Night Watch Open 95 - Game Over before 703

afatchic · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:44 am

/confirm

afatchic · Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:51 am

well i never got my RV, so i

Vote Crazy

afatchic · Post Post #43 (isolation #2) » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:50 pm

Just an idea here, but the RVS is supposed to be random, so yeah everyone voting the same person defeats the idea. lol

afatchic · Post Post #59 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:16 pm

okay to be honest i don't at all like ortolans idea of the PR's claiming right now. that just seems scummy to me. however, an idea that i like a little better, which was done in a game i just finished. is everyone fake claims as hider. and you say i hid behind (player) last night, so they are town. and then right before night everyone claims who they will hide behind if they were hider. so right now no one is cleared, and the mafia don't have a clue who the hider is, but whenever the hider dies, the town can go back and look at their reports and find who is actually cleared, and who the hider died behind.

afatchic · Post Post #65 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:48 pm

camn wrote:afatchic plan seems good, and fun.

ortolan's obsession with gaming the power roles is neither good, nor fun.

Does anyone have any reason we should not do this?
The answer is.. we should be playing mafia instead.

so by doing what i said we should do we are somehow not playing mafia?

you say we should stop talking about power roles, yet that seems to be what your enitre last post was about, being a little hypocritical?

Unvote, Vote camn

for being against something that may be very helpful for the town.

afatchic · Post Post #70 (isolation #5) » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:42 am

camn- sorry i misunderstood what you was trying to say, but i get it now. i also thought ort seemed very scummy with his behavior over the PR's, but it seemed somewhat newbish to me, just something to keep in mind though.

however i don't really agree with what TCS is saying. first by doing what i said, it would give an inno from last night upon the hiders death. if the hider dies, plus a nk on a person the hider didn't claim to hide behind, you have caught one mafia. finally, if the hider becomes so obvious that the mafia know who to shoot and get a double kill, then it should be obvious to the watcher, and yet again we catch a mafia. IMO this seems like the only way to make the most of the hider role.

So can you please explain how this plan is flawed....? FOS TCS

afatchic · Post Post #77 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:31 am

bion- also include who you hid behind last night, this bring up cleared townies and makes it easier.

afatchic · Post Post #80 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:48 am

TCS the odds of the hider getting double killed is very high. however if we don't do anything to try and use the hider to our advantage we will never get the innocents that they found. and once they die we can go and figure out who the innocents are.

afatchic · Post Post #88 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:50 pm

just out of curiosity does anyone other than me see something going terribly wrong with the hypoclaim?

afatchic · Post Post #91 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:48 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:
afatchic wrote:just out of curiosity does anyone other than me see something going terribly wrong with the hypoclaim?
If somebody picked mafia n1 in their list , then mafia would know which ones are fake.

Maybe we should skip night 1 for now?

hmm.... hadn't thought about that, when we used this before it was with a cop, so that didn't really matter.

however my problem was, as a hider your job is too clear townies, and eventually find the mafia, resulting in your death. you just have to breadcrumb it enough to let the town know who you are visiting each night. so therefore.... why would you visit the same person n1 and 2?

afatchic · Post Post #103 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:17 pm

strangerCoug can you please explain to me why a hider would hide behind the same person two nights in a row? i don't really understand this idea, just seems that all you are worried about is self preservation.

ill go next, but i don't know how to do the quote box thing, so if someone can do it for mine and SC's above me that would be great.

I hid behind icemanE last night and will hide behind SC tonight.

afatchic · Post Post #106 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:42 pm

StrangerCoug wrote:
afatchic wrote:strangerCoug can you please explain to me why a hider would hide behind the same person two nights in a row? i don't really understand this idea, just seems that all you are worried about is self preservation.
Because I don't have any better candidates in mind and this is only the first or second game I've played with a hider role. Apologies for not being familiar with the role.

afatchic wrote:I hid behind icemanE last night and will hide behind SC tonight.
You just accused me of being worried about self-preservation, yet you want to hide behind me. I don't get it.

This is the first game i have played with a hider, so i really don't have any idea about it, which is why i am asking questions. and yeah i just said i would hide behind you as a random since you was right above me, only the actual hider has to worry about making a decent guess at who to hide behind.

afatchic · Post Post #109 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:11 pm

camn your last post is QFT, just really long to actually quote.

also please no one left pick the same person.

afatchic · Post Post #111 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:31 pm

Xtoxm wrote:Want to find scum? That's a .. different approach.

Hang on a minute...I don't get how it works.

It could be scum causing hider death...But couldn't it equally be killing of innocent he hid behind?

if the person he says he will hide behind and the hider both die, then its most likely a double kill. if a random person dies, plus the hider, then he hid behind a scum.

afatchic · Post Post #113 (isolation #14) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:42 pm

Xtoxm wrote:Hmm..I think it works, actually. Though it's prob better for hider to stay alive with multiple town cleared.

N1 - Camn
N2 - Ice

yeah i agree actually. i think i messed up earlier saying their job is too find scum. i would actually think it would be better for them to clear about 3 or 4 people, then find a scum. but it all works i guess.

afatchic · Post Post #119 (isolation #15) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:54 pm

camn how do i make the list and i will do it myself, just don't have any idea how to.

now that i think about everyone has put in there targets... we need to get to lynching, just don't really know how to transition. lol.

afatchic · Post Post #147 (isolation #16) » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:39 pm

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I think that the fact that panda stomper waited to go last is as good a reason as any to vote him. Between him and orangepenguin I think we have about a 50% chance of lynching scum.

unvote, vote: Panda Stomper 85

care to explain how you are so sure that one of these two is mafia after only 6 pages, most of which is useless talk. i would also be interested in what makes going last scummy, while he may have intentionally done it, he may just not have been on lately.

afatchic · Post Post #149 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:11 pm

Since nothing is happening, so i think we need some sort of a wagon to get things rolling, and because i really think he is scum...

