HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: radical rat

Is commenting on the picture in our role pm allowed??

[Bellaphant]

@titus, killing joke is Nancy and frog!
@killing joke, hi! Ask me a question? Who are your three scum reads?


I can see some of the roles being swingy, so I'm kinda fine with the miller claim for now.

[Bellaphant]

Eh, I think flea is fine?

I'm vaguely scum reading elements, eira and wayward and not loving mala but these are weak reads. I do think there's a difference between rr's gimmick and eiras though and RR can be town for day one.

Wayward I've read some newbie games of and I think I will just find them hard to gel with.

Frogster was such a scumfuck that game and him and eiras totally abused my good nature!!!

[Bellaphant]

I think the song is just.... indicative of it being flea, rather than ia? Im glad you said about std though, because same.

Theres strong crossovers in this list to the frog/eira game recently, so I'm going to try to keep open minded to hpe and elements.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: elements

[Bellaphant]

'their post was bad, have a not RVs vote'

Hi bbt, u town?

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Std, what makes you think anyone is fine just town binning the slot?

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^ this is all fine from ws. I'm not sure what specifically it was in the games I read, tbf a lot of the newbie games are awkward.

[Bellaphant]

Did you rob a coffee shop? More importantly, can you share?

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@std, scale of 1-10 how actually worried are you about being the elim here?

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Someone asked why I read rr's gimmick different, but it's because there is actuall content.

@std, why?

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@std, it just seemed like a lot of....noise about not much, but it was clearly only the warm up act...

[Bellaphant]

I'm reading more than I'm posting.

Really liking eira for town for a few reasons, including but not solely the push back on mala for the vote on me: scum love to vote me, especially day one and malas RVs is super weird, as the last two times we've played together they've been lurk!scum and my RVs has been nothing exceptional.

@mala, reciepts?

Hpe is town too, I scum read that one for being informed and strange in our last game and vigged them n1. It was a mason. Not having history repeat there.

Mala's next vote is even weirder. Explain?
@kj, eiras town, although I am wary of them. Last game I scum read them, they used a letter sending mech at night to melt my heart...and were scum. Also, like....take this however, but my engagement and sorting is going to be minimal while your and fleas.(and minirly STDs) slot are throwing rocks at each other. It's like a leech for my motivation and enjoyment.

[Bellaphant]

so i'm just not going to get an answer to my question i guess

Is this at me?

@mala, my lack of motivation is 100% drama in thread and not in my role pm related.

@kj, elements was in that game I keep mentioning with eira, bbt, frog, etc. Frog was outgoing and interested but also very manipulative: I think that's just them, not necessarily a town or scum tell (I mean this like no tea no shade).

[Bellaphant]

Eh, mala could be town. Her post to me is more engaged that her last two scum games put together.

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@flea, I don't think we've played together, although I've read a bit about you and larping elsewhere! I tend to do well one on one so have a drink and chuck question or two at me?

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Hpe, no, I really like your posting so far.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

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Eh, if we are wagoning lurkers I'd rather do enchant.

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@flea, I don't think we've played together, although I've read a bit about you and larping elsewhere! I tend to do well one on one so have a drink and chuck question or two at me?

yeah I'm a keen LARPer ^_^
Turns out its not a dehydration headache which means it's probably an OSDD headache so this is going to be foggy af for a day or two.

Has anyone in particular underperformed who you were expecting more from today?

Titus, bbt, out fo people I actually have expectations of.
I don't know the other lurkers that well, although waywarda initial fine -neas has vanished.
I expect about this from enchant.

[Bellaphant]

Passenger's posts have made no impact on me at all, which is often a scum tell

[Bellaphant]

• The Town are called Crew, VTs are called Loyal Sailors, Town PRs are called Officers - whose flavours are derived from traditional roles on ships, and/or piracy in popular culture. At least half of the Crew are Loyal Sailors.

what officer could be miller

Oh cool selfmeta.

I aleays say, if you can say how different you are as mafia and town, then you can manipulate it.

I like Passenger, congrats you are now doublevoter.


... Whew, mafia is hard.

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

The first...three posts are townie and the last two are gross. I particularly don't understand the hpe wagon at all and it seemed like a distraction to progress. Also, singling out passenger is just strange to me

[Bellaphant]

@kj, recently my go to was 'i haven't been scum in years '! Which was true, Ans then a couple of months ago I rolled scum four times in a row or something: a cult game, where I was solidly town until the last day but we weren't able to get any recruits, a game where nm went massively against his meta and bussed me (we won!) And lost, which Nancy was in: I was really solidly tr by most people but was tracked to a kill! I won a newbie as scum recently too, so I guess that's 3/4!

I think my scum game is improving, but my general meta now is to pursue what I would pursue as town: it's really dull but even as town I tend to get scum read early game for yhings that aren't ia at all (tone, asking 'pointless' questions) so I tend just to get on with it.

