Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

[HighPrincessErinys]

Well, hello there. This one appears to be late to the big Kira Suspect Convention.
VOTE: Malakittens

I don't think I'd be playing any differently if my alignment was different
I can imagine my followers crying if I was Kira and already at L-1 during Day 1 because I did a little trolling

optimal tbh.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Well, hello there. This one appears to be late to the big Kira Suspect Convention.
VOTE: Malakittens

I don't think I'd be playing any differently if my alignment was different
I can imagine my followers crying if I was Kira and already at L-1 during Day 1 because I did a little trolling

optimal tbh.

hi HPE looking forward to playing with you again

why are you voting mala? cause she is always scum?

any thoughts on players so far?

Just kinda picked someone at random, my experience with scum!Mala was only the one game so this one isn't going so far as to say she's on a roll with getting scum.
Kokichi is ZZZ, this one doesn't think it super trusts Lorne and the skill claim, and Black's pro-active stance is nice to see. Strong opinions on multiple people seems to just not really be my thing this one notices but it'll try and not constantly have lukewarm reads on most people this time around.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Just kinda picked someone at random, my experience with scum!Mala was only the one game so this one isn't going so far as to say she's on a roll with getting scum.
Kokichi is ZZZ, this one doesn't think it super trusts Lorne and the skill claim, and Black's pro-active stance is nice to see. Strong opinions on multiple people seems to just not really be my thing this one notices but it'll try and not constantly have lukewarm reads on most people this time around.

you mean you think kokichi is boring? does that mean anything alignment-wise for him in your opinion?

He isn't particularly doing anything of value right now with his posts imo, but its too early for this one to go and throw a vote for that it feels.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Just kinda picked someone at random, my experience with scum!Mala was only the one game so this one isn't going so far as to say she's on a roll with getting scum.
Kokichi is ZZZ, this one doesn't think it super trusts Lorne and the skill claim, and Black's pro-active stance is nice to see. Strong opinions on multiple people seems to just not really be my thing this one notices but it'll try and not constantly have lukewarm reads on most people this time around.

you mean you think kokichi is boring? does that mean anything alignment-wise for him in your opinion?

He isn't particularly doing anything of value right now with his posts imo, but its too early for this one to go and throw a vote for that it feels.

What do you think about the votes on me then? Surely I must not be doing something right for multiple people to vote me? Or do you think people are just jumping on an early wagon to see? I'd like to get your opinion on each vote on me based on this post.

People are simply voicing their suspicions of you. This one can't say it particularly disagrees with the reasons why either. This one is debating if it wants to join them or not because it agrees you're kind of scummy and it honestly doesn't think we should be as reserved as we're being about taking out Followers.

so I think (mala, koki) is where things can be since

I'm kinda nullscum read on mala's entrance and talking to enchant instead of talking to people

I love enchant's modposts for some reason

he is too cute

How ironic

Also find a better Gotcha to spring on someone. Like you're right this is an oops hypocrisy moment. But this is really eh.

Unrelated to Kokichi:

ngl

i usually just glide over setup-talk/setup-spec only because its not a strong suit of mine. i try to stay out of it at all costs.

I believe it's just better to stay quiet of all costs bc we dont want scum getting any more information.

This one kinda hates this stance, trying to just coast by silent and passing it off as "it's preventing scum from getting info!" gives me very bad vibes. Progressing my RV on Mala to a genuine vote.

This one also sees zero reason to read into Kawaii quoting Puss In Boots at this time.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also, this one believes that no flipping was hinted at but was indeed forgotten to be properly included in the roles. Part of the tl;dr of the setup is:

3. Without skills, you have no idea who died players are, but they are surely not Kira or Detective. If Kira died, Game ends instantly. If Detective dies, you will learn at closest day start.

Though obviously it's kind of... vague and unclear still and in a section not everyone is going to read if they read the actual rules.

Also find a better Gotcha to spring on someone. Like you're right this is an oops hypocrisy moment. But this is really eh.

It's called a joke, I'm still NAI on Gimli.

[HighPrincessErinys]

that is an atrociously large adachi jesus christ.

[HighPrincessErinys]

If I thought you were scummy, I'd be voting you. I'm voting who i think is scummy so far.

Are you like, sure? Because your vote on Azu is pretty flimsy imo even if you try to paint it the way you did. Azu's vote at face value had barely anything to do with Gimli and this one doesn't see a point where Gimli admits you're a 'wrong read' like you claim. This is actually a packet of lies in general now that this one's analyzed.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gimli starts scumreading you, this one expresses doubt about you as well but doesn't vote, Azu follows up by saying "It's never too early to follow your dreams" and votes for you. This otherwise tells us nothing about how they got there for better or worse, but importantly does not implicate Gimli's points as part of their reasoning and could be literally any thing else under the sun. And you claim now that Azu was hopping onto some obviously Gimli-brand bandwagon that he somewhere stated is actually phony? Get real, as it were.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gimli starts scumreading you, this one expresses doubt about you as well but doesn't vote, Azu follows up by saying "It's never too early to follow your dreams" and votes for you. This otherwise tells us nothing about how they got there for better or worse, but importantly does not implicate Gimli's points as part of their reasoning and could be literally any thing else under the sun. And you claim now that Azu was hopping onto some obviously Gimli-brand bandwagon that he somewhere stated is actually phony? Get real, as it were.

Maybe you should like.. Read the interactions with me and Gimli. I've explained my thoughts on him already. I think Azu's vote was bad because of not only what I said but also the timing.

One thinks you are trying to paint me as scummy for things one does not think is that scummy.

This one thinks it did find where Gimli concedes one wrong point about meta (snore) out of... the entire rest of his argument, but either way this doesn't really change the fact your actual vote on Azu might as well be paper-thin here considering what you said is, as previously established, kinda hogwash.

[HighPrincessErinys]

And one still thinks you're trying to push on a narrative that is also paper thin. Have I been telling everyone to vote Azu or pushing them intensively? You also seem to be solely focused on me, despite others having similar votes without much weight. Which Makes me question your motive. Your posts have been 90% about me. What do you think about the rest of the game so far?

You don't need to have a vendetta against Azu for this one to call you out, y'know. Gimli/Black/Vander/Azu townlean, Mala/STD nullscum, Lorne nulltown (this one needs to give his ISO an intensive read honestly his posts have just been flying over my head but my vaguest impressions are that hes town-ish-y), Kawaii null. It's like 4:46am so don't take these TOO seriously until they're iterated upon at a more reasonable state of wakeness.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one normally wouldn't be super opposed to killing someone scummy right here and now, but due to the nature of the game it believes that maximizing our time to discuss is vital. Anyone pushing to get Kokichi (or anyone, for that matter) to hammer any time short of like, deadline day, is going to be on my radar.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I respect that people are pushing a top poster, it's not very common

Out of all those I am suspect of HPE's line of questioning since their bases was on gimli and me's interaction and when I proved that wrong, they kinda brushed it to the side and tried to make it based on me voting Azu and tried to paint it as me pushing them for a bad reason when I didn't even give a reason.

