Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!

[Gimli]

hellooo

[Gimli]

Gimli replaces BurgerParty.

welcome gimli! u have 1 minute and 23 seconds to respond with a 5 page essay on why you are town.

ready? ok set go.

good news is I am indeed town. can you feel it? you can feel it

[Gimli]

I'm gonna do a lazy catch up and point out stupid things

Don't worry Doctor, I'll help you find those rival spies!
VOTE: Tabibitos

I'm townreading this, am I allowed to?

[Gimli]

VOTE: Abnegation clumsy posting trying not to talk about the game alignments wise

[Gimli]

I guess Abnegation feels like scum. No reason, just a feeling.

I'll townread you for feeling similar feels

[Gimli]

I guess Abnegation feels like scum. No reason, just a feeling.

i see this fwiw

oh my

[Gimli]

I can stop posting like an idiot if you guys prefer

[Gimli]

wallpost

oh god this is complicated and i need to go think about it.

if i like this plan, i will bet the game on town!tabibitos.

I get why you'd think that but I don't like that you're thinking that, it seems fake scum reasoning to townread people (when you didn't even read the plan yet)

I didn't read the plan either I'm lazy

[Gimli]

I think vanderscamp is town as well and agree w/ some of grandpa's posts pinging as scum indicative

[Gimli]

I read the setup strategy posts differently between GrandpaMo and Aether. Aether wrote their big analysis when they weren't really under pressure and they were also the first to do so. Being the first to write a big mech post is more of a risk socially because not everyone is going to want to read that, so I think that's less likely to come from Aether if they're townie. GrandpaMo though wrote their big analysis after they knew Aether was townread for doing so. GrandpaMo also wrote their big analysis while they knew they were already being suspected by a few players--like me--so it feels more like an attempt to fish for townreads.

I can smell the townie fragrance coming out of this

[Gimli]

Think I read enough for today.

I have scoliosis, and then vanderscamp and to a lesser extent elements as more likely to be town

and I think freedom looks as clumsy and scummy as abnegation did before, so I'm happy with where my vote is

[Gimli]

is someone around to tell me why isn't the nurse just an IC and why shouldn't we out them on d1

[Gimli]

because since we have stupid doctors that can end up killing town, we have a worst case scenario of game ending on d2 - in which case we might get nurse counterclaims and stuff like that.

[Gimli]

so this is a 9er with an IC instead of a cop

[Gimli]

plan: get the nurse out on d1. if counterclaimed, resolve the claim. don't use any NAs. play it out.

[Gimli]

if we misuse our NAs horribly enough they can reach parity on d2:

elim
weak dies
quack kills
cpr kills
mafia kill

and d2 will be 2vs2. so whatever NAs, we have to set them up and everyone needs to agree with it (I'm too dumb to figure out how to properly use them) or it's best to agree to not use them, at least not on n1.

[Gimli]

This is most likely to happen if we circular target I think.
Hence the 2 groups idea that's been going around. That way we have max 3 dead town tomorrow

can you explain that to me in a few words?

[Gimli]

Ahh i'm sorry but i'm really not good at mech-talk. I'm gonna ask Aether to explain to me this plan in a way i understand later so i can keep up LOL.

- Lumine

ask aether to post the dumbed down version in thread cause the first one was too complicated and wordy

[Gimli]

can you explain that to me in a few words?

This is most likely to happen if we circular target I think.

the only way to have 4 night kills is if CPR, Quack, Weak, Mafia all target different people and weak hits mafia. The easiest way for this to happen is if we target in a circle. Then Quack and CPR will 100% kill their targets + mafia kill makes 3. Then all we need is for weak to be next to a mafia.
Circular targeting almost always results in 2 kills. The only way it doesn't is if the mafia doing the kill gets jailed.

Hence the 2 groups idea that's been going around. That way we have max 3 dead town tomorrow

With two groups, only two players will be targeted.
The only way to get 3 town killed is if both targets die + mafia kill.
The jailer will guarantee one of the targets lives so there can only be 2 town deaths.
The only way for there to be 3 deaths is if the weak doctor dies and the non-jailed target dies. In this case the non-jailed target is scum and also dies.

