Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Firebringer]

Gonna be a fun game guys.

I rolled scum.

Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

This is my Hollow Kingdom. Bow before me peasants.

As your benevolent scum king I may give away one of my allies. MAY
You have to prove yourselves worthy of my charity though.

[Firebringer]

ok

I am freezed up can you thaw me out

I'm not helping scum

YOU WILL NOT HELP THE KING!?!?!?!?!?!

LOCK THIS MAN UP NOW!

VOTE: Gimli

Those who do not serve the king properly are to be executed

[Firebringer]

hahahaha FOOLS

You scum know not what you are dealing with. Prepare to face the wrath of Mistyx the Mighty, carrier of villages, ender of scum! Tremble before me!

I DO NOT FEAR U

[Firebringer]

Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

Who was your biggest competition in the scum PT?

You peasants haven't earned the charity of me giving away my allies yet.

[Firebringer]

I read your ISO

VOTE: Firebringer

TREASON AGAINST THE KING!?!?!?!

I will bring pain upon your family for this.

[Firebringer]

furtive and Mistyx are now married by decree of the king.

Now Furtive will be locked up in the Deep dungeons and both will be tragically taken apart as I force Mistyx to watch furtive suffer his fate at the gallows.

I will not stand treachery.

[Firebringer]

You should be more accepting of your wifes preferences.

[Firebringer]

no im shutting this bit down now please stop

I DONT REMEMBER PUTTING YOU IN CHARGE OF THE JOKE POLICE!

[Firebringer]

Various Mistyx crimes to date:
1) Speaking treason against the King
2) Speaking treason against the King
3) Impersonating a law officer
4) Not bowing before the king

I think we have enough here we don't even need a trial

[Firebringer]

Everyone is now forced to watch anime.

[Firebringer]

It's a level of detail I think he adds in for extra fun when he's actually mafia.

Or did I make it all up.
What if there is no scum PT and I am a serial killer who claims to be the king.
What if I am town who hates being town so i have to pretend to be mafia for the fun of it.

Or what if i am just shit posting.

We may never know.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

Firebringer/redFF/Lycanfire
One more for the grand slam

I must correct a false misconception by this lowly ant.
There isn't a team of 4 scum in this game.

What we have here is a three man team with one traitor that I don't know about.
See I know this because I am mafia.

I can give you more insight into this setup with my infinite wisdom if you follow my lead.

I suspect the traitor to be Furtive, he seems very traitory as he denounces my leadership.

[Firebringer]

It's a level of detail I think he adds in for extra fun when he's actually mafia.

Or did I make it all up.
What if there is no scum PT and I am a serial killer who claims to be the king.
What if I am town who hates being town so i have to pretend to be mafia for the fun of it.

Or what if i am just shit posting.

We may never know.

I am guessing you didn't make it up.

A wise decision. You will go far in this kingdom.
I name you second in command of the hollow army.

[Firebringer]

If I could change the alignments of the teams I would like you to join the inner circle Ari and post with me in the scum PT.

I have some troublemakers in there right now that I wish to remove.
Yet, I don't want to give them away to the town yet. If they don't shape up, it will happen though.

THEY BETTER STEP IN LINE

[Firebringer]

That's actually a firebringer trademark scumtell.
More proof of me being scum besides me claiming it.
I am only sweet/nice as scum. Everyone knows this.

[Firebringer]

We may never know.

Well tbf we will find out when you flip

Nope, my flip will never tell you the truth of my heart.

[Firebringer]

If i can get flipped in a large pre page 5 im going to laughing so hard you can't believe it.
MORE VOTES ON ME

[Firebringer]

Tis true you need me. But you are in good hands my second in command Ari shall crush the rebellion after my passing.

[Firebringer]

This became my new fanfiction as a prequel to Hollow Knight.
Alternate canon confirmed

[Firebringer]

MorningTweet is not on my team. I will give you 2 more guesses Ari.

[Firebringer]

Morning Tweet voting unvoting and voting again in the same post feels performative.

i actually sort of agree with the way she wrote up that post it is kind of strange.
it wasn't like she quoted a bunch of posts and then at bottom did unvote.
It was top here i vote no wait unvote, then quotes.
Its actually a weird way to write up that post if she is reading and changing her mind mid read through because it implies she had already read it all and then quoted it after.

Or maybe tweet is weird like that and is having difficulty with the slightly different multiquote button

[Firebringer]

strike that last thought.
Tweet has commentary in between the posts.

No that is just straight up nonsensical what she just did.

[Firebringer]

Don't worry i will be chearing you on in the dead thread

[Firebringer]

These hoodlums don't respect my authority, i can shout at them to do it. I doubt they will listen though

[Firebringer]

This conversation becomes a lot more funny if ur scum.
I am kind of hoping thats the case.

