TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Alisae]

LLD is there anything else you want from me?
Otherwise I am probably just gonna

can you make an innocent child role appear in this game so I can go on a rampage or just be certain about you?

In a more serious note, you say you're not locked into anything and I want you locked into something. Like it's obviously not practical for you to not be allowed to be flexible so... meeting half way.

I want 3 names of people who you are willing to kill today. GTH, when the clock starts to wind down towards deadline, people you are willing to kill. Whether it's compromise or enthusiastically.

I would mirror the sentiment! If you could be an IC that would be lovely!

Fuck, 3 names of people I want dead RIGHT NOW?
Fuck man, I would prefer not, part of the reason why is basically I want people to play and I feel like as time goes on things just get more clearer but like
3 people I would wanna kill right now?
ok uh

Staeg is my only real suspect so him ig
1 of you/mith ig would be informative.
and if they just don't post or obvscum marashu

[Alisae]

To want me to be an IC, you must think my range is incredible. I think I am going to cry

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i was not aware of that!

pedit: @lld

lmfao, you weren't?

Why do you think you were let to live so long? I had a couple days where I had full control of that town, and just pissed it away.

You returned as town to me, lack of experience with you maybe?

Just you give innocent vibes so I'm tyring not to just overcorrect to being suspicious of you all the time.

i was under the impression you had me as a possible/likely partner with joe, just wanted him first

ik we killed you bc you were getting a bit too close

i might be misremembering how close you were ig

oh by the endgame I had you there and was close, for certain.

But by that point it was too late I think. I save the game if I'm alive but that's not a luxury I had.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is there anything else you want from me?
Otherwise I am probably just gonna

can you make an innocent child role appear in this game so I can go on a rampage or just be certain about you?

In a more serious note, you say you're not locked into anything and I want you locked into something. Like it's obviously not practical for you to not be allowed to be flexible so... meeting half way.

I want 3 names of people who you are willing to kill today. GTH, when the clock starts to wind down towards deadline, people you are willing to kill. Whether it's compromise or enthusiastically.

I would mirror the sentiment! If you could be an IC that would be lovely!

Fuck, 3 names of people I want dead RIGHT NOW?
Fuck man, I would prefer not, part of the reason why is basically I want people to play and I feel like as time goes on things just get more clearer but like
3 people I would wanna kill right now?
ok uh

Staeg is my only real suspect so him ig
1 of you/mith ig would be informative.
and if they just don't post or obvscum marashu

I'm saying... if right now we had 20 minutes left for deadline and people were looking to you to make a choice on what wagon is going over

obviously not every wagon will be viable, right

but I want you to give me 3 names, nothing else just 3 names that if they were viable wagons with those 20 minutes left, you gotta vote or we no elim today

you would push out the airlock

[Bellaphant]

....I do agree with lld that you are ridiculously hard to read: you post takes that almost come from my brain and then suddenly do something Weasel-y and my voting finger gets twitchy

Just to slightly contradict what I just said, I'm not sure if scum are 'in control' of the thread - I think a lot of the people posting are town, which is why we feel a bit lost. But yeah, they coiodbe done better than rand in the draft and are sitting pretty and quiet waiting to elim a townie and get to the fun night actions

[Alisae]

ok my answer doesn't change and I would lean you over mith

[Alisae]

wait no sorry mith over you.
I would vote mith over you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

aight, i'mma chew on that Ali, I don't need anything else for now

[Alisae]

That said, I do feel more strongly about LLD-scum than anyone else at the moment. On the more recent postings:

I hate the whole "calling Alisae's bluff" thing; obvious incentive to go along with this if LLD is scum and Rad is town, not really all that risky if they are both scum, and feels like an overly extreme reaction to the mere suggestion of her in a group.

The interaction with Rad himself is... something. Asking "why top 4 specifically" is a perfectly legitimate question that was (as far as I can tell) never answered before this exchange. In a vacuum, the reaction is anti-town; I get the impression from others not blinking at this that LLD just bites people's heads off like this sometimes though?

This kind of posting...
It screams alarm bells to me due and makes my previous concern louder...

[Alisae]

I think my current scumread of LLD is more to do with the volume and attitude of the numbers discussion more than with disagreeing over her conclusion (I don't currently have any reason to think she doesn't believe what she's been pushing about the scum-in-triple probability). It completely flooded the early game in a way that doesn't strike me as productive for town, where I can see plenty of benefit for scum to try to push on a particular group of players (potentially stifling other D1 discussion; and the argument about it has certainly had the effect of stifling my willingness to read through everything). I particularly don't care for the start of the argument with Ythan.

Like reading this, it seems like you think LLD's actions are something that could come from a wolf but I feel like if you're a wolf, it's pretty easy to want to push a read like this and hang onto it.
You could also be a villager and this is a valid concern. This is something I'm thinking about as well but I hoping I can get a clearer answer as to what's going on if I just let the game develop and just let LLD do what she wants to do.

