Ok I wouldn't call that "very clearly". I was asking if it was impossible not unlikely.
I am just making the observation that you are pushing to lim someone who you are currently the only one voting for. That brings up the possibility that you my not even think that they can realistically get limmed
In post 546, Weuler wrote:
@Python do you think STD and Elements is an impossible scum team?
Subject to change if I learn more about StD's playstyle but I consider a StD/Elements scum team to be pretty unlikely. StD was the first person to sr Elements as far as I can tell and at that time the thread was busy with the Python/Weuler/Aureal fight. Furthermore the progression from "I can't get a read on you" to "I feel like town!Elements would have done this" to "I sr Elements" to tunneling on Elements doesn't feel like scum vs scum. I can see scum!StD do a slow burn push on the easy elim, I can see town!StD slowly trying to get a read on Elements, but if it was scum!StD bussing scum!Elements for town cred I feel like he could have gone a lot faster so as to not risk other people beating him to the towncred that comes from being first on the Elements wagon in that case.
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In post 552, Weuler wrote:
I am just making the observation that you are pushing to lim someone who you are currently the only one voting for. That brings up the possibility that you my not even think that they can realistically get limmed
If you're going for the angle of scum bussing scum thinking that they won't get elim'd then you also have to consider that StD had a pretty realistic chance of getting an Elements elim before the swerve out of left field on Black
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In post 552, Weuler wrote:
I am just making the observation that you are pushing to lim someone who you are currently the only one voting for. That brings up the possibility that you my not even think that they can realistically get limmed
There's always a chance to lim someone
I will add now that recently I've been quite trigger happy on the hammer vote so just bear that in mind
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
Probably town because the three main people talking are me, you, and python I think an Elements/Python scumteam is highly unlikely Some people disagree with your reads so even if you or python is scum not there will be people who don't listen
In post 72, usesPython wrote:
Also VT read on Human Sequencer, it'd be odd to ignore a game if there's something interesting happening and since there's no indication of them going V/LA
TMI slip?
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
It's a read I made based off my Town of Salem experience. If there's a d1 dc there then 50% of the time it's because someone rolled a "useless" role like framer or solo necromancer or retributionist. I've also seen plenty of framers, retri's, and solo necros stick it out and play the game though
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In post 566, usesPython wrote:
It's a read I made based off my Town of Salem experience. If there's a d1 dc there then 50% of the time it's because someone rolled a "useless" role like framer or solo necromancer or retributionist. I've also seen plenty of framers, retri's, and solo necros stick it out and play the game though
I too used to play wayyyyyyy too much ToS.
I much prefer forum mafia and there are much less "useless" roles here than in ToS. Given VTs make up most of this game the ability to vote becomes more important.
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
Arko - scumlean 99, scumlean 517
Aureal - town 100, town 475
Black - townlean 101, town 513
Elements - nulltown 102, townlean 118, town 562
Weuler - town 110, scum 227
Python - town 562
Contrary to what others have been saying, Black has had one of the most dynamic read progressions taking into account individual actions and actions between players. Python also has good read progressions that I think would be hard to fake as scum. Aureal and Weuler have read progressions that I don't think would be hard to fake, but I to get more town vibes form Aureal's than Weuler's
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
In post 568, Elements wrote:
Contrary to what others have been saying, Black has had one of the most dynamic read progressions taking into account individual actions and actions between players.
I'll post an actual response when I wake up, for now though:
My problem with Black isn't the progression of their reads but the timing of it. Their reads on Human, Elements, Weuler, Aureal, and Python all pretty much follow whatever popular opinion was at the time the read was made
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i just got new kittens and have had a busy weekend, will try to be more active.
im pretty null on weuler and arko at this point and think Elements is just scum. their read on me is garbage and they keep pushing it like it's obvious but they can't explain it themself.
i'm still having trouble placing other slots into reads.
Because of recent accusations, I will be making a VCA for Black
1st vote; Taly standard RVS vote from a recognized player
2nd vote; HS pushing for activity, I did that earlier but that's pretty much it
3rd vote; Human agreeing with Aureal but actively admitting to sheeping
4th vote; Elements following STD has hopped on small wagons twice now hmm
5th vote; Arko pushing lurkers again shouldn't we wait for a replacement though
Speaking of which UNVOTE: Arko
In post 546, Weuler wrote:
@Python do you think STD and Elements is an impossible scum team?
Subject to change if I learn more about StD's playstyle but I consider a StD/Elements scum team to be pretty unlikely. StD was the first person to sr Elements as far as I can tell and at that time the thread was busy with the Python/Weuler/Aureal fight. Furthermore the progression from "I can't get a read on you" to "I feel like town!Elements would have done this" to "I sr Elements" to tunneling on Elements doesn't feel like scum vs scum. I can see scum!StD do a slow burn push on the easy elim, I can see town!StD slowly trying to get a read on Elements, but if it was scum!StD bussing scum!Elements for town cred I feel like he could have gone a lot faster so as to not risk other people beating him to the towncred that comes from being first on the Elements wagon in that case.
A scum Dragons is probably not actually trying to get a scum Elements voted out today. Scumreading your partner while others are paying attention to something else sounds like a great time to do it. Your explanation of why they probably aren't a team made me feel more like they could be a team. They're pushing each other but not in a way that seems likely to draw wagons, due to lack of reasoning behind the read. I can't share someone's gut read and go "yeah makes sense, better get on that wagon."
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance