think it's a blatant lie

[GuiltyLion]

I'm skeptical scum!Shea replaces out like that

why

I think both:

a) he's more likely to be offended at being called a wimp and the "toxic bullshit" if he's town

b) in the Shea scum world, VPB is

correct

in his push on Shea, and Shea is effectively replacing out in response to being accurately pressured (even if the reasoning is insulting). Which is kind of a shitty move to bail on a game and your teammates just cause you don't like how a townie is pushing you. VPB was definitely being a bit insulting but I don't think he was being wildly out of bounds of a mafia game, and I think scum in Shea's position who is genuinely bothered by VPB would be more likely to just take a break and not play for a bit rather than leave entirely, because deep down they know they are being sussed accurately. idk, as scum when I'm caught for things, even if I think they're stupid or insulting, ultimately deep down I know it's a function of townies picking up on bad vibes or subconscious tells in my behavior, and I would feel conflicted about being so upset about that that I leave a game. whereas town in Shea's spot is probably just not having fun and thus more inclined to just peace out

[GuiltyLion]

Anyway i’ll vote Maria depending on VC, what is it currently?

when did you start scumreading Shea/MariaR

[Enchant]

I dislike "If you are scum and being insulted, you supposed to suck it up as it's true" attitude as it's doesh't work in practice.

[fireisredsir]

i think replace outs are hard to predict the exact motivations behind and i don't think it's generally a good idea to base a read on them

for example scum shea could have known that he would 100% replace out in that situation as town and so felt like he needed to in order to avoid any sort of trust tell type situation

he also could just actually have the same response as either alignment

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i’ll vote Maria depending on VC, what is it currently?

when did you start scumreading Shea/MariaR

When Shirou posted their reasoning for scumreading Maria which i thought was valid, and i also said i would vote with Shirou if i agreed with their case, and they are my townread so i’m going to consider what they say.
I feel like this should be logical to you so why even ask?

[GuiltyLion]

idk, VPB's final accusations that seemed to set him off were being a 'wimp' and scumsiding and talking nonsense, and I don't really think any of that is gonna register so insulting if you're scum

you all don't have to agree with it but just feels more likely to be coming from town there

[GuiltyLion]

Anyway i’ll vote Maria depending on VC, what is it currently?

when did you start scumreading Shea/MariaR

When Shirou posted their reasoning for scumreading Maria which i thought was valid, and i also said i would vote with Shirou if i agreed with their case, and they are my townread so i’m going to consider what they say.
I feel like this should be logical to you so why even ask?

this is such obvious scum lmfao

there's no point to posting this other than to shade and discredit me. YOU KNOW MY ALIGNMENT

[NorwegianboyEE]

And you’re so obviously tunneled it’s actually funny.

[GuiltyLion]

edit: to be clear, talking about Norwee's "why even ask" question, not his answer to my question

[GuiltyLion]

And you’re so obviously tunneled it’s actually funny.

why? you've never seen anyone be wrong or in a tunnel as town before? why is that funny?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like you’re asking basic questions that should be obvious to you if you weren’t wearing so much tinfoil. Basically seeing "scum motivation" in the least alignment indicative things ever. So i’m commenting your bias.

[GuiltyLion]

it's not a basic question

you've given no read on TSQ/MariaR prior to that

so I'm asking you to explain, in your own words, why you are willing to vote the slot, so I can evaluate your reasoning for myself. that's like... extremely normal and common mafia play. you are only trying to discredit me, you have no other point to any of your rudeness to me

[GuiltyLion]

wearing so much tinfoil

sick discredit here bro

[GuiltyLion]

Basically seeing "scum motivation" in the least alignment indicative things ever. So i’m commenting your bias.

this is also telling on yourself because I didn't say anything about scum motivation, I just asked you a question, and you got defensive

[NorwegianboyEE]

it's not a basic question

you've given no read on TSQ/MariaR prior to that

so I'm asking you to explain, in your own words, why you are willing to vote the slot, so I can evaluate your reasoning for myself. that's like... extremely normal and common mafia play. you are only trying to discredit me, you have no other point to any of your rudeness to me

Ok, it’s the discrepancies that Shirou pointed out in their post.
I scumread Maria but i do not agree with the reasonings for Maria/Aristeia team. So i vote Maria because Shirou made good points about the discrepancies they pointed out.
Where was this not clear about any of my previous posts? This is not new information.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or to be clear, i will vote Maria if i get VC. Cus idk what it is.

[GuiltyLion]

I scumread Maria

this is the new information, because you said nothing about this until after Shirou posted his case

if it's 100% sheeping Shirou, I need you to be explicitly clear about that. You had no prior suspicion of MariaR and it is only Shirou's case that has caused you to suspect her. These things are not currently obvious from what (little) is in your ISO by way of reads or thoughts

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok when i look back, i could have made it a bit more clear about Maria. Basically i read Shirou’s case and thought the points were really good so i am willing to sheep Shirou, if i didn’t agree with the points i would not have sheeped Shirou. It is their reasoning that has led me to believe that it is a good lead.
But contrarywise, i am not sure i agree with the points on Aristeia and Maria being partnered. This is all very clear in my head but not on writing so i apologize if i sometimes think i have made myself much more clear in writing than i have in reality.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also this might be some remaining trauma from Mastina’s push. I know i’m being a bit of a dick. Apologies. I’ll try to be more cool-headed from this post onward.

[Datisi]

.

[Datisi]

.

[Datisi]

.

[Datisi]

.