UNVOTE, VOTE The Central Scrutinizer

afatchic · Post Post #154 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:39 pm

Xtoxm wrote:I am not liking this TCS wagon at all.

care to shed some light?

afatchic · Post Post #166 (isolation #19) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:24 am

StrangerCoug wrote:
FoS: afatchic
for mindlessly bandwagoning and
HoS: bionicchop2
for OMGUS and not giving reasons for his last two votes.

sorry for my "mindless bandwagoning" that actually got you to talk[/sarcasm]

but really.... i thought you was scum. and i thought a bandwagon was a good idea... in that order. when i placed the vote though, i didn't go look as i new it wasn't close to a lynch and thought it was only the second vote.

when i get home i will make a decent post of why i think TCS is likely scum.

also TCS in post 164 why are you already talking about your deadline vote. how bout we pick up the activity and not worry about the deadline right now. that post seems scummy to me.

afatchic · Post Post #176 (isolation #20) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:18 pm

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
The deadline has been set. I don't see any reason not to talk about it. To say that I will pick from that group of four for my deadline vote is simply to say that I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone else at this juncture. I'm sorry if you feel threatened that you are included in this group.

no by all means include me into this group. actually i think everyone should almost be included in this group, unless you are hider in which case you know one inno. given certain conditions i agree that you should start narrowing down your possible suspects in light of the deadline.

however this is not one. we have extremely little info to go on right now, the deadline is like two weeks away, and you are already considering a deadline vote? that seems scummy to me. so can you at all tell me why you think the four of us are scum, or why the others are not?

and then you say that you won't be comfortable lynching on of them at this juncture. do you really think that we will be at a similar situation with this limited information in two weeks at deadline?

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I think one of op/panda is scum... and I think a bandwagon is good... and I think that activity wasn't enough at the time I made the vote. If my reasons are suspect then so should yours be; you've done little different from me aside from hopping on a wagon rather than attempting to start one.

okay that is completely fine with me, suspect me; question me; do whatever you like, its what you are supposed to do. but the difference is that mine was done in more of an attempt to gain information and get conversation started. which both seemed to happen. (info gathered... bio joined the wagon pretty quickly.)

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:A question Which do you generally find more likely for scum to do--start a wagon or hop onto one?

the ones that hop onto it, and what basis they have for jumping on it. a lot of time scum won't try to form a wagon in fear that they will get caught defending their wagon, yet are usually quick to jump on half way through, since others are also doing it.

afatchic · Post Post #177 (isolation #21) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:23 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:
Reason for vote on TCS - to see who the first player to overreact would be. icemanE stepped into that one nicely. I gave an intentionally easy target for scum to pounce on and point fingers.

Never do this. setting a trap, normally always catches you. unless you are a mason, in which case you have other proof that you are townie, it normally gets more pressure on you then the person jumping on you. also a lot of times the first person to jump on you is an over eager townie, rather than an opportunistic scum.

also you voted with the promise of a reread and more thought.... hows that coming?

afatchic · Post Post #178 (isolation #22) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:26 pm

also im really curious about orangepenguin and crazy's thoughts about everything that has happened over the last three pages or so.

(sorry for the triple post)

afatchic · Post Post #182 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:43 pm

afatchic wrote:
bionicchop2 wrote:hmm.... hadn't thought about that, when we used this before it was with a cop, so that didn't really matter.

i didn't mean to say that i had just finished a game as hider where we did this, i meant to say i just finished a game where we did this hypo claim. however in that game we used it as a cop. so could didn't have to out themselves with inno's and their reports became more useful after they got NK'd. i have actually never played with a hider, and prior to seeing it here, have never heard about it.

afatchic · Post Post #190 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:35 am

icemanE wrote:Last page I implied that a scumteam of bio and afatchic was possible. In a quick reread I noticed that they were the two major proponents of the hypoclaim plan. I'm trying to think of a possible scum motivation for suggesting this plan. It is ostensibly protown, from what I can tell. However, they had N1 to discuss how they'd proceed. I will mull it over.

Also, bio's main priority in previous pages seemed to be discussing how the hider should proceed. Coupled with the fact that fat suggested the plan, with bio quickly agreeing with it and then starting it - I dunno, I'll have to watch these two in coming posts.

just something to say bout this.... a lot of times, especially on day 1, scum will attach to a townie as if they were their partner, so that if they get lynched, the townie goes tomorrow and kinda covers for their partner or if the townie gets lynched first then it kinda clears them to some people. rarely will you catch both scum playing off each other on d1.

also i really don't know how that idea can be any help to scum, unless everyone decides to say they hid behind scum last night. which would narrow down the odds for who could be hider.

afatchic · Post Post #194 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:14 pm

TCS my main reason for voting you was more or less to get conversation started... which it has.

i haven't unvoted because i don't like how you are treating it as if the deadline is almost here and you have already narrowed down who you would considered voting for at deadline. can you explain to me why everyone else is clear? right now everyone should be about the same, give or take. since we don't have a whole lot of discussion.

afatchic · Post Post #196 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:24 pm

Camn im confused, who do you think is scummiest?

afatchic · Post Post #215 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:43 pm

icemanE- yes i was implying him "buddying up" to me. but i wouldn't try a case on that right now, it seems to early to tell. but there def. a few times where he seems to have just followed me. just something to keep in mind and watch as the game goes on.

Camn that has to be one of the more scummy comments i have seen today about lynching lurkers. that is not how you should approach the situation. only 9 pages in and easy reading, get replacements. if they continue to active lurk ( post exactly every 3 days with no content and one line long) then consider lynching them, but right now worry about the active and let the mod do his job.

HOS CAMN.

sorry in advance for the double post... but more coming.

afatchic · Post Post #217 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:09 pm

heres my first PBPA of the game... and OP gets the honors,
1) confirm
2) defends crazy in RV
3)sarcastic random vote.
4) another sarcastic post
5) hider claim...
6) not really sure, guess ill have to go back and read in context.
7)talks about wiki, still added nothing to the game.
8)says he doesn't like TCS coment... so instead of pressuring, he makes a joke about it. i have seen this done a lot by scum.
9)ERWOP
10)uh oh... actually questions, TCS, but thats because TCS says OP is scum.
11) more game strategy.

So all in all, we are nearly ten pages in and Orangepenguin has added no useful content to the game. i even asked him what his thoughts were, and he adds a one liner about not lynching lurkers.

OP who are your top three suspects and why?

UNVOTE VOTE Orangepenguin

afatchic · Post Post #227 (isolation #29) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:02 pm

i didn't mean for it to sound like i thought the one liner was an attempt to answer my question. i just meant that i asked you a question, and yet instead of answering it, all you can do is add a one line comment on strategy. which shows that you are here, yet ignore my question.

other than an OMGUS what do you have against me?

afatchic · Post Post #243 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:31 am

bionicchop2 wrote:
OP
- you seem to be the only person with your random vote still hanging around. Please update us on your current top suspect.

Goodluck with that, i asked as welll and got very little.

afatchic · Post Post #246 (isolation #31) » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:04 am

icemanE wrote:I'm still fine with bio.

care to explain why? we have like 4 pages of actual info, i know you haven't already found the lynch for today.

afatchic · Post Post #263 (isolation #32) » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:23 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:
Haschel Cedricson wrote:EBWOP: I am NOT asking you to whittle down your posts. In fact, if your summary was from memory that would be even better.
It isn't happening. Make your point. The next request for me to make a summary will just be spam and won't get a response.

