Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

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who could forget everyone's favorite part of death note, this amazing song

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Didn't we already do this in haunted village

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Which game?

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Why do you like kawaiis posts I feel like it's possible kira would have the most confidence to come into the thread and randomly call other people kira

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I guess I kind of thought it wasn't serious but it could be

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starting to have doubts on kokichi

gimli, why malakittens?

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There's important thing i cut out of rules and just noticed.

All dead players flip without revealing any information. I am returning this back in "Setup" section.

here, lorne. enchant just decided to make things worse for us.

Then why are we even playing?

i wish we knew this ahead of time too but it doesn't change the fact all we have to do is find kira

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i'm death straight up is a line from puss in boots the last wish

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starting to have doubts on kokichi

Because you saw other people voting for me? or what?

i originally tr you for doing the same thing you did in village but then i realized you were doing something weird in village and this is entirely different. iirc you weren't scumreading me for shitposting you were just trying to get reactions. initially. then you were scumreading me for shitposting.

here it looks like you could have just come up with a fake scumread on me and when pressed on it realized you had already done something similar in village where you eventually were scumreading me and you backed off to try and not bring so much attention to yourself, because someone like gimli who played in that game too could fact check you easily.

it's not really a strong read it just kind of makes me go hmm

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i'm death straight up is a line from puss in boots the last wish

it's still a movie quote

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i feel like the "zzzzzzz" post comes from town malakittens feeling comfortable, not from scum trying to blow it off

VOTE: kokichi

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im generally not in favor of no-lim because i like the variance of potentially limming scum

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i tr gimli too :thumbsupemoji:

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i'm kiracus

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i think it's probably confusing for kira if we all make jokes about it so it's probably not possible to tell who the followers are tbh

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I wouldn't say I was impressed by the way you tunneled obvious town that game either

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UNVOTE: wanna think about it some more

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UNVOTE: wanna think about it some more

if koki is scum, that's exactly the type of manipulation tactics I expect him to use and make people feel insecure and lots of other bad things. he has no reason to bring up past games w/ you just to complain about your reads in that game.

he is also doing that w/ me, saying I'm only scumreading him because I'm scared of being fooled. it's simply undermining our leans with things that are not this game. in this game, kokichi is scummy, and doing these things fits with his scum range. I expect town koki to try and talk on the level of where the conversations are instead of doing this.

it's not because of the trash he's spewing it's actually more about your comment about everyone scumreading him. Does kira/follower come in and specifically antagonize people with garbage? is it just kokichi being weird? am i overthinking this?

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i agree with...um...kawaii...that they've faded into the background and become a non-entity

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Mostly aimed at StD since he has a history of quick hammering.

Grow up

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I have an appointment but after I can

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370 was also literally yesterday

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i don't know if i buy the whole gambit thing, it seems very contrived. turning it around to a scumread onto gimli also seems bad, i guess i don't get how someone catching you for playing scummy makes them scum.

Scumreading me is not scummy in itself, I feel town would find my play scummy, I do not trust Gimli's motivation, seems like he's following the red herring I set up in the beginning, pivoting away from Kokichi to me, I see why Gimli towns Kokichi, but I don't see why Gimli used the thinnest piece of evidence, my own self-admission of how I'd play Kira and build a complete case upon it when I happen to play the same way being away, feels opportunistic

i disagree with this in particular. i don't know that that's a thin piece of evidence and don't know what you were expecting if you're town.

if i'm detective or assistant then I still want props from getting the rest of it right:

1. Detective - mala
2. Assistant - STD
3. Taskforce Member - vander
4. Taskforce Member - meg
5. Taskforce Member - gimli
6. Taskforce Member - lorne
7. Taskforce Member - HPE
8. Kira Follower - black
9. Kira Follower - kokichi
10. Kira - kawaii

this is dangerous but i see it coming from town!gimli genuinely taking a guess at the game, not trying to reveal PRs.