[Bellaphant]

Tell me why you like passenger and I might be!

[Bellaphant]

? I'm saying a day one scum read of Bella is just standard, no matter my alignment m. I'm not scum slipping, silly, I haven't been drinking nearly enough rum!

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I'm scum reading std (and frog a little bit) for tone but for very different reasons.

@bbt I don't feel qualified to sort the two leading wagons day one and I think hpe is Tien. Chucking a vote on enchant or elements isn't great, so I'm not voting rn.

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The hpe wagon also sucks and like my town reads are on my town read.

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I agree with gimli that STDs posts don't feel organic.

[Bellaphant]

Spoiler:

HPE is not solving HPE is not analyzing HPE had hesitation in voting me because it doesn't want to look too suspicious jumping on my wagon.

i dun remember everything i've ever said

VOTE: gimli

FOR MALAKITTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS

Here are a ton of quotes where I feel STDs tone is all over the place. Some look like town but a lot aren't 'progress' focused.

Frog's tone issues are about charisma and manipulation.

[Bellaphant]

i don't

i mean maybe everyone is telling me i'm agitated or jumpy or whatever by saying that but i don't think i was so i think people are just reading it wrong

my playstyle is weird and wacky and sometimes it looks scummy and i think that's what's bothering people which is why i said that.

The things about your tone that a hnch of people are scum reading you for, and you see them scum reading you for, aren't the reasons I'm scum reading you.

But I kinda like this post. Hmmm

[Bellaphant]

...also, that isn't a ton of quotes, what happened to the rest of them

[Bellaphant]

I'm scum reading std (and frog a little bit) for tone but for very different reasons.

@bbt I don't feel qualified to sort the two leading wagons day one and I think hpe is Tien. Chucking a vote on enchant or elements isn't great, so I'm not voting rn.

You know something

VOTE: Killing Joke

The level of reach in your posts is honestly disgusting.
We're 2 days in, you're literally throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and accepting nothing in return. I tried to be nice, but its clear that The Joker is always going to be scum.

Flea is scum here. *cries*


STD scumposted when he made that post with if we PROVE we’re town to him, he’ll TRY o read us but anyone who knows how to read me correctly can tell I’m town here and Flea knows I can never be scum here, so yeaah I tr faer for paranoia on our slot but complete inability to correctly read me, Joker might be right then.

ANYONE SOLELY FOCUSED On JOKER’S POSTS And IGNORING MINE ARE PLAYING VERY BADLY And Are The MOST LIKELY To Be SCUM PUSHING US

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~Harley

I also scumread Flea for those posts but for likely different and weaker reasons.

This caught my eye because it felt like it was mirroring my language.

[Bellaphant]

Wayward son, passenger and action Dan have made even less of an impact on mw than enchant/elements. Nothing memorable

[Bellaphant]

Spoiler:

HPE is not solving HPE is not analyzing HPE had hesitation in voting me because it doesn't want to look too suspicious jumping on my wagon.

i dun remember everything i've ever said

VOTE: gimli

FOR MALAKITTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS

Here are a ton of quotes where I feel STDs tone is all over the place. Some look like town but a lot aren't 'progress' focused.

Frog's tone issues are about charisma and manipulation.

3 is not a ton, by any stretch. not when its less than 5% of the overall posts. and if we include the spammy ones I'd still say less than 10%. Yes the tones are very different in each one, but I'm pretty sure anyone one in this game can pull the same for anyone in this game. You have a serious sorting/read post, a flat rebuttal to a bad point someone made, and a YOLO SCREW IT post.

Two of these I would consider game progressive - but I have a low bar for that admittedly.

I had tons of quotes and then I went to cook and my phone wiped them! I'll go back later

[Bellaphant]

@joker, of course. The other issue was that I don't have the confidence in myself: I scum read you very heavily in the last game but I'm not often confident to be a voice in the wilderness: Nancy will know in cosmos that I scum read her slot since day one, there was a probable guilty on her but she was consensus town read and ended til 6p!
Why did you ask about my scum meta?!

[Bellaphant]

@joker, I'm slightly more aggressive as scum: see the lack of confidence.
@flea, I said 'i scum read X and y for tone but for very different eeasons' and then like three posts later passenger almost literally uses the same language. It's weird, right?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: passenger

^ man's got a point

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Tbf two of my Poe are voting Std.

No one's vote on hpe seems well explained tbf.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah it's weirdly quiet. I don't think this should be the elim today.

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There's a reason I call you manipulative

It's fucking weird that Std has been the main wagon all day phase. I think it's anti town not to question that. Day one spats are often t v t, no?

Std is 'scummy' for reasons around tone and 'theatre'.
Passenger is scummy for a lack of content, really boring reads and no progresion.

[Bellaphant]

The wagon is static: wayward and Dan's vote has been there six days.