FOS Haschel
who is now a very close 2nd on my suspect list.

will you just please give a four line answer too him. im curious as to why he wants it, and it seems quite obvious that he had a reason for picking you two out. my guess is that he had already read it prior to that.

FOS bio

for being stubborn!

afatchic · Post Post #266 (isolation #33) » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:45 pm

If he does his bullets first... then don't you think think there is a pretty good chance one of then may copy? obviously he has some reason behind doing it.. lets see it first.

afatchic · Post Post #276 (isolation #34) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:10 pm

orangepenguin wrote:
Haschel Cedricson wrote:
orangepenguin wrote:
unvote

Pretty self explanatory at this point.
Explain anyway.
Er... O.K.

bio = random vote.

my post = unvote random vote.

so you don't have any top suspects, or anyone worthy of a vote after 11 pages?

afatchic · Post Post #277 (isolation #35) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:15 pm

camn wrote:
UNVOTE

What you were doing THEN merited a vote.. but I like what you have delivered since.
And it's no personality change. I just needed a third. And then the Coug got me all worked up.

@afatchic.. do you have any other suspects .. . other than OP?

TCS- like hascel said, he hasn't done anything overly scummy, but he has done a lot of minor things noteworthy.

Bio- im still not sure about him. he could very well be an over eager townie. he has done well defending himself these past few pages.

theres my top three...

afatchic · Post Post #284 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:14 am

man i think your PBPA is a lil better than mine! but either way its what i was trying to say!

afatchic · Post Post #286 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:37 am

camn wrote:a lurker by any other name.......still should hang.

I'd rather see an OP lynch than Bio... on principle.

its not that he is lurking... but rather active lurking. its quite apparent he is here since he comments daily, yet he has added no content and done nothing to help the game along.

afatchic · Post Post #288 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:15 am

orangepenguin wrote:So basically all I amount to is a policy lynch? That's going to benefit the town for sure.

Vote: TCS

can you please explain where you get policy lynch from? and also why don't you try and back up your voe with something other than OMGUS. he voted you for the same reason i did, so why haven't i gotten a vote yet?

afatchic · Post Post #293 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:31 pm

Haschel Cedricson wrote:
orangepenguin wrote:So basically all I amount to is a policy lynch? That's going to benefit the town for sure.

Vote: TCS
The only way the case on you is a "policy lynch" is if you agree that you are active lurking. Is this true?

im gonna try and make this as simple as possible.
Active Lurking = extremely scummy.
Orangepenguin = Active Lurker
Lynching Active Lurker =/= Policy Lynch
therefore:
Lynching OP =/= Policy lynch.

does that make sense?

im voting you and want a lynch on you because i think you are scum, not because you are lurking. TCS never said lynch the lurker, he said lynch the one pretending to help.

afatchic · Post Post #305 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:15 pm

What do you not get about the wagon? we are not voting him for lurking, we are voting him for active lurking, which is scummy. he has made attempts to act like he is helping, but has done nothing productive and done no scum hunting.

afatchic · Post Post #309 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:45 pm

OP ill let you defend yourself, in the first 12 pages of the game, where have you helped at all? you are saying the case is ridiculous on you, yet its true. not helping is scummy. we are voting you because you are scummy, not because we have no one else better to vote.

afatchic · Post Post #315 (isolation #42) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:49 am

icemanE wrote:Yeah, the OP wagon seems like it's just... there... without any reason to be there...

Any of you have a better idea to take right now?
OP is the only one that strikes me as scummy.
TCS has done a few things that i don't like, maybe scummy, but not enough yet to push for his lynch.
Bio is the same way in the fact that he has done a couple things that i haven't liked, but right now not lynch worthy.
OP is the only one in my mind that has been scummy for 13 straight pages, therefore i think he would be a good lynch for today.

afatchic · Post Post #326 (isolation #43) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:26 pm

camn wrote:
Then why, pray tell, are you good for the town, even if you AREN'T scum?

Do you really need someone to answer this question for you?

ortolan wrote:
Overall I don't see how such aggressive play can help the town, especially when it's given with so few reasons and is as bandwagonny as his.

Are you suggesting that he will hurt the town, even if he is townie? we have ways to prove allignment, so a lynch because they are harmful to the down is a bunch or crap.
anyways.... congrats, you both just hit scum tell number 1. so with that comes...

UNVOTE VOTE CAMN

, why would you EVER want to lynch a townie, regardless of how distracting they may be?

FOS ORTOLAN

afatchic · Post Post #328 (isolation #44) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:55 pm

camn wrote:Then why, pray tell, are you good for the town,
even if you AREN'T scum?

Scumtell number 1 is saying they are a good lynch, despite alignment. and you saying even if you aren't scum, implies that you are not sure about his alignment, but want to lynch him regardless.

And ortolan also hit the scumtell by saying he doesn't see how his aggresive play will help the town, even if he is town, then following the statement by a vote.

afatchic · Post Post #330 (isolation #45) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:57 pm

How did i hit a false dilemma?
and camn there is not a reason to ever lynch a townie.

afatchic · Post Post #332 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:33 pm

Normally when you want a lynch, you are nearly positive they are scum. Im not voting you to get you lynched, im voting you to pressure and judge reactions.

afatchic · Post Post #335 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:00 pm

Yes ortolan you figured it out, im just lazy. not because the same thing applied to both you and camn, that would be just a dumb idea to think that[sarcasm]

but the way it sounded is that well he could be scum because he did this, but even if he isn't he will still hurt the town. which is scummy.

afatchic · Post Post #354 (isolation #48) » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:11 pm

Meant to do this sooner but

UNVOTE Camn, Vote Orange Penguin

the vote on camn was just to gauge reactions and everything. ive seen scum make that same statement, and fold when questioned about it. and since i was the first to start the wagon on OP and his defense has been terrible, so i still think he is scum.

Thats L-2 i think, no mis-hammers.

afatchic · Post Post #360 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:06 am

camn wrote:softclaim? Really?

my thoughts exactly. he better have a pretty good real claim is all i got to say.
and im kinda anxious for his case on me....lol

afatchic · Post Post #371 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:12 pm

Crazy wrote:afatchic - Very well could be scum. His weak wagon vote on the TCS wagon is really what gets to me.

can you find anything else beside the vote scummy? and i really want you to explain what the problem is with the vote. at the time we had very little information, and very little activity. so i said i thought TCS was scum, and i thought we needed a wagon to get things moving, which it worked. then after the activity picked up i unvoted and moved on to OP, so whats the problem?

afatchic · Post Post #373 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:13 pm

Oh,

UNVOTE

no way im lynching a claimed Power role day 1. the claim seems sincere since most scum would have actually claimed a role there in order to get the real role to claim.

afatchic · Post Post #376 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:51 pm

afatchic wrote:Since nothing is happening, so i think we need some sort of a wagon to get things rolling, and because i really think he is scum...
UNVOTE, VOTE The Central Scrutinizer

im actually pretty sure i said that exact same thing if im not mistaken. ......now whats wrong with it?

afatchic · Post Post #377 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:54 pm

and the reason i haven't picked out either of you for the active lurking is that i didn't notice. i thought you was advised up of V/La, and your icon blends in, while the bright orange thing sticks out and you notice when you don't see it for a while. and it wasn't just that he wasn't posting often enough, but rather not posting much content. crazy, i think you have been posting sufficient information to not qualify for that. however if i remember correctly, xtoxm hasn't really been posting much information either, but i may be wrong.

afatchic · Post Post #382 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:54 pm

Hascel Cedricson/ ortolan can you please explain your case against TCS.
Crazy can you please explain your case against camn.

Right now im stuck at where to go now. OP was by far my number one, and no one else was really all that close. TCS and camn would have been next, but neither really lynch worthy.

afatchic · Post Post #383 (isolation #55) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:55 pm

camn wrote:I'm willing to add some heat to that, given the QUICKLY approaching deadline.

VOTE ORTOLAN

I think my opinions on him are pretty well documented...
but the essence is this: I would rather see the Central Scrutinizer live than this guy. Plus, for pressure.
See, like, half of my posts for the rest of my argument.

What makes you think that TCS is more pro-town than ortolan?

afatchic · Post Post #387 (isolation #56) » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:16 am

camn wrote:
ortolan wrote:camn I am suspicious of your intense bandwagon hopping- on OP, off OP, on OP again,
I was never on/off/on... the mod just missed my vote, IIRC.

Plus, in the TCS vs. Ort deal.. I think TCS has brought better analysis, and is thus more USEFUL to the town.. . but this could change.
DO I think either are 100% scum? No. But the deadline is coming fast... we need to accelerate some stuff here!

but if TCS is scum, then his reports probably hurt the town more than they help because then he has a better chance of manipulating the town into voting a townie out. don't vote by usefulness, vote on scumminess.

afatchic · Post Post #393 (isolation #57) » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:06 am

side note... anyone planning to hide behind either camn, TCS, or ortolan tonight please provide a second choice just incase one of them gets lynched.

so right now would i be right in saying TCS Camn and ortolan are all leading the vote count with two each?

afatchic · Post Post #395 (isolation #58) » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:13 am

bionicchop2 wrote:afatchic only questioned you on your preference of one over the other.

its true....

afatchic · Post Post #407 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:48 pm

I know this is going to sound really scummy, but i also agree on xtoxm. however, i don't want our deadline lynch to be because of lurking. i think we have enough information to make a decent lynch, but i don't know who that is. lol. and i guess it looks like ill get the hammering vote as im the only one not voting i think.

afatchic · Post Post #409 (isolation #60) » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:01 pm

ortolan wrote:
And my claim is because I am tied for a deadline lynch. Which is effectively L-1. And I am not going to have a lot of time to deal with things this week. . . so I thought I would throw it out there. It's easy when you are vanilla!
If you are indeed vanilla and don't get lynched, then the fact you've claimed may have moderately bad results for the town by increasing the likelihood of scum hitting power roles by knowing not to target you.

Im pretty sure they hit Power role tonight (OP) unless he is hider, then it may be a no kill or double kill.

afatchic · Post Post #414 (isolation #61) » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:21 pm

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:HC
is
scum...

And you know this how?

afatchic · Post Post #421 (isolation #62) » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:42 am

Yeah, i doubt that was too much role fishing, since he was more of asking the town how we could use the hider the best way. also, i think it was about his first week on the site when it happened, so you may even pass if of as just newbish. but either way... i don't really think he is the lynch for today.

that leaves TCS and Camn- both are tied votes i think, or does TCS have one more? either way, im going to try and get a reread in tonight prior to placing my vote. I would still like to hear from everyone on who they think is scummier and why. its a day before deadline, and our game has kinda went dead.

afatchic · Post Post #423 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:41 am

camn wrote:I tend to agree with you about Ort, afatchic.... but I would have loved to see the defense come from him, rather than anyone else!

i know i shouldn't have put the defense up for him, but that was just my opinion.

camn wrote:Just did a quick read on TCS, though.. and I don't see him as scum. ...
I, of course, would rather see Xtoxm hang.. but we don't have the time.

I have a bad feeling about this day!

i tend to agree, i don't really like the direction of this day either. we need more imput from some of the other players. i would also much rather pressure xtoxm and see where that goes, but we don't have time before deadline.

mod can get a prod out to Xtomx

you do realize that by saying TCS isn't scum, it leaves you as the lynch...

I still think we can do pretty good, as long as we don't out another PR. if all remaining PR's can make it through the night, and hider have 2 cleared(that aren't pr's), then the town should be in real good shape i think.

just some thoughts for if i die tonight... id be willing to be a couple of the scum are the ones that have "disappeared" lately with deadline coming up, so they get no more pressure and don't change the direction of the lynch. everyone knows that with as little info we have on a few of the players, a deadline lynch won't happen on someone not active to defend themselves.

afatchic · Post Post #431 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:26 pm

Ortolan- sometimes it just takes another persons opinion to change your views. and when you posted that back on 92 and 117, you may have still been acting scummy, but i would be willing to say your play has improved since then.