Does that make sense?

brilliant. I'm down.

[Gimli]

if nurse dies then they convert to the doc that died

i meant to say if that doc dies then that nurse will become that doc's power

yeah I got it, thanks

[Gimli]

just put enchant with group 1 -- there u go, u will always have atleast ONE TOWN on nurse at all times. i think this is solid so in conclusion

group 1 - a, b, c -- target nurse
group 2 - d, e -- target each other
group 3 - f, g -- target each other
group 4 - nurse -- target no one

The town on the nurse does have a 1 in 4 chance of just killing them.
And we also don't get much info of the Nurse's ability[/quote]

oh fu**** i forgot about nurse posseing power of dead doc.

i was just assuming doctor dead at night type stuff damn ok that changes stuff.

that makes me think that nurse shouldn't just out then.

that means two groups of 4 is just better then.

group 1 - a, b, c, d -- target e
group 2 - e, f, g, h -- target a

regardless of what nurse is. that makes sense[/quote]

I think outing and protecting the nurse wins us the game a large % of the time once the nurse inherits a dead doc ability.

[Gimli]

oh jesus this is horrible, I'm sorry for last post. only the last paragraph is mine.

[Gimli]

if we can protect the nurse, it's even more important for it to be outed d1, as the inherited ability will be the only confirmed ability and increases our n2 impact immensely. not outing the nurse can get it killed at night.

[Gimli]

also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.

[Gimli]

also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.

When we decide our co-ordination we can put in the caveat:
If the nurse is outed, the other group targets her instead.

e.g.
Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> A

c is outed as nurse

Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> c

okay, that works. I didn't realise we wouldn't get a full flip. in my defence, I'm an idiot.

[Gimli]

I think you're scumclaiming

[Gimli]

IDK.
Aren't we all told that we're just Doctor?

I disagree with this.
I think that they're most likely to claim Doctor, knowing that they can't be CCed.

how do you go from knowing we're all 'just doctor' to saying claiming doctor won't get CCed?

[Gimli]

but that's not a claim that affects town's decision to eliminate.

anyway.

[Gimli]

yes, I'm dumb, it's been a while.

[Gimli]

VOTE: galron

[Gimli]

do we conftown elements

[Gimli]

I don't deserve to be in the same town as elements

[Gimli]

I don't deserve to be in the same town as elements

nah, I just did some maths
you totally deserve to be here <3

cute <3

so, who are we limming?

[Gimli]

what do you think of galron, grandpa?

[Gimli]

what do you think of galron, grandpa?

are u reading my mind lmaooo

i was just gonna ask u that because i had them on my bottom three of my readlist

towards a null. i first thought they voted abnegation because of their slip i saw but they did it for rvs then abnegation was going back and forth with them?

they have not contributed at all nd like i told enchant (well implied it to them) if they aint scum, then galron is my next on my list.

after that interaction i had with enchant, it made me like them a lot more and so went above galron in my readlist poe

so now i just have galron and freedom as my bottom two.

yeah, one of galron's 8 posts is voting shirou (who slipped their main acc into the thread playing under a hydra), in a way that felt like just trying to post some content and look like scumhunting. then unvoting and not moving anywhere else shows lack of intent, which I don't like

[Gimli]

yeah that freedom defense pinged me as well

[Gimli]

I mean of course he didn't realise shirou was in the hydra since he voted shirou.

[Gimli]

@grandpa: I'm actually not an alt, I haven't played in two years and don't know anyone

wrt abnegation's post, I agree with the logic behind it and I've been advocating for outing the nurse as IC in d1 as well (my idea being turning the game into a 9er with an IC and not use any NAs). But, does that affect your read on freedom?

