Mini 2292: Anything uPick - Game Over!

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:11 pm

In post 1165, Alisae wrote:
In post 1163, Pink Ball wrote: Whats that I don’t remember any details of my old games (except when I shot myself as scum and won because I got bus driven)
Ali v Pine
you scumslipped in an image you posted

I remember it being a joke with Excel?

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:12 pm

LLD and Ircher and I’m blasphemous and SAS will obviously vote for me

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:14 pm

Yes that’s exactly what I meant with practically at L-1

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:15 pm

I mean saying that I’m “acting” like SAS will vote me when that’s all he has done in this game and has targeted me twice to get my eliminated…

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:15 pm

In post 1173, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Yeah I could double vote you.

That too

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:16 pm

Or you could unvote me! Imagine how cool would that be

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:16 pm

In post 1176, Alisae wrote: PB I'm not saying you're in the wrong for saying that :/

Oh my bad

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:24 pm

So if you clawed me now and then you wanted to vote someone else, you can’t claw that someone else??

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:29 pm

In post 1190, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: It's I have a vote. I can move my vote.

If I claw it replaces mt vote with a double vote.

And if I vote again it reppaces that with my normal vote.

But i can only claw once per day

Got it.

I didn’t mention it earlier but if SAS is your counter role I believe this would be the town role and SAS the scum role if my setup theory is right

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:40 pm

In post 1203, Stephen A Smith wrote: VOTE: Pink Ball

I’m bringing this guy to my dream dimension and killling him asap

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:43 pm

SAS is obviously defeated at this point

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:49 pm

VOTE: Ircher before I get heated again with the shitty attitude from SAS

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:49 pm

I’m targeting SAS no matter what Ircher flips

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:51 pm

In post 1235, Stephen A Smith wrote: am i town who is giving you shitty attitude or am i scum make up your mind

You can absolutely be both things. i have done nothing to deserve how you have treated me this game

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:53 pm

I’m not saying tunneling me is what’s bad, is coming to the thread just to throw shit to me and how I have played

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:55 pm

No dude, it’s your tone, do you want me to quote every fucking quote with you having a shitty attitude towards me?

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Stop acting like my problem with you is your scumread on me or you voting for me, I have said twice that’s not my problem with you

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:57 pm

Yeah thanks for reminding me why I left in the first place: people using “this is a game of mafia” as an excuse for being a fucking asshole

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:01 pm

In post 1262, Stephen A Smith wrote: I am not being a fucking asshole

I didn’t say that, I said you reminded me with that argument why I left.

Sorry didn’t mean to insult you.

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:09 pm

I think SAS hasn’t crossed any line whatsoever but I dislike his tone towards me, I feel like he has mocked me for how I’ve been playing with some things he has said and I felt hurt, but that doesn’t make him an asshole or not even close to that.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:42 am

Because my action failed; I can't bring someone back if the dream dimension isn't full.

I targeted SAS and released Kokichi.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:43 am

In post 1313, SirCakez wrote:
As well, this anonymous message was found at the beginning of the day!

I didn't get to say this because of yet another Pink Ball quickhammer[if you're town and actually quickhammer this many times its not my fault I think you are scummy af, its because quickhammering IS SCUMMY BEHAVIOR]

post 1219 is a scumclaim because it is leashing the claimed vig/sk in a game where we know the scum have a redirector or bus driver

assuming we wake up with 5 players alive[2 nightkills] - we can no longer eliminate pink ball - 2 mafia 1 SK 2 town results in a town loss if the SK gets eliminated

eliminate LLD and pray to god pink ball and the last scum shoot each other

This doesn't make any sense, was it sent from someone who's still alive? I think this is scum trying to get LLD eliminated

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:45 am

I want everyone to claim what they did last night to see who claims being redirected

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:20 am

In post 860, Pink Ball wrote: Ah whatever I already said my flavor is funny so I got your expectations up and it won't be funny now.

I'm this kid:

My action is called endless dream

That's what I claimed, yes.

Wave got the name right so he's telling the truth.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:25 am

In post 1324, Wavelength wrote: Stephen claimed the ability to leave a Start of Day post.

That is clearly from him

Oh I didn't remember that part of his claim, it didn't look like it was written by him so I thought it was someone else who didn't claim having that kind of power.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:29 am

Yes yes I agree that that's clearly SAS's

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:31 am

In post 1327, Wavelength wrote: -Pink Ball is lying to stay alive

I had a more incendiary reaction when I read this but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: what are you implying with this?

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:38 am

...and instead of actually "killing" someone I decided to do nothing last night instead of going for this:

assuming we wake up with 5 players alive[2 nightkills] - we can no longer eliminate pink ball - 2 mafia 1 SK 2 town results in a town loss if the SK gets eliminated

I didn't care about the SK reads on me 'cause they made sense in a way that, from everyone's perspective, it could be part of the setup and there wasn't enough information to confirm or deny my role, but now you're still pushing for the idea that I'm a SK and playing against my wincon?

Come on dude.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:43 am

In post 1336, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1334, Pink Ball wrote: ...and instead of actually "killing" someone I decided to do nothing last night instead of going for this:
assuming we wake up with 5 players alive[2 nightkills] - we can no longer eliminate pink ball - 2 mafia 1 SK 2 town results in a town loss if the SK gets eliminated
I didn't care about the SK reads on me 'cause they made sense in a way that, from everyone's perspective, it could be part of the setup and there wasn't enough information to confirm or deny my role, but now you're still pushing for the idea that I'm a SK and playing against my wincon?

Come on dude.
I just ran the numbers, and we are still unable to kill you at 6.

So no, I don't think that no killing would be anti-wincon for you to have done

You are, once again, underestimating me and overestimating me at the same time.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:52 am

In post 1341, Wavelength wrote: @PB, you said that Kokichi claimed they would die if they claimed their flavor to you.

What happens if someone dies while in your dream? Can someone die while in your dream?

Either way, I think I want Kokichi to flavor claim so we can just see what happens

You're asking something that is way out of my knowledge. Kokichi claimed he would die, I don't know what happens, but I believe that Kokichi is town and that he was the scum NK on N1 and him dying would do no good

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:54 am

I know they're out of the game until they stop dreaming, so if I had to guess, if someone died while dreaming, they would flip in thread because they technically stopped dreaming

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:58 am

In post 1344, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1343, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 1341, Wavelength wrote: @PB, you said that Kokichi claimed they would die if they claimed their flavor to you.

