Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Psyche]

wait but i thought everyone agreed the stuff in the item shop are all kinda antitown

[SirCakez]

psyche are you town

[Psyche]

sure yeah but cmon life is short

[Gamma Emerald]

Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm

Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots

I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now

Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start

Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.

[Thestatusquo]

Alisae is scum either way.

[Psyche]

Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm

Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots

I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now

Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start

Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.

is titus also particularly suspicious or are you saying psyche/titus to hedge

[Psyche]

ooh oooh ooh ok i have something

have obsessed some over how i should read that one enchant post about elo that tried to break the game. and has implied that the take contained may not be as cold as i originally thought so why not write it out? warning note that i still haven't read most of the posts in this thread.

It's definitely pro-town to outline such a strategy but otoh scum could notice the potential strategy and decide to divulge it for town points.

This alternative though requires that the scum player was thoughtful enough to identify the strategy and then presumably just as thoughtfully determined that the downsides for scum of revealing the strategy were outweighed by the upside of being the party that revealed it

Prima facie, since the strategy as outlined was so powerful, the scenario above seems hard to take seriously, leaning me toward a townread. so question to me is how firm the townread should actually be.

One interesting factor this hinges on is that firebringer really didn't do any clarification until after the public discussion. I think this assumption is reasonable primarily based my belief that he'd want to address apparent gaps in his design promptly. This belief also suggests that the team swap strategy wasn't discussed in a private thread -- at least not substantially enough for FB to take action. I feel like the strategy was apparently powerful enough that scum who'd noticed it would at least discuss a bit before bringing it up in the public thread, perhaps even actively reaching out to FB first for clarification. So the observation that FB's clarification occurred after public discussion makes me feel all the more sure that the team swap strategy wasn't proposed by scum.

This conclusion withstands consideration of some other assumptions that might seem weak on their own.

For example, one factor that might motivate scum to reveal even a powerful town strategy is if they think the strategy's discovery by the town is inevitable. If they don't think the strategy's implementation depends on whether they specifically are the ones who outlined it, they might decide to reveal it themselves in hopes of minimizing harm. If a scum player has high respect for the analytical players of someone in the player list, then maybe they'd be especially inclined to this reasoning. The problem w/ this argument is that it assumes a pattern of caution in the scum player that contradicts with FB's behavior. Cautious scum would workshop this move first with their teammates.

But what about the possibility that scum-enchant is the opposite of cautious-scum? That he detected the strategy, and then revealed it w/o much discussion with his teammates? After all, cleverness and caution don't always occur together. Some recent posts by enchant have even convinced me that he has a whimsical streak. I guess it's possible but I think I'm more whimsical than Enchant and in that situation I'd still probably talk the gambit through in my PT first, though perhaps primarily to bask in its absurdity. So I don't really read enchant as the sort of player to be so simultaneously spontaneous and focused that the issue wasn't discussed in thread and flagged by FB beforehand.

Oh but a possibility more serious: maybe FB is a slack or overloaded guy who isn't following along in realtime. He's managing like 50 different threads and mechanics, I guess. But idk. It was earlygame and reading scum pts are among the more enjoyable duties of a game moderator. So I discount the importance of that possibility.

so yeah pretty strong townread for enchant. wonder what in this thread could possibly shake it. hope everyone else is as easy to read.

on the other hand i really thought furtive was scum why am i wasting my energy when i'm dumb and permanently wrong and have an irl job i'm blowing off someone pls fix me i can't do it i have a 100 page thread to read

[Firebringer]

vc here.
soon
probably
Business is busy

[SirCakez]

why is alisae scum

[Firebringer]

Round 1 Results:

Team Johnson's:

1 Flag

Team The Wolf Pack:

1 Flag

Team Not Cheaters:

1 Flag

Team Single Braincell:

1 Flag

Team Holmes under the Hammer:

1 Flag

Team Board of Mis-directors:

1 Flag
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1 Flag


Round 2 Ends in (expired on 2023-01-26 12:45:00)

[Thestatusquo]

why is alisae scum

If you don't know why I think Alisae is scum then I suggest you have not been reading the game even a little bit.

[Save The Dragons]

Can you do an interpretive dance explaining why you think alisae is scum

[Alisae]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

[Shirou]

Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm

Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots

I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now

Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start

Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.

I don't think it works exactly like that but...hm, I suppose mathematically speaking it would make it more likely yeah.

[Shirou]

why is alisae scum

If you don't know why I think Alisae is scum then I suggest you have not been reading the game even a little bit.

What's exactly your read on me/Alisae 1v1 though?

You hinted at thinking it was "scum theater" before, however that was before I posted my thoughts on her and all. Is that still your opinion? We're just both scum and that's it? I don't feel a lot of curiosity from you on engaging the whole thing

[Shirou]

I've sent a message to firebringer, btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

Me and Alisae have been talking, honestly I've been posting more in our hood than in the main thread right now but hm

Right now I think we're both considering team swapping Enchant to Titus/Psyche here the most interesting option given there's a significant number of people also interested on those slots

I've some other suspects but honestly they're unviable to challenge right now

Unless I'm daykilled (which I kinda doubt a bit rn given my position in this game atm?), this is nightless and I'll probably be here anyway later so not too worried on guessing all scum from the start

Imma be blunt: if Psyche/Titus lacks scum, Alisae is scum.

I don't think it works exactly like that but...hm, I suppose mathematically speaking it would make it more likely yeah.

I say this cos I get the feeling Alisae is trying similar stuff to hidden speezy

[Gamma Emerald]

I've sent a message to firebringer, btw.

About WHAT, exactly?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

I wanna say this is patently false

[Alisae]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

I wanna say this is patently false

I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.

[Save The Dragons]

I don't get why you believe I must have tampered with my list but are seemingly unwilling to consider anything else

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

I wanna say this is patently false

I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.

If I were in that mindset, but I haven’t rlly been

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get why you believe I must have tampered with my list but are seemingly unwilling to consider anything else

Because it’s conspicuous as shit

[Alisae]

Gamma why have you shown, literally 0 interest in trying to sort the ballots yourself?

I wanna say this is patently false

I mean I think you are the type of person that would do the math to help you figure out the truth and I don't think I've seen you demonstrate anything like that.

If I were in that mindset, but I haven’t rlly been

because?

[Shirou]

I've sent a message to firebringer, btw.

About WHAT, exactly?

hm, isn't it kinda clear given I hinted about it earlier?