i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Lycanfire]

Hello everybody

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[Lycanfire]

lotta effort folks

VOTE: Enchant

it really was this easy, back in 2022

[Lycanfire]

i expect great things from you

[Lycanfire]

how important is it for you to color slots, tris?

[Lycanfire]

It's more of a question of playstyle or values, I guess.

[Lycanfire]

How compelled do you feel to attribute town feeling and scum feeling to a slot. Do you do this for every slot? Just some?

[Lycanfire]

I don't see how 62 reads any one way or the other and I'm very picky about who I paint green. I'd say that Ythan isn't a very exciting slot for town right now. I'm really not seeing what other people are seeing.

[Lycanfire]

underrated reads

(probably.)

[Lycanfire]

Oh man Frogster did you roll scum? You came in swinging with 4 scumreads and then sort of backed down from 2 of them almost right away

Mmm this pings me as IIoA and maybe out of character for csf because town!csf has townread me before for doing the same thing.

Did you mean some other term over IIoA?

[Lycanfire]

Why to both of those reads?

scum would be concerned about where they put their partners and putting someone on town for no content is hilaribad

pointing attention to it is eating the lemon, you're really the worst person to point it out if ranger is trying to drive discussion with the lemon.

[Lycanfire]

it seemed like analysis to me and there's been plenty of iioa in this thread so to be so up in csf's shit for the play by play was interesting

why should people vote ythan?

[Lycanfire]

saying it's iioa is about the same as saying most posts in a mafia game are iioa. he didn't start speculating about some concept that will let him fart through he game, instead he questioned you. iioa sucks because the person doing it isn't making any worthwhile interactions. by making one it isn't iioa, imo.

[Lycanfire]

Iioa is more what Andree and Enchant were doing on the first few pages. How do you feel about them?

[Lycanfire]

You were eliminated several pages ago, enchant

[Lycanfire]

will contribute more later, my dudes

frog townie
gamma wolfy
i have a read i want to keep to myself for a page or two, poke me on it later.

elements intro wolfy
mcmenno is the kind of person that would claim what he did as scum first thing in the game

entirely possible most wolves have no or zero votes


just gonna park gamma because his AtE was shit and he should know better VOTE: Gamma

feel like ranger put them at the bottom because they're a weak wolf. i don't think the read was very substantive at the time, but small town points either way to them for having a productive read

[Lycanfire]

hi gamma

[Lycanfire]

gamma i have a big problem with you where most of your posts are why we shouldn't kill you, why you aren't scum, why frog is scum or doesn't have a case or where vax is or encouraging people for looking at vax

I said I was gonna avoid meta but this is just comical
I don’t think Elements has ever voted scum!me, but he frequently scumreads town!me

show me a game?

[Lycanfire]

sure, i get it's frustrating to be told most of your posts are on three topics by page 13. a better way to phrase it is i feel like you're caring too much about certain things and putting weight on topics you should know better to avoid.

like i said i feel like you're more capable at town, so if i feel like you're flailing around trying not to catch rope you're probably scum.

one as town and one as scum where elements misreads you please. i'm willing to put in the effort if you are.

[Lycanfire]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633 scumgame
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85416 towngame

Also wdym by topics I should avoid?

Booney is hilarious, elements is pretty pocketed there. Doesn't seem like she was entirely convinced you were town all along, but without reading the pt they seem sure that implying they're town matters to you (meaning, you didn't know that already... so it's an assumption you're town) with the spewing comment.

As for the mini normal she was sheeping someone and then when you talked with her she almost immediately started voting along with you? It's not like she had some built up animosity she was riding.

Topics you should avoid, saying empty posts like we'll all regret killing you. See, I know you didn't use those words, but that's how I'm recalling it. Despite what Elements seemed to think in Mini Normal, I

totally

think you could talk like a stereotypical villain and say stuff like this.

[Lycanfire]

I've been trying to decide whether frogster's earlier post

@all

Also: I hate every single one of you for townreading Gamma for absolutely shit reasons, and you all deserve to lose (and probably will) for not backing me up.

Is fake emotion or genuine. I had a false start by reading a recent game where they were scum... so I kept drinking, err, digging. in large normal 242 he was town, and by all accounts pushy enough, but didn't seem to resort to this kind of AtE. AtE is something that actually seems to trip up frogster. despite being pushy they were pretty open to sheeping and shielding their townreads. They were assertive when they thought they had scum, but they did that in the scumgame too (I was very concerned when they kept flipping town.)

@frogster

do you usually say you hate everyone for not following you on a read?

[Lycanfire]

VOTE: imaginality

autobots let's roll

[Lycanfire]

good job on getting the job xyzzy

[Lycanfire]

when i said in an earlier post that it was possible that scum may have zero votes, i meant posts. my bad

[Lycanfire]

what's on your mind rn ythan?

[Lycanfire]

i feel that

good luck

[Lycanfire]

I was already warned by the mod. All grandstanding can go through the mod.

I really have no intention to discuss pronouns. This is my first game in years. Mistakes are going to happen and they weren't intentional. I'll be double checking my posts from now on.

[Lycanfire]

Sorry to anyone who may have felt hurt or singled out.

I'm sure it can be aggravating if it keeps happening to someone. Again, not intentional.

[Lycanfire]

Lycan, what are your pronouns? You can add them to your profile.

You can call me whatever you want so long as i can follow the conversation

[Lycanfire]

My vote has three main points to it

1) i like a lot of the people on the wagon, so i looked into imaginality. I dont like how they're drawing attention to the 1v1. I've mentioned the concept of "acceptable wagons" in past games. It's been a great scumtell for me when someone tries to magnify two people because it provides great protection to scum.
2) i still like frogster despite my concern about them. I don't like the wagon on them and don't think it's good for the game.
3) vanitying gamma just seemed shit. She should be easy to resolve and isnt going anywhere

[Lycanfire]

The concept of acceptable wagons also has to do with my read i said to poke me on a few pages ago. I felt like Erinys was getting pushed pretty slowly and wanted to see what was going to happen

[Lycanfire]

going to catch up on the last few pages in more detail until then

what's "UTR"?

i would also caution against the whole quoting oneself quoting someone else quoting another person and implying there's a solid preflip association there. i'm okay with someone using preflip associations, but check your own excitement level when the nugget is that far nested into the quote. i'm not sure it does the town or the case any favors.