[Gimli]

this is a compliment because u play rlly good especially considering u haven tplayed in two years.

also welcome back -- this is also my return as well from like a year to 2

thanks! I feel a lot of my posting has been pure ass though

are we sure that performing NAs the way we're suggesting now (focusing on 2 players) is better than going no NAs? are we sure the nurse is more useful for us hidden than outed on d1?

for instance: we might end up playing a 6er tomorrow with two living mafia and concurring nurse claims, right? isn't it better if we avoid the possibility?

[Gimli]

I don't feel this elim right now.

[Gimli]

that abnegation post you mentioned looks townier the more I think about it.

freedom isn't trying to sway votes which can be the way he plays but feels like town

[Gimli]

hi scoliosis!

wrt your three questions: no I didn't play anywhere else since my last game here (it was bad and I felt bad about playing mafia again). my reasons for thinking it might be scum indicative for galron to be voting/unvoting shirou, as I tried explaining already, are because it doesn't feel like a real attempt at scumhunting. Have I seen scum specifically voting a main acc that slipped into a thread? No, I don't remember this specific scenario ever happening before and am not basing the scumread in past games I played.

Why am I townreading vanderskamp? I'm not sure that I am anymore, but I liked how he pushed grandpa and that's why I had him as town. My top townread is elements, and then you're a close second. I like that you're questioning me as well and the way you're doing it.

[Gimli]

vander's ISO doesn't give me much of a reason to townread it. I might have more reason to townread freedom's deadpan reaction to being potentially bandwagoned and whatnot, than whatever it is that I saw yesterday from vand

[Gimli]

I agree with the timing of vander's votes being scummy, especially the last one.

[Gimli]

a stupid read from before I went to bed is that, the way people are pushing and interacting with freedom diminishes potential scum mate combinations. other than with galron, I think.

[Gimli]

are we sure that performing NAs the way we're suggesting now (focusing on 2 players) is better than going no NAs? are we sure the nurse is more useful for us hidden than outed on d1?

for instance: we might end up playing a 6er tomorrow with two living mafia and concurring nurse claims, right? isn't it better if we avoid the possibility?

can I have more input on this? Scoliosis, you still around?

no early birds in this game. too bad.

[Gimli]

it was actually your post about Freedom ('s slot's) post 92(?) that made me think "yeah this post makes no sense and I actively dislike it" and I don't have any other stronger scum reads.

the 'if I like this plan I'll bet the game on the hydra being town' line, yeah. IDK. maybe flipping freedom is as good as it's gonna get as far as D1 goes.

I like your string of posts now, but I'd like it even more if it didn't come right after getting some heat.

[Gimli]

looks solid

[Gimli]

grandpa, have you played with vander before? is this confidence based off meta?

[Gimli]

I think d1 has been fantastic so far, to be very quite fucking honest

[Gimli]

Why are the groups targeting scum reads when we're more likely to protect than kill?

I didn't think it was odd, because that's the only way we can block a NK, while openly choosing a protection won't actually protect anything other than making sure i.e. both you and grandpa are (hopefully) alive tomorrow.

[Gimli]

Is anyone opposed to this?
If we end up liking someone other than freedom just replace their name with freedom's in the groupings

yes I prefer potentially jailkeeping scum + potentially killing scum. isn't it better if we all target them?

[Gimli]

why are we targeting townreads? does that actually make sense, elements? I don't think it does. explain to me if I'm wrong.

[Gimli]

yeah I disagree with your plan and I want to target scumreads. if we get scum eliminated d1, JKing the other wins the game. if we don't, protecting townreads might actually get one, if not two townies killed. killing 9/35 works both ways and I rather have it flipped inside our POE and not the other way around. protecting both of you will get another player from the towncore killed at night. I'm apparently as much of a townread for many players as both of you, for instance.

[Gimli]

1 - coordinating night actions still matters
2 - that wasn't my only point

[Gimli]

okay. I still don't like it, but if everyone is fine with it, sure.

@freedom you're agreeing with mech talk but you're not bringing up at all that we're assuming you flip today? you're not defending yourself?

[Gimli]

I'm ready to flip freedom. I'll take the plan of targeting scumreads If It flips red, and townreads If It flips town, since you guys like this plano.