I am going to give the entirety of my strength to flipping kawaii

this initially gave me pause because it's almost anti-spewy but after thinking about it gimli has given reads on other people.

meanwhile i feel like kawaii has still had a minimal presence mostly just talking about how lorne and gimli are connected and arguing over a joke lorne made. im not really confident kawaii is hunting, it doesn't look good to me.

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...but i'll wait to vote because i don't want people thinking i quickhammer

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i feel like black is wound a little tightly

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can you talk about what you liked about kawaii's post?

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i don't think that's a good poe, i'm not kira and i don't think it's mala or lorne tbh

i think that post by kawaii just now is potentially trying to buddy it doesn't actually say much of anything new

VOTE: kawaiikame

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*polishes my quickhammer*

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i guess i shouldn't rule out mala so quickly but my experience is she doesn't post much and i worry that people going after her are going after low hanging fruit

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i don't think that's a good poe, i'm not kira and i don't think it's mala or lorne tbh

i think that post by kawaii just now is potentially trying to buddy it doesn't actually say much of anything new

VOTE: kawaiikame

I'm confirming the logic in Gimli's poe via his pov, ofc it isn't saying anything new, sometimes a confirmation of logic is good
I'm with you in Lorne not being Kira, Lorne feels way too erratic/chaotic to be Kira, Lorne feels like Misa in this game
The main hole in Gimli's logic is not seeing Vand as Kira/follower in any event, that narrows down Kira to you/mala/lorne by poe
Who do you feel is Kira if I'm not Kira? Ik you see yourself as not Kira in your pov but I see Kira deflecting being Kira to me

i think a lot of people could still be kira. i haven't really ruled anyone out. some people seem really town but i think it's possible kira is on their best behavior trying to look town.

as far as likely suspects if you're not kira i think black is on-edge and that makes me nervous. i'd like to see more from megazu and vanderscamp, i know they look townie now but i need more data to determine for sure.

the only person i don't really think is kira is lorne because he feels a little too comfortable to joke about it and i think kira would be a less relaxed. he could be a follower but i don't know at this point.

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i guess i shouldn't rule out mala so quickly but my experience is she doesn't post much and i worry that people going after her are going after low hanging fruit

What is high hanging fruit in your pov?

im not sure we get much out of this conversation

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std = is std. if I can't read him in a normal game then I can't read him in this game.

Feel it's hard to read std too, out of anyone it may be best to vote him, Kira is the most dangerous if we can't read him

i don't actually think i'm unreadable, i think i'm just hard to read. i think you should give it more time, personally.

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I love when the tunneler ignores other important stuff being discussed and finally jumps in when they can go back to their tunnel

You claiming Nothing was a joke? What kind of joke is that?

just little things that ping me, it's kind of a nervous energy. i dunno. it could come from kira being nervous.

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it might be nai it just seems like the "what kind of joke is that?" could be fake indignation for example

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StD posturing to vote for kawaii and then doing it felt opportunistic. StD, question for you. Originally you said you didn't feel like kawaii was solving/hunting. Has this opinion changed in light of kawaii's recent flurry of posts?

probably would have voted earlier were it not for kokichi so i'm not sure if this applies

i think kawaii is trying harder for sure but i'm not sure it's hunting/solving besides a lot of questions and "okay this post is good". the vote for me was not great if their goal was to try and solve tbh not because it was on me but because of the way they approached it, voting me for playstyle reasons. i think they could have been testing the waters to see if people jumped onto it.

i feel like the whole gambit thing is just a lie and it's hard to change my opinion on that. maybe i'm tunneling but i just am having trouble overcoming that despite whatever effort might come after.

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some people seem really town but i think it's possible kira is on their best behavior trying to look town.