[Lycanfire]

@frogster do you usually say you hate everyone for not following you on a read?

That's a really loaded question: no, I doubt I've technically used those words before, and yes, I've become angry and heated in almost every single one of my town games and have lashed out in a wide variety of ways at every level of intensity from a fleeting spark to a smoldering ember to the raging inferno of the sun:

viewtopic.php?p=13465206&f=2#p13465206

I had to look more at the game to see why you were banned for that comment. You really were up in luke's shit it seems. Getting there on day 1 was a bit much, though.

AtE is something that actually seems to trip up frogster.

What does this mean?

In mini normal 242 (one of the games I looked through) you scumread StD and Pooky for AtE. Just means you would be self aware and going right into the AtE meant you didn't care if it was subpar play.

Do you feel like you got anything out of it?]

[Lycanfire]

I'm not going to stop with the quoting because between making players confused because they don't understand what I'm referring to (504) and annoying players by increasing the scroll time, I choose being annoying over being confusing. What I will do is start putting self/long/chain quotes in spoiler tags so it's easier to scroll past and I'll give preferential treatment to using post links.

My problem was less about scroll time and more about this post: 472. I find it easy to talk myself into bad reasoning, and that's because I get into a tunnel. I was suggesting you step back if you start quoting yourself, that's all.

[Lycanfire]

@owl

what is your impression of Morning Tweet and Lycanfire rn?

didn't see this earlier, sorry.

i'm inclined to think that tweet is town, mainly because she's questioning people but also giving reasons for questioning them instead of just going "OoOOoO but what if you were wrong??" she's also actively engaged with the game instead of coasting.

lycanfire is very focused on just casting doubt on everything and has about 2 posts of substance (403 and 404). this is typical of their playstyle as an arsonist in this game. viewtopic.php?p=10782486&user_select%5B ... #p10782486
could also be that they're not very invested in the game but at this point i think town!lycan would be putting more solid posts out there, based off viewtopic.php?p=10230168&user_select%5B ... #p10230168
considering the possibility of a lycan/catscratch team.

tl;dr: aw snap

VOTE: Lycanfire

I'm sorry my owl I'm probably never gonna get that level of tryhardy again. I have medication that gives me the dopamine mafia used to give me when I was getting all mentally ill and solvey.

My main reason for playing in this game is because I'm bad at maintaining friendships and I'm lonely.

[Lycanfire]

UNVOTE:

Why Ranger, Titus? Outside of the obvious disagreement what is making you doubt her?

[Lycanfire]

1) yeah, you look for it.
2) could be fake. i think my most tryhardy game ever was as scum and was my only legit scum win. helps narrow down whether owl's an alt.

[Lycanfire]

Wanting to eliminate the claimed mason if really dragging down my morale here, Ranger.

[Lycanfire]

is*

[Lycanfire]

What do you think of this post?

Worth mentioning in relation to Gamma asking to be voted/limmed:

Gonna give y’all a little tip: you might not want to kill me.

I realized the exact reason why this push reeks of bullshit: it’s the same crock of shit Krazy used to pull against me. This sort of “scum!Gamma always reacts this way” comment is one I’m well-acquainted with, and one that imo ensures one of us is scum. So I think today’s vote absolutely SHOULD be between me and Frogsterking.

It’s still not wise to vote me out, unless you want a lot of deaths really fast.

[Lycanfire]

How much analysis do you want? Gamma made a big show about having Elements vote him. It was weird, especially given his quotes earlier in the game. Context matters.

[Lycanfire]

I'm sorry I'm tired, having elements vote her.

[Lycanfire]

I'm gonna turn off avatars maybe that will help

[Lycanfire]

Looking through the page HPE doesn't seem to care about Elements. Just seemed like it dropped a gotcha, but it's a pretty good gotcha considering how easy of a throwaway comment the earlier posts are in RVS.

[Lycanfire]

Looking through the page HPE doesn't seem to care about Elements. Just seemed like it dropped a gotcha, but it's a pretty good gotcha considering how easy of a throwaway comment the earlier posts are in RVS.

I think I finally understand what you were saying, that the scumread was implied in 517 due to the nature of the gotcha. That wasn't really clear to me, because from HPE's posting, I would gather it's townreading Gamma or something.

As for the gotcha itself, I think Gamma noticed that Titus was softing masons with imaginality (463) and then decided to jump in the proverbial line of fire. Does it have more meaning to you?

Good point. Looks LAMIST. Let's consider two consequences

1) If nobody else realized it, now they surely would (this happened)
2) Titus would feel even more assured that the original comment was onto her eventual claim.

If Gamma wants to whiteknight imaginality that hard, they should be pretty convinced they're town, which is easy if they know they're town. If Gamma just wanted to tip their hat to Titus and get some mutual reads going, she could have been more subtle about it. Being as obvious as they were in hindsight it was pretty much guaranteed Titus would claim

something

because Titus already said too much, but it's only townie if Titus is the one to help expose her own role.

[Lycanfire]

My issue is that none of y’all seem to actually give a shit about any specific vote to pull the others back/stay when the others move

At the very least I feel a bit better about your post 882 after this.

I think Ythan's a bad vote right now. Who else would you go for?

[Lycanfire]

I've been waiting for someone else to point it out, but frogster keeps making comments like 'the town needs to stick together' and comes up with town blocs/speaks about the necessity of town blocs (not just one.) Goes from seeing himself as super best friends with Titus to not in the span of 21 posts. I've found the third party read of Ythan cute, but at this point I'm sure this game is multiball.

I've been waiting awhile to say that. I can't find the game in my history so I must have played it on another account, but I've had a game where both scum groups outted themselves hard day 1 because they couldn't shut up about multiball. The sooner it was mentioned, the more likely the wolf.