[Gimli]

I am gonna probably be around to effort his weekend

I don't like the current "plan"? It's basically my old plan and we found flaws on it right? Why are we doing it anyway if even elements math said it wasn't too good?

Did your plan protect conftown? Not really, right?

I think targeting townreads is worse than going no NAs. If we lim the JKer, or the doctor, our NAs have a 50% chance of killing our townreads (cpr and quack targeting opposing groups).

The plan is bad, I think.

[Gimli]

I am gonna probably be around to effort his weekend

I don't like the current "plan"? It's basically my old plan and we found flaws on it right? Why are we doing it anyway if even elements math said it wasn't too good?

Did your plan protect conftown? Not really, right?

I think targeting townreads is worse than going no NAs. If we lim the JKer, or the doctor, our NAs have a 50% chance of killing our townreads (cpr and quack targeting opposing groups).

The plan is bad, I think.

We should be targeting scumreads regardless of the Flip.

Sorry im phoneposting

[Gimli]

Alright. That makes sense.

So we're just waiting on tabibitos.

[Gimli]

Whatever we flip today, the best case scenario with the 2 group is 3 town deaths because that gives us a 50/50 on scum

[Gimli]

Awesome idea. What if we just don't?

would you rather not use any NAs, or use them on scumreads?

[Gimli]

I prefer that too, enchant, but I couldn't convince anyone else of that. wanna give it a try?

[Gimli]

Can someone tell me what targeting scum reads achieves?

might kill'em - a 25% vig is much better on potential scum than on likely town.
might kill one of us in a way that makes them resolvable on d2 cause of weak

the best reason to do your plan is to make sure you have a 80 something percent chance of staying alive for d2. if you say you grasp the game to a level where you alive on d2 ruins everything for scum, then I can do it the way you prefer np.

but also... do you think you just prefer your plan because it keeps you alive?

[Gimli]

not that I don't prefer your company as well, elements.

[Gimli]

Scum is in freedom/galron/tabibitos, I think.

[Gimli]

Maybe Vander but I think scoliosis has been very towny.

The Hydra has two heads but neither is scumhunting

[Gimli]

I can assure you that we are, we just haven't shared anything in thread yet.

- Lumine

I don't care what you did in places I can't read, lumine.

[Gimli]

where's tabibitos so we can kill freedom and get done with this day

[Gimli]

and I'm sorry freedom I hope you're scum and I'll try to win this game for you if you're town <3

[Gimli]

I'll feel bad if he is town

[Gimli]

Happy birthday elements too bad youre sick get well soon

[Gimli]

okay that's enough for d1, right guys?

let's elect a plan already and eliminate someone and move on with our lives.

[Gimli]

VOTE: freedom

elements, tell us what to do on n1.

[Gimli]

I've a

keyboard

on my hands.

I'm

unleashed

.

delivers nothing

[Gimli]

I'm so sorry you spent so long scum casing me

But if people think I'm scummy does that mean you're will to have me as a target if we go for the two groups approach?...

lol

are you feeling better, elements?

[Gimli]

oh no

let's end the gameday. you ok with flipping freedom? tell us what to do at night.

[Gimli]

why are you so eager to end the day?

because I'm a wolf

or

because the game has become stale, tabibitos' posts didn't go anywhere and I'm afraid you'll get sicker and unable to contribute in the following days.

[Gimli]

if you wanna drag the day I'm fine with that as well

[Gimli]

I'm comfortable taking a 1/8 chance to die. Seeing as Enchant and Tabibitos both scum me and Enchant wants to target me anyway \_('.')_/
So if Grandma is happy being targeted I say let's go with these.
I've tried to get the groups so there is as small a possible chance for either to have 2 scum in.

group a - scoloisis, elements, galron, gimli
group b - vander, enchant, tabibitos, grandma

group a targets grandpa
group b targets elements

that's the plan, people

[Gimli]

see thats the problem i have tabibitos now. they never finished their strategy and never suggested anything

You guys didn't even discuss what I posted on reads just now.