Also, very good catch on why TCS may be stuck up on them, however i think he probably shouldn't confirm this today. it brings a little wifom into the night stage. and if he dies watcher tomorrow, then we can go from there. OP will full claim and see if any CC arise. then we may even have to have hider fully claim, since mafia will practically be able to narrow it down and find him after the hides tonight.

afatchic · Post Post #433 (isolation #65) » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:06 pm

just out of curiosity, how often are a few day extensions given out when we are in need of prods on quite a few people. either way ill reread in the morning, and see what comes of that.

afatchic · Post Post #436 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:38 pm

I didn't about him getting lynched. yeah TCS please claim today when you get on.

afatchic · Post Post #443 (isolation #67) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:44 am

bionicchop2 wrote:Initial reactions to my re-skim:

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Not as suspicious of icemanE. I may have been too trappy in my gambit. Needs refinement.
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Very suspicious of Xtoxm due to my experience in playing with him. Something is off about his game in this one. I think he is fitting into his scum meta more than his town meta in a few ways. I will leave it at that for now. My point about OP's power claim and his hypclaim on Xtoxm remains, so I don't think he is a good vote for today. Definite
FoS
though and will look at closer if we find OP to not be hider.
=====
Camn still looking very scummy to me, particularly at the start of the game:

camn wrote:That sucks about KMD... I was looking forward to another game with you!
- discussion about being saddened by the night results which implies she would not kill KMD.

camn wrote: OR, maybe its scum trying to bait us into a WIFOM-driven retaliation nightkill discussion...
Like killing Xtoxm in order to build a case against Crazy. (which is what
I
would have done!)
- along the same lines, "If I were scum" discussion (unprovoked). Town really has no reason to discuss who they would have killed if they were scum.
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I also don't feel AS bad about the TCS wagon as I did previously. I still think Camn is a much better lynch today. She has also already claimed and did not claim a power role.

Well, sadly i do think he may be the hider, which clears xtoxm.

afatchic · Post Post #447 (isolation #68) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:07 am

I just looked through all the mods posts and couldn't find anything. I'm assuming the vote leader gets lynched.

afatchic · Post Post #450 (isolation #69) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:11 am

bionicchop2 wrote:
afatchic wrote: I'm assuming the vote leader gets lynched.
Dangerous assumption. We should go for 6 votes and play it safe.

after he claims, ill be adding a vote.

afatchic · Post Post #452 (isolation #70) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:14 am

45 mins!?!?

afatchic · Post Post #455 (isolation #71) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:15 am

Xtoxm- pretty convenient that you haven't been here the last few days when everyone was considering voting you, yet you show up an hour before lynch to make sure it happens.

afatchic · Post Post #457 (isolation #72) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:18 am

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:So yeah...
unvote, vote: Haschel Cedricson

P1: One of orangepenguin or Haschel Cedricson is scum.
P2: Orange penguin is not scum.

Ergo, HC is scum.

Im really not liking the wagon. he sounds like a PR. maybe he watched the kill last night.

VOTE CAMN.

i don't want to see a possible Power role get killed today.

afatchic · Post Post #458 (isolation #73) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:22 am

EBWOP:

UNVOTE Camn, VOTE Haschel Cedricson

i personally think he may have to PR, and since i think we are lynching a townie either way, im voting HC. hopefully we can get enough people to show up and through a vote down to get this thing moving.

afatchic · Post Post #460 (isolation #74) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:28 am

Well TCS and HC are at three. hopefully its majority wins, and Bio can come drop a vote down.

afatchic · Post Post #462 (isolation #75) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:35 am

bionicchop2 wrote:I will be here most of the day before deadline. We shouldn't have a problem locking a lynch.

25 mins to deadline....

afatchic · Post Post #464 (isolation #76) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:43 am

Oh. Xtoxm said that it was 45 mins to deadline, and i assumed he knew what he was talking about.

afatchic · Post Post #467 (isolation #77) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:22 am

HC is leading votes right now. so if vote leader at deadline dies, then hes the one to go right now.

MOD- do we have to reach a majority decision before deadline, or does the vote leader get lynched?

afatchic · Post Post #481 (isolation #78) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:52 pm

Well, that was expected. Post some more thoughts in just a second.

afatchic · Post Post #482 (isolation #79) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:58 pm

SC-When you claimed to hide behind the same person N1 and 2 i thought it was because you was a different PR(watcher, Rolecop) so i didn't push the issue. But now all Power Roles are outed, and that wasn't the case. So why exactly did you do that?

afatchic · Post Post #483 (isolation #80) » Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:13 pm

heres my general ideas about everyone, in no certain order:
Ortolan- he completely turned around the wagon off of the watcher and onto the scum at deadline yesterday. otherwise we would have lynched watcher and still have all remaining scum. so im really thinking townie here.
OrangePenguin- Power Role, enough said--- Townie
Camn- still unsure about, she did some things day 1 that i really didn't like, but also did some that i did like.-- neutral at best.
xtoxm- lurked majority of day one. absent once suspicion arose about him-----scum/neutral
IcemanE-got a generally townie vibe from him day 1, he seemed to be doing genuine scumhunting.--- townie.
StrangerCoug- still baffled by the hiding behind the same person n1 and 2, after it had already been pointed out not to do it. scum/neutral
Crazy- don't remember much about him, i think he lurked most of day 1. -----scum/neutral
Bion.- He had some things i liked and some things i didn't like.--- neutral.

So right now my top three would be:
Xtoxm
Crazy
StrangerCoug

afatchic · Post Post #502 (isolation #81) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:12 pm

xtoxm you are not clear. and neither is bio

afatchic · Post Post #503 (isolation #82) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:14 pm

and where did you assume camn is clear?

I still think you are scum.

afatchic · Post Post #505 (isolation #83) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:19 pm

Its not, he hasnt payed attention the entire game and don't have a clue what hes talking about.

afatchic · Post Post #507 (isolation #84) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:22 pm

Xtoxm wrote:I'm the one not paying attention?

Bio has claimed Hider, clearing me and Camn.

yes you are not paying attention EVERYONE claimed hider. maybe you should reread the game, my be helpful

afatchic · Post Post #513 (isolation #85) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:31 pm

icemanE wrote:I dunno...

unless bio and Xtoxm are scum partners, (buckle in for some WIFOM) I doubt he'd say:

Xtoxm wrote: Bio has claimed Hider, clearing me and Camn.
...and even then, it would be a stupid move. I'm feeling Xtoxm as town now.

yeah i kinda agree... but i still don't see how it clears Camn.

afatchic · Post Post #514 (isolation #86) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:32 pm

If Xtoxm isn't scum, then i think the last two scum are between crazy camn and bio.

afatchic · Post Post #515 (isolation #87) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:33 pm

Crazy what are your thoughts on everyone right now?

afatchic · Post Post #522 (isolation #88) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:58 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:
StrangerCoug wrote:Try explaining what icemanE and I have done that is scummy, not using process of elimination based on for all I know are gut town reads on others.
That was elimination. The 5 he listed were the unknowns assuming I was hider who cleared xtoxm / camn and OP as role cop.