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Mostly, but I'm happier with a passenger elim, specifically because I feel his approach to me specifically is weird: he talks about his read on me a lot, and I'm not the most interesting person in the thread by miles, plus the language copying.
The hpe wagon was worse.

STD has the leading wagon since Thursday.

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Tbf, i think you, gimli and hpe actually believe std is scummy. I thought so too a few days ago but I'm not convinced right now. If they need to be the day one elim for thread health, hammer. I think it's obvious that I'm not impressed with the kther votes/voters on the wagons.

It's weird you talk about narrative and ate about std when there's so much of that pouring from the kj slot. It makes me very hesitant to just go 'yip sure'

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* I will hammer

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Std is 'scummy' for reasons around tone and 'theatre'.

Did you not share this sentiment? As far as I can tell you thought he was scummy for tone without elaboration.

I also do not know who on the wagon thinks that as a main argument for the scumread, though I haven't been paying as much attention to wayward who last I remember was sleeping KJ.

Pedit enchant already on wagon right

I did! I acknowledge that. I just also se some towny content too. It's not a reas I'm confident on And I'm weirded out that it's the day one wagon.

I thought most of the issue for others was the 'theatre' and reaction testing?
P-edit eh, flash wagons are anti town, apparently

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That's a 'and': their reads approach is super weird, I just feel they are trying to appeal to me when matched with that.

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If scum killed enchant then they think either he is playing to his town meta or else other people can determine that. I am not familiar with either but I'm doubtful that it's due to fear. Also I would assume it means scum thinks they have the town where they want them.

Immediate people to look at are Titus/Passenger/Elements. I never read Elements meta, I ought to do that. I still think HPE / KJ are town. I think Flea is just town now.

Explain any of these??

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Nope. We are getting rolled though, the wagons were shit yesterday and when I bothered to mention it kj called me anti town.

In hod recently I replaced out BC I couldn't get a handle on the game: turns out my handle wasn't that bad, a ton if the thread 'influence' was scum . Feel the same here

[Bellaphant]

Eh, more interested in action Dan/flea rn? Eira seemed more buddy as scum but this is only on one games meta.

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Sorry, as well as Kj. They sifted weird role related reasons std was scum and walked them back and like, no one challenged. So it's even weirder that action Dan's top scum reads are in people who didn't make an impact day one, and let's the people who should've made an impact a town pass?!?

P-edit I'm not sure about eira. I feel both flea and kj were narrative forming yesterday

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Flea defended passenger to me a lot without engaging in the meat of why I was worried? Like maybe a tmI?

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Theatre is a thing, yeah? I think I'd flip kj first but like....is that what scum wa r us to do?? *Tinhat*

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Scum!Nancy directed me to lost recently which hilariously proved my point (she had no reads in our game, she had bad reads in lost)

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I don't think elements is town? I think hpe is town and I think gimli could be.

@eira I guess

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@mod, can I vla for a few days

Sorry, rl threw me a curve all, too sad for mafia.

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I liked eiras reads list a surprising amount but also stronger reading bbt as town. I'm wavering a little on hpe: hpe, can you check a few questions my way? I'd like this from flea and gamma as well, if you have a sec

[Bellaphant]

Eh, I engage better one to one but my brain is fried: literally ask me about any hot takes in the thread and we can have a chat!

Have we not played much together before? This is fairly standard Bella.

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Tbf I am both weird and ineffective! It's for me, really, not for you

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Frog did a lickerts scale early and basically seemed to realise I liked nice people so was nice and eira had a role where she could message people over night, but it was a scum role: I was totally pocketed for two day phases on eira, and frog had claimed Dr - this also makes me wary of eliming/not eliming by mech rather than play, as in my last game with rats and Nancy, I wcun read both of them day one but both claimed prs and got further than they should have in their play.

I want to ask frog in particular why they pooh-poohed my critic of the stale wagons?

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I forgot mala existed. Mala should get checked with a claimed vt right?

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Mala, passenger, wayward, action Dan...

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@flea, hi! I felt like you pooh-ed my 'passengrr is copying my wording ' thing when my focus was on how weird it was that they kept talking about me when a lot of other people are/were ignoring me. For example, kj still hasn't engaged with my asking why they ifnoredtmy comments about the wagon: a chat I also had towards the end of day with elements that didn't go anywhere.

I feel like day one was overrun by scum: we ran up two town! And I felt like you were fairly noisy, but maybe it's just that kj was really noisy.

I can't work out if my reads are shit or I'm just sad. I think eiras town.

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? Is the second but to me too?
Passenger made at least two reads post where he waffled about my slot. It felt weird. Scum reading passenger isnt exactly a hot take, at least one person vigged him: why are you asking me this? Not exactly progressing, is it?