It's fine but like, do you want me to keep posting so much even if no one cares? C'mon Grandpa, if no one cares I'm just gonna shut up. Let's do what you guys already want to do, I'm tired and don't want to try convincing everyone on something new again.

- Aether

you posted a scum case on elements. out of all the things this is the one kind of argument I'm unwilling to even consider. if elements is scum I'll lose this and every mafia game to her, and that's fine by me.

[Gimli]

I wanna lose to elements if she is mafia, sorry if that's too little WIM for you guys

[Gimli]

sure lets do this

[Gimli]

no, we do what elements and grandpa suggested

[Gimli]

I want a flip and we shouldn't go over plans again, it's just dragging the day for too long. I trust the work elements did in the game and it's the plan that's being thrown around the most. I don't really trust tabibitos anyway, and its too late to out the nurse

[Gimli]

I want a flip and we shouldn't go over plans again, it's just dragging the day for too long. I trust the work elements did in the game and it's the plan that's being thrown around the most. I don't really trust tabibitos anyway, and its too late to out the nurse

Do you realize "Elem's plan" is basically my plan without outing the Nurse and the second group also protecting a town read?

I just wanted to say that. Now bye.

- Aether

bye

[Gimli]

VOTE: Vander

VOTE: vander whatever you prefer, captain

[Gimli]

I think that's vander going l-1

[Gimli]

hammer it is

grandpa you're lovely
elements you too

love being part of this game with you guys <3

[Gimli]

vander died he was the nurse

[Gimli]

I hardclaim nurse

[Gimli]

I hardclaim nurse

I literally CC that.

I literally CC your CC

[Gimli]

[Gimli]

stop nurse hunting lol

[Gimli]

your avatar suits you well grandpa

[Gimli]

ISO'd vander. fine with this kill.

[Gimli]

different heads similar minds yo

[Gimli]

lol @ our plan

[Gimli]

grandpa who are we killing

[Gimli]

we killed elements instead of killing a scumread

but this wasn't my plan!

[Gimli]

VOTE: freedom/galron

[Gimli]

group a - scoloisis, elements, galron, gimli
group b -freedom, enchant, tabibitos, grandpa

group a targets grandpa
group b targets elements

[Gimli]

group a contains the JKer (or vander was the JKer)
group b contains quack

does that help at all? no it doesn't. gg plan

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

[Gimli]

Because there's a few possible scenarios here why you want me to unvote Galron but not Gimli to unvote me.

1. You TR Galron
   
2. You SR me
   
3. You're scum with Garlon
   
4. You're scum with Gimli
   
5. Occam's Razor: You see that I know it's MELO but voted Galron, who I scumlean, but you don't

let's flip this today, okay?

[Gimli]

lol @ our plan

this plan is actually good.

also scum is outted fwiw

scum is outed, where?

plan had two town dead. not using any NAs would get us to play more gamedays. plan bad.

[Gimli]

we flip today and have our quack doctor candidates hunting a SR at night. that looks solid. that way we go into next day with either a game over town win, or a 3 handed to figure shit out.

[Gimli]

if neither freedom nor galron is scum I'll gladly lose the game as well so it is what it is

[Gimli]

I didn't really want to eliminate vander, you know, but I wanted the gameday to be over and that's what elements preferred. I do think we had a very strong POE on d1, but now two of our most towny looking ones are dead, so our odds are slimmer. but we still got this, I think.

I think we only lose if scoliosis is the last wolf. I don't think it can be you. and I don't think freedom ever flips green, tbh.