Since that is not the case, he needs to revisit his suspects to include camn and myself.

sorry, i thought you meant you went back to xtoxm because you hid behind him n1 and he was town, not because he was your original choice.

afatchic · Post Post #523 (isolation #89) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:00 pm

Xtoxm wrote:Town has 2 mislynches in hand at this point anyway.

i didn't realize that. so it might be a good idea for the hider to claim now if they do have two innos. then we can probably narrow it down from there. if hider thinks this is a good idea, go ahead and claim i guess.

afatchic · Post Post #524 (isolation #90) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:03 pm

also, i haven't really thought this one through all the way, but what if we do a quick no lynch, let the hider clear one more, or find a mafia, and then we are guaranteed a win.

afatchic · Post Post #530 (isolation #91) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:36 pm

Xtoxm wrote:Didn't realise Camn claimed townie. Well now Fat has too, so I think Hider should just claim.

I can claim mason, or SK, or Cult... but none of that matters. so why are we believing every time someone claims townie?

afatchic · Post Post #532 (isolation #92) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:40 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:
afatchic wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:Didn't realise Camn claimed townie. Well now Fat has too, so I think Hider should just claim.
I can claim mason, or SK, or Cult... but none of that matters. so why are we believing every time someone claims townie?
We are just believing it as a claim of 'not hider'. If camn was hider and claimed it saying at the same time she was getting some votes for a lynch, then it is a horrible move for a hider.

But she could be scum. i may have misread, but it seems like everyone is taking it as she is confirmed townie.

afatchic · Post Post #537 (isolation #93) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:40 pm

hey now we are moving somewhere!

afatchic · Post Post #538 (isolation #94) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:46 pm

Xtoxm wrote:
Vote SC

Reasoning behind this?

afatchic · Post Post #540 (isolation #95) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:13 pm

orangepenguin wrote:A no lynch might be a good idea, but I figure I would be night killed. Since the role role I can successfully investigate now is the hider, I am not that important anymore, besides confirming who isn't the hider and being another town body out there. If we no lynch, I suggest the hider to NOT hide behind me, cause I think they'd die, wouldn't they? It's kind of WIFOM that they'd kill me, but still. I am the likely candidate. It is possible for the scum to know who the hider is. I don't think the hider should claim though, unless he is going to be lynched.

I think the No-Lynch is a good idea if we can pull it off. right now its 7 townie vs 2 mafia, with most likely 4 town confirmed.
Double kill:
so even if the mafia get a double kill, it would be 5 vs 2, with one mislynch and 3 confirmed. then from that i think there will be atleast one more you can narrow it down to. which would give you two scum between three people with a mislynch. should be town win.
Hider hides behind mafia:
then its 5 vs 2 again, with 3 cleared, plus a confirmed mafia. which would make it 4 vs 1 with 2 cleared, and from that you can probably clear another. should result in a town win.
Hider gets another townie:
then its 6 vs 2 with 4 confirmed townies. should be a town win again.

i really think anyway we look at it, it should result in town win.

afatchic · Post Post #541 (isolation #96) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:30 pm

Not sure how good of an idea this may be... when i looked back, it looks like it can be narrowed down to two or three people depending on whos mafia. i'd like to hear other peoples ideas about it.

afatchic · Post Post #543 (isolation #97) » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:17 pm

ortolan wrote:your idea has potential, but bear in mind that the mafia have better odds of guessing the hider than town do- they know if someone has previously claimed to hide behind mafia and lived that this person is not the hider.

Yeah i checked it, and considering the people we have clear, i still think there are three people that can possibly be the hider. so the scum have a 1/3 shot at a double kill. however if they go for the double kill, they may kill an unchecked, and then give us even better odds. Also, camn don't bother claiming either, since the RC already checked you.

Tonight ill hide behind Camn.

afatchic · Post Post #556 (isolation #98) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:32 am

Sorry i thought OP checked camn not crazy. so crazy has no need to hypoclaim today.

afatchic · Post Post #558 (isolation #99) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:52 am

so then is the hider going to claim?

afatchic · Post Post #559 (isolation #100) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:16 pm

Okay here are my thoughts....
Im the hider. i was going to wait and hope a scum would try to claim it first, but im very impatient and the game has slowed down tonight.
Clears:
Afatchic
OrangePenguin
IcemanE
StrangerCoug

Unclear:
Bionicchop2
Camn
Crazy
Ortolan
Xtoxm

out of them, i think Camn and Ortolan are both townies. which then leaves:
Bionicchop2
Crazy
Xtoxm

and out of them i think the last two scum are bionicchop2 and crazy.

tonight i will attempt to find a scum. i am going to claim to hide behind one of the five uncleared. and if there is a double kill, that narrows it down and if i die and a random die, we caught one of the last scum. but i would like to hear peoples ideas first.

Anyways

Vote Crazy

as i think he is one of the two scum left.

And btw... there were still 3 possible hiders left, which is why i wanted a no lynch and another hypo claim.

afatchic · Post Post #561 (isolation #101) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:30 pm

camn wrote:Hmm.

Counter claim, anyone?

Someone please counter claim. i had everything all worked out in my head if the scum tried to counter claim. we wouldn't want all that work to go down the drain and have no use, would we?

afatchic · Post Post #563 (isolation #102) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:42 pm

camn wrote:If you ARE scum

Scum would fail miserably by claiming hider here. anyone wanna prove me wrong?

afatchic · Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:00 pm

Well d1 when she was saying that she wouldn't be that bad to lose d1 in a deadline lynch because she was only a townie i was thinking she was trying to sound pro town and that they were both mafia. and she new either way mafia would get lynched, so she just tried to make a protown move. but after finding out TCS was a PR, it makes me thinks she may be town as well. either way i have an idea that should get us the win.

afatchic · Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:08 am

bionicchop2 wrote:If afatchic hides behind scum, it doesn't help us since we won't know who she targeted.

I plan to tell you who im gonna hide behind.

afatchic · Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:08 pm

Heres my idea that im having right now, if its flawed someone please tell me. but everyone list there top three suspects out of the 5 uncleared. ill add them up by:
1)+3
2)+2
3)+1
and whoever gets the most points(suspected by the most people) will be who i will check.

afatchic · Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:19 pm

I don't really have a "case" against crazy. i just did process of elimination and case up with crazy as one of the scum. but beside that i've had a little scummy feeling from crazy most of the game. tomorrow after my last two finals i will try to put a case up against one of the three remaining possible scum in my mind.

afatchic · Post Post #595 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:11 pm

Mine:
1)Crazy
2)Bionnichop2
3)Xtoxm

Xtoxm-9(bio:2,Camn:3,OP:3, AFC:1)
Crazy-8(bio:1,Camn:2,OP:2, AFC:3)
Bionnichop2-4(Camn:1,OP:1, AFC:2)
Camn-3(bio:3)
Ortolan

Not voting: Xtoxm, Crazy, StrangerCoug, Ortolan, IcemanE

And I would like everyone, not just the clears, to vote on this. I don’t think two scum will be able to through the votes off too much without making it obvious. And it will give us more info tomorrow.