[Firebringer]

I like to think of this as my wagon.
I asked for it and the people granted it to me.

You have all been very generous with your votes of confidence.

[Firebringer]

Ari if i told u, that ur my only read right now.
What read do u think i would have on u

[Firebringer]

Ur suspicion is nonsense but Fire latching onto it is scummy

didn't u just admit u did that weirdly?

[Firebringer]

Not gonna guess where I place u?!?!

[Firebringer]

and just like that i ended up in petapan pocket.

[Firebringer]

Sorry Petapan just took ur spot of radiant shining lodestar of townieness
Now ur just second place in the town list.

U still have chances to beat out petapan though. Maybe in the next episode

[Firebringer]

I agree with black.

MorningTweet only crime is being too serious.

[Firebringer]

I don't think peta's very townie at all fwiw but I hope you're right

Excuse u. I know the scum team. Have you forgotten!?!?!?!?

[Firebringer]

Ari over here thinking i would just LIE to her.
Just the rudeness of it.

Petapan isn't on my scum team. I can confirm that.

[Firebringer]

if yall sick of me claiming scum. I will drop it after page 10.
I am still having fun with it for now though.

[Firebringer]

I don't think scum me could pocket u petapan.
But oh boy does that sound like a great challenge

*writes this down for future reference*

[Firebringer]

the game has been open for less than 6 hours

there's game advancing content all over. IDK I don't like it

show em to me

[Firebringer]

Morning Tweet did nothing wrong. AMA

what color are your socks

[Firebringer]

are you sure you need to put on so much armor? your horse looks like it's dying under the weight.

Listen class:
The joke here is that Ari is saying VPB is white knighting for MorningTweet.

Class dismissed.

[Firebringer]

Ive never seen so many people quote my signature in a mafia game before.

[Firebringer]

petapan u can't claim scum. I copyrighted that shit on page 2.

[Firebringer]

NOW ARI WANTS TO COUNTER TROLL ME!?!?!?!

[Firebringer]

half serious
half troll

scum team:
klick/reddf/VPB (just to make it more spicy)/Alisae (grandson always scummy)

[Firebringer]

Klick feels like he is looking for ways to call Morningtweet town.

idk if this is my confirming early vibes but yeah.
KLICK FEELS SCUMMY

VOTE: Klick

First scumread lets go

[Firebringer]

morningtweet u are way too defensive of ur vote on me.

[Firebringer]

which is ironic because u called me defensive and i don't think ive played defense even once yet

[Firebringer]

It didn't feel uncharacteristic of Morning Tweet's personality to me
Like I think MT does it to amuse herself more than anything

i would also like to point out to the crowd that MT vote and suspicion on me is serious as stated by herself.
Klick characterization of it doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny. So he either isn't paying attention or just looking for ways to call it town because he knows MT is town.

I don't think klick isn't paying attention. I think klick sees town MT voting me and is like "yeah gonna call MT town here while pretending to be solving" and doesn't actually perform the town analysis he would do.

Also I think town klick would have called me out on page 2-3 to be serious and he didn't. Low level analysis equals scum klick.

Wow i am actually super confident in this.

I best not try hard to omuch this early or i will wear myself out.
Back to shit posting.

[Firebringer]

As the king,
I am super confident that my teammate is Klick.

Please remove him from my scum PT immediately by voting him out.

Thank you,

[Firebringer]

Wait r u townreading me now or just think im bussing

[Firebringer]

just when i thought i got a decent association read MT throws me a curveball.
i was like yeah Klick scum MT town
Now MT votes with me on Klick.

I go surprirsed pikachu
having whiplash already

MT throwing me through loops

[Firebringer]

I think ur treating MT like town. You saying she is null makes ur behavior more ???
I think ur treating me like town which is also weird since i think ur vote is still on me.

Like I think first thing u would do and maybe im not a Klick mind reader so you tell me how the fuck i am not right on this. Is you would question if my push isn't just scum pushing u. Instead u chose to argue with me on how my analysis is wrong. Like you didn't question my alignment once in that post.

[Firebringer]

Its weird for u to go:
"No FB I am 100% right about how MT is posting and thinking and how you should analyze these posts" and at same breath go "But MT is null"....like i guess ur just saying u have her personality square pegged....great. What u r trying to go from none of this is alignment telling to this is alignment posting from MT. Or are you just not yet in serious mode.

Why am I the serious one here.

[Firebringer]

Morning Tweet voting unvoting and voting again in the same post feels performative.

It's definitely performative but is it scum tryhard-performative or town fun-performative?

do u expect an answer here that will illuminate ur read on MT
or was this for reading Ari

[Firebringer]

i threaten OMGUS to anyone who votes me

My vote is spiritually on Taly right now for this omgus.