This from StD seems weird. I feel like it's more than possible Kira is on their best behavior trying to look like town....I think it's highly likely. But the lack of confidence in this statement makes me feel like StD wanted to leave the door open to continue pushing kawaii who is self-admittedly not trying to look like town

Not confident in StD's alignment either way but I didn't like this comment

i'm not pushing kawaii as kira i'm pushing them as scum. i have no idea if they're kira or not

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im not sure i just think you're scum

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i don't think i got jumpy? i think my progression makes sense and i've explained why i think kawaii is scummy and mala is townie

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i agree with that i don't think that's the only thing that makes people townie

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you do have a good point. i just think the way she's handled herself has been town. she could be bad, i'd probably need more info to change my mind though

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it's dumb but these posts feel like they come from someone who knows they're town, not someone pretending to be town

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as for lorne, it has to do with what i said earlier he seems to be too jokey and comfortable calling himself kira and stuff. if i were kira, i probably wouldn't joke about it tbh

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you do have a good point. i just think the way she's handled herself has been town. she could be bad, i'd probably need more info to change my mind though

What specifically about the way she's handled herself?
Because you said she might be low hanging fruit, but why couldn't she just be accurate scummy fruit?

I liked your thoughts on black being Kira, although I don't particularly agree with them, but I still don't get the Mala read.

i've been scum against town mala in the past and have pushed her for what i feel are similar reasons that people are pushing her for.

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i've been scum against town mala in the past and have pushed her for what i feel are similar reasons that people are pushing her for.

who do u think is scum pushing mala?

Anyone who's argument boils down to "she's not posting much, must be scum" I don't really know if mala is town though so I'm not really looking at this at the moment. Its just an observation I made.

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you do have a good point. i just think the way she's handled herself has been town. she could be bad, i'd probably need more info to change my mind though

What specifically about the way she's handled herself?
Because you said she might be low hanging fruit, but why couldn't she just be accurate scummy fruit?

I liked your thoughts on black being Kira, although I don't particularly agree with them, but I still don't get the Mala read.

i've been scum against town mala in the past and have pushed her for what i feel are similar reasons that people are pushing her for.

Sure, but why couldn't she be scum in this spot?
Is her play as scum vastly different?

She could be scum, yes. I'm not sure, I just think town for now and want more data

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yeah she voted STD, who's also a likely kira candidate

Why do you feel STD is a likely Kira candidate besides poe?

playing safe

could be defending mala cause mala signaled to him that she is a follower. could be a follower defending kira!mala

got jumpy when I started to feel like your wagon was bad. was fine laying in the back when I was trying to murder you and koki and black were trying to murder me. which fits the 'scum laying back while town infights' kind of spot.

I was hanging out with my brother all day Sunday and working on Monday. I didn't have time to post during this time.

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What is the case on gimli

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Starting to think gimlis 180 on kawaii could signify he's a follower to kawaii!kira but that seems rather risky

Gimli could be a Meg!kira follower too with his defense of Meg

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I could see the Meg post coming from kira knowing it's safe to make because they are kira, yes.

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I could see the Meg post coming from kira knowing it's safe to make because they are kira, yes.

You mean the Kira's eyes only post?

Yes

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VOTE: gimli

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It's a tone thing it has to do with her zzzzzz and ..... posts coming from liberated town free to do what they want rather than scum that have to care about what they say

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I have more history with mala than just one game

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She could be scum, yes. I'm not sure, I just think town for now and want more data

For reference, I'm not locking her 100% town. She could be scum.

In mutiny, she hard defended my slot which made me think she was town, when she wasn't. Here I just don't think she's scumreading me but she's not defending me so she's playing differently in some regard.

