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[Cephrir]

Consider the possibility that by voting for enchant and trying to start a wagon on him I'm potentially expediting the process of making him become townier if he is town

[Cephrir]

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I asked this, did that line of questioning affect your read of Enchant or Ceph?

I think he has a good point on Enchant and I’m more suspicious of Enchant for it, but I kinda think Town would maybe wait it out a bit given that there are games where it took Enchant a bit to Town it up, but I also think it’s fair to go on the basis of that Enchant’s scum more often than not here given how few games there were that contradicted the point.

D
And also... didn't you just slot me as lockscum tho

[Alchemist21]

If you really need me to have some STD might be able to read me but I feel like I need more data before I let him have this

But dang you really did say the quiet part out loud about cliques dude

I’m not trying to make this personal and I’m not a part of any clique. Hell, this is my first game back in over a year, maybe 2.

I’m also not assuming someone has to be your friend to read you well, or that a friend always can read you well.

And just to make this clear, I’m not saying you don’t have any friends either.

[Cephrir]

By friends I meant a group one plays mafia with a lot

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why?

It will take me a long time to actually write up all the reasons. The first few things in chronological order were that you didn't express any paranoia about my alignment, you were extremely pockety with how you treated my page 1 post wrt to Eiralox, and I value T3's early scum ping on you pretty highly. Also, you didn't question Brickwalll while you were voting them for pressure which I notice are things you often combine as Town, and you moved your vote before Brickwalll could do anything AI. In fact this lack of questioning who you are voting and innopportune vote movements are a common theme in fact in your ISO. Non-chronologically, off the top of my head I value Enchant's point in 285 pretty highly, I noticed your SvS interaction with lycanfire, you TMI'd Penguin as Town, I believe you are a capable scum hunter who can recognize that Dionysus is likely to be Town and I believe this whole Dionysus push is likely to be a counterwagon. Tonight your language in 586 was extremely suspicious: you seem self-conscious in general when posting with Cephrir (which you do reluctantly after I call you both out together) and in 586 you felt the need to qualify that you *are* in fact trying to sort Cephrir lol.

Why do you value T3's scum ping?

I just think Dionysus has a decent chance of flipping scum >_> and if you weren't preflipping people and seriously considered my meta point, maybe you'd see it

Penguin is just an easy read

That is basically just the cliff notes of my scum case on you.

(1) Really it is going to be quite difficult to convince me that you're Town because I have a lot on you.

I think if I had to choose a few things overall that would help to change my mind it would be if you could convince me that

(2) you didn't magically divine my alignment at the beginning of the game

,

(3) you and lycanfire weren't SvS

, and (4) there was some purpose behind your vote movements throughout the game.

1. I'm a very easy sort... like look at my past games. I don't want to go into it more than that.

2. Your start didn't ping me.... so I don't know if I can convince you of this. But even if your initial post did ping me, I wouldn't have pointed it out right away. Me sussing you based on your first post in xyzzy game was a tactical error of mine that I realized quickly into Day 1.

3. Can you quote what you think was SvS with Lycanfire?

4. This will happen but in an hour or so. The move off Brickwall was because his entrance didn't ping me whereas Eiralox's did, and I thought it was a better shout for getting out of RVS faster. Wagons based off of "gut" can be easily shrugged off; the faster you can vote someone with an explained reason, the better

[Alchemist21]

Consider the possibility that by voting for enchant and trying to start a wagon on him I'm potentially expediting the process of making him become townier if he is town

I almost asked if there was a post limit or time limit past which you would no longer Townread Enchant for efforting, but I didn’t because you said there was that one game where he managed to do it as scum. If he’s Town then he should start to do it on his own, and if he’s scum then pressuring him would be more likely to make him effort just enough to fool us into thinking he’s Town. I was avoiding even talking
about this because just talking about it could have the same effect in a scumEnchant scenario.

It’s why I asked if it ever takes Town Enchant time and after you said yeah why I thought Town you might wait a bit.

[Alchemist21]

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I asked this, did that line of questioning affect your read of Enchant or Ceph?

I think he has a good point on Enchant and I’m more suspicious of Enchant for it, but I kinda think Town would maybe wait it out a bit given that there are games where it took Enchant a bit to Town it up, but I also think it’s fair to go on the basis of that Enchant’s scum more often than not here given how few games there were that contradicted the point.

D
And also... didn't you just slot me as lockscum tho

I’m still willing to acknowledge I could be wrong, I just think it’s unlikely at this point.