[Firebringer]

The second kind of anime.

[Firebringer]

That might be the worst post you made so far Ari.

[Firebringer]

I think i reserve the right to expect all ur posts to be bangers.
If u don't maintain a 9/10 post value. I am going to have to start demanding performance improvements.

[Firebringer]

I don't have confidence in my ability to say the right things to sort for alignment properly mid-conversation.

I am very bothered by this last line here by Klick and ive been mulling it over for like half an hour.
I think Klick can sort and respond. Where is this idea he can't mid conversation try to be sorting? He also didn't fully respond to everything i said, like he took parts and responded to make it look like he was but...

I Want more.
I don't feel satiated.

[Firebringer]

I'm mostly just here to shitpost though.

shit posts hold high value.

What's MY post VaLuE

NEGATIVE 1 BILLION

[Firebringer]

I am already safely in petapan pocket and his pocket doesn't have room for a BIRD!

[Firebringer]

Of course I do. I fit inside a pokeball.

[Firebringer]

Taly not understanding the basics of pokemon is a scum claim btw everyone.

[Firebringer]

Remember how last time ari was just here to shit post and she was scum in that dance game.
Good times.

Remember how she didn't dance with me?
Pepperidge farm remembers.

[Firebringer]

ARE YOU IMPLYING A PT WITH ME IS UNFUN

[Firebringer]

Tf is going on in here

Waiting for you to show up Cakez.
Hey cakez, want to vote Klick with me.
I will pretend i can read u and give u a town read.

[Firebringer]

CSF is never town with me everyone.
Therefore she is scum.

Your welcome.

[Firebringer]

Betrayed by Cakez.
That stings

[Firebringer]

I don't really see how Fire got Klick thinks MT is town from Klick's 184 so like I disagree with the premise of the push entirely. I'm not going to say I don't understand where he is coming from because I think I can but I feel like that alone isn't enough for me personally

Alisae not realizing im a master scum detector is very rude of e.
Just for this Alisae goes into the scum box.

Alisae can get out with good behavior.

[Firebringer]

MTs posts about Fire makes me think they've never ever met Fire and I'm certain that isn't true

Could scumTaly be white knighting me?!?!?!

[Firebringer]

Idk Taly
i feel like u jumped to easily on this being just a thing i do.
I don't like it

But i do agree with pressuring MT right now.
MT is being a bit weird.
Klick to me is weirder since i think with all his insight into MT he would have a read and he apparently doesn't.
Which bothers me.

[Firebringer]

I don't really see how Fire got Klick thinks MT is town from Klick's 184 so like I disagree with the premise of the push entirely. I'm not going to say I don't understand where he is coming from because I think I can but I feel like that alone isn't enough for me personally

Alisae not realizing im a master scum detector is very rude of e.
Just for this Alisae goes into the scum box.

Alisae can get out with good behavior.

ali triggering me with emote reactions.
ALI SHOULD BE RESPONDING WITH GIFS
BUT THIS IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE RESPONSES

[Firebringer]

i like asri roleplay going.
Usually i think people roleplaying overly long is a gimmick to hide mindset here i think its used for fun scumhunting.

Asri is now a member of the trusted cabinet of advisors. Welcome to the crew Asri

[Firebringer]

Please help someone my grandson is BULLYING ME

[Firebringer]

I like all of Blacks posting.
Does that equal town?!?!?
I have yet to understand if its just a personality im liking or i think its just good brain working on this game hunting.

I think black if town will be crucial to this game.
Seems like a smart cookie
(this is me trying to buddy black if town)

[Firebringer]

ill call my towncore:
asri, ari, black, gimli (even though i don't like some of his thinking)

You too can one day join the town core. Apply today to the royal guard and be trusted lieutenant of mine.

[Firebringer]

most of those slots are null to me, why are they town?

I vibe them hard town.

Asri - even doing a gimmick posting is def hunting. I also don't think scum would just play along with my scum claiming gimmick and call me town while i was doing it.

Ari - i liked how she emphasized my phrase about the extra fluff i put in about what i was doing in scum PT. I purposefully added extra in to sell my scumminess and she zoning in on that made me think she is town for it.

Black - Good head on shoulders smart player. I think each post has made come with analysis, I guess Black could be scum here but i think all the thoughts are at least showing insight into how thinking of game that black will eventually trip up if continues like this. I mean could be scum doubt it.

Gimli - i think he wrong on furtive push and overeager. I think he pushing to solve the game and get us going. Could it be pretending to be tryhard town or lamist? I guess? Not feeling it. Feels overeager townie.