[Gimli]

freedom is just scum, yeah

[Gimli]

yeah. quack candidates go to galron and non-quacks don't do NA. that's the plan.

quacks are you and enchant, iirc? so you two go galron

[Gimli]

I'll think this over, if it's possible that tabibitos died for some other reason

[Gimli]

let's kill freedom before the slot gets replaced again tbh

[Gimli]

we don't even have enough people to achieve a majority lmao

[Gimli]

VOTE: freedom

[Gimli]

I'm ready captain

[Gimli]

oh no its fenrir

[Gimli]

do you miss our PT

[Gimli]

considering the activity in this game after elements and tabibitos are dead, it will be

but I wanna kill your slot cause it's been nothing but scum so far

[Gimli]

d1 mechtalk was hell

[Gimli]

in my defense I tried to make it simply a 9er with a claimable nurse instead of all of that convoluted stuff that ended in extra dead town, but I wasn't heard

[Gimli]

meaning no one would use their NAs cause we're all unreliable doctors

[Gimli]

plan: get the nurse out on d1. if counterclaimed, resolve the claim. don't use any NAs. play it out.

RIP easy game

and yeah, grandpa, it was all tabibitos and elements fault. they're dead so they can't reply back, let's blame them for this

[Gimli]

I like that STD is here cause I like STD but it's totally a scum slot and I feel better about flipping him than flipping galron

tho I can also maybe flip galron

[Gimli]

lmao

like, I think as much as I could maybe leave space for paranoia, the remaining players are all dead weight and I'm townreading both you and enchant, and then scoliosis even though they disappeared, and that was my solve on d1 as well so I'm still hanging on the same reads

and yes we've been mindmelding on many places to the point where if you're scum I'll just let you have it cause you deserve it and that's it

[Gimli]

STD self hammering to keep mafiascum a sane place would be fantastic

[Gimli]

thats fine
we flip galron and kill STD
does that work?

[Gimli]

I think I'd be paired with scoliosis and power wolfing this game to the ground

[Gimli]

voting and then fucking unvoting shirou who isn't even a real player is enough to kill it (in a 8 post ISO)

[Gimli]

skimmed through scoliosis and it's still town

[Gimli]

skimmed through scoliosis and it's still town

what the heck how do you get that conclusion

he is town and limming him is your shot at winning this game so I'm not gonna let that happen today. there's only 4 active players. are you willing to eliminate galron?

[Gimli]

VOTE: galron

[Gimli]

gimli just feels like he has TMI but i dunno if that's true or not, that's the basis of my slight scum read on him

and enchant and grandpa target this man tonight

[Gimli]

I'm 100% sure STD is scum fwiw

[Gimli]

your predecessors were horrible

I'm sorry about dance game. I was high and I thought ydra was throwing, you disappeared and I thought it'd be cute if I threw/binked the game

it was horrible and hormonal of me to throw the game

this is much different

[Gimli]

you have no idea how bad I feel for losing that
sigh

anyway

[Gimli]

VOTE: galron

You didn't learn do you

you're committing to STD? like you wouldn't vote off galron instead?

[Gimli]

he is scum. not because of his play alone, but he is also scummy like the rest of the people who shared his slot. the read on scoliosis feels like just trying to wave the game in that direction, since we're going to eliminate both him and his pair otherwise

[Gimli]

I'm just a little sad half the game isn't even here

[Gimli]

I think we should give this a couple of days, then. It doesn't matter that I think we have a solve, let's let people play. Maybe some replace ins can give this game some vibes, could be fun

[Gimli]

i am sad i am most competent player here

That is a tragedy yes

[Gimli]

dead PT is where all the reason went when they killed off elements

[Gimli]

I live! It felt good to be back until I read the flips. Catching up now.

hey there stranger, have fun catching up

[Gimli]

lmao okay

[Gimli]

I wonder if scoliosis is writing a treatise

[Gimli]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Gimli]

I wonder if scoliosis is writing a treatise

i hope scolosis is still tryna "contribute" lol

dead game is dead yo

[Gimli]

if people is literally std/scoliosis/galron

we can still hit one of the other two at night when one flips, get a kill and then play 3 way with the other scum

does that work

like

assuming me/grandpa/enchant are always town, do we have autowin?

[Gimli]

let me ask this differently: do we know that you and elements targeting at night will get us a kill?

[Gimli]

because IMO we're at a spot where's it's either std/NM, NM/scoli, or STD/scoli. if we miselim and don't get a kill, they'll parity. if we do get a kill, then regardless of which one isn't scum we win the game.