What happens if someone dies while in your dream? Can someone die while in your dream?

Either way, I think I want Kokichi to flavor claim so we can just see what happens
You're asking something that is way out of my knowledge. Kokichi claimed he would die, I don't know what happens, but I believe that Kokichi is town and that he was the scum NK on N1 and him dying would do no good
If Kokichi spontaneously flipped in the middle of this day phase, it would prove that you are talking to Kokichi.

I'll ask him but I can't force him. I'm weirded out about this being relevant tho, why would I not want to claim Kokichi's flavor if I was lying about communitating with him

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:59 am

In post 1348, Alisae wrote: Pb what happens if you target an ascetic

It would fail, bringing someone to my PT is not a nightkill

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:00 am

In post 1347, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1345, Pink Ball wrote: I know they're out of the game until they stop dreaming, so if I had to guess, if someone died while dreaming, they would flip in thread because they technically stopped dreaming
Bet.

Make it happen.

What do you want me to do if Kokichi refuses dude you're putting me in an impossible situation

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:01 am

In post 1351, Alisae wrote: Where is Kokichi

In the Dream Dimension, my PT, with PP

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:02 am

In post 1354, Wavelength wrote:You were just trying to tell me that I am wrong to think that you are actually just a serial killer. Why would you be surprised to see me attempt to force out a way to prove more of your claim if possible?

Yes but the way you're trying to make me prove to you that I'm not a SK depends on another player who can make their own decisions, I can't force Kokichi to die for me to prove you anything

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:03 am

This is so counterproductive for the situation we're in right now

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:07 am

@Wave I'll ask him to read this whole interaction and let him decide, but as I said before, Kokichi thinks I'm scum so I don't expect him to cooperate

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:20 am

Kokichi town because he had no reason to buss Marashu in a thread that was only with me and had no real repercussions on the main thread: even if he knew he could come back and that was a plausible alternative, I don't think he would be thinking so ahead of the game. Also the missing night kill on N1.

PP I'm not so sure about him, we haven't talked that much about the game per se but his claim seemed townie; also, PP assumed he won't come back to the game before the game ends because Kokichi is first priority and even after that I told in that thread that I wanted to kill SAS, and he hasn't tried to convince me to come back to the thread which is something I would expect from desperate scum.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:22 am

So either PP is acting like a defeated scum, like scum who reaaaaally trusts his partner or he's just apathetic town

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:55 am

In post 1404, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Ah...

this is frustrating.

It absolutely is

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:09 am

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:15 am

In post 1420, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Tell you what.

PB, I need you and Kokichi to both be around at the same time.

Ali, whatif we could check if Kokichi is really in there

He just replied

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:17 am

@Wave he says he’s rather not to unless your role is flavor based some how

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:24 am

I’m driving right now so you’ll have to wait for that; Id rather not get me killed irl

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:30 am

PP is here and told me to say “applesauce” in the main thread

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:52 am

LLD I got Kokichi on the line too asking what do you want him to do/say

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:53 am

@LLD would Claw resolve in MELo?

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:55 am

Technically if LLD is town the Claw shouldn't work or it would be the same as being at ELo: scum would coordinate and eliminate the one who's being voted. But given the shenanigans of this game, I could target scum the next night and the game wouldn't be over

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:56 am

In post 1466, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1462, Pink Ball wrote: LLD I got Kokichi on the line too asking what do you want him to do/say
It won't matter now, but i'm going to constantly refresh this page. When you see this, make sure Kokichi is there and ready. Say "ready" and I'll ask my question. 30 seconds to respond.

Ok I'll ask him if he's ready 'cause it was 7 minutes ago and I was still driving but I'm not anymore (for anyone who was worried about me driving while texting, I wrote only when I was at the toll line)

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:58 am

Wave I'm not responding any more of your questions, sorry. For once, I'm in a position where I'll be sorting shit out instead of defending myself, and your questions are mechanics that the mod designed, not me.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:59 am

For instance, pushing the idea that I'm a SK at the same time of focusing entirely on my role when we're potentially at MELo is shitty play at best and scummy at worst

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:59 am

In post 1473, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: yes but we need to have you ask the mod about it

Oh

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:01 am

Kokichi isn't replying so I'm going to go make the baby sleep and come back later

(Pink Ball's a father now?!!??!)

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:13 am

Lld kokichis ready

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:18 am

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:19 am

This is stressfull how the fuck do scumteams coordinate eliminations

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:20 am

I’m a fucking telephone line ringing without answer, that’s what my role has come to be

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:21 am

Mission failed, we’ll gettem next time

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:22 am

Will do

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:25 am

READY

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:27 am

Let us do our thing party pooper

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:29 am

Kokichi says shhhhh since this is the only interaction he’ll get in the thread

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:35 am

GO LLD

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:37 am

Refreshing

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:40 am

Reply is Day 2, SK Idol

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:50 am

In post 1532, Alisae wrote: Like that is a insane amount of power for wolves

I mean yesterday when I claimed everyone said I was probably a SK because no way I was town balancewise. Maybe the game is balanced that way

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:50 am

In post 1540, Wavelength wrote: I was stuck in ninja hell trying to get that post out

Same

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:52 am

In post 1545, Stephen A Smith wrote: i never harassed anyone in this game

Sorry LLD but this is true, I didn’t even felt harassed, just very frustrated

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:55 am

LLD please, if you’re talking about me this isn’t how I felt or feel about SAS

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:56 am

Ok ok I’ll shut up

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:20 pm

In post 1593, Wavelength wrote: fwiw, I got the feeling that Stephen was being purposefully blunt as part of roleplaying as Stephen Smith.

Like "it is bad to not kill a SK when we are at 8p alive, and so we should focus on killing the SK while we can" -> " its gamethrowing"

Also the "its comical they are letting you get away with this" line felt that way to me.

I felt like this was the issue that PB was having with Stephen, was reading it without the context of why it was said so bluntly and with in the absolute.
----

But also, nothing he said felt like it crossed a line for me either, so I don't feel like I can really engage with the current discussion.

That’s what I realized too last day. I didn’t even know who Stephen A was before this game, I’ve seen some videos before but not much.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:25 pm

@SAS and @LLD I’m very sorry if in any way I contributed to this, I really feel it was a misunderstanding from my part of the gimmick that SAS was impersonating, if I knew that before I would’ve probably laughed instead of feeling attacked

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:26 pm

In post 1607, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1604, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1599, Wavelength wrote: Role and night actions.