[Firebringer]

I don't really see how Fire got Klick thinks MT is town from Klick's 184 so like I disagree with the premise of the push entirely. I'm not going to say I don't understand where he is coming from because I think I can but I feel like that alone isn't enough for me personally

yeah. that.

didn't u say u wanted to sheep me like a few posts ago though

[Firebringer]

Ali my townreads are always golden.
How dare u question any of them.

U really don't want out of the scum box do u!

[Firebringer]

Ohh I forgot that petapan goes into the towncore and highest of town.
I forgot him cause he hasn't done anything for a minute.

He is the most towniest of them all.
And I am not just saying that because im a petapan fanboy

[Firebringer]

wow, major carefail

What

what do u mean carefail

[Firebringer]

id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.

You better not townread me.

[Firebringer]

Petapan just called me cringe and a fail

my hopes and dreams are crushed.

[Firebringer]

Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

How in the hell could you put Datisi as townie

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Redff

I think VPB said this was lazy.
I am good with lazy.

I am less sure of Klick after sleeping on it.

[Firebringer]

Datisi is the god of this world

And you think god is good!?!?!?!
You have much to learn.

[Firebringer]

Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

I’m orange, why’s that?

Furtive was convinced of my argument that we are never town together.
Also I remember last time u also said u were hopeful we would be town together.
I got my eyes on u

[Firebringer]

I dont like Taly townread of me either right now actually.
I think taly should know better to just hand me a townread for being myself right now

[Firebringer]

I’ve been town in every datisi game

You have to have faith in datisi’s superior rng

HOW CAN I HAVE FAITH IN AN RNG THAT DIDNT GIVE ME A SCUM PM!

[Firebringer]

i legit threatened to sue datisi for his bias rnging me as town pregame.

[Firebringer]

if that is what black is doing he is being subtle about it.

[Firebringer]

I’ve been town in every datisi game

I am going to over analyze these words.
Because i want CSF to be scum for revenge in cosmos mafia.

notice how she used "I've been" past tense. She didn't say "i am always town in datisi games" she prefaced with the true statement without confirming she is town in this game.

Very interesting.
Perhaps this time things are different me thinks

[Firebringer]

Being scum in cosmos mafia was not fun either.
Imagine replacing in to see Nancy fighting with Mathblade for dozens of pages.
Now imagine ur teammate just flipped.

Now you have to survive for god knows how many days with no night kills.
Cosmos was bottom of my list in enjoyable scum games.

[Firebringer]

Ari needs to stop making bad posts

[Firebringer]

i think it's inuitive in that he believes he can make a really bad nonsense case on the gimmick account for not explaining a read

I don't get why he would want that though

This reminds me of a game i played long ago.

Pull up your chairs whippersnappers cause old man fire is going to tell you a tale of old mafia:

You see long ago i was in a game, and I was of the scum alignment. I saw a player doing a gimmick, I thought "wow this person is making no sense. This could be an easy push I can get away with because I would do it as town too". So I did so, more than half the game called me out on it for going for easy lim bait. Without ever explaining it very properly how the gimmick player was townposting beneath the gimmick.

Eventually the gimmick player dropped the gimmick at my pushing, and eventually the game turned on me the walls came crumbling down as they might say.

I lost that game. So I learned a lesson.
Town don't know what the fuck they talking about.

That player clearly made no sense and should have been pushed and I wasn't scummy for saying so. I was scum for other ~Reasons~

And that is my tale.

[Firebringer]

Ali you feel cold and detached in ur last few posts.
How you doing?

[Firebringer]

Im claiming town

people voting me...idk if you missed this post?

are u going to claim scum as scum then or what

[Firebringer]

I don't like VPB votes.
But i don't feel like pushing against it and arguing VPB is town
Cause I don't have any town arguments for VPB.

What a conundrum i am in.

[Firebringer]

just say vpb is in your scum pt but you dont want to bus him because he's too funny

Wait where has VPB been funny

[Firebringer]

one day I'll watch an anime

Criminal

This is the only funny post i found in his ISO.
I want real zingers if im going to defend someone for being funny

[Firebringer]

Ari don't make me start thinking ur scum game is literally you doing a content to shit post ratio of 20:80

[Firebringer]

just say vpb is in your scum pt but you dont want to bus him because he's too funny

Wait where has VPB been funny

he is just a funny person in general.

Naah
VPB is that serious guy that you would hang around with who occasionally tells a joke and your shocked he tells a joke so you laugh really hard because you don't expect it and its actually pretty good.

He isn't the typical funny person/player. If you looking for real funny look no further than pooky.

