In post 2116, Pink Ball wrote:
I can give you one thing: Black chimed in and didn’t change her vote on Drixx which at this point is doing nothing.
Seems like she met with Imagine Dragons’ bootleg version: Avoiding Wagons
I haven't really read the last 15 or so pages, just small skim here and there. I don't usually vote when I'm not caught up. Who do you want me to wagon though?
I've had a busy day and I'm not here much on weekends but I'll digest the recent events tomorrow
I had a thought earlier. Shea's frustration over not having any scumreads felt genuine and that seemed to naturally lead to him poking GiF and kuribo. It felt like he felt scum was evading him or something. I'm leaning town on Shea I think but that's without being fully caught up. I saw some stuff with Klick in there but I read it while I was at the mall I want to look through
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 2118, Firebringer wrote:
Part of me think Frozen angel should be hard townreading Klick for how Klick didn't do anything in Demons Mafia. But another part of me thinks maybe im just thinking too superficially on Klick scum game and FA thinks more highly. The way FA has put reads on klick feels a bit off to me given she modded that game. Saw the scum chat, saw how Klick was just not interested in it. Then comes to this game and doesn't point it out or mention it?
Feels a bit strange. But hey i never pointed out demon slayer meta explanation either. So there could be reasons this never crossed her mind or she thought not to mention it.
klick didn't do "anything" in that game to the point that klickwork was basically alisae only.
so why would I assume something based on a game he didn't play at all?
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 2132, Frozen Angel wrote:
like there wasnt a single klickwork post in that game made by klick nor he posted anything substantial in sucm chat. the slot was alisae only.
are you trying to say klick abanden games completely when randing scum with a pattern?
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
I can see ways for masons to work in a setup like this. explains why kuribo was angry about being forced to claim in that fashion when he wasn't even a wagon.
and I trust it completely cause I think kuribo is town anyway.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 2131, Frozen Angel wrote:
klick didn't do "anything" in that game to the point that klickwork was basically alisae only.
so why would I assume something based on a game he didn't play at all?
because clearly from that i would take that as an example of klick not feeling comfortable as scum.....
Not playing a game in its entirety can just mean they were busy or something irl came up or whatever. that's how I had that flagged in my mind anyway. its not like they were playing and being uncomfortable (showing that) for me to make a link like that.
but that's good to know about klick
do you think scum!klick is capable of making a 180 on reads to associate with a wagon in general os is more conservative and careful in nature?
In post 2045, Dunnstral wrote:
I've been holding off on voting DragonEater because I didn't want him to feel pressured after just coming back from a v/la and wanted him to have time to respond to stuff. But I feel that he's not really interested in doing that and I think this makes them more likely to be mafia.
Specifically I am thinking about way back when FA asked DragonEater to explain why they agreed with Klick's suspicion on FA in their own words. And then I asked them that again when they came back and FA linked them to their own questions but he never acknowledged me or answered FA.
VOTE: DragonEater
This btw. I'm feeling I'm being outright ignored at this point. He came back to thread I almost instantly linked to my case on him. he asked link me to case before leaving the game for night. I did so again in morning and he is vanished still.
Like he was online at same time as me when I asked the question and linked to my case when he came back.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 1507, DragonEater70 wrote:
Actually there's 40 new pages and it's a bit much, so I am going to just read the last 3 pages for now, then look at anything interesting that picks my interest.
can you read this post in particular and respond to my scum read on you when you have time
In post 1618, Frozen Angel wrote:
I saw PBs large wall on dragoneater but I had migraine all day today, so I'll check that and DE's response to stuff tomorrow.
I think DEr ignored me asking him to react to my case on him which I hope he fixes by the time I go back to game tomorrow
night all
In post 1890, Frozen Angel wrote:
I had become so busy irl today that I didn't have time for anything but I skimmed the game
@dragon eater the post is this I also linked to it last night but you ignored me completely in between conversing with others
Spoiler: the post
In post 1137, Frozen Angel wrote:
Alright, you're about to see a bunch of long wall posts as I will iso-hunt different slots of this game. so far I've been basically skimming the game/even my catch up as this is the first day I actually have time to do some surgery in game. Regardless I'm gonna start with the slot that stood out most to me on the skim. so if you don't like wall posts skip to the ---- part at end of each post where I explain my general impression on each slot.