Giving a commute to Ali. Giving a fruit vendor to the Dragons.
Mafia Inventor works just fine as a role in this setup, and those are relatively weak roles in general.
I don't think that handing out a full protection to Ali is a relatively weak choice.

If you are scum, and you can do that, you always give it to a partner, no?

You can’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, maybe is tit for tat

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:28 pm

Wait is the redirector only confirmed via Flea??????

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:32 pm

In post 1614, Pink Ball wrote: Wait is the redirector only confirmed via Flea??????

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:35 pm

In post 1623, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1621, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 1614, Pink Ball wrote: Wait is the redirector only confirmed via Flea??????

I think we were also saying that one of Ali / Dragons had to be redirected into Kokichi since they both failed

And Ali’s role is…?

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:57 pm

In post 1643, Alisae wrote:
In post 1223, Alisae wrote: VOTE: ircher

In post 1233, Pink Ball wrote: VOTE: Ircher before I get heated again with the shitty attitude from SAS
LOOK AT THIS
ITS HIS LITERAL NEXT POST
HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING

I haven’t denied this? I thought Ircher was scum and I’ve saying it since D2

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm

I was legitimately angry. I’m sorry but I’m not sorry for that hammer. D1 I was an idiot

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:00 pm

In post 1657, Alisae wrote: if you didn't want to get heated in discussion, why are you ending the day
just leave thread for a bit

No, I didn’t want to end the day; I wanted to end the day, target SAS, bring Kokichi back and next night deal with SAS. You’re acting like the hammer had no merits

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:02 pm

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:08 pm

In post 1668, Alisae wrote: I read that post and it seemed kind of defensive so that's why I'm asking

It is kinda defensive in a way that I feel like shit for how I’ve played but I shouldn’t be because game’s not over and I’ve tried my best so it’s more like me reassuring myself than me feeling attacked by you

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:01 pm

In post 1465, Pink Ball wrote: @LLD would Claw resolve in MELo?

In post 1467, Pink Ball wrote: Technically if LLD is town the Claw shouldn't work or it would be the same as being at ELo: scum would coordinate and eliminate the one who's being voted. But given the shenanigans of this game, I could target scum the next night and the game wouldn't be over

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:18 pm

I’m saying that we should be wary nonetheless

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:29 pm

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:11 pm

Let’s tread lightly then, because even if I can stop scum’s nightkill, if there’s actually a redirector I think it’s over with a town elimination today

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:53 pm

In post 1471, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1379, Wavelength wrote:
In post 858, Alisae wrote: So what you're saying is if we elim wolves today the game is over

In post 859, Pink Ball wrote: If PP is scum, yes, it should be!

In post 901, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 859, Pink Ball wrote: If PP is scum, yes, it should be!
Got corrected about this: if I got the last scum in my neighbor, they could technically win if I get killed or if I release them
PB,If the game does not end when there are no scum in the main thread, and you are town, how do we ever win this game if you have scum in your hood?

If the whole scumteam is not dead then the game isn’t over. We can’t know who’s scum until they flip, so if I got the remaining scum in the dream dimension, only way to win is by me killing them or releasing them and then eliminating.

Game is designed in a way that we’re not getting a draw, and we should be able to realize if I got scum caught in my PT

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:12 pm

In post 1696, Alisae wrote: Hey LLD and PB.
Here is a list of everyone's claims.
What stands out to you guys?

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
PB jailor
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD double vote + will
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor

We know there is a redirector due to night actions

I’m not seeing it Ali sorry. A lot of players with abilities that are restricted by quantity and just a few that can act every night is the biggest thing I see

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:06 pm

That’s E-1 by the way

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:07 pm

I’m going to read that thoroughly Ali but wanted to point out that

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:08 pm

In post 1718, Alisae wrote:
In post 1716, Pink Ball wrote: That’s E-1 by the way
No hammer?????

Do you want me to after that post you did? That would be disrespectful

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:14 pm

I love hammers but doing it before anyone gets the chance to actually read what you posted would be awful, not even remotely compared with my other hammers

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:15 pm

Also the fact that the other two hammers I thought they would flip scum; LLD is town setupwise

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:22 pm

I’m absolutely doing a mea culpa for Amici’s hammer ‘cause I wasn’t scumreading them but with Kokichi’s intent when Amici already claimed felt like it would mitigate any damage that the quick hammer could do, but now that we know that kuribo is town it was bad play; in the other hand, about Ircher I stated the day before that the correct way of solving the game included killing Ircher so that was my intent. Not remotely sorry for ending that day.

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:22 pm

In post 1728, Alisae wrote: Tho ya know, I don't really expect to convince you?
Like
You're not going to vote LLD
I just know it.
In fact, I bet if I immediately voted SAS right now you would hammer

Do it for the vine

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:25 pm

I’m going to read your post two hours from now, just woke up and gotta do the whole routine

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:26 pm

I’m not going to hammer SAS either Ali for fucks sake I’m trying to make you understand that the hammers were independent events. Both scummy? Sure, but it’s not a trend

Pink Ball · Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:59 pm

Ok gonna read Ali's big ass post now but this pinged me:

In post 1744, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1525, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: The power to SECRETLY MAKE SOMEONE HATED

vs

THE POWER TO PUBLICLY DOUBLE VOTE.
Its not a secret, and its locked in at day start. Yours is flexible. I find that more towards a scum power.

How the fuck did I not think this, this is the best argument I've seen about this dichotomy. I'm still iffy because of my action failing on SAS today but it could be to incriminate SAS which like actually worked?

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:06 am

In post 1725, Alisae wrote: Oh also, ig you can like, look at how PB and LLD interacted with me listing out the claims and asking them if they notice anything.
One of them tried to pin Kokichi as the redirector despite how that's not even possible.
The other said "No sorry I don't see anything!"

I said "A lot of players with abilities that are restricted by quantity and just a few that can act every night is the biggest thing I see" so I said exactly what you're pointing out in your mech speculation dude

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:16 am

In post 1751, Alisae wrote: PB DIDN'T MENTION AT ALL THE DAY WAS ENDING AND JUST CONTINUE TO LET EVERYONE ELSE POST UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT DAY WAS STILL GOING ON

Literally my next post was this:

In post 1234, Pink Ball wrote: I’m targeting SAS no matter what Ircher flips

Not a minute later of voting Ircher. Your point makes no sense.