[Firebringer]

We would all do better to take an internet forum game less seriously. I approve of this mentality.
I can also vibe with the not letting team down thing, its the only thing that kind of sucks about playing scum. But then I eventually figure my team wants to have more fun than to win or at least they should. So then i don't feel so bad about when im playing bad as scum

[Firebringer]

if everyone took my philisophy of playing mafia and just ran with it.
Everyone would enjoy the game.

But then the number of scum claiming in games would probably break the game and we would all be hunting players who try to even pretend to be townie. Would either be horrifying or interesting to see.

[Firebringer]

VPB how do i get my add in ur signature

[Firebringer]

alisae is givine me seriously bad vibes and their posting is super sinister to me so

Which posts

[Firebringer]

You fucking with me here?

No, he looked around the courtyard and picked the toughest guy to fight and u looked the strongest to him.

Prison rules:
Fight the toughest person in the room to show em your boss.

Petapan went in swinging at you.
Now I await to see if this becomes a 1v1 and i learn anything

[Firebringer]

I do find it interesting that a wagon formed on someone who i consider one of the strongest players in this game so fast.

Though maybe that doesn't mean anything.
Would scum push VPB or avoid him?
What if VPB is scum and i am just blind?

All interesting questions.

[Firebringer]

I do think if VPB is town scum are going to be kissing his ass actually.
I guess maybe im falling in that bucket?

I don't think a scum VPB flip would tell us good associations either.

Yeah im kind of good letting VPB do his own thing for a day or two before I really like try to sort him deeply.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: aristeia this is the wagon we should be doing she literally has made 0 town posts in her entire ISO

how much wronger can u be

[Firebringer]

I now kind of want to push ari for nonsensical reasons.

[Firebringer]

they aren't even that similar
get an eye exam

[Firebringer]

i'm not out of scum range but i'm rarely going to be, however i'm sure whatever reason you have for scumreading me is dumb as fuck

look how town petapan is being right now

[Firebringer]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

[Firebringer]

like if peta is a turkey and thinks black is being scummy but also is interested in site health and letting newbies get their feet wet without brutaly mauling them for scum slipping all over the place, the treatment makes a lot of sense. also he could simply be unsure of his read since theres no actual meta history and what he's picking up on could just be personality quirks or being used to playing mafia a certain way somewhere else.

i dont think he does it for style points and i dont think its very useful for pocketing.

Filled it in for you

[Firebringer]

there are you happy would you like a lollipop

can i have one

[Firebringer]

wow that lolipop even comes with some free dirt.
Thanks petapan!

i feel like talking about blacks scumread of ari.
But there isn't much to talk about.
Its the first thing from black i don't like.
I guess that is worth mentioning at least.

Maybe i will have to wait to see if anything i like comes from it.

[Firebringer]

VPB are u saying peta pan push is a null or townie or scummy.
What is ur stance on peta pushing u if one and why not if u don't have one

[Firebringer]

that seems like a push to see if peta is just reaction testing u or not.
idk if im reading into things but it seems like we in a situation where ur like "do i need to seriously fight this or is peta just gut checking and i can pass with a decent post reply.

[Firebringer]

i think people were getting on redff's case too much for trolling/shitposting in the early game and i feel like there are big error bars there for a player who hasn't played in a long time

u didn't push a single person who was on my case for trolling/shitposting.
WOW

Also i don't think redff is just trolling right now. I vibe scum it. If this is all u got for redff not scum. I want better.

[Firebringer]

Well now i like my redff vote less

[Firebringer]

I don't trust you!

[Firebringer]

I have yet to see one thought from you CSF where im like "yeah thats a town CSF thought"
Game is young though. Maybe you just need time

[Firebringer]

Try to imagine VPB in spandex.
I dare u

[Firebringer]

LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire
Cat Scratch Fever

i want to learn more about how lycan fire got on this lean scum list here

[Firebringer]

LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire
Cat Scratch Fever

i want to learn more about how lycan fire got on this lean scum list here

He's my neighbour and I think he isn't as towny as the other neighbour partner

ohh so the classic mod guessing of not all my neighbors can be town thing.
i wouldn't put it past datisi to make it all town.
but interesting

[Firebringer]

imagine the hood both exists and is all scum.
I could see datisi doing that too!

[Firebringer]

imagine the hood both exists and is all scum.
I could see datisi doing that too!

What is this even based on...

How troll of a mod we are dealing with

[Firebringer]

imagine the hood both exists and is all scum.
I could see datisi doing that too!

that'd be redundant and borderline bastard

i don't think u know what bastard is

[Firebringer]

imagine the hood both exists and is all scum.
I could see datisi doing that too!

What is this even based on...

How troll of a mod we are dealing with

And how troll is that?

ill let u figure it out post game.