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I think I'm getting convinced of the arguments against you, gimli. In addition I think you are possibly deliberately causing chaos to help mask who kira is. I think you're likely a follower. Which sucks because I want kira but I'm okay with red means dead for now

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VOTE: kawaii

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Std wagon hopping here points to scum

I don't think Vander had much of a point saying it was a slip by kawaii, ofc he believed in it, but I think std only voted there cause he saw momentum gaining on that wagon again

I feel like you've played with me enough to know this isn't true

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I don't see why

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I explained it earlier

I wagon shop all the time I did it in business company and haunted village

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those recent mala posts aren't great

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I'm okay with recent mala content though it's not amazing by any means

I thought gimli/kawaii was a possibility but maybe not? Maybe this is a distancing hail Mary though.

Thinking.

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VOTE: gimli I think I'm still on board with this

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I just don't know if gimli is kira by play so I'm not sure if that's the best move

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I think my read on mala is pretty explained at this point

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I think I'm getting convinced of the arguments against you, gimli. In addition I think you are possibly deliberately causing chaos to help mask who kira is. I think you're likely a follower. Which sucks because I want kira but I'm okay with red means dead for now

Here's where I gave a reason

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My read on mala is a little unconfident, not backtracked.

I think it's pretty straight forward and not crap. It's based on multiple factors including playing with mala in the past where she acts similarly as opposed to differently from how she was playing in mutiny.

You however have been throwing shade everywhere to see what sticks and are avoiding certain people.

I think a follower would avoid people rather than straight up town read them for what appears to be sketchy reasons

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It's a reason and you said there was none you can't just cover your eyes and say it's not good enough

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What slots haven't you talked about or voted

How many times have you switched your vote in the past 24 hours

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I think kawaii and you are the most scummy. Are you scum together? I dunno, maybe not. But I've been clear on that and I think being on whichever wagon between the two of you is highest doesn't mean I just jump on any wagon. I'm not interested in voting outside you two today.

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You can do both

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Why would I know better

Kawaii is scummy

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I still don't know why you voted kawaii I thought you had them as pretty town the entire time after you stopped voting them early in the game

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kawaii isn't scummy

you'd also be townreading at least partially the things kawaii is doing here if you were town

you're just hopping on the easy wagons you think have the most chance of going through with 0 attempts at real scumhunting

I disagree I think posts you called townie were nothing more than fluff. I still don't believe his gambit and I think he's trying to dig himself out of the hole by looking townie but I'm not sure I buy it. I'm not confident in any read esp day 1 but I think there's enough there

Pedit: I don't remember you not thinking he's scummy though it does just look like self preservation

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Ok I missed one of those posts though your first one kind of seems like you don't want to lim him

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I think calling me not present is disingenuous. I think stating you can't be chaotic and ignoring certain slots at the same time is taking my argument in bad faith. I'm having trouble seeing a reason to townread your play.

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I push suspects I find scummy

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Is it popular to push you

How come none of them have died yet

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i could potentially see gimli follower vander kira

no cc from me, is there anyone left?

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are you really razzing me for not checking to see who didn't post

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watch gimli townread you for saying the exact same thing i said

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PIKACHUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Black it's just ATE Gimli's trying anything he can to get out of it because he's scum

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no i legit think he's trying to ATE you

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i am not scum just because i think you are scum

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1534 1538 is just ATE trying to show an olive branch. i don't think it's genuine.

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it's not toxic it's part of the game, i ATE as both town and scum all the time

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i just think you're being strategic. that's all.

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no.

ATE can be NAI but i think in this case it's calculated

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also other people might appeal to emotion more as town or scum, so it can be AI

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i don't think i want to lim lorne slot today

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onions are the real scum

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holy mother of god

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UNVOTE:

doing nothing until this resolves

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it would be a cat-astrophe if we get kira wrong

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Because I don't think HPE's post makes any sense at all, you could basically sub in any name for yours and the post would be exactly the same. The only place HPE talks about you specifically is mentioning that you have been scummy.

There was

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defense of Kawaii. The post was only about the misunderstanding of what daykill meant, as this one thought you were referring to the detective's Condemn ability, not just voting someone off to eliminate them. The argument was vote don't condemn, because again, it misunderstood. Will you stop continuing the misunderstanding yourself now, please?

