Haven't read much but I think this is nearly always genuine and not some kind of theatre just to get townread.In post 1458, Shirou wrote:Honestly this strongarm'ing playstyle isn't bringing me good results as town and it emotionally really messes with me.
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Hi fire! So good to play with you again.In post 1445, fireisredsir wrote:my lean town on lucian is independent of other reads and is based on his own play. i think this is a game where he would be more likely to struggle to really sink his teeth into it (which imo it felt like that was the case) as town than he would as scum
he also has been complaining about being so tired of being scum with potatoes and shirou may be many things but a potato he is not
so i kinda think lucian's lack of engagement and motivation is slightly antiassociative with shirou who is more than willing to do the heavy lifting that lucian is tired of doing
Are you maintaining this shirou scumread of yours through his more recent posting? Is your Lucian (now me) townread based off lack of associatives with shirou? What if shirou is town? Also, what if disinterest with playing as scum has more layers than just playing with potatoes?
I haven't followed much but you've replaced in for Ari, is that right? Navigating the thread on phone is a nightmare. So those reads you had as expectator?-
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Quoting this for myself to read more appropriately when I have context for these posts, but I find the "goddamit you're town aren't you" (I'm paraphrasing) organic and in context with being annoyed at shirou for shirou thingsIn post 1446, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Aside from the hammer, I also think TGP is scummy for pushing Shirou for policy reasons but trying to not make it seem like a policy push (1076 says shirou's metapush is scummy but he also needs to be fearlimmed)
Then his transition to a Shirou townread in 1328 feels too sudden and unnatural. If you look at TGP's ISO, he has alternated between scumreading Shirou and being uncertain about him ever since page 22 (614 - votes Shirou). The quoted Shirou post that gives him a change of heart doesn't even feel that AI to me -
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Can you or someone point to what the Norwee fakeout thing was?In post 1407, fireisredsir wrote:i think that almost everything shirou has done this game (including and especially the norwee fakeout thing) aligns closer to furthering what his goals would be as mafia and not what they would be as town-
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I think this thought from Aubrey is towny right after they say they want to flip Ari, cause it points to a paranoia that flipping the counterwagon is gonna hit another townyIn post 1413, Aubrey wrote:Gamma just seems like a zero info kill. So scum must be happy enough with the game state to some degree I guess.
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I'm liking Gimli posting here but I'll admit I'm pretty biased against Lucian slot so please have patience with me if you're town Gimli"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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@Aubrey If TGP is scum, do you think I'm a likely partner? If yes, do you think TGP is likely scum in the first place?"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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I ask the same to @Klick and @StDIn post 1483, Shirou wrote:@Aubrey If TGP is scum, do you think I'm a likely partner? If yes, do you think TGP is likely scum in the first place?"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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I don’t think TGP looks good right now. I wish I knew if he knew he was hammer. He’s just a low info slot for me right now which makes it difficult to discern him. His case on you as I said replicates some of my earlier thoughts, so I can’t fault him there even if I didn’t agree with his end logic. What’s the scum motive for going after you at that point is the other question that needs considering. Was he trying to keep his hands clean of a town vote? Was he avoiding adding pressure to a fellow mafia? Or is this town with a genuine thought pattern? I think he’s also a slot having trouble keeping up with the thread a bit. So does going after you leave him sitting pretty for a bit and give him a breather while the thread continues being active? I just think Ari or Una might have been the easier vote…
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I think I'm coming to the conclusion that I can't solve this whole game for real until I get a definite scum flip
There's so many theories of what's happening in this game in my head and keeping track of the conditionals is rather confusing and too much. "If X is scum but Y is town, if X is scum with Y, etc". I think I'll try to focus on getting one scum right before trying to call out a "solve"...
so my pool won't be a "this is the scum team" but rather "this pool has scum on it in most scenarios/possibilities of this game imo".
p-edit: just clarifying typed this out before I saw Aubrey post"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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He definitely knew it. He even explains himself a bit because of that. I had already said it was E-2 or E-1 a bit before.In post 1485, Aubrey wrote:I don’t think TGP looks good right now. I wish I knew if he knew he was hammer."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
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Ok nevermind maybe TGP didn't know.In post 1362, Shirou wrote:Una is at E-4.