You and Gimli's posts were always required in order to talk about your Azu vote considering you brought Gimli's posts into the conversation. And why does your story keep changing? In that linked post you can see pretty clearly what is, pretty undeniably, some kind of reason for voting Azu. And then you gave another. And now you're saying you never had a reason? Is claiming your vote on Azu was without reason even a good idea??

Azu townlean. Gotta at least explain that one

While Azu's own lack of reasoning for their vote is starting to fester, this one believes their posts to be solidly towny otherwise, if laconic. All of their mechspec has been pointing out things that are in the favor of town, and 284 is literally just solving. There's a vibes aspect but their actual play is, in my opinion, town.

I really like HPE's posts, the push on kokichi, and all its leans. I'm calling a towncore of black/vander/HPE aorn, with a townread on Azu. I agree with leaving lorne and STD at null atm. I think flipping inside of (koki, mala, kawaii) is good for d1.

Yikes

...And this one is starting to see what Gimli means, it thinks.

Is this hypocrisy? Vote on your phones because this one doesn't know:
VOTE: Kokichi Oma

[HighPrincessErinys]

Considering the fact that me and your posting has taken up about over 50% of the post and the most of that me trying to defend myself instead of being given the opportunity to find scum, is probably the reason.

It is actually rather quite simple to just start scumhunting. You can do it in the same posts as defending yourself even.
In other news this one would like to bring @Malakittens kicking and screaming back into the light now that 'setup spec' is over. And ideally for more than one post before they sink back into posting once every 2 days.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Okay it's independent of me. Then okay. And I don't think we're going to vote out Kawaii today anyway, so no point.

I'm actually just going to look through iso's and stop trying to defend myself cause my back and forth with you is distracting me too much.

I am extremely down to daykill Kawaii.

I don't like the fact that Kawaii has never responded to me calling out that post I thought was scummy, or asked me about my vote.

At this point a daykill on Kawaii doesn't feel necessary. Sinking into background is feeling more and more like a scum thing to this one but even if we condemn them in a day or two it honestly doesn't think it would be worth it especially for the detective reveal. And then there's the aspect of when you wait multiple days, the gamestate and what we know and who's scummiest will change. Condemn now = Total gamble, condemn later = We don't even know if we'd want to at that point. Thus if you want Kawaii dead NOW, vote them. Though again this one prefers dragging the game days out for max discussion and analysis.

[HighPrincessErinys]

At this point a daykill on Kawaii doesn't feel necessary. Sinking into background is feeling more and more like a scum thing to this one but even if we condemn them in a day or two it honestly doesn't think it would be worth it especially for the detective reveal. And then there's the aspect of when you wait multiple days, the gamestate and what we know and who's scummiest will change. Condemn now = Total gamble, condemn later = We don't even know if we'd want to at that point. Thus if you want Kawaii dead NOW, vote them. Though again this one prefers dragging the game days out for max discussion and analysis.

I didn't understand anything you wrote.

we are eliminating kawaii cause it's the most likely kira rn and your defense is word salad which is quite frankly very alarming.

the more people write weird things about kawaii and softdefend them with crappy or obscure reasoning, the more I wanna just go ahead and get that elimination through. I think I'm convinced we need to flip kawaii.

There is not a lick of defense for Kawaii in there, this one is just saying Vote > Detective's Condemn on killing them.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I am extremely down to daykill Kawaii.

Wait what??? Did you just say the Detective should out themselves and use their dayvig to kill kawaii?

I think they just mean vote out.

Oh I think you're right. My brain isn't working right today

If VS actually meant voting Kawaii out when they said "daykill" then he's confused us both.

[HighPrincessErinys]

ah

no of course he didn't mean out the detective. we can just vote out a scummy slot. we don't need to out the detective to do that.

Then follow your heart's desire as you please. The longer it takes Kawaii (AND Mala) to resurface, the more this one grows wary of them.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I just don't buy it was a gambit by kame, I think he has to say something to defend himself now anyway so saying that is as good as anything. I think it's relevant that kokichi/HPE/black all defended kawaii to some extent (with black ignoring kawaii and pushing me for confidence) so we have a completely fitting story to push throguh and figure out. koki wasn't working for kira cause everyone was fine hanging him. with kawaii there's more resistance with much less reasoning to be townreading. I started getting heat by black after I was set with the kawaii flip and whatnot.

I also think it's funny that koki is saying people are sheeping me when everyone that's scumreading kawaii is doing so independently, clearly. it's just a blatantly scum play so far and defending it from the angle of 'gimli is sus' doesn't feel right.

Still don't know where you're getting a Kawaii defense from especially now that the whole "daykill" thing is sorted.

Also in general this one is... disappointed in you Gimli. This is a fall from grace for sure. This one does not particularly to read the other games because it couldn't care less about the meta aspect, and especially because what's right in front of it makes it very very wary of you. There is a case to be made for a scumlean Kawaii but there is no way in hell this flimsy Kira!Kawaii case is going anywhere, because it just doesn't make any sense off-paper. This one isn't particularly keen on Kawaii still because it doesn't think they've actually done a whole lot towny outside of their defense (447 is

excellent

. At the same time there's a point you could make about a reasonable defense against a shitpush being NAI but this isn't a defense of Kawaii so who cares), but even it can see you're blowing their scumminess out of proportion.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I started to push kawaii, and suddenly people started defending him. when I was pushing kokichi, there was no resistance from any parts of the thread. when I started pushing kawaii, I started to become a wagon myself. that increases the likelihood that I'm onto something and that's why I'm pursuing this elimination, to the very end and even if I annoy enough townies to be flipped for it.

Resistance =/= Correct. As an obvious example, pushing a confirmed Cop is going to get you a giant pile of it. You're getting resistance because people don't see you as having a point or making a good read, unlike Kokichi who several people agreed was acting scummy. It's secondhand defense by virtue of the push itself being bad even if none of us are exactly Kawaii fans.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Lorne Malvo
Today feels like the day where all of my townreads make asses of themselves.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Lorne Malvo
Today feels like the day where all of my townreads make asses of themselves.

Was Lorne your townread?

This one had him previously pegged as nulltown needing an ISO reread (that it forgot to do).

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Lorne Malvo
Today feels like the day where all of my townreads make asses of themselves.

See what happens when you stop tunneling one person and look at the posts from others?

Lorne being weird like

just

happened right in front of me you miserable jester.

[HighPrincessErinys]

UNVOTE: Lorne Malvo
Thinking it can semi-safely write off Lorne as just being a goofball townie here now that he's given SOME form of explanation to his actions. Its on the fence about if it wants to slap even a pressure vote onto Gimli because his push is bad but his persistence is intriguing and this one feels like even followers would have more self-preservation than to keep pushing a wagon that is teetering on the edge of backfiring and killing them.

[HighPrincessErinys]

StD! How nice of you to join us! Say, while you're here, mind participating in the game you have posted in since post #370? Maybe, give us your thoughts on the wagons at play?