[Firebringer]

my only piece of advice for a datisi game is never try to eliminate someone based on what u think the setup SHOULD be.
go with the dayplay always first and leave the setup for post game.
Otherwise we will be going in crazy loops of trying to figuring out the inner workings of our bewildering host.

[Firebringer]

im starting ot think ali is scum

[Firebringer]

im starting ot think ali is scum

I would think I was a wolf too tbh

r u trying to jokingly play it off?
i am kind of serious here but i haven't yet put the words to make a case im gut scumreading u right now

[Firebringer]

i feel like alisae is playing mind games with me

[Firebringer]

which i don't get why alisae would do as town because alisae doesn't have a read on me so to fuck with me here is silly.
i think town alisae more likely to brush of my scumread and just be like 'okay dude'

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VOTE: Lycanfire

I feel a bit all over map.
I don't feel strongly on klick being scum but im not where i put him a town pile right now.
I don't feel strongly on redff anymore but that has almost all to do with his interactions with ali.
I don't want to elim ali right now but i don't like e posting as of late and i don't believe e would be townreading me.


petapan vs VPB feels.....idk. There were points where it felt peta was only there to argue and not actually scumhunt. There were points where it felt like VPB was signaling to peta that u don't want to get in a 1v1 with him which kind of seemed scummy but this reminded me of Shea vs VPB in past games. I felt i lost a few town points on peta from the exchange tbh. I didn't really move on VPB being basically null but my instinct is he is town.

CSF/Lycanfire are probably good places to vote right now imo.
but i don't have any like REALLY GOOD reads to pursue. Kind of disappointing. Was hoping a hero solve would appear by now

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now we need an upside down ali

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maybe ill photoshop ur avi eyes to be blue and do it as well

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I used paint but i think i did it well enough

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I made my version a bit more easier for Redff to tell apart

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VOTE: Lycanfire

CSF/Lycanfire are probably good places to vote right now imo.
but i don't have any like REALLY GOOD reads to pursue. Kind of disappointing. Was hoping a hero solve would appear by now

Did I miss your case on Lycanfire? Why do you think he's scum?

I don't have a case

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Cakez ur aristeia read is bad and you should feel bad for it.

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cakes is mafia or a moron

What about Mistyx.
I think her vote just now was particularly egregious

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i personally lean towards mafia because I'd feel bad about calling him a moron

Don't feel bad about calling him a moron.
He is being dumb.

I think cakez town right now but he needs to step his game up

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Cakez has a ridiculously bad memory when it comes to past games

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Now ur just personality reading him

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The only thing about cakez i agree with is scum cakez pushes things he thinks he can get away with as scum. Other than that, I don't see how town cakez doesn't just bad push you here given:
A) I don't think cakez remembers past games with you
B) I think cakez skims and is prone to make surface level reads/takes and therefore saw u as being "fluffy" and pushes u.

So everything here lines up with Cakez town to me.
He is more prone about giving his opinions that don't look to me like its trying to impress or care what others think. He isn't trying to appeal to anyone in particular. He is just throwing his reads at the wall of this game and doing so badly imo.

Cakez town

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ok but ari's content and reactions have actually been garbage, this isn't a surface level read

i don't feel like arguing with you on ari town.
Just know i don't agree with ur analysis at all.

I think its pretty bad and ive seen plenty of things from ari i like.

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like what just say it it doesn't have to be an argument

ill make an aristelia town case tomorrow or something. i am going out with the fam in like 20 minutes.

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Okay just a minute argument about ari town before i go and without even referencing early content:

Look at how aristeia responds to scumreads on her:
If you agree with my basic premise that she responds in a way that suggest she doesn't like the read itself and doesn't believe people should be scumreading her

I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading. Where here its more like aristeia doesn't think people should be scumreading her. Or at least in case of cakez it shouldn't happen. (mistyx kind of defeats purpose)

Maybe this is all just garbage analysis but the way in which argued is more on the read itself means more to me than the arguing reasons. Because scum can be upset about the REASONS they are thought of as scum or caught or w/e. They usually not upset or care about the actual act of figuring them out so they attack and fight a reason because they think its dumb/ridiculous etc.

I feel like ari cares and is fighting the idea itself of her being scum. Which screams way more town upset about misread than scum being caught for wrong reasons or w/e.

Anyways this is my ted talk and i shall see you all tomorrow.

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I actually like ur scumread on me black.
I don't like ur scumread on Ari.

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Well i guess technically you didn't say you scumread me.
I like the suspicion though. Feels good man

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If this game turns out im defending scum Ari though.
I will never defend her again.

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I actually like ur scumread on me black.
I don't like ur scumread on Ari.

If you and furtive are scum, Ari is scum. In my eyes at least

You can take me at my word.
Ari is not on my scum team.

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I feel insulted Black doesn't consider me the biggest threat to this game if i was scum.
Just so hurt by Black.