[Lycanfire]

Hello George do you have any reads, any posts you found interesting

I won't bite

[Lycanfire]

George is online

[Lycanfire]

well this thread exploded

who wants to catch up with me

[Lycanfire]

Agreed re. Titus that frogster wants to live and probably isn't a jester. Whether Ranger is a jester is a different matter. I feel like based on who Ranger is she could get eliminated d1 pretty easily without their theory. Here's how I see a jester!Ranger playing

1) Ranger plays up paranoia about whether they're town or not
2) Ranger stitches themselves to a scummy player
3) Ranger slips somehow

Wouldn't they lay the ground work prior to mid day 1 where they instead try to shout down a mason claim? Not really the scenario I see jester!Ranger in.

[Lycanfire]

Also, isn't jester a super easy role. I imagine any jesters would be gated to a specific day (probably day 1 or the jester risks getting killed, but that's an interesting trade off). There's a good chance any jester will get removed from the game.

[Lycanfire]

3p hunting is probably just coded crap for otherball hunting. i was humoring frogster for awhile because i thought they might have role like the vintage psychologist role that would basically inform him of the 3p.

[Lycanfire]

Guess which player was the first to bring multiball up, in their very first post[/post].

This peaked my interest too, but my perception of that post was that Quiet Owl was covering all their bases. A particular kind of person writes a post the way they did and that kind of person really would detail every scenario. Though, that particular kind of person could also giggle at the other term by mentioning the word multiball, I suppose.

[Lycanfire]

Guess which player was the first to bring multiball up, in their very first post[/post].

This peaked my interest too, but my perception of that post was that Quiet Owl was covering all their bases. A particular kind of person writes a post the way they did and that kind of person really would detail every scenario. Though, that particular kind of person could also giggle at the other

team

by mentioning the word multiball, I suppose.

bolded my correction

not sure if i feel owl i've been wavering as if i go for them they're just gonna flip town and i'm gonna feel dumb

[Lycanfire]

CSF: Why is Frogster town? Did I miss a post of yours?

I think Frogs & Gamma are both town. I feel pretty good about calling Frogs town at this point based on my understanding of his scumrange, and Gamma is more of a vibe read

& scumrange, cont with a metacase from another game

Spoiler: post 760

I would believe this if he wasn’t continually circling back to the same few central ideas. When my thought process runs wild, it becomes completely erratic.

He's town and tunneled on you & Titus scum. That's why he keeps coming back to the same central ideas.

615 it may be fair but it doesn't make sense as an excuse as they've "engaged" the game this way on all days, not just Christmas.

I didn't like her recent pop in fwiw

This seems like a really wild take and it is also something I might expect from town Titus maybe. I was wondering if it was a bad look for Chungus and Dragons to be refusing to vote each other in the way that they are.

This is a sample even though we found each other fast that game. Town!Frogster expects "off the wall" takes from my perspective. He still engages even when I FoS him. In fact my off the wall take was based off VCA, which I could have included in my case here.

You're reading the games very differently right now, so it makes sense for Frogster to naturallya be suspicious of you. Hence, he's also treating you differently & engaging differently. Have you played with Scum!Frogster? (Actually, do you remember my meta towncase on him in LOST?) I think he's far out of his scum comfort zone here.

I think all 3 of {Frogs, Gamma, Titus} are town, and this continued back and forth is damaging to the game state.

i'm at page 41 and i would like to see him dead right now. why is VOTE: frogsterking a bad vote?

[Lycanfire]

also, goes without saying that i think we should recall frogster and let the replacements deal with it. i don't think it's productive for the game if he peaces out to friday unless he has personal reasons vs. game reasons for not posting.

[Lycanfire]

I townread Morning Tweet and Erinys. StD seems good. Damn Ythan, you really pissed off a good crowd.

[Lycanfire]

972-973 is pretty bad. I didn't have a problem with the Tris slot other than taking awhile to answer my early game question.

987 at this point I was feeling like he was going for anything that would stick.

The concept of elim pools goes back to:
793 - Quiet Owl/Ythan/Furtive/George
799 - Ythan/furtive/George
847 - Furtive/Quiet Owl/Ythan/George
then 972 this erodes to Mathblade per "policy" which reads more like personal vendetta and can't possibly be a real argument

Let's look at the vote counts:

Spoiler: scroll of doom

votecount 1.09

boxing day?

4 players voting for imaginality (furtiveglance, Ranger, Lycanfire, HighPrincessErinys)
4 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality)
3 players voting for Ranger (Titus, Gamma Emerald, Quiet Owl)
2 players voting for Elements (Save The Dragons, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 players voting for furtiveglance (tris, Elements)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Titus (Frogsterking)

6 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Enchant, Morning Tweet, GeorgeBailey)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes: Vaxkiller and Tapiocaphobe have 24 hours from this vote count to post or be replaced. prodding Morning Tweet and Enchant.

tris has requested a replacement.

gonna edit a vote count into this post later.

votecount 1.10

Spider-Man is best known for his trusty hammers, which he uses to kill the Joker

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
4 players voting for furtiveglance (tris, Morning Tweet, Save The Dragons, Frogsterking)
3 players voting for imaginality (Ranger, Lycanfire, HighPrincessErinys)
1 player voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever)

7 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Enchant, GeorgeBailey, Gamma Emerald, Elements)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes:

votecount 1.11

since vote count 1.10 was edited into the post, you probably didn't see the flavor text to that one. you may check it now if you'd like, or you can not bother if you'd prefer. no sweat either way

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
6 players voting for Ythan (Elements, Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 players voting for furtiveglance (tris, Frogsterking)
1 player voting for imaginality (Ranger)
1 player voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)

6 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Enchant, GeorgeBailey, Lycanfire)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes: prodding GeorgeBailey and Not_Mafia.

VOTECOUNT

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
4 players voting for Ythan (Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys)
4 players voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking, Elements, Ranger)
1 players voting for furtiveglance (tris)
1 player voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)

the only reason i'm not switching my vote to frog right now is because i am well aware that i am being pressured. so i'm going to do the evaluation that i should have done ages ago, and then decide from there.

