Election! | GAME OVER

[SirCakez]

Bingle what do you think of my assessment that you have done very little scumhunting this game beyond the readslist that wasn't followed up on?

[SirCakez]

Meowth [ 5 ] unowen, guiltylion, Save the dragons, LLD, Sleepykrew

This wagon just isn't it. Meowth has some scummy posts but I have the general vibe this is scummy limbait town. The readslist was bad but I see town post crud like that all the time, it's just weirdly explained and off-the-cuff. I don't really feel like this is gonna flip scum.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: for cakez only

nope im broken that wont work anymore

[SirCakez]

Meowth [ 5 ] unowen, guiltylion, Save the dragons, LLD, Sleepykrew

This wagon just isn't it. Meowth has some scummy posts but I have the general vibe this is scummy limbait town. The readslist was bad but I see town post crud like that all the time, it's just weirdly explained and off-the-cuff. I don't really feel like this is gonna flip scum.

To add onto this I don't even really think this is a super scum-pushed wagon, maybe like 1 or 2 on here. I just think town is going the wrong direction.

[SirCakez]

I am also townbinning ActionDan good analysis on page 63.

[SirCakez]

Xof can you sort your reads list into semi-organized town-null-scum bins?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: for cakez only

nope im broken that wont work anymore

bros b4 role pms

[Thestatusquo]

Alisae replaces Datisi

[Alisae]

Hello
Ya I heard my phone vibrate while I was trying to sleep
I stayed up all night
I’m going back to sleep and at some point during tomorrow I will read up

UNVOTE:
Goodnight

[Bingle]

Bingle what do you think of my assessment that you have done very little scumhunting this game beyond the readslist that wasn't followed up on?

I’d say that I have been scumhunting, it’s just not the only thing I’ve been doing. I’d also say that I have followed up on the reads list, in that I’ve directly solicited feedback and discussion about individual reads.

If you wanted to not argue in bad faith and ask why I haven’t voted anyone, the answer is that I think it’s better to have no elimination today at the moment and am still working towards that end.

[Bingle]

Hello
Ya I heard my phone vibrate while I was trying to sleep
I stayed up all night
I’m going back to sleep and at some point during tomorrow I will read up

UNVOTE:
Goodnight

Oh god it’s you.

[SirCakez]

Bingle what do you think of my assessment that you have done very little scumhunting this game beyond the readslist that wasn't followed up on?

I’d say that I have been scumhunting, it’s just not the only thing I’ve been doing. I’d also say that I have followed up on the reads list, in that I’ve directly solicited feedback and discussion about individual reads.

If you wanted to not argue in bad faith and ask why I haven’t voted anyone, the answer is that I think it’s better to have no elimination today at the moment and am still working towards that end.

Why is no elim good today?

[Bingle]

Bingle what do you think of my assessment that you have done very little scumhunting this game beyond the readslist that wasn't followed up on?

I’d say that I have been scumhunting, it’s just not the only thing I’ve been doing. I’d also say that I have followed up on the reads list, in that I’ve directly solicited feedback and discussion about individual reads.

If you wanted to not argue in bad faith and ask why I haven’t voted anyone, the answer is that I think it’s better to have no elimination today at the moment and am still working towards that end.

Why is no elim good today?

:/

We are on evens. It is unlikely there is a vig given that scum has the potential to get access to any vig shot and scum have 4/15 players, which is too many for a scum vig to be likely. It is unlikely that we have multiple or strong protections. We don’t fully understand our power role functionality yet (not treasurer experiments proposed). We have an unkillable cop.

[furtiveglance]

Why is the cop unkillable

[Bingle]

Because we just elect a new cop the next day, from a pool of people we suspect anyway. If enchant dies tonight, we all collectively get to go:

"Well, enchant is dead, who gets to be cop?"

If enchant doesn't is dead, we all collectively get to go:

"Well, enchant doesn't is dead, who gets to be cop?"

Our power roles don't die when the people holding them do.

[SirCakez]

Yeah but if the PRs die we don't get their results from that night

[Bingle]

We should use the sheriff assignation as a pseudovig. I will almost certainly be voting Enchant for Sheriff.
I strongly lean towards no elimination D1 because the level of swing in the setup from the smalltown nature means there likely no extra killing roles and D1 is the best day to skip a lim.

Yes, but if the cop dies and we don’t get an investigation, scum just shot someone we thought was reasonably scummy instead of someone who was actually a townread.

If enchant doesn’t die, we’re not forced to trust the results we get long term because we can just pick a new cop (who can then investigate enchant, leading to a feedback loop of cleared sus townies)

[Bingle]

Of course, this is all based on the premise that we’ll be able to fund cop on the regular and that nothing in the joats makes it super likely we’ll be getting off evens anyway.

[Bingle]

Hence… I want to know approximately how long our treasury will last and what the joat roles are, although I don’t actually care who has which roles and LLD absolutely should not tell scum if she’s not going to fund a specific role, like tracker.

[Bingle]

Why is no elim good today?

Not specifically a response to this, but this is representative:

Why were you so sure that I was scum trying to twist mechspeak to my advantage when you clearly didn't understand what my mechspeak was? Like, LLD was absent in the early game while I was going over this because of the shutdown of her push on you, fine. But why weren't you expressing doubts then if you were were concerned instead of now when we've halfway committed to my plan (see enchant actually being cop).

Why did you decide to call me scum instead of ask for clarification when you clearly didn't understand anything I was advocating?

Do you genuinely believe that "Twisting the mechanics to benefit scum" is how

I

play mafia? I who am especially liable to be BOP'd on bad speculation and mechanics given my sole contributions to the site have been reviewing large and complicated games for balance and mechanical breaks over the last year and a half and was semi retired from playing the game even before that? Especially given that this is the only Shea game that I haven't been the main reviewer for since 2020 afaik, and so am even more likely than most to have an insight into how he builds and balances setups?

Walk me through any town thought process that explains your approach to me, because I'm seeing like no genuine attempt at sorting and instead just kind of a handwaivy "I don't see anything towny from Bingle" and "Bingle is talking about mechanics, he's probably scum."

[Bingle]

Also, did anyone else not get that I was basically arguing that enchant be our elimination for today when I threw my weight there with the sheriff race?

[Enchant]

I really should' tell you this but yes, no-liming is... Not great idea.

[GuiltyLion]

Bingle I know you said earlier that you'd rather sit back and see how other people use the roles and that's why you didn't declare for any positions, but how are you feeling now that the council is refusing to give you the info you want? Wouldn't this game have been easier to mech-spec if you had just become mayor or something yourself

overall I like most of the stuff you're posting but I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that you were willing to sit back and let other players actually get the PRs and potentially hide info from you, it seems counter to your general strategy of Doing Mech Shit

[Bingle]

Is that a generic “no lim is bad” or specific to this game?

[Enchant]

Is that a generic “no lim is bad” or specific to this game?

I don't consider no-lim is bad, if it's good option.

But with my knowledge, it's not.