[HighPrincessErinys]

if i'm detective or assistant then I still want props from getting the rest of it right:

1. Detective - mala
2. Assistant - STD
3. Taskforce Member - vander
4. Taskforce Member - meg
5. Taskforce Member - gimli
6. Taskforce Member - lorne
7. Taskforce Member - HPE
8. Kira Follower - black
9. Kira Follower - kokichi
10. Kira - kawaii

I strongly believe black is not a follower, I think the initial post about not understanding what followers know was genuine.

ur probably right

im mad at myself for not putting HPE there instead of black

What makes you suddenly think me a follower? Because this one won't vote Kawaii with you?

[HighPrincessErinys]

What makes you suddenly think me a follower? Because this one won't vote Kawaii with you?

yeah you're weird about kawaii

And do you have an

actual

case against me or is it just your undying confidence that Kawaii is Kira speaking?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Noteworthy that PoE here can easily be disrupted by someone who's already been eliminated from the equation being a big fat phony. We also can't confirm anyone because the detective

can

land people without secrets, aka the Taskforce Members (assuming no DN passing), but then he can't exactly relay that information without now having a giant target painted on his back. In other words this one thinks voting StD on a process of elimination alone is something you should think twice about, at the very least.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Because I don't think HPE's post makes any sense at all, you could basically sub in any name for yours and the post would be exactly the same. The only place HPE talks about you specifically is mentioning that you have been scummy.

There was

no

defense of Kawaii. The post was only about the misunderstanding of what daykill meant, as this one thought you were referring to the detective's Condemn ability, not just voting someone off to eliminate them. The argument was vote don't condemn, because again, it misunderstood. Will you stop continuing the misunderstanding yourself now, please?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Beyond that, this one is somehow even less sure of who it wants to vote now. Not opposed to putting the pressure on Mala/StD, however.
Also @Mod VC 1.6 is a bit quirked up.

Save The Dragons

(1): Malakittens

Lorne Malvo

(1): Black

Save The Dragons

(1): KawaiiKame

[HighPrincessErinys]

OKAY. Record is set straight. Excellent.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Noteworthy that PoE here can easily be disrupted by someone who's already been eliminated from the equation being a big fat phony.

Who do you feel is the most likely to be the phony seen as town?

going to get back to you on this both because this one needs to reread a bit it thinks and because it is not feeling very well

[HighPrincessErinys]

Noteworthy that PoE here can easily be disrupted by someone who's already been eliminated from the equation being a big fat phony.

Who do you feel is the most likely to be the phony seen as town?

going to get back to you on this both because this one needs to reread a bit it thinks and because it is not feeling very well

update: this one thinks it has food poisoning or gastroenteritis or something. splendid.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one is going to try and keep up with the game regardless but it's going to set V/LA for a few days just incase, it thinks.

[HighPrincessErinys]

The conversation has spun WILDLY out of my comprehension. Can this one get an update or two?

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one thinks that if it had to vote then it might just choose Gimli. A vote count would be highly appreciated first.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one admittedly still isn't as caught up as it'd like to be but it feels like something about him and his reads has been... off. It'll try and do an actual proper ISO read later but this food poisoning has been keeping me mostly in the bed and bathroom and it's been hard to keep up properly. Apologies.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Don't read my ISO with food poisoning

Perhaps a good idea. We'll see.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Does anyone think HPE is Kira?

HPE's playstyle

fits perfectly

with how I see Kira playing...
I felt HPE felt too town to be Kira, this makes me anxious...
Why? Kira plays insanely town, think back to,
"Kira will play the best town game"

Y'know, this one could just... be town? Have you thought about that?

I'm okay with recent mala content though it's not amazing by any means

I thought gimli/kawaii was a possibility but maybe not? Maybe this is a distancing hail Mary though.

Thinking.

At this point this one is 100% confident that Gimli/Kawaii are not Follower/Kira or Assistant/Detective together because there is no way in hell an informed Gimli would push and attempt to flip the guy he's supposed to protect so hard and so persistently. The inverse, maybe??, but not Follower/Assistant Gimli, absolutely not.


This one thinks the food poisoning is mostly gone so it's going to try and atleast SKIM through Gimli's ISO before it goes and does something silly and whimsical for a few hours and misses another 7 pages.

[HighPrincessErinys]

pedit: why is mala town by default?

You

did

put a (?) next to your own read, Kawaii. Mind explaining?

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one thinks it's willing to flip Mala just because it hasn't really been able to get a good read on her, and is unfortunately a low-content slot which is worth killing here it thinks. Would mention StD defense but this one is still going through Gimli's ISO, or rather the like latter portion of it starting just about around post 100, since that's about when it thinks things get relevant.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hey, Gimli.

What the fuck was all this?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hey, Gimli.

What the fuck was all this?

you need to ask me especifically what part of it you're confused about

What motivated you to comically wagonhop and change reads multiple times in such a short span of time? Furthermore what is compelling you to do the same here and now with Kawaii/Mala? And don't say compromise wagon because that feels like a weak excuse for some rather erratic play considering how much you seemed to be townreading Kawaii. A compromise wagon on someone you very actively strongly townread is just weird as hell to me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gimli ISO read done, going to ctrl+f Mala in StD's now and then cast my vote from there probably.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gimli ISO read done, going to ctrl+f Mala in StD's now and then cast my vote from there probably.

VOTE: Malakittens
Not doing anything for this one honestly.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gimli is walking a fine line for me atm but this one thinks keeping him around at least for another day is good. In general it thinks we just really need some fucking night actions and a kill from Kira (or Meg if the teehee funny happens) to advance the game state.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Like holy shit if we can remove a person or two from the equation entirely that would be splendid. Not to mention Detective getting to brainstorm which has a (assuming no shenanigans) 3 in 4 chance of catching a badman.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE what is your read on Meg?

Feels towny rn but needs an ISO reread of their own. Probably going to do that and then disappear for my previously mentioned whimsical activities.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Without ISOing her first can you tell me why she feels townie?

Gonna be real with you it's just kinda vibes and also their opening post which as Gimli pointed out is very likely not a post that Kira would make imo. This should come as exactly why this one needs to go and do a proper ISO to get more than "uhh... feels town :)"

[HighPrincessErinys]

ISO read done. Azu still feels VERY towny honestly. Don't super agree with some of her earlier posts but they're not really scummy and beyond that she gets very towny and stays that way.

[HighPrincessErinys]

We are on evens, I'm partial to a day 1 no lim here tbh.

It looks like this is going to happen...

No lim is honestly not the worst as Azu's said before considering it flips someone who is definitely town.

ISO read done. Azu still feels VERY towny honestly. Don't super agree with some of her earlier posts but they're not really scummy and beyond that she gets very towny and stays that way.

I'm reading Azu's IS0, I'm getting the same town feeling as you, who else is town to you HPE?