You have nothing to offer me Owl unless you're willing to help kill furtive.

what a transparent attempt at intimidation.

votecount 1.12

I've actually spent a lot of time on Drury Lane and I never once saw this so-called "muffined man"

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
4 players voting for Ythan (Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys)
3 players voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, Elements)
2 players voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever, Ranger)
2 players voting for MathBlade (Frogsterking, Enchant)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)

5 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Lycanfire, MathBlade)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes:

# of players in the pool showing up in wagons: 3 (Ythan, Quiet Owl, Furtive)

Players voting frogster's pool:
Furtive (tris, Elements, Morning Tweet, Save The Dragons, Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever)
Ythan (Elements, Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever)
Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking, Elements, Ranger)

Interestingly, Frogster never voted for Ythan outside of RVS. I guess calling them 3p is good cover to not vote them, but it never seemed like they were serious about this slot. Ythan's replacement pending posted: 842

p-edit added CSF to Furtive list

[Lycanfire]

I'll read your meta argument CSF, but my impression is that this slot is scum and it's making me question why I ever townread the slot at all. Probably because I was questioning if I was frogster's alt when I was doing a small meta dive myself on them.

[Lycanfire]

I'm curious, what's to stop frogster from emulating your tells (aggressive townblocking, changing reads on a fly, activity)? Or, for you to coach him and let him run amok and rein everyone back in after he's had his fun? Your previous reads are

SO VERY SPECIFIC

to his play in this game.

Sometimes scums are just hungry for a breakout game. in [url=viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78725]large normal 218[/post] I metadove and profiled every single player including my teammates as scum because I was determined to puppetmaster the hell out of the fucking game. Up until this point none of my scum wins felt like they were worth anything. You gave him a roadmap, that's something that's really only good once. Will his slot continue to resolve further for you?

[Lycanfire]

I'll agree large normal 238

is

massively different for frogster. his play can be summed up as a tunnelfuck. he never seemed to try to townbloc outside of his "if you want a pure wagon" comment.

[Lycanfire]

this meta read smells FRESH



i'll read through it later because i'm a tease and must sleep

[Lycanfire]

Ranger: if Gamma were scum she would have blabbed it in scumchat. Unless SK or traitor. Frankly at a 10p neighbourhood I think day 2 is a good time to reveal it to the game thread. It's so big that it's gotta have scum in it. Seems pro-town to me. What's up?

[Lycanfire]

Ultimategamer: I have the seventh highest post count in the game. Got anything off me?

Is quiet owl really town just off 230?

[Lycanfire]

prodge, will be in a distracted state for the next few hours but available to talk when i am here

[Lycanfire]

I don't expect people to really care but I was dealing with personal problems while my job is currently up as a posting so

It's been a week

Anyways, sorry for saying I'd be here then just disappearing.

[Lycanfire]

prodge, will be in a distracted state for the next few hours but available to talk when i am here

What's your thoughts on kitten and McMenno?

Looking back kitten around is pretty sus as hell. We literally let kitten around just chainsaw quiet owl all eod1, it's their entire content but it was such a clusterfuck nobody called them on it. I'll grab some quotes, but I'd say this slot is way scummier over Quiet Owl, but reads s-s. Let me refresh myself.

I’ve been trying to stay caught up with this game but explain to me how this is getting votes? This reads like a transparently townie thought process.

Mathblade brought attention back to the Multiball tell Ranger and I were discussing d1, but kitten around is the one that wants to step in to defend quiet owl's honor? What threat did Mathblade really present to Quiet Owl here and is his 1008 really that narrative building that kitten around needed to inject themselves into this?

I don’t understand why thinking it could be multiball is bad? Anything and everything is possible in an Xyzzy game. I’ve seen alignment changes and jesters in some of their past games for example, so I think game being not only bastard but mech complex is quite likely.

Bonus round:
[In response to frogsterking suspecting over Quiet Owl in 1055]

You seem very tunnelled and you’re ignoring really blatant things like Titus saying Imaginality was mod confirmed.

Sure, this was a good take d1, but kitten was using this easy to digest take to kneecap something COMPLETELY irrelevant wrt Frogster's 1055. It's cool just how heavily they believed the mason idea though at the end of the page:

Kittens go ahead and post a reads list whenever your ready.

I don’t have a full list yet but rn

my strongest town reads are on the mason claims, STD, MT.

I’m sorry I don’t have any more confident reads yet.

Holy fuck the fear is real

Potential partners - Quiet Owl and Ythan (UltimateGamer) are up there. Pretty extensive defenses of both of these slots when they were possible wagons d1.

Let's goo VOTE: kitten around


McMenno - disliked them the entire game probably because I knew they'd be low content. Their post about how this is possibly still multiball is annoying because Frogster flipping as he did is supposed to help our ability to read players, not hinder it. I think scumreading them just because I disagree is pretty low, but they're not really offering much content anyway. Kitten around vote lacks harmony with their quiet owl read, and it seems survivalistic, but McMenno is probably the silly kind of town player that would do something scummy as some sort of sick idea of looking town.

Anyways, thanks for trying to drag me back into the game. You're a good doll.

[Lycanfire]

At the risk of sounding like Gamma Emerald sounding out every obvious role subtlety

Somebody (probably Ranger just by post volume) said they had a theory about Titus' role wording. The theory is that Titus may be a neighbour with alignment confirmation is because there's potential for alignment changes in this game right? Otherwise, calling someone a mason is very bastard if they could be converted (the nice bastard way of handling this would have any alignment changes fail on a mason IMO).

Also these roles are comedy gold. Does Xyzzy ever create really shitty town roles?

[Lycanfire]

Refuse is a pretty strong word

Anyway, how you play with NM is looking at how other players treat NM in each game.

[Lycanfire]

Frankly, I considered it was possible that kitten saw QO as inevitable and was tmi'ing QO, the sheer frequency of defenses made me wonder if scum would be so obvious.

The Ythan slot seems promising too. I'd really lim anyone in {kitten, UltimateGamer, Quiet Owl}, would definitely vote someone like enchant before NM or McMenno.