Oh, sorry.

Yeah that makes more sense now.

looking back im having trouble finding meaningful interactions between Vander and HPE.

im not sure. like i could see it as trying to cast shade onto HPE to see if it sticks. it doesn't make a lot of sense with an HPE!kira world

it could also be an attempt at distancing, the follower not trying to alert HPE that they're a follower, but trying to separate themselves and make it look like, in the event they got caught, that HPE wasn't kira.

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i think in my mind as a follower, i would attempt to distance but do it lightly, i wouldn't try to signal because it's too risky, especially if i knew i'd likely have to fall on my sword for kira at some point. i think that makes HPE more likely than Gimli, with HPE hoping the anonymous note would stir the pot and push us towards gimli.

i think that's where my head's at atm but i want to think it through some more.

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Vander had systematic logic the whole game, coming to the most reasonable conclusions, so I see Vander accepting HPE's explanation as is at face value since it makes sense logically, I feel Vand may have let off HPE too easily since he pursued everyone else but it's hard to say he didn't back off HPE with logic alone

oh wait a minute

do you think tossing a softball and having HPE knock it down for Vander to be like "you're right daddy kira" could have been a signal to HPE that Vander was a follower or is that too big brain

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does it look to anyone else like koki is trying to draw the elimination to himself? by daring us a whole lot like this

kokichi started the day with

I don't think there is anyway I'm Kira. Vanderput me in his vote out list.

so i think what black said is more likely

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i'm kind of confused why you think it's me, gimli

which means they've been avoiding each other almost as much as vanderscamp has been avoiding you

i feel like this isn't at all what HPE was saying

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i kinda think hpe would have tried to strike down any slot you suggested, you just happened to pick me

either you're kira and hpe is pure and it is correct and wants to lim you

or hpe is kira and is trying hard to lim you specifically because that's its plan for looking townie

im having trouble seeing other possibilities

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can't be kokichi, can't be meg, can't be not_mafia?

are you seeing those possibilities?

i can take a closer look but i don't see not_mafia due to lorne's play

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that is not true

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i defended mala cuz i thought she was town, i didn't jump on the popular belief that we should kill her

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i chose kawaii or you based on what i thought at the time, i wasn't always in the majority

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i defended mala cuz i thought she was town, i didn't jump on the popular belief that we should kill her

then you called her posts bad at some point

those recent mala posts aren't great

shortly after:

I'm okay with recent mala content though it's not amazing by any means

i think it's pretty clear it wasn't enough to make me lose my tr of her.

when shit hit the fan with the claims and the investigator kill you just went like 'i'll wait for reveals'

i don't see the issue with this, i didn't want anyone to do anything rash so i unvoted so i couldn't be used. i tr mala and vander and it was confusing so i wanted to see what would happen before i did anything.

also you'd townread mala to pocket her, I think.

wait so now i was tring her even though i called her posts bad? this seems like you're trying to have it both ways

I have more reasons to think you're kira than to think hpe is kira, at any rate. I'll check meg and NM at some point.

what are they

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you're playing like kira would. safe throughout the game, not a single wave, not a single push that wasn't thread consensus. even today you're like 'hpe or gimli' lol. this is not your towngame.

i don't think any of this is true and anyone can look at my iso and see for themselves. i don't think pushing you or kawaii was safe and it wasn't thread consensus every time i pushed you guys.

today i don't see why thinking it's between two people who are causing chaos and sputtering all sorts of stuff is safe or thread consensus. i think other possibilities are possible but unlikely at this point

how is it not my town game

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you're playing similarly to your bug game in gnosia

i think people misunderstood what i tried to do as bug

I actually outlined my strategy as bug and publicly revealed it, hoping and ensuring that thread apathy would lead people to make the mistake of falling right into my trap. i said early on that bug would try to find gnosia and eliminate them, and then 3 days later people picked my target, the one i correctly assumed was gnosia.

i have done nothing like that here. im crafty and calculating as scum and here i've just been going with the flow. im not helping produce thread apathy or anything like that.

so i don't see the comparison.