In post 29, DragonEater70 wrote:
VOTE: Firebringer
I really don't enjoy their entrance and I dare say it's possibly scummy.
This is the first notable read made by slot. Need to note it down.
In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote:
Wait is this going to be the first game where I am being consensus townread on page 2?
Rather than consensus scumread on that page, that is.
This self awareness is actually not fitting with what I remember of dragon eater form the game I modded and they played it or the other games I saw them in previously. In the other game they even had a guilty and were not safe aware about how and when to drop it in thread. They didn't "care" as much about how they were perceived by other slots is what I feel. so this as his first posts in this game, feels so different personality-wise.
In post 275, DragonEater70 wrote:
Guys I re-read FB vs Dunn and honestly I've been scumreading both, but now I want to individually TR each one of them for making a good push on a scummy slot.
I'm honestly confused.
Going for dun as his questions were not hitting anything - makes sense as a read but his way of backing off from that is him trying to stay in a safe position with both slots he had been uncomfortable with. Not neccessirly distancing scum, can be distancing town but its definitely distancing, as if he would want the slots sorted he would probably ask questions of each or try and engage with each/iso read their past posts, make actual assessments about each individual - instead of just saying they both are scum read of his but he town read them for going after each other at same time.
In post 346, DragonEater70 wrote:
Also on rethinking of the Dunn v FB, I think that Dunn's vote was justified. On the other hand, FB's scumcase is based on something that IS scummy on Dunn's part, but could easily be pushed by scum and therefore doesn't warrant a TR on FB.
Therefore I am no longer TRing FB for pushing Dunn, and am gonna probably vote FB (after I finish the catchup).
For noe though I'll UNVOTE:
again distancing. his two scum read changed to two town read but "those two town read are actually right about what they found scummy on other slot" this is not really being an assertive mindset. Its just going with both flows.
In post 29, DragonEater70 wrote:
VOTE: Firebringer
I really don't enjoy their entrance and I dare say it's possibly scummy.
why?
Their roleplay was triggering my PTSD from scum-spam in your Demon Hunter game. It felt like unnecessarily drawn out fluff that didn't help us get out of RVS and that was actually hindering us from having a readable thread.
Where did FB do RP in the other game. They posted lot of fluff and open wolfed but never saw them RP there? I think this justifies the first read dropped though in a sense, if its gut based and based on the exp of demon slayer game (not trusting FB fluffing in general) so consistency points for this
In post 361, Frozen Angel wrote:
oh and I think there is a good chance FB dun was tvt and feysel freaked when FB called out its possibility and went after feysel instead somewhere in those pages.
I actually agree with you on it possibly being tvt
full back off on the they might be right about each other, appealing to me making this read
In post 480, DragonEater70 wrote:
Okay I just read through Klick's ISO, and initially it felt a bit weird:
It is kinda weird that Klick gave like 4 townreads with minimal explanation and no scumreads. It feels very easy to fake, I guess. And none of their posts really stood out for me at the start.
But then I continued reading and I saw those posts, which have a genuine town mindset IMO:
In post 29, DragonEater70 wrote:
VOTE: Firebringer
I really don't enjoy their entrance and I dare say it's possibly scummy.
You're probably town!
super why?
This doesn't feel at all like the desired opening play for scum
In post 437, Klick wrote:
I've played like 3ish games in a row with Titus where she has been scum and in this game I'm getting a zeal from her that I haven't felt in other games. I think she's engaged her town solving brain in a way that she wasn't quite there for in the last few games I've been in with her.
It could be Team Mafia making her tryhard even if she's scum but I'm enjoying her content so far regardless and am fine to boost what she's currently doing for the thread.
In post 432, Klick wrote:
From where I'm at right now FA feels very similar to Cosmos where she was scum though
Go on please.