Ranger resistance to the wagon is bizarre as is Math's "wanting to get the scum scum don't want us to get" comment is too. Not sure if trolling or building a narrative.

[Lycanfire]

also ultimategamer did you get a read on me yet

lol

[Lycanfire]

also- find it very hard to believe biancospino role :^)

[Lycanfire]

I view myself as the NK, of course Im going to say unbelievable role is unbelievable.

[Lycanfire]

Two questions. Why, and why

the

?

I expect kitten team to kill me, not so much anyone else.

[Lycanfire]

Not to be that person but this setup was designed. Meaning Xyzzy put some thought into it. I'm sure there's important pieces of the puzzle scattered throughout the game.

[Lycanfire]

If you're resigned you totally go out in a blaze of glory and rolefish with a claim. I think kitten thought they'd be saved, but wasn't. The lack of claiming was to prolong day, that's all.

[Lycanfire]

When this flips scum, keep the above post in mind tomorrow.

[Lycanfire]

Of which there were multiple, yeah. I guess we need to determine the tipping point on kitten. I think most of the scum votes would be there and the ones to watch. I'm wondering how productive it is to look now versus the thread getting locked. We both could if you want a good chance at there being a voice tomorrow that would bring it up.

[Lycanfire]

yeah it's important we hide info from the serial killers in the game

[Lycanfire]

[Lycanfire]

Okay it's easy to look at vote counts and I expect you (CSF) to start there first so to be economical with our time I'm instead going to look at frequency of discussion as a marker. This also makes a lot more accessible to find fishy posts and votes that don't make it to an official VC.

This will be somewhat arbitrary as I discount references for being too weak or handwavy in terms of comments. I'll count an

interaction

with Kitten Around as a discussion marker so long as it is game related and not as pointless as "how is the weather?" because this will give us a good idea of when discussion peaks and becomes centralized. From there, we can move backwards to some of the more obvious movements and try to reason where scum would be feeling the heat more.

Legend $MENTION &INTERACTION
Milestones
Jan 08 - [$0 &0] - Start of Day 2. Nothin'
Jan 09 - [$2 &5] - 1 mention (Ranger moves UltimateGamer above Kitten Around - counting as 1 despite 2 posts), 1 interaction (Elements positive reinforcement of KA read;), 1 interaction (Erinys making neutral/challenging comment regarding KA Titus read;), 1 interaction (Mathblade doubtcasting whether KA discussion on masons is protown), 1 interaction (Ranger encourages KA Titus read), 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson doubtcasting KA mason discussion), 1 mention (Quiet Owl read list, KA in town)

Just going to drop and move while I have time before the thread locks, expect it all in one post at the end if possible.

[Lycanfire]

Was busy texting, soz

Jan 10 - [$17 &0] - 1 mention (CSF drops a few reads, KA as scum.), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson basically +1's previous post), 1 mention (Erinys asking CSF to elaborate KA read), 1 mention (CSF isodives KA, responds to Erinys previous post), 1 mention (2 hours after previous post- CSF asks what people about opinion of KA, between the pages people were talking about Titus SB and McMenno miller roles), 1 mention (Gimli responds to CSF and it essentially boils down to 'nullscum'), 1 mention (Mathblade not happy that discussion moved from Titus, doesn't want McMenno, could go for KA), 1 mention (CSF responds to Gimli read, says the reason they feel KA is nullscum is why KA is scum), 1 mention (furtive involves themselves in CSF-Gimli discussion, says KA is nullscum, asks for reads on myself/Paterson), 1 mention (CSF responds to Furtive, says KA had more conviction in another game and KA's inaction here is why they're busted.), 1 mention (CSF responding to Titus asking about a McMenno vote, says they're indifferent, reservations about miller, wants to see who's down for QO and KA), 1 mention (Mathblade re: previous post, "Down for either"), 1 mention (CSF votes kitten around), 1 mention (Titus re: previous post, "not kitten fine with owl"), 1 mention (Erinys re: previous post, "This one is willing to go for McMenno, QO and somewhat Kitten"), 1 mention (Mathblades votes KA), 1 mention (Titus re: Erinys. Asks it to vote McMenno, says even if

disagree with kitten,

dual wagons are good

*), 1 mention (CSF re: Titus, "why not KA" says Titus' read of town d1 lim will allow inactive scums to allow TvT allows for possibility of KA), 1 mention (Titus re: previous post, gut vibe KA is town), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson votes KA),

* A good marker here to look for countervoting and doubtcasting as Titus basically gave people permission. 1661
###No. Of discounted Titus interactions: 2 (fell into "hows the weather" category where she was explaining basic stuff to KA)

[Lycanfire]

Jan 11 - [$ &1] - 1 mention (Gimli responds with frustration wrt to Mathblade only talking about Titus, says they want to talk about Erinys, KA, "other slots", asks Mathblade to discuss it with them.), 1 mention (Titus encourages Gimli post to Mathblade), 1 mention (Erinys prompts me to talk about KA/McMenno), 1 interaction (CSF asks KA why "one of Mathblade/Paterson" is scum, also says they think they're town), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, doesn't "HATE the KA wagon", says they're null, pretty big post about Titus/imaginality and how they're their preference), 1 mention (McMenno votes KA), 1 mention (Ranger, "strong distaste for McMenno, KA wagons", suggests Gamma->QO->Titus/imaginality), 1 mention (Ranger responds to second post of Jan 10, calls CSF's assessment harsh, says KA has contributed)***, 1 mention (Gimli mentions multiball may be obscuring their reads on people 'wolfy but reasonable', "like kitten/UG/princess/owl", pedit responds to Ranger saying they also do not want to flip KA today), 1 mention (Ranger, doesn't like the "top two wagons" (McMenno, KA), 1 mention (Ranger adds to previous KA post, says their activity level seems consistent with other games), 1 mention (CSF responds re: ranger, says of scum will try to have reads, dislikes that KA has very few townreads), 1 mention (CSF re: ranger. says in the game Ranger referenced that KA was only in the game for 48 hours), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA, makes a reference to their ISO), 1 mention (CSF, says KA and QO are good competing wagons), 1 mention (Mathblade likes both QA/KA wagons, but also likes Ranger not being for KA)