Did you know you were the hammer @TGP?"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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Wonder if maf is just playing a lax game.
Pina and Shirou are the loud ones…I’d have expected more people to cling for townieness.
Lucian didn’t bother me, and Gim isn’t pinging me right now.
If I throw Gim, Pina, and Shirou into town then that leaves me to look at Toto, husky foxy wolfy doggo, TGP and the other cat avatar.
I expect Fire to be active in order to save the damaged slot…hmm. Flipping this slot gives me the most info to work with from D1 because we’d have confirmed wagons.
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i think it's incredibly rude to tell someone that you know better than they do what their own feelings are especially after they've explicitly said that it isn't accurate and demonstrated whyIn post 1457, Shirou wrote:
holy cope.In post 1433, fireisredsir wrote:ari wasn't disinterested in the game
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i mean in real time it did look very clearly like you were setting ari up to take the blame for it so yea i would say that your approach was positionalIn post 1464, Shirou wrote:
maybe it's because your slot was fine with self-voting but not voting with me on TGP???In post 1449, fireisredsir wrote:i don't think that the way he pushed tgp and then backs off actually makes any sense at all as town. it's all positional there's no real read behind it
How is this my fault. We clearly would have done TGP there if Ari had voted with us, and I'm not blaming Ari here, what I mean to say is that I clearly tried to make a TGP wagon happen and saying I didn't when other people resisted is straight up bad faith.
you were playing a game of politics and not really a game of mafia. which you can do as town too sure but like there's nothing about it that is at all difficult for scum to fake and like i said earlier it's closer to playing to scum wincon than town wincon-
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i just have felt you've been towny all game and haven't had any reason to doubt that. i don't really think anything about your play seems informed to me. in a standard setup that would probably be a place where i would put you in the mental "worry about a deepwolf later" bucket but a solo scum can't win here soIn post 1471, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@Fire Why do you townread me?-
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In post 1413, Aubrey wrote:Gamma just seems like a zero info kill. So scum must be happy enough with the game state to some degree I guess.
i think this is probably likelyIn post 1476, Aubrey wrote:Like eliminating Gamma doesnt cast suspicion. It doesn’t force out a strong talkative player at that point in the game…unless there is Meta involved. So I just think mafian either have a plan of attack to fix slots or comfortable with the slots in the danger zone coming into today.-
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i always lose confidence in my scumreads once people start talking tbhIn post 1477, Gimli wrote:Are you maintaining this shirou scumread of yours through his more recent posting? Is your Lucian (now me) townread based off lack of associatives with shirou? What if shirou is town? Also, what if disinterest with playing as scum has more layers than just playing with potatoes?
I haven't followed much but you've replaced in for Ari, is that right? Navigating the thread on phone is a nightmare. So those reads you had as expectator?
but i don't think that anything he's said is something that he wouldn't fake as scum and also basically none of it is an attempt to sort people. i think he likes talking about himself as either alignment
on lucian i think ive gotten decent at reading him and just feel his play makes more sense as town here and doesn't feel like he had goals or an agenda. the anticonnection with shirou was a pretty minor point
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to be more clear on lucian i don't think his lower level of effort is that AI bc he's busy and there's potential reasons why he might not be super motivated to try as hard as he sometimes does as scum
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aubrey has kinda felt like a bit of a supporting role to me so far this game
like it feels like they're sometimes... there. but mostly just to say "hey, this game sure is a game, huh?" and drop a few thoughts. i don't have a clear picture of what they believe or a sense that they are trying to move the game into a more sortable place
that is probably unfair and im sure they're doing more but it is the assessment i have after reading along and not yet actually looking closely at the slot
often that is a place where scum can be but i don't have much reason to actively scumread there. reading iso should prob be a priority tbh-
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Hmm i like Fire's thoughts but i'm not sure if that's to the level where i should townread it. Although Ari's handling of their EoD yesterday i am not sure is what scum would usually do so idk maybe they are just town here.
This game sure is a game huh?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I think i wrongly townread Fire once so that's why i'm being careful.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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