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I only liked two of the reasons for the hpe votes yesterday and one of them flipped town. I did ask then, I ask again now: people voting, literally three bullet points on why?

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1.08

Votecount 1.08

Save The Dragons (6):

Killing Joke, Wayward Son, ActionDan, HighPrincessErinys, Eiralox, Gimli.

HighPrincessErinys (4):

Passenger, Save The Dragons, Enchant, Titus.

Killing Joke (3):

Flea The Magician, Radical Rat, BlueBloodedToffee.

Enchant (1):

Elements.

Gimli (1):

Malakittens.

Not Voting (1):

Bellaphant.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Elements is V/LA for the weekend.

This VC feels significant

[Bellaphant]

Like are we really calling that hpe wagon pure? One scum in enchant/Titus 100%

[Bellaphant]

HighPrincessErinys (4): Titus, Killing Joke, Gamma Emerald, BlueBloodedToffee. + Gimli+ elements

Two day phases titus' vote is here. Why? Fuck knows.

[Bellaphant]

Ok, but then if we believe Titus, that doesn't mean hpe is scum: Titus is boring hpe because she believes it/bbt (and/or?) Must be scum for her to be the nk, which....I don't understand. Again, the reasoning for people's votes just isn't there.

[Bellaphant]

Omg can we stop saying you have an inno. That's literally not how this works. Can you not see that every time you present it as that, even if it's true, when we literally don't have that as proof, it makes people's teeth itch And want your blood?

[Bellaphant]

@flea, that's ..fair, I think I expanded on the rest to someone else. Enchant is never a 'good' push in the early game, especially for me; they either town it up a bit later, especially where mech is involved, or they don't.

Titus still hasn't explained the hpe/bbt thing . Like I said I don't even care if I trust her claim, I just want more information from people voting hpe. Because we didn't get it yesterday either.

[Bellaphant]

Mmr's result on you wasn't the reason I scum read you from day one. You were fucking intransigent then too. Can you try to work with me? Because you've talked to me like I'm town a lot.

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I scum read your other head far more than I scum read you so instead of approaching me In a way that makes me want to throw cannonballs at my own head, can you try? Self aggrandisement and patronising me ain't it.

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^ is lock town for me btw.

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I p sure I was scum in elected decisions and town in diffusion of power!

I'll respond to the rest later but thank you, less rocks now

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I think Nancy climbing down from 'im conf town' to 'soft inno' is actually progress.

Intransigent just means 'not likely to change your mind'.

@nancy, you seem Sus of elements, but you buy their claim? Clarify for me? Also, how worried should I be that you actually think I sound like my scum game: did you get them mixed?

I don't tr mala at all but I was thinking action dan ans gimli could be scum. I think eira is town Ans I'm waiting for case on hpe from...anyone.

@rr, I think the thing that's thrown me so much about the frog slot is the story crafting: they dominates the thread yesterday and didn't really respond to ideas? Especially from me: they recently gave me really specific priase for having 'unusual' reads that people missed, but I feel basically ignored by them?

[Bellaphant]

@nancy, you were right, I got the names muddled X

[Bellaphant]

...that's reads list might actually just be scum . That's disappointing

[Bellaphant]

Bellla just made her way into a town-lean.

Cool, y?

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@kj, probably action Dan! I'm not convinced on gimli, hes got like twice as many posts as me Ans I can't remember his takes? I'm not loving how elements has handled the claim. Like I said, I don't want to touch enchant yet?

I don't know about mala, I think RR is town And I do think eira is town by play. Aftee hpes readlist my conviction crumbled on then being town. I'm also p Sus of gamma, again I have no idea of her stances

[Bellaphant]

@eira, I don't see the issue with rat?

Still waiting for anyone to case hpe

[Bellaphant]

What's the vc? Think hpe is going to walk the plank unless we lik, flash wagon action Dan or something

[Bellaphant]

? What's wacky about the game, gimli? Day two has been rather calm.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: gimli

[Bellaphant]

....? You Ans hpe aren't engaging at all

Thanks Titus.

[Bellaphant]

Bbaaa that's terrible. Has it every played scum on this site, hpe?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: action dan

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.....the scum team can't be this deflated? Surely? Gimli comes in with 'the game is too hard', hpe comes in with a vote for mala and action Dan comes in with omgus? Really?

Ive made it clear that I was tr-ing hpe but now am not and I can't get a read on gimli, which is often a red flag.

[Bellaphant]

How is me voting you not a push? I'm not scum reading flea massively. STD I knew was flippibg town, the wagom was garbage and I pushed against it and got ignored. In fact, you can see my read progression on enchant and std about 'tone' and content in thread.

Everything you wrote is basically bullshit. I've not seen a push that has against me in ages.

[Bellaphant]

I still want literally anyone to give me threw bullet points of why

[Bellaphant]

Why would I ever want to understand others' motives in a game of mafia bbt? C'mon, stop being evasive.