And yes I will be hiding tonight. I like taking chances and I wanna go for the win. So I will be hiding.

afatchic · Post Post #597 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:26 pm

camn wrote:This is the most Math-Driven mafia game I have ever played!

Haha, i know, gotta love it.

afatchic · Post Post #599 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:22 pm

Im gonna take scenario B.

afatchic · Post Post #601 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:38 pm

haha, i might can live with that. but i was kinda looking forward to a crazy lynch today. im gonna try and get a reread in tomorrow after my last final and ill go from there.

afatchic · Post Post #605 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:05 pm

If i don't hide, then i just die tonight. then the scum will continually kill a cleared each night. what i want to do is atleast narrow down the possible scum pool a little bit tonight. therefore, i hide behind an uncleared.

Xtoxm-12(bio:2,Camn:3,OP:3, AFC:1, Ortolan:3)
Crazy-10(bio:1,Camn:2,OP:2, AFC:3, Ortolan:2)
Bionnichop2-4(Camn:1,OP:1, AFC:2)
Camn-4(bio:3, Ortolan:1)
Ortolan

Not voting: Xtoxm, Crazy, StrangerCoug, IcemanE

afatchic · Post Post #611 (isolation #112) » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:15 am

ortolan wrote:
If i don't hide, then i just die tonight.
Um, no. Especially if the mafia expect you to hide they will not target you.

But now I think about it actually I'm not sure.

if you randomly choose someone you have a 2/9 chance of dying from hiding behind scum + a 1/6 chance of hiding behind someone who gets night-killed (assuming scum don't try to target you also, if they did then it would only be a 1/7 chance of hiding behind someone who gets night-killed assuming you hid behind someone at all). This is around a 39% chance of dying now I think about it, and if you didn't breadcrumb this would reveal nothing to us at all.

Instead if you choose from this list of five:

bio camn crazy ort xtoxm

which I assume will be a list of four after today's lynch, then you have a 1/2 chance of dying and outing scum in the process, and a 1/2 chance of getting night-killed along with the townie you hid behind. So actually I reckon there's a good argument for using your role as a suicide cop, considering we've got numbers on our side at the moment. Any comments, have I got my maths wrong?

yeah i have a 3/4 chance of dying tonight if i try to secretly hide and find the last person, which is why i won't do that. if we lynch town today, that leaves to mafia and two unclear town. so i would hide behind one of those four, 2 of which are mafia. so prior to the mafia kill, i have a 1/2 chance of dying. then adding in the mafia kill, i have a 3/4 chance of dying, which is why i won't secretly hide. right now im planning on just telling you who i will hide behind and then using my role as a suicide cop, or just telling you i won't hide, so then if i die you don't accuse someone you think i may hide behind. either way, tomorrow it should be obvious who the scum is if i die tonight.

afatchic · Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:30 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:
orangepenguin wrote:I think all the confirmed people should wait until all the unconfirmed people place their vote before we hammer.
I would recommend not putting xtoxm at L-1 until afatchic has stated who he will hide behind. He has a tendency to hammer himself regardless of alignment lately.

I didn't realize we were already this close to a lynch. I will be hiding behind Crazy tonight. Figured i would go ahead and announce it since my power cord for my laptop has broke so i may not be able to get on again before the lynch.

afatchic · Post Post #634 (isolation #114) » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:20 am

Happy birthday Jex!

I Honestly don't want the lynch of xtoxm today, since i have started getting a more town read on him. however if everyone is content on lynching him then i will hide behind crazy. if we can somehow lynch crazy then i will be hiding behind xtoxm.

afatchic · Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:34 am

well i see xtoxm and camn as more likely town, so i see crazy as more likely scum

afatchic · Post Post #643 (isolation #116) » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:34 pm

orangepenguin wrote:
ortolan wrote:There's no point voting Crazy if afatchic is going to kamikaze him tonight
Well, if we do lynch Crazy, he'd "kamikaze" Xtoxm.

^^^^^This ^^^^

afatchic · Post Post #646 (isolation #117) » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:22 pm

Unvote, vote Xtoxm

I wanted to hammer.

afatchic · Post Post #649 (isolation #118) » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:29 pm

Haha, im still happy because i got the hammer. i still feel bad about this lynch though. im predicting lynch seen: After Xtoxm willfully walks up to the rope, you search him to find he is merely a townie.

afatchic · Post Post #651 (isolation #119) » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:37 pm

ortolan wrote:I would FoS you for saying that if you weren't proven

Yeah i no, and i wouldn't have said it if i wasn't proven

afatchic · Post Post #653 (isolation #120) » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:56 pm

orangepenguin wrote:Ugh. This can't end well, can it?

what can't end well?

afatchic · Post Post #655 (isolation #121) » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:06 pm

orangepenguin wrote:Until the death scene is written, I am going to think the worst, and that we lynched town, even though I think xtoxm (besides Crazy) was the best choice for lynch.

having two mislynches, i think we won either way.

afatchic · Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:09 pm

Now i tend to disagree, i think if i hide behind crazy and die because she is mafia, then i just caught half the scum left. so im gonna try it.

afatchic · Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:43 pm

StrangerCoug wrote:
afatchic wrote:Now i tend to disagree, i think if i hide behind crazy and die because she is mafia, then i just caught half the scum left. so im gonna try it.
Crazy is male.

Oh, sorry Crazy.

afatchic · Post Post #668 (isolation #124) » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:40 pm

ortolan wrote:
7 people. 4 unconfirmed (bionic, camn, myself, and ortolan), 2 of which are scum. 3 lynches left in the game. Which means we just have to find one pro-town player in that group of four, which is not that hard. Personally, I'm not quite sure, I need a reread. But that won't be too hard to figure out.
Lol. So how do you know xtoxm isn't going to flip scum then?

The way i worked it out in my head, it works better if i hide.

So it takes a while for the sun to set in these parts.....

afatchic · Post Post #678 (isolation #125) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:45 pm

Well, for the mafia to let me get a clear would be dumb. so the only thing i can think of is that crazy is mafia and therefore that is the reason she was not killed last night. and one of the two that pointed out that i probably didn't hide is her partner. and no i didn't hide. but last night the mafia didn't know that, and if crazy is town, then they would have screwed up terrible to not kill her and try for the double kill. can anyone explain any other reason to me why crazy would not have been shot?

