Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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wait but i thought everyone agreed the stuff in the item shop are all kinda antitownYou can't step in the same river twice.-
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psyche are you townBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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sure yeah but cmon life is shortYou can't step in the same river twice.-
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Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.In post 2565, Shirou wrote: Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm
Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots
I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now
Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start<Embrace The Void>
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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Alisae is scum either way.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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is titus also particularly suspicious or are you saying psyche/titus to hedgeIn post 2578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.In post 2565, Shirou wrote: Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm
Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots
I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now
Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the startYou can't step in the same river twice.-
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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ooh oooh ooh ok i have something
have obsessed some over how i should read that one enchant post about elo that tried to break the game. and has implied that the take contained may not be as cold as i originally thought so why not write it out? warning note that i still haven't read most of the posts in this thread.
It's definitely pro-town to outline such a strategy but otoh scum could notice the potential strategy and decide to divulge it for town points.
This alternative though requires that the scum player was thoughtful enough to identify the strategy and then presumably just as thoughtfully determined that the downsides for scum of revealing the strategy were outweighed by the upside of being the party that revealed it
Prima facie, since the strategy as outlined was so powerful, the scenario above seems hard to take seriously, leaning me toward a townread. so question to me is how firm the townread should actually be.
One interesting factor this hinges on is that firebringer really didn't do any clarification until after the public discussion. I think this assumption is reasonable primarily based my belief that he'd want to address apparent gaps in his design promptly. This belief also suggests that the team swap strategy wasn't discussed in a private thread -- at least not substantially enough for FB to take action. I feel like the strategy was apparently powerful enough that scum who'd noticed it would at least discuss a bit before bringing it up in the public thread, perhaps even actively reaching out to FB first for clarification. So the observation that FB's clarification occurred after public discussion makes me feel all the more sure that the team swap strategy wasn't proposed by scum.
This conclusion withstands consideration of some other assumptions that might seem weak on their own.
For example, one factor that might motivate scum to reveal even a powerful town strategy is if they think the strategy's discovery by the town is inevitable. If they don't think the strategy's implementation depends on whether they specifically are the ones who outlined it, they might decide to reveal it themselves in hopes of minimizing harm. If a scum player has high respect for the analytical players of someone in the player list, then maybe they'd be especially inclined to this reasoning. The problem w/ this argument is that it assumes a pattern of caution in the scum player that contradicts with FB's behavior. Cautious scum would workshop this move first with their teammates.
But what about the possibility that scum-enchant is the opposite of cautious-scum? That he detected the strategy, and then revealed it w/o much discussion with his teammates? After all, cleverness and caution don't always occur together. Some recent posts by enchant have even convinced me that he has a whimsical streak. I guess it's possible but I think I'm more whimsical than Enchant and in that situation I'd still probably talk the gambit through in my PT first, though perhaps primarily to bask in its absurdity. So I don't really read enchant as the sort of player to be so simultaneously spontaneous and focused that the issue wasn't discussed in thread and flagged by FB beforehand.
Oh but a possibility more serious: maybe FB is a slack or overloaded guy who isn't following along in realtime. He's managing like 50 different threads and mechanics, I guess. But idk. It was earlygame and reading scum pts are among the more enjoyable duties of a game moderator. So I discount the importance of that possibility.
so yeah pretty strong townread for enchant. wonder what in this thread could possibly shake it. hope everyone else is as easy to read.
on the other hand i really thought furtive was scum why am i wasting my energy when i'm dumb and permanently wrong and have an irl job i'm blowing off someone pls fix me i can't do it i have a 100 page thread to readYou can't step in the same river twice.-
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vc here.
soon
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Business is busyShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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SirCakez he/himIs A Liehe/him
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why is alisae scumBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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If you don't know why I think Alisae is scum then I suggest you have not been reading the game even a little bit.In post 2583, SirCakez wrote: why is alisae scumtout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Can you do an interpretive dance explaining why you think alisae is scum-
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Alisae lolbalance
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Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?-
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Shirou He/HimGoodfellasHe/Him
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I don't think it works exactly like that but...hm, I suppose mathematically speaking it would make it more likely yeah.In post 2578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.In post 2565, Shirou wrote: Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm
Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots
I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now
Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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What's exactly your read on me/Alisae 1v1 though?In post 2585, Thestatusquo wrote:
If you don't know why I think Alisae is scum then I suggest you have not been reading the game even a little bit.In post 2583, SirCakez wrote: why is alisae scum
You hinted at thinking it was "scum theater" before, however that was before I posted my thoughts on her and all. Is that still your opinion? We're just both scum and that's it? I don't feel a lot of curiosity from you on engaging the whole thing"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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Shirou He/HimGoodfellasHe/Him
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I've sent a message to firebringer, btw."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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I say this cos I get the feeling Alisae is trying similar stuff to hidden speezyIn post 2588, Shirou wrote:
I don't think it works exactly like that but...hm, I suppose mathematically speaking it would make it more likely yeah.In post 2578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.In post 2565, Shirou wrote: Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm
Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots
I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now
Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”-
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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About WHAT, exactly?In post 2590, Shirou wrote: I've sent a message to firebringer, btw.<Embrace The Void>
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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I wanna say this is patently falseIn post 2587, Alisae wrote: Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?<Embrace The Void>
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I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.In post 2593, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I wanna say this is patently falseIn post 2587, Alisae wrote: Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?-
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Save The Dragons He/HimProtection unnecessaryHe/Him
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I don't get why you believe I must have tampered with my list but are seemingly unwilling to consider anything else-
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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If I were in that mindset, but I haven’t rlly beenIn post 2594, Alisae wrote:
I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.In post 2593, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I wanna say this is patently falseIn post 2587, Alisae wrote: Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?<Embrace The Void>
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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Because it’s conspicuous as shitIn post 2595, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't get why you believe I must have tampered with my list but are seemingly unwilling to consider anything else<Embrace The Void>
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Alisae lolbalance
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because?In post 2596, Gamma Emerald wrote:
If I were in that mindset, but I haven’t rlly beenIn post 2594, Alisae wrote:
I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.In post 2593, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I wanna say this is patently falseIn post 2587, Alisae wrote: Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?-
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Shirou He/HimGoodfellasHe/Him
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hm, isn't it kinda clear given I hinted about it earlier?In post 2592, Gamma Emerald wrote:
About WHAT, exactly?In post 2590, Shirou wrote: I've sent a message to firebringer, btw."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"~Firebringer on town!Shirou
"Not if it was Volpe's PLAN all along that we lim him and when he flips red we think Wooper is scum"~town!Norwee jokes about scum!Shirou's actual plan
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