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:22 am

Ok Ali I read the whole post. I think you made good independent points about LLD being scum and with what Flea pointed out, if it was between LLD and SAS, I think I've been tunneled over SAS the whole game not because of good reasons but just playstyle.

I however make no sense at all since the scumteam would be overpowered as heck if I could kidnap players as scum. You're defining things for how they went, but not for how they could've gone: what if the scumteam you're suggesting killed N1 and got another miss elimination on D2? You'd wake up on D3 on ELo in a 4v3 with LLD having a double vote action. Makes no sense setupwise.

So the question is, who's LLD's partner?

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:25 am

But whatever, we can't eliminate two players at the same time, and I think the best strategy is to eliminate between LLD and SAS today and I'll bring to the dream dimension the one who's not flipped 'cause there's definitely scum between them two for this game to make sense.

I'll bring PP back to the game, the way he confirmed that he's still alive is proof that he's town and I think his night actions are more pro town than Kokichi's.

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:29 am

Best strat would be Wave flavorcop Ali since it's the only slot that we have no confirmation other than being blue in the votecounts. I'm convinced that Ali is town no matter what the circumstances are so it'd probably be true and if the scumteam redirects Wave to make speculations about Ali being scum, it won't work, Ali would still be town, even more I'd think

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:34 am

(Not hammering either to let Wave and Flea read and to keep demonstrating that even if the previous hammers were scummy, they don't correlate)

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:43 am

In post 1760, Wavelength wrote: I have read the big post and

This is the face of someone that's excited to play some mafia:

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:57 am

In post 781, SirCakez wrote:
Here There be Dragons has been killed night 2! They were
Lux and Tenebrae

Welcome to Anything uPick Here There Be Dragons!

You are Lux and Tenebrae

"Lux is a playboy billionaire by day. Bored, he became a vigilante crimefighter at night, powers include super strength, super speed, claws, and dragon's breath, amongst others. Lux became so good at his job that he eliminated crime in his city. Now he was bored of being in the boardroom during the day and as a useless unneeded vigilante at night, so he started to toe the line and committed crimes, small ones at first, but then started to commit larger ones, eventually starting to build a criminal empire just so he could entertain himself. The constant avoiding the law and being one move ahead of anyone who would come after him however lead to more boredom. His arrogance has led him to put it all on a fall guy to get out of all his crimes, and he feels doomed to spend eternity bored.

Tenebrae is a fire spirit of ancient lore. Born in a volcano eruption, he felt a special connection to his island, helping it grow. But he felt lonely and soon brought people to the island by way of shipwreck. Since then, he's been entertained watching their struggles like a soap opera, a ballet of power struggles as people vie to be head of the island, granting some of them some of his powers to attempt to do so only to double cross the people he put in power by backing their adversaries. Life was chaotic and fun until Tenebrae met a young woman whom he fell instantly in love with. Realizing his chaotic reign of the island was putting her in danger, he vowed to lock himself in the heart of the volcano and just watch, let the people do what they want, waiting for the day she would pass and become a spirit herself so he could pursue her."

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
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Lux the BatCat
- Lux's super BatCat surveillance can be used to watch another player at night and see who they visit. However, you can only use this three times before running out of funds due to bad investments made in boredom.
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Tenebrae the Fire Spirit
- Should you two be voted to elimination, your fire-powered love will burn the hammerer as well, causing them to be roleblocked and voteless for the next day and night. Note that the voteless effect will not take place should the game enter LyLo.
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Animal Farm
- As you are two cats, you have access to the animals neighborhood located here: [REDACTED]

You win once all threats to the
Town
have been eliminated.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?t=90521

In post 782, SirCakez wrote:
As well, PenguinPower has mysteriously disappeared!

Nightkill resolves before my action, Wave

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:05 am

In post 1768, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1766, Pink Ball wrote: Nightkill resolves before my action, Wave
Were you not arguing before that your ability triggered first, and that is how you managed to stop a night kill targetted at Kokichi?

But also, I have no idea how this is relevant

You're proposing eliminating me first, that's why's relevant.

But you're right, I thought that the orders of the posts suggested that mine resolved later, let me check.

p-edit I'm not suggesting that the kill happens before my ability, I'm saying that Kokichi and PP would be back after everything resolves

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:05 am

Those are two independent things

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:12 am

In post 1773, Wavelength wrote: Pedit: what do you mean that they would be back after everything resolves? Didn't you say they come back if you die? That would resolve before any night actions are even submitted, no?

I'm asking how it resolves, I assumed they would be back for the next day, I already sent the PM

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:19 am

Wave, being on 4:2 tomorrow vs being on 4:2 today is never a better option and you insisting on getting me killed today started as a "huh interesting" and it's turning into "this is the scum that would push for the obvious scum agenda" quickly.

Kokichi conftown vs whoever the scumteam decides to kill tonight? Tomorrow you'll have to solve between LLD and SAS just like today? You're just giving the scumteam the alternative of having one more nightkill to control the game.

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:21 am

Whatever you're a broken record, if this is scum!you congratulations for derailing the mechanically right call into a obvious scum agenda driven elimination.

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:22 am

You want to eliminate the player who can assure that SAS vs LLD is solved without caring who flips

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:24 am

I'll even go further with what I thought at the begining of the day: I think your flavorcop is not just a flavorcop, but it's what actually stops actions and you're the one who's messing with the whole redirector thing, you stopped Save the Dragons on N1 and that's why they were the next nightkill, because of the power they had and you knew. Marashu stopped Ali, that checks out, that's it

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:28 am

In post 1781, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1777, Pink Ball wrote: Wave, being on 4:2 tomorrow vs being on 4:2 today is never a better option and you insisting on getting me killed today started as a "huh interesting" and it's turning into "this is the scum that would push for the obvious scum agenda" quickly.

Kokichi conftown vs whoever the scumteam decides to kill tonight? Tomorrow you'll have to solve between LLD and SAS just like today? You're just giving the scumteam the alternative of having one more nightkill to control the game.
Having a mechanically confirmed town in melo is not a better option then not having a mechanically confirmed town in Melo? Because we don't currently have one of those.

Like what are you talking about? lol

But also, this lets us resolve your slot, which even if you are town, you have to realize that you are in the PoE. Being in 4:2, with you resolved vs being in 4:2 without you resolved IS better.