** Early Jan 11 Gimli says they didn't like any of the wagons 1776
*** Interestingly, one of KA's "relevant commentary" posts that Ranger likes is just a blank post discussing multiball, which frogster took issue with because both KA and QO were just greasing the thread about multiball d1
**** Another milestone: Mathblade, "wanna protest wagon with me?" 1782

[Lycanfire]

above post is $15, &1 in terms of $MENTION &INTERACTION. I hit ctrl z instead of ctrl x when moving the next days over to my next post

[Lycanfire]

Jan 12 - [$14 &6] - 1 mention (Lycanfire re: Erinys. Didn't like KA/QO, didn't like how KA was responding to frogsterking, didn't like KA's reads, votes KA), 1 interaction (CSF, re: KA, "what did you do in the hood that I should be town reading you for?"), 1 interaction (CSF, re: KA. reiterates their previous posts about their topical reads/activity/conviction, dislikes that KA didn't answer previous post about why Math/Paterson has a scum in them), 1 interaction (CSF re: KA, tells KA they don't really care if they aren't convincing KA that KA is scum, but asks KA to acknowledge whether any of the reads seem legitimate), 1 mention (imaginality, likes Ranger QO/Gamma reads, views KA as a potential partner, says QO has higher scum equity), 1 mention (Gimli, doesn't view KA as townie, asks for opinions on UltimateGamer), 1 interaction (Gimli re: KA 1 interaction (Gimli asks KA about Ythan/UltimateGamer slot), 1 mention (Erinys, votes KA, encourages CSF/Lycanfire reads on KA, wants any of QO/KA). 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson, questions KA on what unpopular read they feel like they are being strung up for), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, responds to furtive 1819, doesn't like trajectory on McMenno, thinks Furtive is townie(? wording is unclear) for asking that question, likes KA/feels they're genuine/likes their attempt at VCA), 1 mention (Titus, comparing QO's vote count where they both take a look at the competing wagons of KA/QO), 1 mention (CSF, asks UltimateGamer/Gimli to vote KA, thinks QO refusing to claim is townie), 1 mention (CSF +1's Paterson's post questioning KA), 1 mention (CSF, asks NM to read KA and help lim them), 1 mention (Gimli, votes KA), 1 mention (NM re: CSF, says they will hammer), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, has the opposite opinion of Paterson/CSF on KA 1822, says they will look into KA), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, follows up with isodive. concludes its nulltown. disagrees with Math/Paterson reads but seems unconcerned that they're dodging (1) why KA scumreads them and (2) what unpopular read is getting them strung up? feels like they are trying to not look like a partner and failing tbh), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, rather rude post to NM asks about KA/QO/ any townreads/scumreads, sure I guess they have never played with NM but treating NM like shit won't really do anything)

***** Furtive brings attention to McMenno 1819 I disliked this post because it seemed like people were interested in them because they claimed miller, but were voting them because of perceived coasting
****** I feel the nothingburger response to Gimli 1836 has negative partner equity. if I were a teammate of KA I'd be pissed if i set them up to create content and they responded like this. sure, there's a chance it's a negative partner equity post on purpose, but that would mean two things - 1) KA team has given up on the slot, and I'm not sure if the game state reads this way and 2) Gimli is a bus slot. Simpler take is that they're not scumpartners.

####No. of ignored NM mentions: 1. meme post.

[Lycanfire]

just more thread stuffing before eod

I'll compromise to Not_Mafia to save kitten around, but I'd prefer we actually make a meaningful elimination and not let the likes of {Quiet Owl, Gamma Emerald} get away free just because the most suspect slots in the game are united in voting kitten around and have a few town players who think kitten around is scum

with

the suspect slots in spite of the suspect slots voting kitten around.

The kitten around wagon is garbage and filled with logical inconsistencies. Its momentum is unnatural, and I guarantee it'll be just another Frogsterking.

Spoiler: Vote count at Ranger post

6 players voting for kitten around (Cat Scratch Fever, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Lycanfire, Titus)
5 players voting for Quiet Owl (MathBlade, UltimateGamer, Ranger, imaginality, HighPrincessErinys)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia)
2 players voting for McMenno (furtiveglance, kitten around)
2 player voting for Not_Mafia (Gimli, Elements)
1 player voting for Cat Scratch Fever (Enchant)

3 players not voting (Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, KittyTacky)

with 20 votes, it takes 11 to eliminate.

but the above vote count has a high amount of towns from Ranger's last tier list (admittedly at start a day, but the reiterations they have made in RL days since then is just a whole lotta tunnelfucking

Spoiler: Ranger last tier list

{HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Prince of Paterson, Gimli}
{Lycanfire}
{KittyTacky}
{Elements}
{UltimateGamer}
{McMenno}
{kitten around}
{Not_Mafia, Enchant, GeorgeBailey}
{furtiveglance}
{Quiet Owl}
{Gamma Emerald}
---
{Titus, imaginality}

Leans more town than scum intersected with KA wagon at time of post:
6 players voting for kitten around (

Cat Scratch Fever, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Lycanfire

, Titus)

Also- I thought Titus was 3p, Ranger?