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I can definitely see it being possible of furtive being mafia.
Esp since when has he ever just called me town and openly sheeps me. That is just weird behavior from him.

I am leaving him a lot of space this game for me to sort though that i don't plan to give a strong opinion until day 2 or 3

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Cakez and Fire's recent interaction was like

cakez: help me see the light on ari fire
Fire: No I don't really care to see eye to eye with you but she's done things that I think are townie
Cakez: Bruh like what
Fire: I'll go make a towncase
then he made a towncase and Cakez hasn't really responded to said towncase yet

so like ig said interaction is unfinished but was there anything like that that was able to be faked from cakez's side?

I think this is unfair interpretation of my interaction with Cakez.
I also don't really think i towncased ari yet, I was just pointing out one thing I am seeing ari do that i think makes her not scum. I thought she was town well before she got pushed.

Also according to her im not even reading her mindset right there. So :shrug:

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This may or may not matter at all.
But I am a notoriously bad Cakez reader.
I don't want to just discredit my own read on cakez but I think he knows i am bad at reading him.
I usually have the wrong read. I read town cakes as scum and the reverse.

Do I think im wrong? No.
But I think for transparency people should be aware of my bad history of reading Cakez.

I can still argue cakez town just like wanted to point it out to Ari for instance when she asked if im good at reading Cakez.

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Isn't cakez last completed game like a year ago

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Cakez coming back to play strong. Love it.

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Isn't cakez last completed game like a year ago

I was talking about his last town game here. I was in recent dance game

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if i vote someone who isn't ari, will I be called scum for "backpedaling my push" and "giving up when I got resistance to it"?

this is the kind of shit I have to think about at all times regardless of my alignment bc someone always tries to fucking lim me

I don't know why you would bother caring to think about this as either alignment.

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I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.

ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.

why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.

idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.

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oh, i just remembered i left firebringer out of my reads, he's my top scumread but only because he doesn't want to be townread

Would you mind sharing your actual read of Fire?

He actually top scumreads me and I very much approve of this.

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why would i ever fight u petapan
im ur number one fanboy

even if i scumread u for pushing me i would be like too overcome with fanboyism that id start arguing my role pm must be actually scum and i misread it.

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why would i ever fight u petapan
im ur number one fanboy

even if i scumread u for pushing me i would be like too overcome with fanboyism that id start arguing my role pm must be actually scum and i misread it.

did you just claim town

thats ur imagination.

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ummm i dont know if you missed it but i argued cakez town like 5-6 pages ago.

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The only thing about cakez i agree with is scum cakez pushes things he thinks he can get away with as scum. Other than that, I don't see how town cakez doesn't just bad push you here given:
A) I don't think cakez remembers past games with you
B) I think cakez skims and is prone to make surface level reads/takes and therefore saw u as being "fluffy" and pushes u.

So everything here lines up with Cakez town to me.
He is more prone about giving his opinions that don't look to me like its trying to impress or care what others think. He isn't trying to appeal to anyone in particular. He is just throwing his reads at the wall of this game and doing so badly imo.

Cakez town

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because i don't want to give scum fuckers more ammo to wagon me with?

that seems silly my friend.
scum always have ammo somewhere, they make it up on their own.

u trying to give them less ammo actually just brings more eyes and attention on to u because now it looks like ur deliberately trying to not look sketchy to people. You bring more focus on yourself by being concerned how you are perceived than actually just going with what you think is the right move.

the name of the game is to find the scum.
not don't get eliminated by the scum.

if scum show thier hand making awful pushes on u, u should be glad they did so and be on the lookout for that.
ur mentality with mafia needs work.

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did ari channel her inner taly.
all these bolds are messing with me.

Also i very much could do a mistyx wagon.
VOTE: Mistyx

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my mind tells me MT is probably town.
My gut tells me she writes every post with some sinister plot and is laughing maniacally in her scum PT with her bat wings clapsed together will saying something to the effect of "its all coming together beautifully"

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I'm getting major townie vibes from MT's post. I feel like she's being honest and her thought progression feels natural

Thats what she wants u to think

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My brothers in christ:
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u put me in the wrong category bro

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it would be funny if she was talking about herself when she said "wanna go here rn i think decent odds this is scum struggling to make serious content"

when she made that comment i literally thought it was projection

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Ur 2 cute 2 b bad

Wait until the next time you eat a peanut butter sandwich.
Then u won't think im so innocent.

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Mistyxx is hard town

Thats great and all
I would like to know how.

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Like furtive if mistyx is indeed town that 100% looks like a scum white knight shit u just posted.

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I literally can't fathom someone has mistyx in this game as hard town
Maybe a townread. I would like to know why a townread but "hard town". From literally what?!!?!?!?