Vote Crazy

afatchic · Post Post #681 (isolation #126) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:26 pm

ortolan wrote:it is possible if the mafia was *really* intelligent they would have avoided killing Crazy as town just to avoid narrowing the field of uncleared (even though they'd get a double kill on you out of it also). I haven't thought about it properly to work out if doing this would even be to their benefit (in fact in this scenario, if Crazy was town, they must have known that if you hid behind him and didn't die, you would just clear him tomorrow anyway which would have the effect of narrowing the field anyway).

Logical conclusion: Crazy is definitely scum

Vote: Crazy

If crazy is town, and i was able to clear him, then it would be a guaranteed win for the town. there would be no way we could lose, which is why the scum would have had to go for the double kill.

afatchic · Post Post #684 (isolation #127) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:31 pm

Forgot how many we have, so that might have been the hammer, but if Crazy is scum, i will try to random hide who i think is town and try to clear one more tonight. however i won't be announcing this time.

afatchic · Post Post #686 (isolation #128) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:48 pm

@bio-why would you prefer i hide behind you?

Uncleared:
Bionicchop2
Camn
Ortolan

5 left. hopefully 1 scum vs. 4 townies. which leaves 1 mislynch.
or i can random visit tonight, and hopefully find townie, which leaves: 2 uncleared and 3 cleared, with a mislynch= win.

or we can decide who i should hide behind as a town, so its double kill either way. but if its a random kill plus my death then its going to be obvious who the last scum is.

or i can no hide, which results in my death tonight. and hopefully the town can pull it out.

afatchic · Post Post #688 (isolation #129) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:09 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:I said to hide behind me because it is better than hiding unannounced. I would vote for a no hide tonight.

how would that be better than an unannounced hide?

afatchic · Post Post #690 (isolation #130) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:19 pm

Unvote

i still think crazy is scum, but i don't want a lynch before everyone checks in.

afatchic · Post Post #693 (isolation #131) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:08 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:
afatchic wrote:
bionicchop2 wrote:I said to hide behind me because it is better than hiding unannounced. I would vote for a no hide tonight.
how would that be better than an unannounced hide?
If you die unannounced, we gain nothing and we don't get to have a mislynch. If you hide behind me and we both die, you eliminate a suspect.

I eliminate a suspect.... WHO WOULD THEN BE DEAD LOL.
now how does that seem helpful? we trade our mislynch in order to eliminate a suspect?

afatchic · Post Post #699 (isolation #132) » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:53 pm

Okay, heres the thing. Tonight, if crazy is scum, ill hide behind Ortolan. I don't like how he has been nearly cleared because of pointing out that TCS was watcher. while he may have just been really observant, scum would have been able to pick up on that quicker, and therefore point it out. and the scum really didn't lose much from him pointing that out as TCS was dead the next day regardless.
So
Crazy---->scum, hide behind Ortolan
Crazy---->town, not hiding.

how does that sound? flaws?

afatchic · Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:16 pm

Unless i am missing someone, Crazy is the only person who hasn't checked in. and there is really no point in trying to get a prod or replacement on him as he is going to be lynched anyways, so i say we just go ahead with it unless anyone has any objections.

afatchic · Post Post #713 (isolation #134) » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:57 pm

Yes ortolan is my final hiding choice. i don't like the idea of how cleared he is, even though what he did could have easily been done by scum and not hurt the scum much. i would rather it be camn and bio tomorrow and then everyone present your cases as compared to a possible quick lynch if Ortolan goes unchecked

afatchic · Post Post #715 (isolation #135) » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:27 pm

bionicchop2 wrote:Well, I will be V/LA all next week, so hopefully we don't have a tight deadline.

With christmas and new years a lot here i really doubt we will. Most likely won't be until sometime into the new year. However, we haven't really been needing a deadline lately so i don't know.

afatchic · Post Post #717 (isolation #136) » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:12 pm

Well this is an extremely long twilight.

afatchic · Post Post #725 (isolation #137) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:53 pm

HAHAHA, we win!!!!

VOTE Camn

afatchic · Post Post #726 (isolation #138) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:54 pm

BTW scum can just claim and make this go quicker. i won't be hiding tonight, so there is no way scum can win.

afatchic · Post Post #728 (isolation #139) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:07 pm

Camn well played. i had concerns day one about you, but was more worried about ortolan and bionic day 2.

afatchic · Post Post #729 (isolation #140) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:12 pm

Wow, whats funny is i almost hid behind SC that night for fun. lol. anyways, you claiming that you would take the lynch since you was VT, but that you would rather lynch an uncertain was nicely played, made me think more townie about you.

afatchic · Post Post #731 (isolation #141) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:20 pm

camn wrote:I think I could have used some less-lurker scumbuddies.

yeah that def. hurt you. i knew one of the major lurkers (xtoxm, crazy) was scum, and halfway through day 2 i was pretty sure it was crazy.

afatchic · Post Post #733 (isolation #142) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:27 pm

orangepenguin wrote:
vote: camm

it's not over yet.

now it is.

afatchic · Post Post #735 (isolation #143) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:37 pm

Yeah i thought this was a really enjoyable game. Probably one of the most enjoyable i have had on MS. i would love to play with everyone here again.

afatchic · Post Post #744 (isolation #144) » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:48 pm

camn wrote:Just a question, fatchic....

did you NOT hide these last 2 nights? or did you target someone?
I couldn't figure out which was more likely.
I think NOT hiding.

c

No one. i almost hid for a laugh, but decided not to.

And yeah it does seem one sided now...

But if hider hits scum night 1, or double kill night one, or hider plus watcher die night one. pretty much if watcher didn't find scum night 1 it wouldn't have ended this way.

Great game everyone!

afatchic · Post Post #748 (isolation #145) » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:36 am

Yeah it was a fun game, thanks for everyone playing and not bailing on the game, forcing us to get a bunch of replacements. Thanks for modding Jex!

afatchic · Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:27 pm

Xtoxm wrote:Also, I think Fat played very well in this game. I think your desicion not to hide on the last 2 nights was correct, and although frustrating for me, your pretending you would to otherwise to confuse scum was very good play. I assume this frustration is what gave away I was town to you. I comend you

Probably not reading this anymore...
but you was aggrevating me so bad about arguing your side with me! i knew your opinion was right, i just didn't want the scum to know. lol. i almost just came out and explained my entire idea. lol. you played good, if we would have had it my way we wouldn't have lynched you, but i knew we would win either way so it didn't matter.