[Alchemist21]

By friends I meant a group one plays mafia with a lot

Either way I’m sorry if I upset you. I promise I wasn’t trying to insult you or anything.

[Cephrir]

Consider the possibility that by voting for enchant and trying to start a wagon on him I'm potentially expediting the process of making him become townier if he is town

I almost asked if there was a post limit or time limit past which you would no longer Townread Enchant for efforting, but I didn’t because you said there was that one game where he managed to do it as scum. If he’s Town then he should start to do it on his own, and if he’s scum then pressuring him would be more likely to make him effort just enough to fool us into thinking he’s Town. I was avoiding even talking
about this because just talking about it could have the same effect in a scumEnchant scenario.

It’s why I asked if it ever takes Town Enchant time and after you said yeah why I thought Town you might wait a bit.

It happened after he claimed, and I'm assuming that claim happened because he was run up, sooo~

[Cephrir]

By friends I meant a group one plays mafia with a lot

Either way I’m sorry if I upset you. I promise I wasn’t trying to insult you or anything.

You're fine

[Alchemist21]

Consider the possibility that by voting for enchant and trying to start a wagon on him I'm potentially expediting the process of making him become townier if he is town

I almost asked if there was a post limit or time limit past which you would no longer Townread Enchant for efforting, but I didn’t because you said there was that one game where he managed to do it as scum. If he’s Town then he should start to do it on his own, and if he’s scum then pressuring him would be more likely to make him effort just enough to fool us into thinking he’s Town. I was avoiding even talking
about this because just talking about it could have the same effect in a scumEnchant scenario.

It’s why I asked if it ever takes Town Enchant time and after you said yeah why I thought Town you might wait a bit.

It happened after he claimed, and I'm assuming that claim happened because he was run up, sooo~

Oh. For some reason the “50 posts” part stuck with me and not the “after he claimed” part.

What made him effort in that one scum game?

[Alchemist21]

It’s after 4 AM maybe I should just go to bed.

[Cephrir]

Consider the possibility that by voting for enchant and trying to start a wagon on him I'm potentially expediting the process of making him become townier if he is town

I almost asked if there was a post limit or time limit past which you would no longer Townread Enchant for efforting, but I didn’t because you said there was that one game where he managed to do it as scum. If he’s Town then he should start to do it on his own, and if he’s scum then pressuring him would be more likely to make him effort just enough to fool us into thinking he’s Town. I was avoiding even talking
about this because just talking about it could have the same effect in a scumEnchant scenario.

It’s why I asked if it ever takes Town Enchant time and after you said yeah why I thought Town you might wait a bit.

It happened after he claimed, and I'm assuming that claim happened because he was run up, sooo~

Oh. For some reason the “50 posts” part stuck with me and not the “after he claimed” part.

What made him effort in that one scum game?

I don't know, I feel like he was doing it right from the start

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir

Vibes

How was 5 minutes long enough to pick up a prod, open the thread and determine the quality of my vibes

[Dionysus]

Dionysus: haven't seen you around lately bud what timezone are you in?

I've been thinking about this. Dionysus, why didn't you react to this post?

I started to write a response but I got distracted by other things and didn't finish. Why is that interesting?

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Cephrir

Vibes

How was 5 minutes long enough to pick up a prod, open the thread and determine the quality of my vibes

Not_Mafia is just that good

[Eiralox]

Dionysus: haven't seen you around lately bud what timezone are you in?

I've been thinking about this. Dionysus, why didn't you react to this post?

I started to write a response but I got distracted by other things and didn't finish. Why is that interesting?

It isn't. Ignoring that question is totally NAI and i'm not sure why Cat Scratch is bringing it up.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Dionysus: haven't seen you around lately bud what timezone are you in?

I've been thinking about this. Dionysus, why didn't you react to this post?

I started to write a response but I got distracted by other things and didn't finish. Why is that interesting?

Decent chance it was meant to be a reaction test that you ignored

[Cat Scratch Fever]

how long does it take to write a response to that question?

[Dionysus]

how long does it take to write a response to that question?

Not long, but I was trying to make it funny.

But how is "where are you from" a reaction test

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The familiarity

[Dionysus]

The familiarity

Where are you from

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That's not the familiar part :p

but Seattle

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also you weren't gone from the thread for that long

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What do you think of Ceph? He's a bit of a hot topic rn