[Gimli]

let me ask this differently: do we know that you and elements targeting at night will get us a kill?

you and enchant, sorry

[Gimli]

but think about my question

[Gimli]

because if we're not guaranteed to win then it also makes perfect sense for LTD to powerwolf us into killing scoliosis cause that's the chance they have of literally winning the game by achieving parity next gameday

[Gimli]

STD, sorry

too many games rn lmao

[Gimli]

VOTE: STD

goodbye my sweet prince

[Gimli]

when one of us rand scum the other one will know, grandpa

[Gimli]

I just said why you'd powerwolf it. you can reach parity next gameday with a miselim, as long as our NAs don't guarantee flipping the POE. and I think that's your only shot at winning so you woulnd't bus NM instead

[Gimli]

its a pretty dismal situation indeed

[Gimli]

Unless enchant/grandpa contain our vig

Let me figure this out rn

[Gimli]

group a - scoloisis, elements, galron, gimli
group b - vander, enchant, tabibitos, grandma

group a targets grandpa
group b targets elements

This was d1 plan

[Gimli]

Elements died. Meaning we didnt have the jailkeeper in (freedom, enchant, tabibitos, grandpa). + As Im sure scum wouldnt yolo try to kill elements, that means elements died because that group contains quack or cpr (our plan was horrible). It can't contain both because then elements would live instead.

[Gimli]

If tabibitos was our cpr/quack, hitting Air ar might after a miselim lises the game

[Gimli]

Sorry I'm phoneposting

[Gimli]

If tabibitos was CPR/quack, miselim + our current night plan loses the game.

Can we be sure we win it instead? No we can't. So we need to flip scum right now.

[Gimli]

We have a living jailkeeper, I think.

[Gimli]

Scoliosis/galron/gimli contain the JKer. If we want to make sure a certain player survives to final 3, we'll have to kill std (instead of galron/scoliosis) so the three potential jkers can jk... Grandpa

[Gimli]

Dunno if that matters much though

[Gimli]

Anyone can be the cpr or quack, but we can only be sure that cpr or quack (but not both cause they null each other when targeting at the same time) is in tabibitos/enchant/grandpa. If its tabibitos, we don't have a vigilante kill tonight and will lose the game to a town miselim

[Gimli]

Otoh we can be sure that the JKer (paranoid doctor) is in me/galron/scoliosis. But that makes no difference now.

[Gimli]

Unless the JKer was Vander... But then we'd get two towns killed.

Man that plan was horrible. What were you thinking?

[Gimli]

Unless the JKer was Vander... But then we'd get two towns killed.

Man that plan was horrible. What were you thinking?

Elements would inherit and save grandpa. Ok we can have a dead JKer too. Sorry for the bad mech in last post and disregard that

[Gimli]

ceelo green

[Gimli]

I live! It felt good to be back until I read the flips. Catching up now.

[Gimli]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Gimli]

okay. let's move the game forward by voting him?

[Gimli]

we can make this exciting

we kill NM, and then we target scoliosis at night, unless their catch up is so incredibly towny that we have to kill someone else

and then we play f3 with people posting in the thread like a good ol' game of forum mafia

what do you say, STD?

[Gimli]

nice

[Gimli]

yes sorry for the scumslip

use that in f3 if the game doesn't end

[Gimli]

what if killing tabibitos was randed

[Gimli]

if it's NM slot and scoliosis, galron was V/LA and scoliosis disappeared somewhere in d1 and only returned yesterday.

is scum factional kill optional?

[Gimli]

Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.

it seems like it's optional and wouldn't be randed, then.

another thing from wiki

Stats:

Total Games: 12
Town Win: 75%
Scum Win: 25%

pedit: yeah. gtk

[Gimli]

so my plan would be:

A) Nurse claims
B) Everyone except someone (?Enchant?) targets the Nurse (which guarantees she doesn't die I believe)
C) Enchant targets someone other than Nurse, Nurse targets Enchant
B) We eliminate either Freedom or Vanders today

That's it I guess?