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I think you just like to disagree with me

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I think you just like to disagree with me

no she doesnt

Okay she enjoys bullying me like u do.

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maybe its the cat avi that looks like an angry alien that makes me think this but he just feels like he really believes in the things he's saying and he's annoyed we're not listening to him - i can feel the stare of disapproval.

This makes sense

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I don't see how scum don't make those points about the post about Cakez. And actually i would argue the quoted posts of cakez. None are indicative of town Cakez. They are literally like "town entitlement" what even is that? Cakez doesnt want a wagon on him. Duh. He wouldn't want one and he would be upset regardless of alignment here for having a wagon on him.

and he can be genuinely upset and be scum.
Its just throwing an easy read out there with some "analysis"

If this is your very town post by Mistyx, I ask for the next.

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why is it very town

Because if the biggest wagon is pushing scum!me, I'm gonna yeet them off the face of the earth, not credit their good points

Scum defend mislim bait all the time? Are you saying for some reason scum!mistyx is more likely to push town!cakez over the edge on a wagon instead of just hard defend? What is this based of from? Like how you would be?

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What do you see as towny, answering everything with emojis?

What?

I think i have multitude of things I look for.
I go first on trying to understand a player.
What is X mindset, what makes sense for X t odo here as one alignment versus other, etc.

r u just reaction defending and accusing me of low level analysis or what.
If u think any read of mine is undeveloped and bad tell me what they are.

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I'm surprised and slightly bemused that you see actually pro-town things as just 'easy busy work' or whatever, and your townread on Alisae for instance is based on e being rude to you via emojis and something called 'grandson'

I don't think u understand my reads now.

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I am actually null on Alisae right now.

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i mean the last time i mentioned alisae i said e was popping on my radar as scummy. So i don't know why you thought my last read of alisae was town. I don't think i have stated alisae town once in this game? But maybe i did when i was joking around with e.

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ok
I'm facile
bet I'm right

betting you're right on a player being town doesn't mean shit dude, mathematically you're more likely to be right than not - her being town make your logic good you just used bad process and got lucky

like how people think they're good at finding townreads but they're not, they're just succeeding at something they were mathematically favored to win

if you bet on me being scum your always right though.

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Theres this thing in mafia.
Where people start forming what i call "consensus reads"
meaning theres a point in which some reads are taken as truth and while people can have variation in reads for a few things, if someone goes too far out of bounds of what the consensus comes to. They are seen as scummy.

I think Aristeia is right. Furtive looks scummy because he is outside the conesnsus reads territory.
Scum aren't usually ones to depart the consensus, they usually enforce the consensus or try to mold it better.
Is furtive molding consensus or trying to? I Don't think so.

SOOOOOOOO I am going to say i don't have to think about furtive.
Aristeia is probably almost definitely right. Which actually makes her scummy but don't tell her.

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petapan is always a bundle of joy

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I poured a lot of salt on him for good luck

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what would peta even be salty about

That he isn't a cute anime girl

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Scum aren't usually ones to depart the consensus, they usually enforce the consensus or try to mold it better.
Is furtive molding consensus or trying to? I Don't think so.

So you tr furtive because he's not playing like a usual scum would? Noted

I don't know how i would imagine furtive scum game.
Do you think furtive personally as scum goes agaisnt consensus to build his own in the game or goes along with town consnesus that is building.

cause i can tell you i only know a handful of players that as scum will try to demolish an existing consensus to enforce their own. I am not even one of those. That takes a lot of effort skill and finesse I don't have.

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When did furtive demolish the consensus this game?

He hasn't.
I think for you to argue he is scum you have to argue that his game plan is to attempt to do with the reads he is pushing into the game and stances he is taking.

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Aristeia is probably almost definitely right. Which actually makes her scummy but don't tell her.

This is the third time you've talked past Ari rather than at her.

It's hard to take this post as serious when you've been hard defending her all game. What was the point of this post?

Anyone have thoughts on firebringer/ari towncase 917?

The point was saying furtive town.
I added the part about ari scummy as a joke.

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WAIT IS SOMEONE GOING TO SCUMREAD ME FINALLY IN THIS GAME!!!!!!!

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WAIT IS SOMEONE GOING TO SCUMREAD ME FINALLY IN THIS GAME!!!!!!!

Lycan is too late. I already caught the furtive/fire/ari team

True.
You did sus me earlier but I expect an interesting spicy case from Lycanfire now.
I am with high hopes and anticipation.

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cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

post reads

you need to whine and him and dine him first ali in order to get reads.
Smh alisae forgetting the proper order of things

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LEANING TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever

when did this happen btw

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how did mistyx get in ur towncore.