i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[MathBlade]

I scratch that. Scum!Elements would know the vend was meant to me and not claim it if bus driver. So mech back to null.

Why are you so eager to immediately vote people?

You hopped on McMenno while there’s outstanding questions.

You go “Elements is immediately scum”

It’s why I don’t like this McMenno wagon

It has the same spirit of “OMG do something” instead of thinking.

[MathBlade]

Like let’s assume you’re true claiming here Titus and you suspected Ranger

Then you can easily just nuke her from orbit.

I don’t see why the entire argument is necessary.

There’s a lot that doesn’t add up

[MathBlade]

Let’s just give things like 24 hours and see what shakes.

[Gimli]

Ranger, I can't believe town!you doesn't get what I am throwing down.

If you mean implying you're masons with imaginality, then I saw, since you've been rather explicit.

It'd be impossible to have missed.

Quite simply, there's no role you could claim which I'd believe. Which is also why I've no qualms outing this. I won't accept any roleclaim of imaginality being conftown here, least of all from you.

If imaginality is town by play then he can be town, but by role he most

certainly

is not.

why is ranger saying imaginality cannot be town by role?

[Enchant]

Do huzzy known for lying to players

[Gimli]

I know this is a dumb question so this is actually bastard, okay

[Gimli]

and so they're not masons cause they don't get each other's roles and whatnot, but titus was told she is in a hood with town

[Gimli]

and she CRUMBLED (the word crumbled was used) by throwing full baguettes on the floor since her first post

[Elements]

The bit about me not wanting an apple Macbook was just me playing into your softing so I could soft having been given meat without it being overtly obvious. Feel free to send fruit my way

[Gimli]

I think it's pretty clear I'm claiming mason. To argue I am not is asinine and desperate.

That answers half; you are claiming mason explicitly.

I don't believe you're really a mason.

I believe you have a role tied to imaginality, and that role is a role that you feel is at least akin to a mason.

But I don't believe you're a

mason

mason. I don't believe your actual

role

is mason. I don't believe imaginality is confirmed town to you, and vice-versa.

If you say that's unreasonable, my counterargument is explicitly my familiarity with you, Titus. I know how you think and how you treat roles that aren't masons, as if they were masons. I believe you have a role like that. There are dozens of roles which could fit, which in your mind you would call masons, in spite of them not actually being masons. (For instance, a somewhat common example is a two-person role, with two players required for the power role.)

Any role which you have that would have you call imaginality a mason while he is not

literally

confirmed town to you, is a role I would believe you would have. You claiming mason while holding a role like that wouldn't be a fakeclaim in your eyes, and you'd have no fear of locking it in because it's not a lie.

You're certainly no mason though. And don't pretend you are; don't pretend I'm wrong. I'm right, you

know

I'm right, and I'm not letting you protect a scum player off of a role you earnestly believe makes them town which doesn't

actually

make them town.

first of all, ranger is town. second of all, I still don't know if titus is actually claiming masons or not, since she claimed something that equals masons.

[Titus]

Like let’s assume you’re true claiming here Titus and you suspected Ranger

Then you can easily just nuke her from orbit.

I don’t see why the entire argument is necessary.

There’s a lot that doesn’t add up

Not if we don't live until night 4

[MathBlade]

Like let’s assume you’re true claiming here Titus and you suspected Ranger

Then you can easily just nuke her from orbit.

I don’t see why the entire argument is necessary.

There’s a lot that doesn’t add up

Not if we don't live until night 4

But then that doesn’t make sense with claiming masons.

Like ??

Mechanically things have a way of fitting nicely

But socially things don’t so let’s all apply a chill pill

[KittyTacky]

I disagree in this instance. They'd want someone unquestionably town to claim the vend. Plus KittyTacky said the vend was weak, which would confirm Elements as town. Therefore, you'd need to look elsewhere for scum on the McMenno wagon.

Oh weak role I think that means in terms of power not role?

@Kitty do you mean the weak modifier? Or just that it’s low power?

I meant literally weak. As in my role is shit. If I was Weak (as in the modifier) I'd have included that in my fullclaim. Sorry for the confusion.

[KittyTacky]

I feel a true, town fruit vendor would have eyeballed your crumbs and been very suspicious.

Also, Math is mostly correct. KittyTacky claim did not come in Kitty's next post but it is plausible for a catch up.

I would rather sort things out.

This is a bastard game and mechanics failing redirection and things I would expect.

I also would expect mod errors or complexity.

We can talk things out slowly and patiently.

No mod error. I checked. I got no meat.

Then unless Ranger's theory is correct and you're SKs with imaginality then there was a redirector. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pretty clear this confirms weak.

No it doesn't?

[KittyTacky]

I wouldn't have scumread you on mech if I was Weak.

[MathBlade]

I am beginning to doubt my Titus read. Someone sell me she is town or scum.

[Elements]

Do bus drivers work on ascetic modified players? Coz that could disprove ascetic sk Titus

[MathBlade]

Do bus drivers work on ascetic modified players? Coz that could disprove ascetic sk Titus

They shouldn’t as ascetic = immune to all but kills

But this is a bastard game so *shrug*?

[Elements]

I targeted imaginify last night, I want to know what they think happened

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I suppose it's time for me to full claim.

I am
1) a neighbor with imaginality
2) I know imaginality to be town
3) I am a night 4 suicide bomber
4) imaginality is a night five rolecop

So your role name has the word `neighbor` in it, but the mod said you know each other to be town, is that right?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

New reads: I think KittyTacky, UltimateGamer (Ythan), and Gimli (Vaxkiller) are town. Kitten around is scum.

[Gimli]

how am I such an easy townread, I feel like a potato

[Gimli]

oh I just gained the 'mafia scum' undertitle
part of the crowd yo

[Gimli]

I don’t really have good reasons to call imaginify town but I don’t think the reasons for the votes on him are that good either. Lazy/weak play is rather unimpressive as a reason since it feels like they just got off to a bad start that got capitalized on.
Aside from that a main focus is pushing a 1v1 of me vs. Frogsterking. I don’t really have an issue here except with you buying into that while having me all the way down in your reads. I don’t think you should be calling that a problem except if you think either a) me and Frog are both town or b) I would feel bold enough to go toe-to-toe with Frog as scum here and feel like I could come out relatively unscathed. Clearly you don’t believe a), so what about my play so far suggests b) to be true?
Lastly, the “disingenuous paragraph” may overgeneralize the votes but it captures a lot of what I feel like is wrong with the imaginify wagon. And I think the writing feels towny given how imprecise it is: scum would try to ensure clarity in that paragraph imo.

I guess the one thing that does stick out to me is the use of “noncommittal” as a thing people are calling their okay when that was used to refer to furtive iirc

I think this is a thought out post with multiple layers and multiple pings of towny mindset so I'm putting ms gamma in the town basket as well

[Gimli]

I also think titus isn't wolfing with a group, she is either some sort of neutroll SKer or just town. I'm sheeping ranger's read that titus doesn't overplay her mason hand that way if she is group scum.

there are problems with the claim, I think. and I find it odd that whatever was sent to her was redirected, as in there are mechanics with this neighborhood that could be sketchy in terms of the alignments of people inside of it. but that's like me with a bad mech take, so give it no thought.