In post 411, ActionDan wrote:
I've read up, but haven't given my full efforts to players outside of the range of StD, Elements, KJ and Flea.
Firstly, I am becoming much more convinced StD is scum.
I believe the initial vote against KJ to be weak, especially when the reasons for the push were revealed in post
187. Elements posting chess pics in the thread is neither town indicative nor in any way helpful to town so at the least someone touching on it should not be wholly unexpected. And it is not true a priori that such questions would garner no value; even innocuous questions can merit unexpected AI responses. I can nitpick at the other two about a wary townread and Nancy's post being flat (it is content none the less) but they are at least fathomable.
If the justification of the way the vote was made was so that there was engagement between StD and people who were of the same mind and/or people voting StD that never happened. I think the goal of the vote was presentation over substance.
I absolutely understand the frustration with Frogster's postings. This goes to all of StD, Elements, and Flea. They are a reactionary inflammatory player. Their associative reads are hyperbolic, and yes the meta postings do not translate in parallel with this game except only maybe vaguely in the case of post
150 in which the language is similar, i.e "If I were scum I wouldn't do *Thing A*" vs. "If I were scum I wouldn't do *Thing B*, but A and B are as apples to oranges. While I get it, there are times when I feel posts of StD's become performative, post
231 as HPE specifically points out and a series of posts culminating in post
351 when speaking to Nancy are good examples.
More concerning is the vote on HPE in
325. That is analysis. Whether it's good analysis (Obviously I think the part about StD specifically tends to strike true) you can debate. The questions asked about it can be asked without the addition of a vote because I simply don't believe StD thinks:
This is ongoing at the moment and I will continue to monitor.
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My Read on Flea is that fae have a decent chance at being scum. I don't wish to entirely reiterate their correspondence with Nancy as clearly its a sore spot for both of them and admittedly I did not read specific meta, but understand in a general sense they have a long history.
111 is a scummy post. Voting a claimed miller is not RVS, and placing it there neuters its power. I happen to be biased about "town cores" since I view the practice of actively trying to force these flawed, moreover, to do so at the expense of scumhunting normally very distasteful. Let us take this post as is so we can establish this is Flea's priority and keep it in mind.
Fulfilling this objective is immediately sought in post
191. But I question (among other things) this bit:
In post 191, Flea The Magician wrote:149 be spicy from the Joker, wanna see how this progresses given I can't work out what the reads are coming from this... o.O Definitely interesting though :3
Which reminds me @Joker still wanna know what was scummy about that post, I ain't having your slot cruise by on my ability to read Nancy.
Why? Why bother at all? the priority is to read Nancy is it not? To determine the alignment of the Hydra by exploiting the meta (and I say meta here because if you think you can read a slot historically well and accurately it is by your knowledge of their meta) of one of the heads. Flea later will vote the slot because of Frog in post
232 and its about here where the slot is irrevocably damaged for Flea.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too. And I feel that's what Flea has done. There should be enough material to form a meta read on Nancy, I do think she has had content to analyze and enough posts to form an emotive read if that's how you want to get there. I myself am mostly reading the slot through Nancy's postings now and think (contrary to HPE) that
265 and
267 were particularly towny.
I can see this, and I'm finding it hard to believe Flea can't because Frog, no matter how distracting he is, prevents them from doing so.
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Elements, briefly, I think is town on a reread. There was nothing towny in the ISO prior to
118, but from here I like both the interactions with StD and KJ. The only reservation I have is that she hasn't formed any independent scumreads or delved into outside players aside from Std/KJ.
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KJ as previously mentioned continues to be town. I first got that impression from Frog's very early posts and Nancy has only solidified that for me later. I do have a blind spot and that is I don't know the metas of Nancy and Frog when they are scum.
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I have some preliminary thoughts on some others in this game but I want to reread to flesh out my thoughts.
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