[Bellaphant]

I responded to your 'case' last day phase, action Dan. No response?

If it's just kj and eira and flea, everyone else needs to wake up: people who wouldn't give reads lists yesterday, people who wouldn't explain their hpe votes and noe three scum reads on Me in one page.

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Bella can be scum, too.

Her positioning around that HPE wagon was bad.

Respectfully, no. I've watched two people get elimed now for ....shit and giggles? Im actually really angry, more than I think I've been before, at the utter lack of anyone else seeming to engage any critical thought. If anyone, including you, had answered my questions about hpe, maybe we wouldn't be in maybe Melo?

I feel like I'm shouting into the void.

[Bellaphant]

Gimli is my scum read who could be town, yeah

[Bellaphant]

Has noone claimed spotted? Has everyone checked in?

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VOTE: action dan

[Bellaphant]

P sure eira and enchant are kidding ...

[Bellaphant]

....how is me wanting people to share their reasoning a bad thing in mafia? Seriously? Are you and bbt being deliberately dense?

If it was a less chaotic game, people might actually consider I've been asking us to apply a tiny bit of critical thought to our elims and ....being scum read for it??

Passenger did so badly that someone fucking vigged him, so I'm not the only person with shit reasoning am I.

It's fine. All the crew have to work out how is which of the scum are leading this push. Feel like Bo Burnham.

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'weak af'. I get that it's weak. but elements, if town, would be a good poison not only for antispew but it'd frame me beyond salvation this gameday. I know I'm town so I know elements is 100% the poison today. if she is not poisoned that means she is scum. I keep throwing that read away cause no one listens to me lol but maybe I'm right and elements is scum.

I actually like this

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Also , flea, maybe you are just really tired but those are my 'probably town" reads. The only person in certain on is rat

[Bellaphant]

I really think I am? What's not clear? Maybe ask me some questions instead of yelling at me and voting, weird way to work with people

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Cool, so, very clearly action Dan. I know this is a hard sell to you, because you seem to agree with some of his points on me, but actually go back and look at his case: it's actually untrue. In fact, I mention you in my response, as it was our char about std that made me change my read on him.

His read is also stale: no re-eval, no nothing. Honestly, do you remember anything action Dan has said? Any posts that make you wonder about a read? Like, with gimli, my read on them is garbage because they poar stuff that looks scummy 50% of the time, Ans the other 50% I'm like 'yea dude preach '. Do you have any of that with the slot?

Same with Nancy: I genuinely believe this is their town game, partly because their words match their actions. In cosmos, the things they said not only made no sense, but they were super loud about the same few things and weren't progress focused.

Bbt isn't progress focused either. A lot of his recent contributiona has been pot shots, often at me. Where's moving the game forward?
It's why I think eiras town. It's chaos but at least it's movement?

I don't care about Elly. They probably should claim a result.

I think gamma could be scum.

[Bellaphant]

Feel like I'm going crazy, gimli

[Bellaphant]

....it's not like a one of the whole scum team could possibly plan to avoid a town elim.

It's not an activity read. You post, I remember nothing. That's not activity, that's not engaging.

Also, lmao ar 'we should evaluate why hpe got voted ': I literally shouted and jumped up and down for people to do this yesterday. You can't possibly be town and missing me this much.

[Bellaphant]

I haven't had a game like this in so long. It always boils down to the same thing.

[Bellaphant]

I'm not getting elimed today.
I just gave a fuck ton of reads talking to flea.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

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Tbf I normally am really confident on mala scum and I'm not convinced

[Bellaphant]

I'm p sure only four things could've happened last night.

[Bellaphant]

3.5 maybe.

[Bellaphant]

Role locked, I guess

[Bellaphant]

I started scum reading hpe after the reads list and the vote on mala. There were already a fuck ton of votes on hpe by then. You still can't explain why people not explaining their views is ...fine? Why don't you find some of those shoddy votes scummier?

[Bellaphant]

? What it is that doesn't make sense?

You still can't address my basic question: why is it wrong to want to know people's motivations in a game about....finding people's motivations?

[Bellaphant]

Like, are you gonna sit there and say that it wouldn't be easier today if we could look back at seven people's bullet pointed reasons Ans go 'yeah that's weak af?'

[Bellaphant]

I'm not avoiding it. What even is your question? Co you aren't answering mine.

[Bellaphant]

Fuck it

I'm a sort of vig. If I get targeted, I redirect the kill. Three guesses for who I directed it on to.

[Bellaphant]

Cough

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Are you even reading

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: bbt

This be a two for one

[Bellaphant]

No, I've given you plenty. You try.


Why would scum redirect their own kill? Honestly that reasoning is bad enough to auto lim you.

[Bellaphant]

Ok, and?