And if you are not town, then being in the next day phase without you is also better for the town.

We are in a better position after killing you for all three possible alignments for you.

And the alternative option, is to potentially BET THE GAME on LLD being scum.

Kokichi is not mechanically confirmed, he's very much obvtown the same way Ali is very much obvtown, and the scumteam can just kill Ali and we're back to square one.

My slot makes NO SENSE AS SCUM WHATSOEVER and you want to get rid of me, I SHOULDN'T BE on anybody's PoE. I accept being called a 3p but calling me scum??????? So you tried to push that the 3p should be eliminated today, but now that Ali gave a scumread on me it's the perfect segway for you keep pushing me today. You have not reevaluated ANYTHING today, you're obsessed with killing me because if I'm town, you just go to the next day killing Ali and still having to resolve LLD vs SAS, and if I'm 3p, even better 'cause you're afraid of having to deal with me and you just win the game

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:29 am

In post 1784, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1782, Pink Ball wrote: I'll even go further with what I thought at the begining of the day: I think your flavorcop is not just a flavorcop, but it's what actually stops actions and you're the one who's messing with the whole redirector thing, you stopped Save the Dragons on N1 and that's why they were the next nightkill, because of the power they had and you knew. Marashu stopped Ali, that checks out, that's it
You are just floundering because you need people to not listen to me.

No, I need people to realize that you're the last scum.
Ali is town
One of LLD/SAS is town

I'm between Flea and you, and right now Flea hasn't pushed the rethoric you're pushing. You showed your true colors finally.

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:30 am

In post 1783, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1780, Pink Ball wrote: You want to eliminate the player who can assure that SAS vs LLD is solved without caring who flips
Yeah, because if we are wrong inside of SAS vs LLD, and you are scum like ALi thinks, we lose on the spot.

NO WE DON'T??? I target either SAS or LLD and it's problem solved

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:31 am

In post 1788, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1785, Pink Ball wrote: Kokichi is not mechanically confirmed
If you are town, then you must have been the one to stop the night kill by saving Kokichi.

You are the one who was arguing this just a few days ago.

I believe that, yes, but it's not mechanically confirmed 'cause we don't know what really happened. It would be a strong townread just as Ali is a strong townread because of how they dealed with Marashu on D2

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:33 am

In post 1792, Wavelength wrote: From my pov, killing LLD is betting the game on the team not being you+Stephen

Ooooooooooookay so why I don't just hammer LLD and win

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:34 am

It's either LLD and me and I'm trying to ???
Or it's either SAS and me and I'm trying to ???
Right?

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:35 am

I thought it would be harder to 1v1 you tomorrow but you had to be ambitious and try to derail the wagon today didn't you

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:43 am

If I'm a third party scum needs to get rid of me and town doesn't

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:43 am

Whatever, you've said your piece, I can only hope that anyone falls for it

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:46 am

Like, you're basing your case of "this can't be 3v2v1" because of what LLD said... who is my partner? So scum told the truth about their role not working on ELO?

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:47 am

In post 1800, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1796, Pink Ball wrote: I thought it would be harder to 1v1 you tomorrow but you had to be ambitious and try to derail the wagon today didn't you
And like, if you think I am scum, what even would be the reason for me (who is fairly widely town read) to throw myself into the fray onto you?

In that world view, you are not the path of least resistance, who ever is town between Stephen or LLD would be.

Like I said before, you are just spouting that I am scum, because you need people not to listen to me

After Ali's case I want to see you trying to derail the wagon to SAS, I'd really love to see it.

And as I said, you don't know if I'm town or 3p so you need to get rid of me in case I'm 3p and can't nightkill me 'cause that would potentially bring 2 towns to the fray. You NEED me to be the elimination NOW.

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:51 am

I think you're scum with LLD and trying to derail the wagon to me 'cause that's the best course of action from the scum PoV, since you can't know for sure if I'm town or 3p and because you don't want to solve LLD vs SAS today

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:52 am

I gave you the benefit of the doubt at the start of the day, but your intentions are now clear, they were subtle at first, but now that LLD is in danger, you're openwolfing using the towncred you got

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:53 am

Fuck, you're right

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:54 am

Can't be that both SAS and LLD are lying about how their actions work

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:55 am

I didn't see it, sorry

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:10 am

I could've hammered before you started speculating shit, I could hammer right now, you still make no sense and it's still pretty obvious you're derailing LLD's wagon

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:19 am

In post 1815, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1813, Pink Ball wrote: I could've hammered before you started speculating shit, I could hammer right now, you still make no sense and it's still pretty obvious you're derailing LLD's wagon
You and I both know that if you hammered after the big deal you made about not hammering, it would out you.

So, just hammering here is not an out for you, unless you literally have no other choice.

So fake, if I were scum with LLD I could perfectly get out with it

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:20 am

I insist: I'm scum with LLD and I'm doing ???
Or I'm either town and 3p and you're pushing what's best for the scumteam which is getting rid of the possible 3p, something that town doesn't need to do

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:56 am

Pocketing Ali, noted

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:03 am

Hahaha sorry that was petty

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:33 am

Yeh I've never understood in what time zone Ali is. What time is it for you right now?

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:44 am

Perfect that makes sense on why we've been online pretty much at the same time (11: AM here, from Chile)

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:55 am

I won't do anything stupid until you get to post what you want to post

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:10 am

In post 1832, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1759, Pink Ball wrote: (Not hammering either to let Wave and Flea read and to keep demonstrating that even if the previous hammers were scummy, they don't correlate)
So putting your foot in your mouth quite iterally then?

I don't understand what that means sorry

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:11 am

Looked it on Google and says that it's something I shouldn't have said 'cause I embarassed someone else?

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:22 am

Hahahaha that makes more sense

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:27 am

In post 1836, Flea The Magician wrote: "Ah you have equated my hammers to my being scummy! Therefore witness as I do NOT hammer and therefore am not a scummerbutt!"