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i don't think so, i think that's what i normally do

i don't think me not being loud is AI

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my point is that bug plays entirely differently so comparing scum to bug or even kira to bug is disingenuous

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it also, if gimli is kira, wouldn't be the first time scum tried to pin me as scum due to playing bug even though the comparison is off, so i'm a little wary of it because i did get mislimmed for it

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i don't think i lurked in either game tbh

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in that game i was able to convince people to vote for the gnosia read i had so i'm not sure why you say i had no impression

in this game i dunno it really depends on other people's perceptions but i feel this characterization you've had of me all game as in the shadows even when we keep fighting each other is disingenuous.

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why do you think it's me, black

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do you have any thoughts about my conversation with gimli right now

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ugh

you're making this so boring

should i make it interesting?

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i think i will

have i got a surprise for you

or it shouldn't be a surprise if you're paying close attention but anyway

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i'm literally at the mercy of work

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eh who cares

i am not kira

i'm the other follower. that's why i've been non-committal and slinking in the shadows.

it's too easy for you to just mislim me. but more fun for me if you can try and figure out who kira is. i bet you can't. but i'd like to see you try

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gimli was right i was picking whichever side of kawaii/gimli had more traction lol i'm pissed i wasn't more careful

but was i bussing kira? hmm. probably not. but you never can tell for sure...

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so, kira, your followers have sacrificed for you, time to do your part

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you don't have to believe me you can just lim me and see

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because it's boring

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it's your loss

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i already said it was boring, i didn't want to win that way. i wanted to make it interesting

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i also don't think i was going to get limmed for sure anyway

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yes kira comes in here with a dumb plan to claim follower when there's heat lmao you caught me

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go ahead, lim me and find out

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or you could wait for the mod to resolve the ability i just used

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huh?

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OH lol i didn't read it i just assumed it proved i wasn't kira

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no

i thought it proved i wasn't kira

i legit didn't read it past "i am not kira"

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it's okay. you lim me i still win

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i never used it because i wanted people to think i was kira

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i could have

i already explained i wanted to make it more interesting

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you can believe me or not i don't really care

i don't see your point though so w/e

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we'll see what other people think i guess

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i think you're smarter than that but we'll see

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it feels good to be open about it

game was just going to be boring otherwise

i think this is an insane play coming from kira tbh but if you just want to lim me i'm okay with it

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yes daddy kira

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is it really?

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do you really think that?

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is that so?

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are you sure?

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this is way more fun than just getting mislimmed lol

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omg i can't wait for people to come back and be like "wtf just happned"

i'm kira kira kira totally you should lim me

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good

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lmao

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i regret what i did, i should have just let us win normally, sorry kira.

looks like it's working out for us though so whatever

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i was born for the theatre

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VOTE: std

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gimli i already explained that

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you keep missing the obvious

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lol

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You guys really are so tunneled I could probably out kira now and itd be not against my wincon

You didn't even take a second to think of why I did what I did. You're so smug and that will be your downfall.

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Interesting...

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It's interesting what you take at face value and what you dont

Isn't it?

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I think you're bad at reading what I'm saying

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Lol

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So easy to bait

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Do it

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Show me what you got

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Is that so?

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UNVOTE:

:3

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What makes you think I'm kira more, voting myself or unvoting

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Kira kira kira

I'm kira

Kira

I'm kira kira kira

Look at me I'm kira

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I was proud of you for a second there gimli you gave yourself a chance

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Black: anything you do makes you kira!

Me: just according to keikaku
(Translator note: keikaku means plan)

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Nothing left to do but dance

Who wants to play ddr?

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sometimes you gamble and it doesn't pay off

thanks for the mod enchant