[Bellaphant]

Oh, fair, I guess there is a vig. I mean they might just have targeted action Dan and I had nothing to do with it but then why lie? That plus the weird three sudden scum reads at day start makes me think I was targeted and they knew I wasn't dead.

Tbf tho, it would also make sense for scum to bus action Dan here, as they are dead at the day end anyway.

Even if ad is town, he was either the target, or I was.

I think? Or he got vigged?
Fuck me, I'm as bad at mech as you are.

[Bellaphant]

Also I did redirect to passenger, lol, but he would've died at day end if it was my target, Ans they did target Titus, so passenger was just a vig shot?

[Bellaphant]

The annoying thing is that if ad flips town it doesn't actually clear me.

[Bellaphant]

So like, gamma, flea a little bit, and and bbt look bad for their day start now.

[Bellaphant]

Haven't got a fucking clue. Can't see the use of the way they are engaging in the thread as town or scum. Really want them to be town?

[Bellaphant]

I'm just gonna go ahead and nip this in the bud.

I'm the Vig, I killed Passenger. Anyone wanna CC that? Didn't think so.

I'm shooting KJ tonight.

...wait, we both went to kill passenger, were both town and were still fighting?

Fuck. This. Game.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

[Bellaphant]

Why would I be lying here, flea?

[Bellaphant]

90% believe bbt

[Bellaphant]

Flea really believes scum would target Dan over me? Yeah, nah. Fear position on me has been bad since day start.

Reminder: if scum targetted me, they need me elimed so I can't fuck with them again.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: flea

Yeah, Dan flipping green does nothing for me, annoyingly, but if he is red I didn't want him to be the elim, because then we lose a chance to get extra scun

[Bellaphant]

It's why I was hesitant to claim, role is weird.

@eira,.you believe my claim?

[Bellaphant]

Can we look at gamma pls.

[Bellaphant]

I thought flea was town before today tbf but the whole day has been kinda shit from fae.

[Bellaphant]

Flea really believes scum would target Dan over me? Yeah, nah. Fear position on me has been bad since day start.

Reminder: if scum targetted me, they need me elimed so I can't fuck with them again.

So you're saying that killer scumbutt me knew the poison had gone walkies at day start, before the claim?

The scum team would know if action Dan is scum, yes, because they will be told they'd been spotted (like they have).

Basically, if ad flips green, then no, If red, yes, the scum team have this knowledge.

P-edit I can only say what I see

[Bellaphant]

Elements didn't anything me I think.

[Bellaphant]

It's swingy af and I don't even get told Id it worked!

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

[Bellaphant]

Nah, I think your slot is town. I'm most confused on flea and enchant I think, any help would be fab @kj

[Bellaphant]

Why didn't he claim spotted though? I 100% think only scum would like after being targetted by my deflect.

[Bellaphant]

I don't think that's a good enough answer.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, I might be being bad at maths, but what if we no lim but bbt shoots

[Bellaphant]

I just want action Dan to answer: why didn't you initially claim spotted?

[Bellaphant]

It may not be possible, Bella.

ISO Mod.

??

[Bellaphant]

I think RR is town. I scum read them straight away in cosmos (Ans Nancy) and was right on both.

[Bellaphant]

I do think kj is town.

Also, bbt, sussed it.

[Bellaphant]

Gimlis latest reads gave me the ick

[Bellaphant]

...but that is true I believe. God gimli confuses me

[Bellaphant]

Enchant hasn't towned it up. Enchant normally towns it up

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: gamna

[Bellaphant]

I don't think Dan is as solidly Town as you apparently do. Being spotted is unfortunately not a clear in this case, and neither is rereading things. Going through ISOs and making up comments isn't exactly a difficult thing for scum to do, and it's suspect to me that he suddenly cares now but has spent most of the game doing absolutely nothing. And on top of that, I don't agree with the takes presented, though I did get a good chortle out of the math poem.

I simply do not trust him enough to advocate sheeping.

It’s not a clear because Bella was the one targeted and she’s the one who deflected it onto Dan. If Dan does flip red, I think that would look pretty bad for Elements because they made this point of saying we were goon and Dan was vt.

I hate to say it but this looks like a perspective slip? I've been really clear that it could be just that scum targetted Dan.

[Bellaphant]

I'm 50/50 on you and Elly tbh

[Bellaphant]

I'm also surprised that town Dan isn't mad at me

[Bellaphant]

...hang on flea, you were berating me for the push of passengers but bbt shooting him is 'god like '??

[Bellaphant]

I think we get more info keeping Elly alive.

[Bellaphant]

I don't think elim -ing Elly today is the right move at all. Scum are pushing this, 100%

[Bellaphant]

Fleas position was also weird, fae challenged me like 'what, scum me would know scum Dan was targetted?' like it was ridiculous, not obvious

[Bellaphant]

Gamma, why am I where I am in your reads?