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:35 am

I'm not 3p for fucks sake you're assuming this because supposedly I didn't act last night but why the fuck would I not act last night if that would be a 2v2v1 or 3v1v1 situation and screw you

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:36 am

Wave your logic is really really off and I can only see this kind of logic that omits key information coming only from scum!you

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:39 am

Like, we are all agreeing now that LLD is scum but Wave wants to derail the wagon to me because some wanky setup speculation suggesting that I'm a 3p, pushing it subtly at the begining of the day and now going full aggro on it since LLD is at E-1????

p-edit IF I THINK IT'S LLD AND YOU WE JUST KILL LLD AND WE STILL HAVE MY NIGHT ACTION

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:45 am

IF IT WAS SAS AND ME I WOULD'VE HAMMERED FOR FUCKS SAKE

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:47 am

In post 1867, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1865, Alisae wrote: What world are we dealing with if LLD is town?
A SAS and PB wolfteam?
Yes.

I was leaning SAS>LLD before your case.

YOU SAID YES HERE

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:47 am

Oh sorry didn't see your last post

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:48 am

Dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee opening up options of PP being scum???????

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:51 am

Because he has to push the rethoric of me being 3p

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:54 am

NO DUDE, I said that you started subtlely suggesting it and when LLD came to E-1 you went full aggro, don't lie

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:04 am

In post 1882, Wavelength wrote: Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.

You know what Wave?
VOTE: LLD
There, you got it. I said I was going to wait for you to say your thing, but 'your thing' is bullshit, Ali thinks it's bullshit too so clearly thinking it's bullshit is not scumdriven, it's just you being scum needing to get rid of a potential 3p that has no sense of being a 3p from a town perspective, you're just scared of me.

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:05 am

I'm targeting SAS and bringing back PP to the game so game won't be over even if LLD flips town, so bye bye good night

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:06 am

In post 1896, Wavelength wrote: ALI THIS IS WHY I FUCKING ASKED YOU TO UNVOTE

If you're town this is your fault for being so daft about me

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:06 am

And I wanted to be a teamplayer but you kept calling me 3p

Pink Ball · Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:08 am

NO DUDE YOU WANTED TO GET RID OF MY NIGHT ACTION AND KILL ALI AND WIN TOMORROW WITH LLD'S DOUBLE VOTE

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:12 am

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:15 am

I’m on my way to the airport, I’ll probably won’t be able to post for the next 6-7 hours, but game is technically solved

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:18 am

You’ll have to wait ‘cause I have a lot to say

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:21 am

Yes correct

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:27 am

Please Flea and Enchant don’t do anything stupid

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:28 am

Thanks for voting me and not Flea by the way, you made this way easier

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:31 am

In post 1920, Wavelength wrote: I really did not expect to have to play this game anymore

Why were you paranoid if you thought you wouldn’t play this game anymore?

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:34 am

In post 1933, Wavelength wrote:
In post 1931, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 1920, Wavelength wrote: I really did not expect to have to play this game anymore
Why were you paranoid if you thought you wouldn’t play this game anymore?
You thought I would eat you, yet you asked me why did I change my targets when I said I’d target SAS

I thought that you were going to eat me, but that did not mean that turned my brain off thinking about how Ali played last day phase.

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:34 am

Fucked up quotes

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:44 am

I’m in a world were either Flea or you is the remaining scum, yes. Your vote on me is damning but I’m not convinced, I started the day thinking it was Flea

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:53 am

I’m catching a flight right now Wave, give me some fucking time instead of reposting questions that I can’t answer at this moment

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:56 am

Thank you and sorry for the profanity

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:08 am

Do me a solid and look for the role “Mentor” in the Wiki, please

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:31 pm

Stop speculating about my role if I’m asking to wait. Who’s the last scum?

(Just arrived, I’ll post soon)

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:31 pm

Game’s not lost for anyone at this point, I promise (I wouldn’t be wasting your time if that was the case)

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:47 pm

Wave, I'm here

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:48 pm

Chill and let me do my thing

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:52 pm

Wave, you're town, let me do my thing

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:23 pm

It is no surprise that I am, in fact, a 3p in this game. It's not proven (Enchant's role probably works like LLD's and stop working at MELo, which is the current state of the game), but I have no reasons to keep it a secret anymore. Let me embark you in the magical journey that has been this game from my perspective:

Prologue: my real role
When I saw the flavor of this game, the first thing that came to my mind was that kid rambling about being able to do anything. It's a funny video and the story behind it is pretty cool too: the kid was in a casting and tried to impress everyone by quoting a scene from Hercules and did it so badly that accidentally made a masterpiece of a meme. Here's the transcript of that video:

the dream kid wrote:Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?

Cakez, inspired by the kid, decided to troll me and make me a 3p that can do anything; in other words, I'm three third parties in one.
- I am a Mentor, in which I target someone at night and they become my Mentee; I can have two Mentees at the same time. I get the entire information about my Mentees (role and alignment). Mentees work as lovers too: If I die, they die with me. If a Mentee died from another cause (like Kokichi's role), I'm still alive.
- I am a Serial Killer, in which I can decide to kill one of my Mentees if I want to leave a space for a new Mentee.
- I am a Survivor, in which the only way I win is if I don't die.
Knowing this, I thought "ah, the perfect role to come back to play mafia after a long hiatus: one that gives me 0 pressure to be scummy or scumhunt". So I embraced the madness and started to strategize about how to, with some luck, maybe win this.

Chapter 1: how to survive 101
My D1 was perfect: a 1v1 that put me on the spot to avoid being called out for going under the radar, and a lolhammer pseudo fake claiming being Not_Mafia to avoid being nightkilled. Next day I'd have to deal with the consequences of doing that, but mafiascum.net is not a place that operates by that kind of logic. Anyway, first day and a we got a townie elimination: we are now at a 8v3v1 and it looks like I'll have to scumside to win this faster: I bring Kokichi (obvtown) to the dream dimension and hope that the scumteam will do their part too, so we can start D2 with a 6v3v1 with town not knowing that they're in a potential one more miselimination to lose the game.

Chapter 2: well, well, well, how the turntables...
But alas! I accidentally saved Kokichi from the kill, and we get a scumflip during D2: we are now going to the next night in a 7v2v1 and I'm pretty sure that I know who the remaining scumteam is: PP and Ali. If I can get them in consecutive nights, game's over. I target PP and bingo! I got myself the second scum of the game all for myself (and Kokichi).

