Newbie 2111 - Know Your Skittles! (Game Over)

[Elements]

I'm not AV
I don't like bussing
Especially not day 1

[Elements]

Also and mostly because I'm town

[Weuler]

Ok I wouldn't call that "very clearly". I was asking if it was impossible not unlikely.

I am just making the observation that you are pushing to lim someone who you are currently the only one voting for. That brings up the possibility that you my not even think that they can realistically get limmed

[Weuler]

Also and mostly because I'm town

Ah your argument was just a townslip, I see

[usesPython]

@Python do you think STD and Elements is an impossible scum team?

Subject to change if I learn more about StD's playstyle but I consider a StD/Elements scum team to be pretty unlikely. StD was the first person to sr Elements as far as I can tell and at that time the thread was busy with the Python/Weuler/Aureal fight. Furthermore the progression from "I can't get a read on you" to "I feel like town!Elements would have done this" to "I sr Elements" to tunneling on Elements doesn't feel like scum vs scum. I can see scum!StD do a slow burn push on the easy elim, I can see town!StD slowly trying to get a read on Elements, but if it was scum!StD bussing scum!Elements for town cred I feel like he could have gone a lot faster so as to not risk other people beating him to the towncred that comes from being first on the Elements wagon in that case.

[usesPython]

I am just making the observation that you are pushing to lim someone who you are currently the only one voting for. That brings up the possibility that you my not even think that they can realistically get limmed

If you're going for the angle of scum bussing scum thinking that they won't get elim'd then you also have to consider that StD had a pretty realistic chance of getting an Elements elim before the swerve out of left field on Black

[Elements]

I am just making the observation that you are pushing to lim someone who you are currently the only one voting for. That brings up the possibility that you my not even think that they can realistically get limmed

There's always a chance to lim someone

I will add now that recently I've been quite trigger happy on the hammer vote so just bear that in mind

[usesPython]

I will add now that recently I've been quite trigger happy on the hammer vote so just bear that in mind

Elements hammering herself? I can see it

[Elements]

Can confirm, have done that as town

[Human]

Well Arko should be replaced soon so maybe their replacement will give us a read.

[Human]

Their last post was February 9th they should have well been replaced by now.

[Elements]

Human, do you think the game is being steered by town or scum voices?

[Human]

Probably town because the three main people talking are me, you, and python I think an Elements/Python scumteam is highly unlikely Some people disagree with your reads so even if you or python is scum not there will be people who don't listen

[Elements]

Also VT read on Human Sequencer, it'd be odd to ignore a game if there's something interesting happening and since there's no indication of them going V/LA

TMI slip?

[usesPython]

TMI slip?

Inactivity is slot indicative, activity is not

[Elements]

TMI slip?

Inactivity is slot indicative, activity is not

I disagree

[usesPython]

It's a read I made based off my Town of Salem experience. If there's a d1 dc there then 50% of the time it's because someone rolled a "useless" role like framer or solo necromancer or retributionist. I've also seen plenty of framers, retri's, and solo necros stick it out and play the game though

[Elements]

It's a read I made based off my Town of Salem experience. If there's a d1 dc there then 50% of the time it's because someone rolled a "useless" role like framer or solo necromancer or retributionist. I've also seen plenty of framers, retri's, and solo necros stick it out and play the game though

I too used to play wayyyyyyy too much ToS.
I much prefer forum mafia and there are much less "useless" roles here than in ToS. Given VTs make up most of this game the ability to vote becomes more important.

[Elements]

Maybe you need to make us a nice table, I bet Python will love it.

Not quite a table but you did technically ask for it

Read Progressions

? - not sure but what I think is being implied
Town>townlean>nulltown>null>nullscum>scumlean>scum

Freedom

Spoiler:

StD - Town 430
Human - null/town? 478
Black - town 523

(HS
Black - Town 182, town 189Python - unsure 188
Human - town 195
Elements, Aureal, Weuler - scumlean 199)

Arko

Spoiler:

146
Human - town
Elements - sccumlean
Aureal - nulltown
Black - nulltown
Weuler - nulltown
Python - null

StD

Spoiler:

Human - town 269
Arko - scum 269
Weuler - scum 269
Elements - scumlean 275 scum 312

Aureal

Spoiler:

Human - scum 96, scum 347
Weuler - scum 96, reservations 347, nulltown? 401, null 516
Python - townpoints 177, null 347, scumlean? 376
Elements - nulltown 282
StD - null 347
Black - nullscum? 450

Human

Spoiler:

Arko - scumlean 99, scumlean 517
Aureal - town 100, town 475
Black - townlean 101, town 513
Elements - nulltown 102, townlean 118, town 562
Weuler - town 110, scum 227
Python - town 562

Black

Spoiler:

Human - nulltown 127, townlean 170, scumlean 253, weuler dichotomy 307
Arko - town 154, nullscum 515
Elements - town 154, Weuler dependant 304, scumlean 321, scum 402
Weuler - townlean 154, nulltown 170, scumelean 253, something changed390
Aureal - null 154, townlean 249, town 300
Python - scumlean154, nulltown? 247
StD - townlean 420

Weuler

Spoiler:

Arko - scumlean 53, scumlean 490
Python - nullscum? 74, nulltown 217, null 358, nullscum?396
Human - non-commital 124
Black - nullscum 136, scumlean 487, scum 522
Aureal - scumlean 217, null 394
HS - townlean 219
Elements - nullconfused 338, scum 522
StD - nullscum 522

Python

Spoiler:

HS - town 72
Elements - nullscum 71, nulltown 171, scumlean 532
Weuler - scum 158, null 224, scum 255, scum 532
Aureal - null 163, scumlean 224, scum 255, town 410
Arko - null 167
Human - tonwlean 168, nullscum 351, scumelan 462
Black - nulltown 171, nullscum 351, scum 485
StD - null 365, null 468
Freedom - scumlean 532

Conclusions

Contrary to what others have been saying, Black has had one of the most dynamic read progressions taking into account individual actions and actions between players. Python also has good read progressions that I think would be hard to fake as scum. Aureal and Weuler have read progressions that I don't think would be hard to fake, but I to get more town vibes form Aureal's than Weuler's

[usesPython]

Contrary to what others have been saying, Black has had one of the most dynamic read progressions taking into account individual actions and actions between players.

I'll post an actual response when I wake up, for now though:

My problem with Black isn't the progression of their reads but the timing of it. Their reads on Human, Elements, Weuler, Aureal, and Python all pretty much follow whatever popular opinion was at the time the read was made

[Save The Dragons]

i just got new kittens and have had a busy weekend, will try to be more active.

im pretty null on weuler and arko at this point and think Elements is just scum. their read on me is garbage and they keep pushing it like it's obvious but they can't explain it themself.

i'm still having trouble placing other slots into reads.

[Save The Dragons]

that is to say, im kind of tring everyone else but vaguely

[Save The Dragons]

wow looking at my iso in the 2019 game that's incredible

i also play differently in newbies because i'm not trying to scare you away but there are people like me with weird playstyles

[Human]

Because of recent accusations, I will be making a VCA for Black
1st vote; Taly standard RVS vote from a recognized player
2nd vote; HS pushing for activity, I did that earlier but that's pretty much it
3rd vote; Human agreeing with Aureal but actively admitting to sheeping
4th vote; Elements following STD has hopped on small wagons twice now hmm
5th vote; Arko pushing lurkers again shouldn't we wait for a replacement though
Speaking of which UNVOTE: Arko

[Aureal]

@Python do you think STD and Elements is an impossible scum team?

Subject to change if I learn more about StD's playstyle but I consider a StD/Elements scum team to be pretty unlikely. StD was the first person to sr Elements as far as I can tell and at that time the thread was busy with the Python/Weuler/Aureal fight. Furthermore the progression from "I can't get a read on you" to "I feel like town!Elements would have done this" to "I sr Elements" to tunneling on Elements doesn't feel like scum vs scum. I can see scum!StD do a slow burn push on the easy elim, I can see town!StD slowly trying to get a read on Elements, but if it was scum!StD bussing scum!Elements for town cred I feel like he could have gone a lot faster so as to not risk other people beating him to the towncred that comes from being first on the Elements wagon in that case.

A scum Dragons is probably not actually trying to get a scum Elements voted out today. Scumreading your partner while others are paying attention to something else sounds like a great time to do it. Your explanation of why they probably aren't a team made me feel more like they could be a team. They're pushing each other but not in a way that seems likely to draw wagons, due to lack of reasoning behind the read. I can't share someone's gut read and go "yeah makes sense, better get on that wagon."