[Bellaphant]

Flea really believes scum would target Dan over me? Yeah, nah. Fear position on me has been bad since day start.

Reminder: if scum targetted me, they need me elimed so I can't fuck with them again.

So you're saying that killer scumbutt me knew the poison had gone walkies at day start, before the claim?

The scum team would know if action Dan is scum, yes, because they will be told they'd been spotted (like they have).

Basically, if ad flips green, then no, If red, yes, the scum team have this knowledge.

P-edit I can only say what I see

For reference

[Bellaphant]

It's not scummy for me to ....expect you to remember what you said. I'm not narrative forming or.... anything, this convo happened and you never picked it back up and are now hostile to it being back in attending.

[Bellaphant]

expecting me to remember anything is a bad move. And you dodged the point of the question anyway.

you gave the logical conditional answer, not the real answer.
So i ask directly, do you believe I am scum with Dan, and therefore came into the day knowing he was poisoned?

I think there's a fairly high possibly, yes.
Do you now agree that the scum knew?
Do you also agree that scum started day one with a push on me because of what they knew?

[Bellaphant]

..ive just had a revolution that maybe I could do Elly. Hmm

[Bellaphant]

Well that felt coordinated

[Bellaphant]

? If Dan flips green that doesn't make me auto scum eira, you know this.

[Bellaphant]

I'm finding it extremely difficult to look past their push on Fenrir D1 as well, I feel like Frog has been noticeably absent as well?

I feel this, I really do, but Nancy is so different here from cosmos that I'm struggling to see them as scum.

But like I'm 50/50 on gimli too: sometimes I thinkt hey are 100% right and town and sometimes I think they sound really, really informed.

[Bellaphant]

I'm also more worried about eira than I was. I think eira needs to spend today straight talking

[Bellaphant]

That's the thing bbt, I don't have a better answer than 'vibes'. Also they feel 'progrss focused' Ans like they are at least aiming to solve, but their reads have been pretty bad all game? I don't know if I'm just pleased to be having a game where I feel that me and Nancy are more on the same page and I'm just pocketed?


P-edit I think, bbt, that you don't think I'm conf!town but I don't feel that suspicion from gimli?

I'm more confused on rr than ever, I had them as lock town but hmmm

[Bellaphant]

Tbf you only need to look at day one, Nancy and Titus hydra are really obv scum and rr is Sus.

P-edit I felt really good yesterday and my whole theory was shit, though. So I'm spiraling.

[Bellaphant]

Tbf you only need to look at day one, Nancy and Titus hydra are really obv scum and rr is Sus.

P-edit I felt really good yesterday and my whole theory was shit, though. So I'm spiraling.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, like passenger
P-edit a lot, but I do have a crazy idea that scum is being set 'goals' that influence kills, etc. Maybe they successes with std but failed yesterday and it cost then enchant?

That's nuts, right.

[Bellaphant]

I think for sanitya sake we need to elim in kj/flea/gimli.

[Bellaphant]

I think for sanitya sake we need to elim in kj/flea/gimli.

????

You just said that I’m playing very differently from Cosmos? Don’t make me start to doubt you now Bella. I not scum here.

I realise that looked more like an order than it was!

Think my preference is flea/gimli first for sure but I don't deny that your flip would be the highest info.

[Bellaphant]

I think rats right? That's like the point of a miller?

[Bellaphant]

I don't think elements messes up though when they just did their mech post?

[Bellaphant]

Like, shed have to be scum specifically with mala?

[Bellaphant]

Just iso-d mala: if she is scum, it's with Elly.

I'm basically happy to vote gimli

P-edit eira could be right
Pp-edit rat is saying that mler should return an 'opposite' result, basically: so vanilla when miller.

[Bellaphant]

HORRIBLE SETUP SPEC

ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS

and I'm E-1 over it. goddammit BBT.

pedit: no that's not necessary. it just becomes a potato PR that messes with wolves ability by giving them a PR result and they end up killing the miller instead of actual PR

zzzzzzz RR so bad so very bad

I don't think this is right?

[Bellaphant]

I thought you thought Elly was scum?

[Bellaphant]

But Elly claimed parity cop

[Bellaphant]

Same/different. A miller should surely do something?


...with this much swingy vig around I can see the scum team not being that strong? We're lucky me and bbt targetted same person n1 else we'd be in the shit.

...mala claimed a different pr anyway now

[Bellaphant]

I'm not hammering rn

[Bellaphant]

I'm really not, I'm just confused.

[Bellaphant]

Who's scum on your wagon gimli?

I'm low key annoyed that I've probably tried to engagw you the most Ans you can't read me.

[Bellaphant]

Malas reads early game look really good

[Bellaphant]

Gimli, you mean enchants role?

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, it's like the r word, please don't? I think it's a British thing maybe.

Gimli, Elly, why would I play yesterday like I did as scum?