Black and Vanderscamp are my main townreads rn, with Kokichi being a lesser lean. Lorne this one previously called just a goofball townie but it's pretty sure he could be a goofball scummie too, so. That's just what he is regardless of alignment it thinks. A goofball.

You feel... kinda towny? You're a little confusing to get a read on honestly, kind of in the same camp as Gimli where you're teeter-tottering from one lean to the other constantly. You're probably in need of an ISO read too but its time for this one to do its whimsical activities instead of living in the thread.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It is kind of unreal how we still have 2 RL days before the gameday ends by deadline.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Like holy shit if we can remove a person or two from the equation entirely that would be splendid. Not to mention Detective getting to brainstorm which has a (assuming no shenanigans) 3 in 4 chance of catching a badman.

As in eliminating them?

Are you asking about the first or second part of the question?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Elimination + Whoever Kira kills

[HighPrincessErinys]

Then again Kira can delay the kill or hit someone with a fake name, so we might just get trolled.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It is kind of unreal how we still have 2 RL days before the gameday ends by deadline.

Do you want to continue until the deadline/eliminate someone b4?

This one's said before that a night phase would probably help a lot, so its hoping we can end a bit sooner rather than hit deadline.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Apologies for sleeping in. This one is not CCing Assistant either.
And also it's making the more enlightened vote: VOTE: Gimli

[HighPrincessErinys]

Not_Mafia replaces Lorne Malvo. Deadline continues.

Very little changes with this slot then, hmm?

[HighPrincessErinys]

what the fuck is going on

[HighPrincessErinys]

Are we actually waiting for the mods to kill Vander IF Mala is Detective?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Then its time to send another PM to the mods.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Then its time to send another PM to the mods.

Why do you not want to talk about this?

yeah I see HPE is being very reserved around this... twilight?

To be fair this one was gaming. And also PMing the mods is so we actually get this resolved sooner rather than later. This one really wants to see what the hell happens first between Vander and Mala with the Condemn because one's a liar the other isn't, because there is no way in hell the Assistant would actually CC Assistant against the Detective, meaning that IF Mala IS the Detective and the Condemn goes through, Vander is almost certainly scum. Honestly 99% chance that Mala is Det here because not even Kira would have the balls to try and do a fake Condemn and then get walloped when it doesn't go through. Though we uh, need to see if it does first. Mods have been woefully hands off and this one hopes that changes in the following gamedays assuming Vander isn't Kira.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This is the second time beetlejuice has been used as a verb and this one is wondering what the hell it means.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Alas, if only it were that easy...

[HighPrincessErinys]

Regardless this one's opinion of Mala has gone from 0 to 100 since the claim. The likelihood that one of the 3 Stooges is dead here is very high, not sure about the odds of it being Kira though.

[HighPrincessErinys]

So a few things:


Mala knows she's outed and this is a play from her to try and out the detective.
Please try not to react in obvious ways.

I don't want to say a lot about this but it blows my mind that anyone is thinking Mala is real here. I'm never claiming this as Kira so if she's real she's outing as detective D1 to shoot someone who almost certainly isn't Kira, which doesn't make any sense.


The actual play here we do now btw is we all vote Mala.
Either I die to the vig shot, which won't happen, or we get proof that Mala is lying, in which case we should just be snap limming her and moving on.

oof

I'm glad you're town, I'd be eating so much rope for my d1 if you weren't

let's give it a second for enchant to at least be awake and then we'll vote mala and move on

STD/lorne contains the other scums imo

Gimli, you seem quick to believe him before anything's even

happened

.

[HighPrincessErinys]

you just said you were lying and you dont have that power

Yes let me just beetlejuice the mods

I DONT HAVE THAT POWER OK

AOMEONE PUT ME IN JAIL SI I SURVIVE

GOGIGIGIOOO

You could technically interpret that as being what Mala meant, but there's also the context of this one talking about PMing the mods, which Mala ALSO mentions. "I don't have that power ok" could be "I can't summon the mods." or "I don't actually have Condemn."

[HighPrincessErinys]

I wonder if kokichi thought kawaii was his follower and was defending him because of that

I thought kawaii was detective. In the movie the one who says "I'm death straight up" is the one hunting the main character who is a bad guy

holy shit this quote again. oh my god what is with you people and reading so much into it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

you just said you were lying and you dont have that power

Yes let me just beetlejuice the mods

I DONT HAVE THAT POWER OK

AOMEONE PUT ME IN JAIL SI I SURVIVE

GOGIGIGIOOO

You could technically interpret that as being what Mala meant, but there's also the context of this one talking about PMing the mods, which Mala ALSO mentions. "I don't have that power ok" could be "I can't summon the mods." or "I don't actually have Condemn."

but 'someone put me in jail if I survive' puts it in the context of not being the detective, don't you think?

Ah yes, in the setup with nothing even remotely equivalent to a Jailor.

[HighPrincessErinys]

h

[HighPrincessErinys]

Twas my turn to forget something about the setup then.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Then in that case it just makes Mala look better. Go To Jail is a skill that someone who isn't the Detective can have, and unlike what Gimli said you said, "someone put me in jail if I survive", what you ACTUALLY said is "put me in jail

so

I survive".

[HighPrincessErinys]

Could you explain your Kira read on me sometime? Probably after Night phase since Enchant should get the ball rolling on Vander's condemn by the time you wake up.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Granted your twilight posting feels town though
Ofc after I put the action in

This one was playing Deep Rock Galactic before then, so.

[HighPrincessErinys]

But if she was going to do the detective shot anyway, why not

Most people, Detective included, probably wouldn't CC a Detective claim that'll get killed naturally after (assumedly) they fail to vig someone. Assistant however is a good claim, and CCing that and getting away with it puts you in the Detective's good graces. Unfortunately for Vander, he picked the wrong person to CC on that.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one expected people to catch on quick even without the 'this one' stuff being in the announcement, not to get hit with competency test. Ah well. VOTE: Gimli
If it wasn't obvious, this one is going all-in on Gimli being our Kira. The announcement should give you all of the associatives you could ask for, or at least direct you where to look for them. On the flipside of the coin, Black gave a sound* case for me as Kira with Vanderscamp being one of my followers, but the thing to consider is this: Would the Followers openly townread Kira, or largely not interact with them? This one townread both Vanderscamp and MegAzumarill for much of the game, but neither really batted an eye towards me in return, whilst they were all over Gimli. This one thinks despite our theory of how Kira and the Followers would play, that its probably the

former

rather than the latter, especially as they'd like to get noticed and work together as a team in whatever way possible despite having no private channels, and propelling Kira to be a commanding voice in the game is beneficial. In general it's time to choose your Kira: This one, or Gimli.

*We'll talk about that a little in a bit because there's a post this one didn't get to make during twilight.

my initial reaction is that flipping HPE is very good baseline we have for today, because she is 100% outed with this result, yes? with the difficulty being wether it is kira or it is a follower.

And who says this one is outed exactly? Doesn't particularly make any sense when all it did was make a PA stating its thoughts in the non-zero chance it died instead of Malakittens for some ungodly reason.