It's not a very strongly formed thought
But the basic idea is that in Cosmos I felt like FA's approach was largely to question other people's takes as a means to develop her own view of the game and make it look genuine
It's different from a town approach in terms of motive for posting; the whole point of what FA was doing in Cosmos felt like it was to look town through having considered and nuanced takes that were developed by sort of hijacking other players' genuine thoughts and critiquing them
And here it feels very similar, I feel like almost everything FA has done has been a critique of another original perspective with only a couple of reads originating from something she has brought up herself
It all fits under this umbrella idea of 'I think FA wants to look town right now rather than actually doing town things'
In post 331, Klick wrote:
Because people like you aren't going to like it!
why do you think I disliked it? I just noted its existence. it doesn't give me any kind of info either way. that's why asked about what was behind the post in his thought process
I actually have more read on your tr on it than I have on the original read itself. (leaning toward the dislike category)
pedit: his going after blue for the titus thingy was what I called try harding on page 2 IMO I don't care about his rp
It's high-detail, specifically contradicts assumptions I made about her perspective, and develops what appears to be a nuanced take on both myself and DragonEater without doing the heavy lifting. I remember her doing something that made me feel very similar to this in Cosmos. Let me go find it
I'd like to quote that post but I can't quite make it happen, idk whether I just am not able to quote from locked threads at all or if it's a mobile-specific issue
It's not an exact match to what I'm describing here, but basically I made an assumption based on VCA, and FA used it as a means of discrediting what I was saying while developing her own read on me as well as the situation without adding much genuine original thought outside of detailed analysis of my own thought.
The same sort of thing happened in her early-game argument with STD, in their conversation about 'shading'. This is probably a better example of it, it happened in like the first 10ish pages of that game.
341 feels similar. Lots of critical thought in a very focused way towards specific details of Feysal's 97. She gives the appearance of a nuanced perspective but it's limited to what she could derive from 97 itself, and I think the projection of nuance could be intentional.
I actually fairly like FA's last two posts as counterexamples of this - they contain clear general conclusions based on the things she's been talking about. The add-on in 361 a minute and a half later feels kind of like legitimate thought. But I want more of that from her.
So I am actually going to say Klick is a townlean of mine (and I was also convinced by their case that FA is scummy here).
"these posts come from a town mind set" is not assertive either. its appealing. (though klick is really hunting stuff/being assertive in those posts so I agree with the read).
But the second line is not something he should have said on klick read. klick posted a meta read on those posts he himself had doubts on, the meta read he posted is really focused on a behavior than anything else and he didn't try to assert if meta read is sufficient or correct on that channel and he doesn't have any kind of vision about how I play scum like klick does = hence I think its just a try for appeal to klick in this post than a real scum read.
hence why i asked him to explain klicks case in his own words at the time, which he ghosted on that request so far.
In post 482, DragonEater70 wrote:
Also Klick, your readlist is so interesting to me. Why am I in first place? And why is GiF so low?
why so self-conscious? Dragon eater is not searching and being assertive, he is just going with the flow and being self councious
In post 381, kuribo wrote:
Ugh god I really don't like dragon's response there
vote: Dragon
Not to reiterate the things that Shea just said, but I do agree with him on this. You never once questioned four people calling you town seemingly with no good reason. And then calling yourself limbait, ehhhhhhh
Just feels like a way to preliminary poo-poo a wagon on you
Read my completed games - I've been called limbait several times on D1, different games.
This just doesn't make sense as a response. he didnt ask if people calling yourself limbait is a typical thing or even you being a limbait is a typical thing. he is saying you're not questioning people town reading you to assert them. (intrestingly you just did question one close to this post - so it seems you read this issue with your playing style and went and tried to remedy that before even responding to this post). and you not trying to assert people who town read you, means your self awareness is not for sorting people who make reads about you and its just for your positioning in game - which is more fitting for a scum mind set.
You being a limbait usually is completely irrelivent
In post 497, DragonEater70 wrote:
@Feysal, I read your case on FB and I agree that their push on Dunn is scummy. VOTE: Firebringer
After going with my read on FB dunn, he went with another appealing over assertion and went with feysel case on FB and went back to voting FB
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Dragon eater is scummy. He is just not solving. He is incredibly self aware but not the type who want to assert why people have reads on him/just about people having reads on him - he is flip flopping on FB dun case with every read others make - he is appealing to "hotter" cases people post without asserting the cases. = he wants to have reads more than he wants to find the reads = he is probably informed and is just working on his own position in game than solving.
lets please have more votes on dragoneater.
but I'm waiting patiently for you to actually address my case on you
I'm actually offended if the reason Klick abandoned the game is because of what he randed. I know in a hydra one head is allowed to be dominant and the other does less work, maybe that's how they wanted the hydra to work,
but regardless of playing solo or in a hydra no one is allowed to abandon the game in its entirety for what they randed. Thats so against the spirit of the game and extremely lame
In post 2131, Frozen Angel wrote:
klick didn't do "anything" in that game to the point that klickwork was basically alisae only.
so why would I assume something based on a game he didn't play at all?
because clearly from that i would take that as an example of klick not feeling comfortable as scum.....