This is my biggest worry regarding mith

Like the same thing that came up here is coming up again...

[Alisae]

ok goodbye

[implosion]

Spoiler: long

Coming up with 100 words that all rhyme with each other is quite a challenge, but here is my best attempt:

Ace
Base
Case
Chase
Face
Grace
Space
Race
Trace
Lace
Mace
Place
Brace
Disgrace
Replace
Embrace
Enlace
Grimace
Misplace
Showcase
Staircase
Surface
Terrace
Thrace
Airspace
Anyplace
Backspace
Birthplace
Boardinghouse
Clubhouse
Courthouse
Doghouse
Farmhouse
Firehouse
Funhouse
Glasshouse
Greenhouse
Guesthouse
Hothouse
Lighthouse
Outpace
Outhouse
Playhouse
Poorhouse
Roundhouse
Safehouse
Schoolhouse
Warehouse
Beachhouse
Carouse
Blouse
House
Spouse
Browse
Bowse
Brows
Chows
Flows
Grouse
Hoes
Jows
Lows
Mows
Nous
Pows
Rouse
Sows
Thou's
Vows
Wows
Abuse
Amuse
Confuse
Defuse
Diffuse
Excuse
Infuse
Misuse
Profuse
Refuse
Reuse
Accuse
Bruise
Cruise
Choose
Excuse
Fuse
Muse
News
Shoes
Snooze
Views
Booze
Choose
Lose
Muse
News
Sues
Use
Abuse
As you can see, all of these words have the same ending sound, which is the "ace" sound pronounced like "ays". The only exception is the word "house" which has a slightly different sound, but it still rhymes with the other words.

Vote Count 1.7

Marashu (4): Lady Lambdadelta, Gimli, Staeg, Menalque
Lady Lambdadelta (2): Ythan, mith
Datisi (1): Bellaphant
Rad (1): Marashu
mith (1): imaginality
Bellaphant (1): Datisi

Not Voting (3): Cephrir, Rad, Alisae

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate.

Deadline is April 27 at 10:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2023-04-28 01:00:00).

[Ythan]

Hey LLD Xof would like to know what b'y means.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey LLD Xof would like to know what b'y means.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(Not joking, the video explains it pretty well, but more explciitly b'y is a newfoundland slang term used basically every day that is meant to refer to another person, so like...)

(have ye after picked up the chicken for dinner?

yes b'y, it's in the fridge)

[Ythan]

Thanks like I could have given some kind of answer but probably best for you to.

[Cephrir]

@LLD any reason you're super comfortable taking out #5 but definitely not one of the top 4?

There's an arbitrary cutoff line at some point. I think that around pick 5 your ability to say "I will pick this powerful ability and get it" diminishes a lot, and it doesn't tell that much.

Personally, I'd still prefer to kill a 6 today. It's not changed.

But this is... let's say this is me calling Alisae's bluff and being fully willing to followthough.

I guess my problem is your arbitrary cutoff point (agree, it's arbitrary) goes from DO NOT TOUCH THESE PLAYERS to FUCK THIS GUY instantly. I'd kinda expect a bit more of a slow drop off between #4 and #5 ya know? Like... "I really don't want to murder #5 just in case they're town and got a good PR but ehhhh if I must to prove a point..."

i think this doesn't bode well for the rad/lld team theory. i also just wholesale disagree with solving the whole team at once and feel we should spend our time more effectively

I think ceph's hands off approach in a game of loud voices reads as scum, where I think he'd be looking to plant a flag on me one way or another as town, even if he was wrong he'd be looking to influence it.

Gimli's posting has felt off, ilke off off. Even the interaciton I had wrt games we have played together recently Gimli has felt somewhat guarded and on edge and I sort of think that reads poorly.

Mith explained above

Staeg's takes on me are... I mean staeg is right and I don't like killing people who will generally kill me but I just don't have a townread on them and I'm not getting a townie intent like i otherwise might

Maru's low effort posting can be cured by more legitimate pressure that no one seems to want to put there. All the "low info elimination" talk concerns me a lot. They'd give info if they would prodcue reads or content, of which they do neither.

And yet no one seems to poke them about it.

And I think, Ali, if there's 0 scum in the 6s at this point with how people reacted against it... I'd be very very very shocked. I think it's maru over you and I don't want to try reading you today, but it remains my opinion at least one scum exists in the 6s and I have a strong Imaginality town read so you're in here as a default

this certainly takes the wind out of the sails of what i was planning to do when i finished catching up at the time i got to this post, which was something along the lines of

"this game is a giant sludge pile but i have something i feel not great about that might also help get me engaged so let's vote: lld"

their posts after this made me... mildly less excited about that direction as well

I think ceph's hands off approach in a game of loud voices reads as scum, where I think he'd be looking to plant a flag on me one way or another as town, even if he was wrong he'd be looking to influence it.