[HighPrincessErinys]

**And before we talk about that get my goddamned pronouns right please.

[HighPrincessErinys]

So: Most of this was written during twilight, and it has been minimally edited to keep the situation up to date.

Spoiler: really beeg post

After looking at Vander/HPE interactions...it could definitely be HPE Kira here. Vander actually avoided the slot for 95% of the game. The couple of interactions they have seem forced on Vander's end (312, 407, 778, 1751). Outside of these direct quotes to HPE, Vander hasn't mentioned HPE at all and has dropped a total of

zero

reads on HPE this game

In this reads list in #1419 (shown below) Vander lists off thoughts on everyone but HPE and Meg...

I kind of just want the day to end at this point, I feel like I'm just tunneling my reads harder and harder.

I still think

Gimli

is a pretty terrible lim, I think the way he's played is the kind of inconsistency that comes more often from passionate town than scum with an agenda.

I still don't think

Kawaii

is town, but I think other people sound scummy and I'm happy to entertain the possibility that I'm just really tunneled.


I didn't like

Mala's

reaction to Gimli at all, I feel like when someone calls you out as a TPR people react in several different ways. I think the towny way to react, regardless of whether you'reTPR or not, is to kind of play into it, like giving a wink emoji or joking about your vig target or something.
I think Mala's reaction was pretty scummy, like Mala seemed really annoyed in a really obviously "I'm a TPR" type way. I get that this may seem unhelpful to talk about, but it was imo so blatant that there's no chance anyone missed it, so I'm just going to talk about it. I basically feel like if you are what you're softing it doesn't make sense because you would not want to actually react in that way, and it didn't feel at all like a VT trying to take a bullet, so I think it was just scummy.

I thought

STD's

reaction to Gimli a few pages ago was pretty good, I got the vibe from it that they actually believed what they were saying and weren't defending themselves just for the sake of defending themselves.

I really, really, really don't like

kokichi's

continual defence of "I literally can't be Kira" because it relies on the premise that followers would have just hard defended them facing an early D1, and the fact that no one did is clearing.
I don't really think this is something kokichi actually believes so it just reads as false.

Other than that, my non updated reads are that I think

black

and

lorne

are town and

everyone else is null

.

Everyone else is HPE and Meg

HPE's iso doesn't really feel all that great. It feels like it is posturing for a Gimli mislim tomorrow after the vig shot kills a follower and doesn't end the game

It has PM'ed the mod multiple times to end the day (1703) which I think Kira would absolutely do here to stop any additional conversation

1769 feels a little defensive after accused of being Kira, and also anxious that the mod won't end the Day

1780 feels like HPE is trying to convince StD that mala could be lying while also saying Vander picked the wrong person to CC

This one obviously can't speak for Vander not talking about me, even if it

was

Kira it couldn't. It hasn't had a lot of faith in Vander personally since it voted Gimli.

As for the posts you quote:
1: This one PM'd the mods about that one time, mind, the previous was for a vote count, the one we got from CSF. The

reason

it PM'd the mods is because after a roughly 500 post drought of votecounts that needed a PM and ones posted very sparsely afterwards, it believed that the mods needed to have someone bring attention to Malakittens actually y'know, Condemning someone. This one doesn't think making sure that mechanics don't take overly long to resolve is inherently Kira play, but you're technically right that it could be in Kira's favor.

2: This one... asked for someone to present their case after accusing it of being Kira? Like that is a fullstop Kira read on it, it has every right to be kind of defensive in the first place and ask for their reasoning. This one also really genuinely just does not get where you're coming from on the "anxious mod won't end day" bit when it's just asking Mala to elaborate when able since she was going to bed and there was no guarantee she'd wake up/say anything else before Enchant showed up and ended the day.

3: This one also does not see how it's trying to convince StD that Mala is lying, especially when it had been pretty confident that Mala's Condemn would go through and prove her as Detective for most of the time since she did it. "while also saying Vander picked the wrong person to CC" is because there he literally

did

by CCing the Detective's Assistant claim when, if he was the actual Assistant, he would know it's the Detective claiming. And what does that spell? Eating a Condemn to the face because he outed himself.

Your Vanderscamp follower case is admittedly sound, but you should really try looking for a second follower, too.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Vote: HPE

That's e-4

@HPE: why didn't you write your note in third person?

Because this one thought that anonymity would help a bit with people reading with a bias to disbelieve me if they were Kirareading me or whatever. This is kind of evidently what is happening when you openly suggest that I did it to try and silently prop myself up for today.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Your Vanderscamp follower case is admittedly sound, but you should really try looking for a second follower, too.

Ehhh. What good does finding a second follower here do? The second follower will be whoever votes for Gimli here instead of you imo

Are you just trying to funnel people into me without any room for weighing the options? What happened to taking our time with this?

[HighPrincessErinys]

lmao at hpe spewing me not kira after being outed scum

Again: How is it outed? Genuinely, go on and tell it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't think I'm going to vote HPE. One will look elsewhere.

Oh here's the other follower lol

Again with "Anyone who dares to not immediately go for HPE's throat is their Follower"... You are in a complete killspiral on me and are taking every reason and excuse you can find to throw mud onto my name because of it. Rather than see Kira and Kira only in everything it does however, you should try and regard this one as what it simply is. If you still find Kira then, so be it. But otherwise, consider the flipside of every coin you look at, for both me and Gimli, yea?

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one really does think it sees what Kokichi meant by the confidence metaread now, but that's neither here nor there considering this isn't start of D1 Gimli either way.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one really does think it sees what Kokichi meant by the confidence metaread now, but that's neither here nor there considering this isn't start of D1 Gimli either way.

The irony. Now you are the one who everyone wants out

This one can't help but feel like it has a history of getting mass-scumread as town. Or help but feel like this is a "suffering from success" moment if these absolutely mystifying Kawaii posts are anything to go off of.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Speaking of Kawaii, this one would like your thoughts on the situation.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Black, what if Gimli is tricking you? How can you be so pawsitive that it's not Kira's mind games working on you?

I'm not that positive. I'm not very good at this game so I'm going on what I feel. My detective thought it was HPE and I think she's right

Your detective also wanted Gimli.



BUT, you need to be more confident in yourself! We are so fur-tunate to have you as Kitty's assistant

...That's true. This one is the Kira read but Gimli is a scumread aswell.

Here’s some tips:

Town remain calm.

Don’t auto look at gimli. I just don’t think he’s full Kira, but again I suck at associates.

Reread all interactions.
Vander is confirmed scum REMEMBER THIS.

You got this.

I’m also sorry and I should have holstered, but I believe in you.

Also to my assistant: my hat is off to you.

I’m going to bed

Part of the delay is the skill I have that’s a day ability
In addition to my day vig

Lmafo

I’m trying to see if my solve is right

My solve is

Hpe as Kira

Gimli

& vander as followers

[HighPrincessErinys]

it could also be an attempt at distancing, the follower not trying to alert HPE that they're a follower, but trying to separate themselves and make it look like, in the event they got caught, that HPE wasn't kira.