[Lycanfire]

Jan 13 - [$9 &3] - 1 mention (Titus brings focus to UltimateGamer/1887 which TBH is rolefishy as fuck, says UltimateGamer treatment of Owl doesn't match their votes on Owl, says KA is a good partner of UltimateGamer, votes KA), 1 mention (Elements, votes KA), 1 mention (Ranger, will "compromise on NM to save kitten around", says the most suspect slots in the game are voting KA, and won't let QO/Gamma get away because of it.

bonus: vote count interacted with reads in above post

, says KA wagon is garbage, filled with inconsistencies, will be "another frogsterking"), 1 mention (Kittytacky, says KA is town, votes Quiet Owl), 1 mention (Furtive, says QO/KA looks town based on meta, still believes in McMenno scum, nulls NM but efforts a bit and says they seem off, seems to vote them to do something other than QO/KA), 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson tells KA for the third time to answer their post [KA now responds 2 posts later]), 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson, disagrees with KA take, says they're scummy because they aren't scumhunting, points out that someone that says they have scum voting them they aren't explaining why any of them are scum.), 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson, asks KA why McMenno is scum voting them. in 1967 KA says they didn't have confident scumreads but they do now, but seems to admit they have no reasoning on McMenno in 1980), 1 mention (CSF, townreads Titus post regarding UG/QO/KA), 1 mention (Furtive re CSF, says they read CSF case and didn't agree, makes a post to re-evaluate later), 1 interaction (Ranger, says to kitten "As a general rule, a player who fits as scum with everyone is scum with no one. People keep saying you're scum with everyone, when..."), 1 mention (Furtive, thinks CSF makes a good point re: KA and their lack of consistent scumreads, says myself/Lycanfire is "sensationalist" wrt to KA, doesn't like how i vote KA despite the s-s KA/QO comment, thinks KA suspecting McMenno is fine because McMenno didn't give a reason for their vote, but neither did KA other than a cryptic "scum on my wagon" post , still thinks KA is town, CSF/Paterson townpushes on KA, myself/Lycanfire scumpush on KA), 1 mention (QO re CSF on readspost, says their 1440 is still current, KA still in town), 1 mention (CSF re: furtive, says KA likes town and should have more conviction whereas the other lurkers don't really do much anyway)

******** Feel like Ranger/ 1931 is another good point in time to look for countering
********* Furtive post 2037 has potential for intentional countering

#####No. of discarded Gimli interactions: 1. Probably a misquote when they voted NM.

[Lycanfire]

Jan 14 - [$19 &3] - 1 mention (Titus re: Gimli on enchant, will look into them. asked Gimli on what they think of KA/UltimateGamer), 1 mention (Gimli, says UG ISO looks very townie, says they will ISO KA and get back to her...*** 1 interaction (Gimli, says Frogster called kitten TMIing QO day 1), 1 interaction (bianocospino, remarks there's dissonance between what KA was saying d1 wrt QO.), 1 mention (Gimli, re: bianocospino "that's the part where he catches her yeah"), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson, asks Gimli why they previously called the wagon garbage, what is changing their mind on KA), 1 mention (Gimli re: Paterson, +1's biancospino's post and says their first ISO looked more innocuous), 1 mention (Erinys votes KA, says vigs can take care of lurkers), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson, says vote is not leaving KA until lim. asks for people to get more votes on KA. says it's rare for all scum to be in the lurkers), 1 mention (biancospino votes KA), 1 mention (Elements votes KA), 1 mention (Gimli, "very likely KA flips scum", says defense of QO d1 does not come from town), 1 mention (Quiet owl re: Titus doesn't like how UltimateGamer is treating {Gamma, KA} differently from themselves), 1 mention (Mathblade questions dissonance in Gimli's KA-QO reads****), 1 interaction (Gimli, puts the d1 quotes together. KA seems very uninterested in QO's 906 but is willing to say it's townie despite not seeming to read it - granted, QO was talking about multiball in other posts

but that was a good 10-12 posts AFTER KA liked QO for doing mod meta??

), 1 mention (Mathblade, "I can see a KA+QO team I just would rather get who scum don’t want."), 1 mention (imaginality votes KA), 1 mention (Ranger, Gimli town, KA town, "The majority of the wagon's voters are still suspect"), 1 mention (Ranger, re: Gimli says it makes more sense to flip Owl first if we want to assume KA TMI'ed Owl? Says kitten is town, "quite strongly"), 1 mention (QO, questions Gimli re: KA TMI. asks why Gimli thinks KA had TMIed QO when it's an easier conclusion to come to that both KA and QO are scum), 1 mention (CSF asks QO to vote KA, asks if they have a read on the slot), 1 mention (Gimli, says QO isn't understanding their posts and asks them to vote KA), 1 mention (Lycanfire, says a preference in kitten around as I felt they could be TMIing QO with the hard d1 defense, would lim any {ultimategamer, QO, KA}, doubting reasons for ranger and math to be resistant to the wagon)

*** At this point I realized I made a mistake with my previous comment when Gimli said they ISOed KA when they voted KA two days previous, they were referring to KA's ISO in another game that CSF was referencing. I was excited that I perhaps caught something interesting here, but I misunderstood the original comment. I'll try to amend that when I reformat the post.
**** This is something furtive questioned me on as well. I think it's entirely possible that KA was cashing in on a townflip owl d1 and tmiing the fuck out of them to look good, simply by how hard they went for it. Gimli put all the quotes together here
#####No. discarded biancospino interactions: 1. Felt like it was fluffy role stuff
#####No. discarded McMenno interactions: 1. Not relevant to gameplay

[Lycanfire]

Jan 15 - [$20 &0] - 1 mention (Quiet Owl doesn't see how defending a townie helps a scum player, still votes KA), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, reconciles Titus' read regarding conflicting NM/McMenno reads, says they just disliked NM and wanted a lim, doesn't feel comfortable with KA, interesting language about self doubt, "something in my jellies is telling me that this is wrong", fading scumread on QO, votes Enchant, says Gimli is buddying them, doesn't like it, adds further doubt to KA wagon by saying being asked to vote along with Gimli "raised the hair on the back of my neck" and "rubbed them wrong", slight scumread on myself/Lycanfire), 1 mention (Ranger, prods for inconsistency re: CSF's QO "not claiming" read), 1 mention (Ranger elaborates previous comment, less side-swipey, more meat), 1 mention (biancospino asks Erinys which posts in the hood they're scumreading KA over), 1 mention (Furtive says hello and says they still think KA is town), 1 mention (Gimli encourages Enchant to vote KA), 1 mention (Gimli mentions they have some indecision on KA AtE, says majority of play is scum, questions Furtive on KA townread), 1 mention (Gimli, really just posting votes, but definitely keeps the wagon in consideration by doing so), 1 mention (Enchant votes KA), 1 mention (Kittytacky promises a catch up, wanted to say they think KA is town), 1 mention (Furtive re: Gimli. Says they townread KA emotion... but I don't see it??? The only mention of KA emotion is when Furtive said it was a reasonable take to be paranoid about scum on your own wagon?), 1 mention (Furtive, scumreads McMenno/Lycanfire, didn't like Elements vote on KA, asked Gimli if they have changed their mind on McMenno or if they scumread KA more), 1 mention (Gimli confirms they scumread KA more, really nothing new here Gimli has been repeating why for awhile), 1 mention (Gimli, says the only townie looking post of KA that Furtive brought up was from another game, could see KA emotions as genuine), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA), 1 mention (Elements votes KA), 1 mention (Enchant votes KA), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA), 1 mention (NM hammers KA)