Who shot Dan? Me? Or...another vig and I redirected? Or...I made the whole thing up for shits and giggles? Why would I kill Dan if I was scum? Like ...what is your actual point?

[Bellaphant]

Explain my play yesterday to me? Explain why noone else dies n1 if I'm lying about anything.

I spent all yesterday telling people not to clear me. Why wouldn't I be shouting all over that I'm...double soft innod, instead

[Bellaphant]

I'dl love an answer though. I got wagoned early yesterday, it's just noise

Ok but....why do I put myself into the limelight at all? Why don't I shut up and let more town die?

[Bellaphant]

Explain my play yesterday to me?

Explain why noone else dies n1 if I'm lying about anything.

I spent all yesterday telling people not to clear me. Why wouldn't I be shouting all over that I'm...double soft innod, instead

titus got the spit on n1, I don't know what you're talking about

Fair, I hate numbers, I was imaging another kill again

Answer.... anything else though?

@eira, noones play this game has really made sense to me: I thought hpe was hard town Ans then it's last few posts really made me ?? Same with ad: I was so sure he'd told his scum buddies he'd got spotted.

But actually the minute he did claim I guess scum knew their kill went wonky anyway. So that's what I need to look at in the morning.

P-edit what do you think is more likely?

[Bellaphant]

Uninformed feels like exactly the word for me rn

[Bellaphant]

Elly, why did you check mala?

[Bellaphant]

Elly, why mala pls

@frog, why traitor at all?

[Bellaphant]

It felt like you did believe it before?

[Bellaphant]

Why you didn't target claimed Miller as well then

I don't scumread Mala

What changed?

[Bellaphant]

Targeting me or action Dan over Elly is weird.

[Bellaphant]

Is anyone tr-ing flea?

[Bellaphant]

What's the vc?

[Bellaphant]

Bella I still hate, once again seeing nothing but flapping here, honestly. When all I can remember of a slot is behavioural comparisions, kinda gets my back up.

It's blatantly clear that you don't like me here, at all.

Still, in the interest of communication, would you be able to expand on this? On Bellaphant?

I've been heavily reading you as a mutineer for large portions of this voyage. There was a period where you did feel wholesome.

This sort of is me extending a final olive wreath.

If you reject it, whatever.

I'm sorta tired of trying at this point.

You've given me no reason to like you and given nothing but convoluted flow and narrative which had little to no substance as I read it. I am happy to try and talk.

Bella made some krakens damned awful posts and pushes. Opening on Passenger, then being weird around me in response, then being weird around the ActionDan/Deflection issue. There has been repeated and near constant deliberate misinterpretations of posts to the point I am facepalming. Going into mechanical speculation, A deflector/kill redirector/whatever with 2 gated vigs seems obnoxiously strong for a town setup. 3 gated vigs is also disgustingly strong given pretty much every kill is accounted for meaning there is no additional scum kill power.

Even if we entertain the thought that Mala is a traitor/vig - that still stacks even more against mafia in balance imo.

The power balance of this game, the awful cases, the misinterpretation.
I need to go back over the claim if I ever remember to, and re-read that whole sequence.

Talk to me about being weird on ad? Again, as I said to gimli, why does scum!Bella claim....anything yesterday and bring the limelight on them?

And 'deliberate' misinterpretation? Coz...this literally only seems to happen with Fae. Everyone else can talk to me normally: I only get into these weird back and forths with Fae.

Eira, bbt: I'd rather vote flea over gimli, but I'm worried it's because gimli occasionally looks 'reasonable'. Come talk to me?

(Also, kj, the quoted should give you very much flashbacks to 'come talk to me, not about ne')

[Bellaphant]

Flea, it just feels like you have 'a problem' with my slot. I don't recognise your version of our interactions at all: I talk to you, you slag me off. Rinse and repeat. Like I said, this isn't happening with anyone else.

No one was tr-ing ad so I used my shot.

Ad, then, to my perspective, lied: he didn't claim black spot. I knew either my redirect had worked and I'd been targeted, or there was town doc/RB/etc
Considering my role basically only works once (why would scum target me again), me claiming was net + for town at this point
Ad spends the day not getting mad at me for targeting him or really seeming interested at all in the mech
I assume the scum team knows, via ad, who I believe is scum, to then know it's me that's done this - they know they shot me! Again, claiming is net +
Ad is just town. The day ends confusingly.

What's scummy about it? The town motivation should be obvious everywhere.

Scummy would have been to act as ic all day, use the town cred to push an elim with only minimal support if my buddies for distancing, and then crash and burn today.

Or, just....say nothing..if I'm scum, I either have a redirect and redirect a vig (which....no one has claimed) or just...killed action Dan and made the whole thing up. For ....reasons.


Do either of these seem likely?

[Bellaphant]

Elly, yoy also seem to be happy with me being scum. Can you explain yesterday from that pov?