This is how I feel. If we think Vander was signaling to his Kira all game then Kira is Gimli. If we think Vander tried to avoid his Kira all game then it's HPE

This is pretty much what it comes down to, yes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

mala made a POE that literally excluded me and included both kokichi and HPE

And these posts are after that.

[HighPrincessErinys]

as a follower

we're not follower hunting

And we're not calling you a Follower, now are we?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Living and dying by the Detective alone is a poor idea in general this one thinks, because you should really take what was not considered by the Detective into account. See: The things this one pointed out in its announcement.

[HighPrincessErinys]

with HPE hoping the anonymous note would stir the pot and push us towards gimli.

Everyone seems to be overlooking this. HPE even said it tried to remain anonymous on the note. That means it was not planning on telling us it wrote it. It was going to blindly agree with the note all along and push Gimli, but kawaii ruined that plan

This one never said it was going to never reveal it wrote it, just that not getting instantly biased against by people who are already inclined to think me as Kira is nice.

[HighPrincessErinys]

You also kind of seem to be overestimating knowing who wrote the announcement and what their intention was VS. the contents of the announcement and the conclusions you draw for yourself from that. Me

or

Gimli is very realistically possible and even on a caught 'lie' the announcement is a real Kiracase against him. Would being caught 'lying' really change that? No, it just gives you the tinted glasses of "Well this was definitely malicious!" and then bam you're blind to the color red all along the ISOs it pointed out.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Either way, this one does not think Gimli is currently posting in good faith, considering his premature callings of 'outed scum' which he refused to elaborate on, and 1903 which has zero basis in reality.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Vander had systematic logic the whole game, coming to the most reasonable conclusions, so I see Vander accepting HPE's explanation as is at face value since it makes sense logically, I feel Vand may have let off HPE too easily since he pursued everyone else but it's hard to say he didn't back off HPE with logic alone

oh wait a minute

do you think tossing a softball and having HPE knock it down for Vander to be like "you're right daddy kira" could have been a signal to HPE that Vander was a follower or is that too big brain

Vander's intelligent enough to do this yes
The possibility exists that Vander found HPE's explanation logically sound enough to back off tho

He

should've.

In general this interaction does not actually parse as a signal when Vanderscamp posted confusing terminology several people figured wrongly, this one posted a response that several people figured wrongly as well, and that naturally from there you'd clear the air.

[HighPrincessErinys]

You also kind of seem to be overestimating knowing who wrote the announcement and what their intention was VS. the contents of the announcement and the conclusions you draw for yourself from that. Me

or

Gimli is very realistically possible and even on a caught 'lie' the announcement is a real Kiracase against him. Would being caught 'lying' really change that? No, it just gives you the tinted glasses of "Well this was definitely malicious!" and then bam you're blind to the color red all along the ISOs it pointed out.

I see much more incentive for Kira!HPE to write this note and lie about writing it than I do for town!Kira

Again, tinted glasses. Can you actually say what lying about it would do, too? Pawning it off as the work of someone else would get "Nope, not me." and even without speaking in third person this one believes it has a very distinct writing/typing style compared to others in this game and people would know it was this one regardless after a while. Using it to signal to my one supposed Follower doesn't do a whole lot when they'd probably know what's up already from this one being suspected and it voting Gimli. The truth of the announcement is immutable, even by virtue of a supposed liar author.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Vander doesn't think HPE is towny?

Wait this is actually a good catch. Here he implies that he thinks HPE is scummy but later he leaves HPE off his list and says "everyone else is null"

Why would Vander not include HPE on his reads list as scummy if he scumread HPE?

Answer: HPE is Kira

GOD you are tunneled.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Kawaii has a point here. Vander's 1094[post] implying that HPE is scummy, then his [post]1419 in which leaves HPE off his reads (saying those he left off are null) is pretty telling

Don't think that Kawaii is trying to portray it the way you are... Also you did this one's work for it, because a 325 post gap is a plausible amount of time for him to change his read. Or y'know, he could've just been nullreading this one the entire time. He doesn't call the list very towny but he doesn't call it very scummy either. It's honestly just speculation to say he was calling it a list of scummy players.

[HighPrincessErinys]

it can easily be std

This doesn't make any sense in reality and you know that.

[HighPrincessErinys]

it can easily be std

This doesn't make any sense in reality and you know that.

huh? why is that?

Do your ass an ISO read and you'll see that StD and Vanderscamp agree like, once. Vanderscamp calls StD's reaction good and then most of their interactions are disagreements, Vander including StD in solve lists for Kira/Followers, and by the end during twilight just openly saying that he thinks StD is a Follower to a lying Kira!Mala. They have zero synergy, yet nor are they keeping distance.

[HighPrincessErinys]

So please, at least have the dignity to meet me head on instead of trying to go OOOOH IT COULD BE ANYONEEEEE when you know damn well what's up.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE, who are your Kira candidates other than Gimli?

The only actually viable candidate is me. It is either this one or Gimli, even it can see that.

[HighPrincessErinys]

it can easily be std

This doesn't make any sense in reality and you know that.

huh? why is that?

Do your ass an ISO read and you'll see that StD and Vanderscamp agree like, once. Vanderscamp calls StD's reaction good and then most of their interactions are disagreements, Vander including StD in solve lists for Kira/Followers, and by the end during twilight just openly saying that he thinks StD is a Follower to a lying Kira!Mala. They have zero synergy, yet nor are they keeping distance.

which means they've been avoiding each other almost as much as vanderscamp has been avoiding you

and you're defending std which you probably have no reason to as kira

so you're either a townie or a follower and std is kira?

Do you not know the difference between avoidance/distancing and actively vouching that your Kira is scum? Vander's play makes zero fucking sense as a Follower to StD.

[HighPrincessErinys]

The only actually viable candidate is me. It is either this one or Gimli, even it can see that.

Really? You don't think it could be Meg? No_Mafia?

One of them is Gimli's Follower, the other isn't. The announcement told you this.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gimli is very blatantly and openly trying to do anything he can to confuse town and get them off him, how can you not see this?

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think I struck a nerve when I brought up std and hpe's reaction was very telling, I don't think it reacts like that to anyone else being brought up here unless it feels the need to defend that slot. that's why I think hpe telegraphed std as kira, and I really do think std has been just scummy the entire game but I think that of him every game...

if you all prefer hpe that's fine but I don't think so atm.