Not playing a game in its entirety can just mean they were busy or something irl came up or whatever. that's how I had that flagged in my mind anyway. its not like they were playing and being uncomfortable (showing that) for me to make a link like that.
but that's good to know about klick
do you think scum!klick is capable of making a 180 on reads to associate with a wagon in general os is more conservative and careful in nature?
Did you not follow our scum discord chat at all? Like it's not like I made zero contributions, I was really clear in that chat that in the later stages of the game I wasn't posting because I was afraid of screwing everything up and dislike being scum.
In post 2142, Frozen Angel wrote:
I'm actually offended if the reason Klick abandoned the game is because of what he randed. I know in a hydra one head is allowed to be dominant and the other does less work, maybe that's how they wanted the hydra to work,
but regardless of playing solo or in a hydra no one is allowed to abandon the game in its entirety for what they randed. Thats so against the spirit of the game and extremely lame
As discussed in the scum discord of that game, I was on V/LA for a few days when the game started, and in that time my scumteam literally progressed the game to D3 with a full-on plan. I planned on posting at some point but couldn't muster it up because I was afraid of screwing up the very strong scum game my partners were all playing.
In post 2130, Firebringer wrote:
I would like you to sell me on Frozen Angel in that top tier.
My real-time interaction with her felt genuine and towny
I think in 1276 in particular she quickly and comfortably explained her perception of the difference between her as town and her as scum in a way that made me believe she thought was on the town side, and it fit with her description
She also managed to answer that effectively WHILE ALSO making it clear that what she actually cared about in that conversation was continuing to question my characterisation of her reads as soulless
Like I think she was motivated mostly by calling that out. Meaning there was less opportunity for her focus to be on giving me an answer I'd 'like' to hear to my question
In post 2131, Frozen Angel wrote:
klick didn't do "anything" in that game to the point that klickwork was basically alisae only.
so why would I assume something based on a game he didn't play at all?
because clearly from that i would take that as an example of klick not feeling comfortable as scum.....
Not playing a game in its entirety can just mean they were busy or something irl came up or whatever. that's how I had that flagged in my mind anyway. its not like they were playing and being uncomfortable (showing that) for me to make a link like that.
but that's good to know about klick
do you think scum!klick is capable of making a 180 on reads to associate with a wagon in general os is more conservative and careful in nature?
Did you not follow our scum discord chat at all? Like it's not like I made zero contributions, I was really clear in that chat that in the later stages of the game I wasn't posting because I was afraid of screwing everything up and dislike being scum.
I was reading yes. I remember Alisae asking you every night to join, but days were ending so fast that you didn't have time to drop any comments in the game. and then on later nights contributing with setup spec a bit to scum discussions. and that at that point you were hesitant to post at all cause you were not in the game at all till that point.
please don't tell me you consider that, playing the game.
So in my head, it was like you were distant from the game in day phases cause of some issues or whatever and not necessarily cause you were the nervous cause of scum, but you were following and sharing some insights about claims in scum chat and even talked about playing on last day that it didn't happen.
Honestly though, and I'll be blunt that I think you asking this like you were also expecting me to town read you here cause you abandoned my game when you were scum is an insult by yourself to your own gameplay regardless of your alignment here. and if my impression is wrong nad you were not expecting that, then whatever.
pedit yeah vla, days ending fast and discussing setup and nothing else in scum chat. so I said you abandened the game. Its fine cause it was a hydra slot. But I wont meta that cause I respect people and I never assume people do that for alignments. Which I think was the case with you as well.
I don't think you should assume I'd play exactly like that as scum
I do think it is part of a larger observable pattern of behaviour that confirms the fact that I have very low confidence as scum and have not shown to be very good at it in the last few years
I used Alisae as a crutch in that game and I feel kinda bad about it
But me being absent in that game is down to a few factors
Being scum was one of them and if I were town I most likely would have gotten back into the game after V/LA. But also the game would have been very different because Alisae was like the main scum presence.