#####No. discarded Ranger comments: 1. Felt like it was just matter of facty

eh i spent long enough on this i think people can make their own conclusions gonna go life for awhile

[Lycanfire]

It all looks rather silly on a KA townflip but otherwise I've negated several partners just by how they've treated the slot and created many must kill townies, pointed numerous people that will get my pressure tomorrow and nobody can really say I have some weird trajectory going on because I unnecessarily locked myself into it in twilight, not to mention I didn't exactly feel like I'd be around tomorrow. That was more because I felt like I was at the tipping point of the wagon where nothing else was sticking afterward, but other voices (CSF, Paterson, later Gimli) are more of a reason why McMenno/NM/QO didn't happen. I really don't act like this as scum: people tend to think my town efforting is some elaborate narrative building because it can seem intense. I have a hard time replicating it as scum because my play as town is meant to be optimal even if it creates cracks in my scumgame. You can reference large normal 218 if you like for a tryhardy scum game, but honesty it was just me metadiving every single player and squirting narrative out of my ass.

The reason why I wanted you to state a read on my UltimateGamer is because I wanted to lock you into something at that point in time. Really harms you if you're scum, you see.

[Lycanfire]

Can someone explain to me what garbled unformatted mess that Lycan keeps posting is, why I'm expected to care about it and why Gimli seems to think this sort of 'effort' is a reason for a townread?

It's more like reference material NM. I don't expect anyone to do anything with it today.

[Lycanfire]

pagetop

[Lycanfire]

Lycanfire, can you give your conclusions maybe?

What do you want to know about it? Partners, towns? I feel like the latter is easier to coax out of the posts than the former. We need the flip and night to start completing the picture.

I suppose it was getting pretty obvious that I don't like {UG, QO -- Mathblade, Ranger} maybe with a touch of {KittyTacky, yourself}. biancospino both helped and harmed the wagon, and I have some reasons to suspect them in isolation from KA. Ranger might very well be right on Titus and imaginality, but it isn't something I've really been touching because Ranger hasn't been helping town this day, and this is something both UG and KA have been

hard

on trying to figure out. Elements is kinda everywhere. Also, somehow George Bailey is only now asking for replacement. Congrats, you got me to sus half the playerlist, i guess. Like I said earlier in the game I don't put people in town pretty easily although I'm having an easier time this game than usual tbh, even if it doesn't look like it.

[Lycanfire]

Kind of hard for me to develop reads on NM, McMenno and Enchant. I want more info, but I think Enchant is the worst among them because they have shown they could have a protown agenda but doesn't seem to give a fuck.

[Lycanfire]

The town are a lot more certain-
{CSF, Paterson, Gimli}
{Erinys}
intentional line break
{Elements, Kittytacky, NM}
{Mathblade}
{GeorgeBailey, Titus, imaginality}
{McMenno, Enchant, Ranger=Furtive} intentional equal sign
{biancospino, Quiet Owl}
{UltimateGamer, KA}

I had better feelings of Kittytacky and Mathblade earlier in the day, redeemable slots.

[Lycanfire]

I got the job

[Lycanfire]

VOTE: Ranger

Did more thinking and Ranger is always scum or scum siding town here. Discuss

[Lycanfire]

Going to guess it kills someone that is town in the neighbourhood, but it isn't very well worded. I'd like to know too. That also means it's possible we had a save/stop/double kill.

[Lycanfire]

Ultimategamer seemed more like mislimbait than Ranger anyway.

Didn't really bother to read Ranger's replies much because I disliked how they retconned their distaste for KA wagon by saying it was because of the frogster commons

Also the admission of lying about certainty. That is ONLY ever good for information. Strongarming a true lim over another one is scummy as hell.

And claiming some sort of fatalistic attitude because of who her main is is also gross. I've wanted to power lynch her before on that account and gotten burned by them being town, so I've been trying to collaborate with Ranger instead this game.

I guess you could say I did read their posts I guess just my brain was saying scum the whole time.

VOTE: Ranger

[Lycanfire]

Yeah qo post at sod sucked so bad it almost seemed intentional, "hey i made a super bad post therefore i cant be scum because scum wouldnt be so bad" territory. Too many layers to that onion. Csf was the towniest player in the game going into night.

[Lycanfire]

The problem with the Ranger gimmick is that she isn't doing it anymore. Can only keep up the act so long if you're scum.

[Lycanfire]

Sorry that you feel disrespected. I probably read more into your posts than most people did, though.

I found you very annoying before whatever influence took over you. I just chose to work with you rather than against you.

Right now I need a compelling case to lim someone over you. I don't think trying to excuse past behaviour is ever going to happen. We have a flip here Ranger. Someone here has to smell.

[Lycanfire]

Yeah sorry not good enough. Just do as you've done before and just sort people on the recent pages. Suggesting you have to throw out the entirety of day 2 and start again stinks.

[Lycanfire]

I don't have a concern about your reads as much as I have a concern HOW you shared them. Your continual popping in to shade the entire wagon wasn't pro-town. It was agenda based.

[Lycanfire]

My only complaint is that I feel like you're trying to start a pity party and we're all invited here. My mind is open if you find a nugget.

[Lycanfire]

So far you've really given us nothing. That's a valid complaint. Sure, QO looks bad. I've agreed with you on that all game. Saving us the RVS commentary would have helped.

You need to know when to hold 'em n shit like that Ranger.

[Lycanfire]

Good game. Lots to take away from this game. Thank you xyzzy.