Struck a nerve? Need to defend that slot? No you're just being incredibly obvious in what you're trying to do, and that's redirecting pressure on you to literally anyone else.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Maybe Gimli is HPE's follower too? Light skim and there are already some weird interactions in Gimli's ISO

if i'm detective or assistant then I still want props from getting the rest of it right:

1. Detective - mala
2. Assistant - STD
3. Taskforce Member - vander
4. Taskforce Member - meg
5. Taskforce Member - gimli
6. Taskforce Member - lorne
7. Taskforce Member - HPE
8. Kira Follower - black
9. Kira Follower - kokichi
10. Kira - kawaii

I strongly believe black is not a follower, I think the initial post about not understanding what followers know was genuine.

ur probably right

im mad at myself for not putting HPE there instead of black

Before this post Gimli had HPE in his townlock. Nothing indicated he had a follower or a scumread on HPE at all, and then this post happened

YOU ARE OVERTHINKING THIS SO BADLY

[HighPrincessErinys]

Before this post Gimli had HPE in his townlock. Nothing indicated he had a follower or a scumread on HPE at all, and then this post happened

my idea on HPE there was specifically being kawaii's follower, cause of that post where it was defending him but it wasn't defending him that looked like crazy word salad talk, and I thought she gained a lot of equity specifically as kawaii's follower there.

I think if you wanna look at my d1 through lens of hpe being my kira you can certainly make the case for it. I do suggest you understand why I'm saying her behaviour now makes more sense as follower than as kira, because the reality is that I'm town and I'm trying to convey pure towny thoughts to you.

"Pure towny thoughts" is an interesting smokescreen for the stunt you're trying to pull. It is actively driving this one insane how no one sees how so so blatant this play is.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i kinda think hpe would have tried to strike down any slot you suggested, you just happened to pick me

either you're kira and hpe is pure and it is correct and wants to lim you

or hpe is kira and is trying hard to lim you specifically because that's its plan for looking townie

im having trouble seeing other possibilities

we can both be town, one of us can be a follower and the other town. show me your work on how you can have this POE of two people as possible kira. can't be kokichi, can't be meg, can't be not_mafia?

It's possible that kokichi/meg/not_mafia is Kira, but how likely? Give me a Kira case on all 3 of them
I want you to give the 3 Kira cases on what indicates them to be Kira and I want HPE to give a P0E case as to why Kira is only you/HPE

Alright alright alrighty then. Let's see what Vander thinks of these three!

Kokichi:

This is a surprisingly genuine set of interactions. Vander and Kokichi agree with each other sometimes, and disagree with each other sometimes. They aren't really distancing nor is Vander sheeping Kokichi. That being said, he also openly postulates a possible Kira!Kokichi multiple times and even briefly mentions feeling a Mala/Kokichi/StD pair before focusing on Kawaii. The disagreeing hurts a bit too.

Meg:

A lot more sparse, admittedly a case for distancing could be made. Prominent disagreement in 1094 however.

Lorne:

A bit more of an active townread situation, with the main standout probably being 763. Lorne also seems to mostly townread Vander, except for his final post before being banned in which he literally naked votes Vanderscamp. This is BEFORE the Condemn too. Kira, technically possible, but Vander also took a liking to Black and well... She certainly ain't Kira now is she?

One could really make an argument for all three if they tried, but what's fundamentally important is how realistic that is, and if that person is even likely to be Kira WITHOUT the associative at play to begin with.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@HPE - you answered Gimli's question. You were supposed to answer why it's only you/Gimli here as possible Kira options

It's a process of elimination either way, you should realize.

[HighPrincessErinys]

hpe is playing like a follower would, trying 1v1s, being loud, acting obtusely. I don't think that's how kira would behave.

This one is trying to 1v1 you because it firmly and staunchly believes you to be Kira you meatball. The way you keep trying to wrap everything around your finger, spinning StD as Kira and this one as their follower... It's an admittedly good play, Black's said as much, but the way you're going about it, your tone, and what you were doing BEFORE settling on that possibility, give the impression of absolutely zero good faith. You're very much trying to muddy the waters rather than simply go for the throat on an easy elimination (Not that you didn't try) because it gives everyone else the impression that you're some kind of town paragon making the biggest brained solve of all time or whatever the fuck, which of course seems to be helping your odds the way you're shaking up Black.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@HPE - you answered Gimli's question. You were supposed to answer why it's only you/Gimli here as possible Kira options

It's a process of elimination either way, you should realize.

You should realize you have conveniently left out StD in your PoE. If he does end up being your Kira then you probably shouldn't have done that

This one already talked about how Vander has absolutely no realistic chance of being Follower to StD though...

[HighPrincessErinys]

You scumread me for having this thought, to keep options open..

Are you trying to scumcase me or what? I'm literally the only one here that can't be Kira so I have no clue why you are interacting with my thoughts and opinions so much

Yes, I think you're Kira

[HighPrincessErinys]

Why HPE is Kira:
Actions:
Plays like how I imagine Kira would play as, specifically as a reasonable/logical town, playing all sides in fights, initially going against Kokichi who everyone was scumreading, nai, saying the deathkill should not be used on me, basically playing like a neutral party when defending itself/going against someone else, this is nai since it isn't hard proof of anything, HPE is just playing how I subjectively believe Kira will play when it's possible HPE is town and not Kira

Wants the twilight to end, could indicate potentially wanting to use the Death Note, Idk why HPE asked this but doesn't implicate HPE as Kira

Pursues Gimli as exclusively Kira making it a 1 v 1, this is nai since town has reason to eliminate Kira like this/Kira has reason to eliminate the most scummy town like this, not proof of anything

I want someone to go through HPE's IS0 to find an objectively Kira action that HPE did,

I'm failing to find anything except HPE playing like potentially top town like Kira would do but this can mean HPE is town

Association:
Vander distances himself from HPE heavily, assuming Vander plays like this it's highly likely this implicates HPE as Kira, but this is an unknown assumption

The Detective concludes HPE is Kira, doesn't explain this solve

The case of HPE feels weak if we take down the assumptions of Vander distancing Kira/The Detective is right in her solve
All I have is an emotional feeling that HPE is playing like Kira...
The scary thing is my emotions can be right, but they can be wrong
I wish Mala explained her solve as to why HPE is Kira...

Well, she did!
Sorta.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Why HPE is Kira:
Actions:
Plays like how I imagine Kira would play as, specifically as a reasonable/logical town, playing all sides in fights, initially going against Kokichi who everyone was scumreading, nai, saying the deathkill should not be used on me, basically playing like a neutral party when defending itself/going against someone else, this is nai since it isn't hard proof of anything, HPE is just playing how I subjectively believe Kira will play when it's possible HPE is town and not Kira

Wants the twilight to end, could indicate potentially wanting to use the Death Note, Idk why HPE asked this but doesn't implicate HPE as Kira

Pursues Gimli as exclusively Kira making it a 1 v 1, this is nai since town has reason to eliminate Kira like this/Kira has reason to eliminate the most scummy town like this, not proof of anything

I want someone to go through HPE's IS0 to find an objectively Kira action that HPE did,

I'm failing to find anything except HPE playing like potentially top town like Kira would do but this can mean HPE is town

Association:
Vander distances himself from HPE heavily, assuming Vander plays like this it's highly likely this implicates HPE as Kira, but this is an unknown assumption

The Detective concludes HPE is Kira, doesn't explain this solve

The case of HPE feels weak if we take down the assumptions of Vander distancing Kira/The Detective is right in her solve
All I have is an emotional feeling that HPE is playing like Kira...
The scary thing is my emotions can be right, but they can be wrong
I wish Mala explained her solve as to why HPE is Kira...