Chapter 3: no more lies
Game starts during D3, and the main thread is inhabited by a 6v1v1. The worst thing happens: a massclaim. I'm already against the ropes enough to try to fakeclaim something, so I'll just have to tell the truth and say that I'm the one who's kidnapping people. The 3p accusations were not long in coming. At least my role made no sense as scum, which is true: at this point, I'm either town or 3p, and since town didn't know that I had one of the remaining scum in my dimension, they focused on killing scum, which to be honest I think it was the correct strategy. Remember that, from my point of view, the best for me was to eliminate the last scum and win with town. But Ircher was town too, and another night comes.

Chapter 4: Sophie's choice
What to do? If I kill PP now and bring Ali, I can win, but if I'm wrong about Ali, town will for sure eliminate me in order to bring Kokichi and Ali back. I had no leverage to claim what I'm claiming now at that point: if I said "no wait, if you kill me, they'll both die!" I would be accused of being survivalistic and just lying, and I'd agree, that would be the best way to interpret what was going on from a town point of view. So I decided to not act and get one more chance to eliminate scum. I was convinced that Ali was the remaining scum at this point: it couldn't be either LLD or SAS because the redirector was missing, and Ali's claim was so clumsy and Marashu's push looked so much like a buss that I knew that the only way to win was to push either LLD or SAS and target Ali the next night. Again, this is from my perspective, were I know that PP is scum and town thinks PP is town.

Chapter 5: the bait
So I know that LLD will flip town. Redirection resolves before my action, so I need to bait Ali into not redirecting me: if they do, they can either kill whoever between Wave and Flea, or worse, kill me in order to bring PP back. So I claim that I'll target SAS and bring PP back: from scum!Ali's perspective, they only have to kill whoever they want and they'll win, since they'll start the next day in 2v2 (or 2v1v1). Of course, what I really was going to do is to kill PP and target Ali, and once and for all, end the game.

Chapter 6: the baited
The day starts, and Ali has dissappeared. There's no nightkill, and PP has flipped scum. I receive a PM, confirming what I feared the most: Ali is actually town, and their clumsy claim that didn't work on N1 was actually real: the Blue-Eyes White Dragon menacingly looked and the horror of being wrong came suddenly: Pink Ball, once again, has to solve this mistery.

So it's pretty simple: the remaining scum is factually between Wave and Flea. This, because now that I know that Ali is town and that their role was the one they claimed, the existence of the redirector is confirmed. Since neither Enchant or me can be the redirector, and both Kokichi and Ali are conftown, that only Wave and Flea. I'm not making judgements about either of you: it is how it is.

But what about Wave and Flea's roles during the game? Wave have claimed one thing that almost a 100% confirm that he's not lying about his role (he flavor copped me and called me "The Dream Kid" which is the exact name of my role), and Flea has their masks that both Ali and Wave claimed. My problem with that is, the one who brought the redirector to the discussion was Flea, claiming that fae was redirected during N2 to Wave. Did Wave redirect Flea's action to himself so he could get a cool mask like Ali's, or was Flea claiming being redirected when in fact fae was the redirector all along?

If I had to guess, and this is just setup spec, I'd say that Wave could have a scum role that pairs Amici's role: a scum Jack-of-all-trades. Why would Flea claim that fae was redirected if fae's the redirector? Did the scumteam decided not to redirect that night so they could claim this? It's possible, but maybe instead of having a full redirector, maybe it makes more sense that the scumteam has a JOAT with a redirection and a rolecop in their hands.

BUT, Pink Ball knows that Pink Ball is bad at setup spec, so why would he do that? Why wouldn't he just do what he best do, that is reading people's intentions? Wave has been solvey, Wave came to an excellent idea from a town perspective with the information he had, Wave is STILL pushing for the mechanically correct things that will help town win. Flea? If under the radar had pictures in the wictionary...

Wave, what you proposed yesterday was correct. Of course, now you know why I couldn't vouch for it. Ali not vouching for it is what convinced me even more that they were scum and they wanted to follow what I was going to do (bring PP back and target SAS/Enchant). I was wrong: Ali was so convinced that LLD was scum that they went for that, which I don't judge, you don't let scum!LLD live by any circumstances. But Ali was the nightkill and I saved them, and I don't think you shoot Ali in any scenario because you were as paranoid as I was; if you were scum, that would go through your mind and you would rather kill Flea as the safe bet, and Ali had you townpinned too, so if anything went wrong during the night, you'd have Ali the next day to push either me or Enchant and win.

Your frustration was and keeps being real, and that's what makes me believe that both you and Enchant are the remaining town in the main thread. But does it really matter from my perspective?

If Flea is the remaining scum, fae can still make faer case against you, and convince Enchant that you're the last scum. I can hypothetically make a pact with Flea right now that, if we eliminate town today, I won't act during the night and fae'll kill the remaining town, and we both win.

But I'd rather win with town, since after N1 I had to legitimately scumhunt and I've been trying to win with town the entire game, so that'll feel like the better scenario, the "good ending" of this game. So I'll say this and hope that it helps to convince you: I believe that town's best strategy, with the information they have so far, is to not believe me and eliminate me, and hope that Kokichi and Ali will come back to the game. In that scenario, you start the next day in a 1v3 with two conftowns, which is pretty good. Both Kokichi and Ali think that Flea is the remaining scum, too, so from either town or scum!Wave, eliminating me is a gambit that could be the only path.

Problem is, I'm telling the truth, and if I'm eliminated today, scum wins. So all I can say is good luck, I won't judge you whichever decision you make, since I think you've played wonderfully and you were my main pain in the ass this game.

VOTE: Flea the Magician

ps: Kokichi asked me not to make his flavor public and I respected his wishes. He wouldn't die if I claimed from his behalf, but since I dragged him out of the game on N1, I think the least I could do was to do what he told me.

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:24 pm

I'm going to sleep now, if you have any concerns, I'll address them tomorrow

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:25 pm

Oh and one last thing:

In post 977, Pink Ball wrote: I don't see my power as "too much power", more like "too swingy"

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:50 pm

I know that!

Do you really think that, after everything I wrote, thinking that you’re scum is “freaking hilarious”?

It’s either Wave or you, being 50% wrong is not “freaking hilarious” in my books.

Pink Ball · Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:58 pm

Enchant, read the Prologue, that’s all the actions I have. Flea answered you too. Kind of upset that this is all you have to say about what I said

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:00 am

HAHAHAHAHA ok you good

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:01 am

I think from a replacement point of view, the only thing that matters from that post is the prologue and what I wrote after chapter 6, since the chapters are just a recapitulation on why I played like I played and that won’t make sense to you

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:07 am

In post 2012, Flea The Magician wrote: Thing is PB I'm the one hardblocking your win from all perspectives, you arent winning here while I'm up.