One of my goals during this day phase is to try to solve with Cephrir in real time. If he's stuck, I want to see if I can help him and see what happens as a result.

im pretty trash in real time/the "dance" is something i tend to avoid as either alignment because, maybe social anxiety? not sure but it fills me with dread. im willing to try though

Oh ya who the fuck are even Marashu's teammates.
Is rolling wolf with him so doomed that he just has to get bussed immediately? Wave did it in Cakez game.

I think I am the only player in the game that is ACTIVELY looking for innocence.

i think refusing to bus marashu at this point in time is a fool's errand

Re: recent LLD content - THIS IS ME CALLING YOUR BLUFF -> collaborative back and forth with Alisae feels off to me (specifically something around #866 being more jovial/pat-on-back-y than I'd expect) but beyond that nothing jumps out to me

i think i quoted this to ask you to try to clarify the thought process but

i dunno maybe i actually find myself agreeing with it now. that bluff seems thoroughly not called

hhhh

this is a weird post of double intent

You start by going meta around being like "oh LLD called what I wanted to do and also the post is accurate/good so i want to townread her" which is... mmm.

And end it with "bluff thoroughly not called" when the bluff was infact called. I said to Alisae, vote Rad if you're committing to pushing this plan, otherwise vote me and out that as your intent.

Alisae could have taken the bait, or taken my offer but instead e chose to back down completely and re-assess. If anything, I think I successfully called Ali's bluff that this whole "I have nine town reads so I'm PoEing this team" was not as good as e was pushing it to be, and that e wasn't willing to do Rad, which was interesting.

It also sort of became apparent that Ali was full of it in that sense when e started asking for my reads and then pulled a Ceph/Mith/someone forget who scumteam out of eir ass to fit our conversation.

So it's weird to me, this post. Because the thing that I would expect you would take issue with, my statement of you which was kind of surface level you're straight up copping to being true, but the thing I would expect you to agree with me on, given the literal outcome was specifically what my intent was, and Ali was given those 3 choices, and it was interesting to see what e chose... you're making this comment on.

Want to explain why you're feeling good about the top one and weird about the bottom one?

I think you're largely right that I want to be somewhere on you

I guess I misunderstood what calling the bluff meant then

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ye not a problem b'y

's a cultural language thing so it's sort of unique

it's like things like uhhh

we says "i'm some rotted" if i'm upset or angry or "he's some shook eh b'y" if we're saying someone else is upset

and then like, "oh she's some stunned" if we're calling someone daft and "get off it ye fucking skeet" if we're talking about a specific type of person in newfoundland who usually act all hard and try to bum smokes off ye

and phrases like "whattya at now b'y?" which just means "How are you?" and is usually responded to with "dis is it" or "nuddin"

oh and "who knit ye?" if you're asking someone who their parents are, which can be asked seriously if you think you know someone's family (happened on the island a lot) or sarcastically as in "who raised you to be so rude" like... "ah who knit ye you fuckin' skeet" like specifically it's "who raised you" more or less

oh and then there's like, "cookin' up a scoff" A scoff is a LOT of food, a meal enjoyed together.

Oh and "stays where your at till i gets where you're too" just means "stay there until I reach you".

god there's a lot of newfieisms, we're our own language, and yes b'y /b'y is just one of them.

though honestly, if you're a woman you get called "me love" "me duckie" "dearie" just as well, depending on who is talking to ye and how old they is

but like, b'y is gender neutral, despite probably meaning "boy" as a contraction

we calls everyone b'y. even sometimes we says it when we're not talking about people

like, calling the cat over for their food when you filled the dish?

"Cat b'y! Cat b'y! get your arse over here you lazy shagger, fucking cat b'y"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i tries to tone it down for people so they can understand me like

but 's not always simple innit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

welcome to the rock b'ys, any mummers 'loud in?

[Datisi]

and here i was thinking it was just a shorter way to say baby

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and here i was thinking it was just a shorter way to say baby

no b'y ahhaha

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't know how this became late night newfie chattin' b'ys but it's fuckin' best kind

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh right, we says "best kind" too but that one's kind of obvious what it means

best kind's just like, "good" but it can be modified?

like if you says someone is best kind, you mean they're good people

if you says something is best kind, you mean you enjoy it

if you says something you're doing is best kind, you mean it's fun and others might enjoy it

like uh...

"oh fuck yeah bud, escape rooms are fuckin' best kind b'y"

or uh

"poppin' out for a feed of Ches'? sure thing b'y, pick me up a 2 piece with dressing. you're fuckin' best kind b'y"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

god some of these need more explination

uhhh

the use of the word After before things means something has already happened

like you walk into the house and it's in a right state after the b'ys been drinking all night and it's all tore up and you asks

"fucks sakes b'ys, what's after happenin' now?"

and that just means "what did you do?"

"popping out for a feed/getting a feed of X" means you're going to get some food of that type

Ches' is a local fish and chips shot that's best kind

with dressing means we put turkey dressing and gravy on our chips

... this could go on for a while actually