Well, she did!
Sorta.

HPE = Kira
Why? Gut

Is this you making a read or just summarizing Mala?

[HighPrincessErinys]

@HPE, would you say this list accurately describes how you feel?

POSSIBLY KIRA

1. Gimli (Teru Mikami)

NOT KIRA

1. Black (Misa Amane)
2. KawaiiKame (Hideki Ide)
3. Save The Dragons (Raye Penber)
4. HighPrincessErinys (Shuichi Aizawa)
5. Kokichi Oma (Thierry Morrello)
6. MegAzumarill (Quillsh Wammy)
7. Not_Mafia (Mihael Keehl)

Pretty much, as it stands this one does not think any of the other potential Kira candidates have cases it agrees with.

[HighPrincessErinys]

height of mafia play

[HighPrincessErinys]

If this one got mislimmed and it was Gimli it'd probably be pissed because it was absolutely wanting to go for that throat but if we mislim on StD then its just funny. Going to have a think.

Where did this happen??

It is literally Vanderscamp's last post.
In general this one thinks that your findings don't particularly match with what it saw but it physically can't deny at this point that Kira!StD is a realistic possibility.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@HPE - this is Vander's last post. Where does Vander say StD is a follower to a lying Kira Mala?

But if she was going to do the detective shot anyway, why not

Because this way I get forced to CC.

This one had a forgor. So it went to check and find the actual post, and now it literally can't find the post it was talking about. Going insane, it thinks.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one had a forgor. So it went to check and find the actual post, and now it literally can't find the post it was talking about. Going insane, it thinks.

I think you should vote for your Kira

My Kira, or rather, who this one thinks is Kira, because it's town, is down to a coinflip, it thinks. It will literally coinflip. StD/Gimli one of you call a side.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gonna be real with you StD doesn't give follower vibes to begin with, still feeling the Lorne/N_M slot or Meg for Gimli's second Follower.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah but just now... if you are telling the truth about being a follower... why would you not use that ability without the claim?

std is 100% scum, and the only one with this kind of equity

I say we just kill him

But, in your own words:

we're not follower hunting

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gonna be real with you StD doesn't give follower vibes to begin with, still feeling the Lorne/N_M slot or Meg for Gimli's second Follower.

He just claimed follower...

And why should it... believe him?

[HighPrincessErinys]

He's Kira claiming to be a Follower or a Follower and we don't want to kill a useless Follower and let Kira win.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i am not kira

It's confirmed that Save The Dragons has skill "I am not Kira!".

Congratulations on not being Kira!



Oh wait.

[HighPrincessErinys]

What is the vote count sitting at right now anyhow? You're all calling this one a Follower to StD but it is genuinely trying to weigh up the options here because it still personally has reason to believe in Kira!Gimli.

[HighPrincessErinys]

What is the vote count sitting at right now anyhow? You're all calling this one a Follower to StD but it is genuinely trying to weigh up the options here because it still personally has reason to believe in Kira!Gimli.

You didn't answer me on why you think StD is lying

Y'know what? instead of trying to figure out shit through the chaos and try to explain myself and be confused as fuck during the process this one is just going to take the simple route.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[HighPrincessErinys]

screams

[HighPrincessErinys]

I was potentially moving to Mala/kokichi/std today until that post, there's just no way

Vander, for some reason you feel on the outside of the game looking in. Maybe it's cause I'm usually not around when you're posting. Can you give like a list of people you'd be wiling to vote today?

Yeah, I'm in Australia so my time zones usually don't line up that well.

I really just want to kill Kawaii exclusively today, at the time you asked me this my list would have been something like Kawaii > Mala > std > you

This is everything that is super explicit, but there's also 1438 and 1451.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Who other than StD would it be you think?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you still think StD is lying? Or do you think he is Gimli's follower?

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think we should think this out and not rush the day

There's a Grace Period still anyway, so.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you still think StD is lying? Or do you think he is Gimli's follower?

Well... which is it?

Honestly just not sureeee. This is a hellish D2.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Anyway, I was expecting a follower to claim follower/Kira today and cause chaos and make us overthink stuff.

You think that's STD's claim?

I'm not sure if he's Kira who folded under pressure or follower trying to make us overthink

There's literally no reason for a follower to claim there though. You really buy StD's "boring" reason? Instead of just getting limmed and winning he wants us to search for Kira? Really?

Well he's currently on track to get his ass limmed, so clearly it's working to some degree?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Literally shaking with glee for when this flips and everyone finds out this one is town.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lorne was an already... eh contributor? N_M just completely kills the slot entirely, to be completely honest.

[HighPrincessErinys]

FWIW if you want StD dead by the time Grace Period ends you can just summon N_M from the depths to hammer or whatever.

[HighPrincessErinys]

ahhh goddamn it reset...

[HighPrincessErinys]

theres even another fuckin' grace period... VOTE: Save the Dragons

[HighPrincessErinys]

Don't know why everyone is also postulating "Well

if

HPE is town then Meg used the ability..." when you already know my ability for certain.

[HighPrincessErinys]

That makes a bit more sense.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This grace period stuff is honestly really annoying, especially the time at which it's expiring.

[HighPrincessErinys]

N_M only showed up when it was to hammer and possibly win the game (if he's Kira)

Idk though. I still want to stay the course on StD

Yeah, because it's fucking N_M.

HPE has been pretty silent since this whole thing started, they were making wall posts before. Just saying

its called being eepy

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also, Lorne/N_M as Kira is a kind of impossible thing to figure out because you can go "oh well he literally said im kira a bunch so what if hes using his trollness to mask his kiraness" when the trollness is the big fat fucking problem. It's impossible to sift through what's real or not because Lorne's game plan was to just shitpost all game, and then he got replaced by N_M who notoriously does basically nothing all game but dodge prods and hammer any wagon that goes. Lorne SORTA did things for the slot but N_M has killed it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This speculation is just draining and this game should decide if it wants to end or not. Hilariously if N_M were paying attention he'd swoop in for the hammer (again).

[HighPrincessErinys]

I would prefer us not go to grace period. We have more to discuss here it feels like.

We're a few hours away from being 48 hours removed from this post. Meg should be getting a prod here

going to be real with the way moderation has been hands-off in this game we're probably not gonna see that prod

[HighPrincessErinys]

like really don't want to disrespect the mods but its just really getting to me now how light their touch has been

[HighPrincessErinys]

this might be first time this one's seen a game of mafia itself go through the stages of grief

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

do this again please

[HighPrincessErinys]

Or lose. But who really cares at this point.

[HighPrincessErinys]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[HighPrincessErinys]

oh koki really was follower

[HighPrincessErinys]

Feels bad that my super cool Gimli/Vander/Meg solve was extremely super wrong but,

[HighPrincessErinys]

do you think if StD just didn't claim that he would've won