Maf needs to take you down too for their win.

soooo.... Good luck?

VOTE: NO Elimination.

And yes, yes it is hilarious. Because you need the elimination which means you need scum to side with you for the Enchant lolhammer to happen.

I only need the elimination if you’re the remaining scum so I’m going for that, yes. That’s why I said that even if I can’t get you eliminated, I can still win siding with you. A no elimination with you being the remaining scum means I get redirected; if I target anyone, I’d have to kill Ali or Kokichi, then I die from your nightkill and you win, so if we don’t eliminate, I don’t target anyone, you kill me and start the next day just like this one, but without me.

If that’s the route you want to take, so be it.

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:13 am

As I said, I can side with scum!Flea if you convince Enchant that Wave is scum, but you’d have my vote with a non-binding agreement that you don’t kill me and I don’t act.

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:16 am

But yeah your best strat is to no vote here and redirect me and kill me and try to win on MELo tomorrow. I get that.

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:44 am

In post 2022, Flea The Magician wrote: Oh and as SK you cant townside.

So ya know, i can absolutely fulfil that promise that i won't kill or redirect you.

Because I dont have that power.

I’m a survivor

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:50 am

I mean, I’m more than that yeah

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:03 am

In post 880, Wavelength wrote: I am Apollo Justice from the Ace Attorney games.

First ability functionally made me novice (I had to use this ability night 1 psyching myself up for court lol)

2 shot invest to see if someone has killed or tried to kill so far this game.
2 shot flavor cop.

I used my kill invest on Ircher last night. I kind of figured that with his miller claim specifically saying it worked for trackers, then if he was he was setting himself up to be doing the night kill night 1, but my result was that he has not tried to kill. So part of why I am not sure what to do with him anymore.

Side note, this is why I put Amici to E-1. I saw his flavor cop claim, and did not expect there to be two town flavor cops. I kind of thought I was going to have to claim the flavor cop day 2, but literally no one asked me why I voted amici lol

This. He later flavor copped me and last night targeted me with his other ability.

I don’t remember/know what he did with his other flavor cop shot, maybe he still has it?

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:19 am

I agree with you, but I think that Flea thought the game was over with the information fae had: everything I said about scum!Ali applies to scum!Flea or scum!Wave on that matter, that if I targeted Enchant and brought back PP, scum wins.

The thing is, if something goes wrong, who gets more advantage by killing Ali?

If it is scum!Wave, he kills Flea and 1v1s either Enchant or Pink Ball, and Ali never votes him.

If it is scum!Flea, fae doesn’t win in a 1v1 against Wave with Ali alive, so best alternative is to either kill Wave and 1v1 Enchant or kill Ali and 1v1 Wave. The first alternative is no good because either the game is over at the start of the day if PP is town, or PP is scum and the redirector is alive, and only Wave, Ali or Flea can be the redirector. Wave is a better 1v1 than Ali since Ali was being universally townread

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:22 am

Technically, what I said about Flea is applicable to Wave too: if the game is not over, PP is confscum and Wave can’t 1v1 Enchant ‘cause he can’t be the redirector. But still, with Ali full townreading Wave, I think Wave still doesn’t kill them and tries to push me or something else with Ali vouching for him

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:25 am

It’s not a good argument to be honest, the remaining scum was in a tough position last night ‘cause if Pink Ball does what he said he would do, Enchant is not an alternative for the nightkill. But if Pink Ball doesn’t do what he said he would do, Enchant is the best nightkill. So I think the last scum had to believe what I said and just went for killing Ali without giving it much thought

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:55 am

That’s true. That would point to a 1-shot redirect rather than a full redirect. Remember that there’s something that stopped Ali’s action on N1 and Flea claimed being redirected on N2, that’s why we know that either Wave is scum and had that redirection shot, or Flea is scum and fae stopped Ali’s action on N1. That’s why there is speculation around a redirector

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:01 am

They shot Marashu and Marashu obviously didn’t die. Dragons targeted Marashu too, and their action failed too. So with every claim being confirmed by now, we know that Ali’s shot must have failed because of an uncomfirmed scum power and Marashu stopped the other one (or viseversa)

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:06 am

Let me go back to D2 and see how it went ‘cause I remember that the idea of a redirector started there, before Flea claimed being redirected on N2.

I’m on my phone so it could take time

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:24 am

In post 911, Flea The Magician wrote: OH and I have Here there be dragons the bunny hood last night.

In post 914, Wavelength wrote:
In post 911, Flea The Magician wrote: OH and I have Here there be dragons the bunny hood last night.
um.... hi.

I got a bunny hood last night ?

In post 916, Wavelength wrote: Magical item, turn into bunny, cannot use any other actions while a bunny, visit another player and they are notified that they were visited by a bunny.

It may only be used once, and cannot be transferred

In post 922, Flea The Magician wrote: Everyone needs to full claim,.including flavour.
There is a redirector.

This is where the redirector paranoia started, not on D2 as I remembered.

@Wave did you claim who you visited during N3 as a bunny? Didn’t you flavor cop me on N3?

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:25 am

So either Flea claimed being redirected when fae actually killed Dragons, or Wave redirected Flea’s to himself to get a mask.

Let me check what Wave claimed doing on N3.

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:27 am

In post 1321, Wavelength wrote: Pinkball is "The Dream Kid"

Yeah here it is. I don’t know what to think about this. How did you act this night if you had the bunny mask??????

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:34 am

Kokichi’s target becomes unstoppable

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:31 am

Oh ok I thought that it activated automatically. Than fucking god Wave

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:31 am

Thank*

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:41 am

My action resolves after a redirection and before the scum nightkill, that’s confirmed.

Pink Ball · Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:42 am

In post 2058, Wavelength wrote:
In post 2017, Pink Ball wrote: But yeah your best strat is to no vote here and redirect me and kill me and try to win on MELo tomorrow. I get that.
If scum had a redirector left, this is not how to play it btw.

They would redirect you to Me and then kill the other townie (or vice versa)

And the game would end 1:1 right then, no need for Melo.

But I seriously doubt that the redirector still has shots, because nothing has appeared to be redirected since N2

You’re right, and Enchant said something along those lines too: if the redirector had any shots left, they would have redirected me last night instead of letting me to decide who I target