- Aether

this plan was good.

we'd get an uncontested nurse rolled through d2.

instead we chose something that killed extra town and removed us a whole fucking gameday.

I'll be louder about what I think next time...

[Gimli]

The CPR doctor's action will always resolve LAST when a player is targeted by multiple night actions.

I am adding this note to the rule set.

except for this

[Gimli]

so same plan but don't get the nurse to claim and hold all NAs, would make it a mountainous 9er

[Gimli]

potato potatoe

[Gimli]

we can make this exciting

we kill NM, and then we target scoliosis at night, unless their catch up is so incredibly towny that we have to kill someone else

and then we play f3 with people posting in the thread like a good ol' game of forum mafia

what do you say, STD?

problem is, std's slot's iso is combined more scummier than scolosis entire iso

yes I agree with this, but still more fun to play f3 with STD

good question re: what if both target someone different, I think one of you can be weak and then end up dying, which could leave us with f2 instead of f3.

like one weak one CPR, for instance. weak dies to mafia, CPR kills town target, and they NK me

ends with 2 people and they win cause they reach parity

[Gimli]

if weak and cpr both go to the same player and its mafia, even if weak dies the cpr will kill mafia and we still win the game

[Gimli]

we can still have CPR in your group, cause it resolves last. so the same situation as when we were trying to protect the nurse. here's how elements could've died:
quack kills
paranoid protects
CPR resolves last and kills again

[Gimli]

in fact i think if we all piled on a single target we'd have a n1 townvig so lol us

[Gimli]

we can still have CPR in your group, cause it resolves last. so the same situation as when we were trying to protect the nurse. here's how elements could've died:
quack kills
paranoid protects
CPR resolves last and kills again

this makes no sense.

freedom, enchant, tabibitos, and i all should have targeted elements.

let's say i am quack
tabibitos is paranoid
enchant is CPR

mafia targets tabibitos

tabibitos dies

i target elements but elements is NOT killed because of paranoid blocking my action. and since CPR resolves last, CPR would have protected enchant.


ithink what i was trying to imply is that we shouldn't asusme that CPR is in our group
this doesn't make sense becaue elements would have not died during the night. but they did and that's because CPR not being in group one

CPR kills a target that wouldn't die instead if paranoid blocks quack, CPR isn't saving. if it's not saving, it's killing

[Gimli]

1 CPR Doctor - Saves their target if their target would otherwise be killed – otherwise, kills their target

so if one of you was paranoid/or simply didn't have a quack in the group, we can still have cpr killing elements.

like

naive
weak
cpr

cpr kills elements

[Gimli]

I'm an idiot and am figuring out the full implications of this game's mechanics as the gameday progresses too...

[Gimli]

so the point is you and enchant have to target the same player, otherwise we can flip mafia today and still lose cause of weak+cpr+factional kill combination, giving scum parity

[Gimli]

so the point is you and enchant have to target the same player, otherwise we can flip mafia today and still lose cause of weak+cpr+factional kill combination, giving scum parity

and if NM is town we will lose regardless if one of you is weak

[Gimli]

weak+cpr+factional kill

i doubt this will happen

i think weak doc has died

why?

[Gimli]

we targeted you and elements, and elements is dead town. so weak isn't dead for being weak, unless you're scum. it can totally be either of you afaict.

[Gimli]

we don't have a guaranteed quack doctor either as I just showed CPR could've killed elements

there's actually more combinations of CPR amongst the two of you than quack I think, cause CPR kills if there's a standard doctor and a paranoid doctor while quack is stopped by those doctors

[Gimli]

Lmao gg

This was a game that happened

Thanks pavowski for modding! I had fun with y'all

[Gimli]

Perfect NA enchant and grandpa! I was afraid you'd go to different targets, which could have ended the game with a scum win if grandpa went for std instead

Crazy shit

I told you of the cpr+weak combo, didn't I grandpa

[Gimli]

I wanted it to play f3 with fenrin as I never scumread scoliosis at all the entire game