Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[kuribo]

This argument isn't helping and it's the second time you've made it.

And it actually pisses me off because it's condescending as fuck so I'm telling you knock it off.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Don't be condescending as fuck to me if you don't want it returned.

Says the scum

[Pink Ball]

No hammers until we know the plan is or isn’t going through and why

[kuribo]

pLaY sTuPiD gAmES

Buddy you already rolled that dice when you got my attention

Your prize is a one fucking way ticket to hell

[Klick]

are people arguing that Titus could be a Jailkeepr scum role and that she also rolled an amnesiac JK role. Cause i feel thats less likely than if she is scum she just has the jailkeepr role and pretending its amnesiac

but i want to stop with mech

Ping
I want you/your team involved in this conversation in some form

[Klick]

pLaY sTuPiD gAmES

Buddy you already rolled that dice when you got my attention

Your prize is a one fucking way ticket to hell

If it means not having to deal with town players intentionally pissing me off then I'll take it

[kuribo]

VOTE:

pLaY sTuPiD gAmES

Buddy you already rolled that dice when you got my attention

Your prize is a one fucking way ticket to hell

If it means not having to deal with town players intentionally pissing me off then I'll take it

Better than my position where scum players are intentionally pissing me off

[kuribo]

Where the fuck did that vote tag come from

[Klick]

That happened to me earlier with an unvote lol

[kuribo]

Accidentally vote your buddy did you

[kuribo]

Alright lemme go finish putting these patients in bed

[Klick]

@3602

Post 1: No Conclusion. Hedge. No effort to solve which way.

Why do town post conclusions and not scum

Post 2: 3605 is a case. I'll give you that. But where is the effort to go through why GiF ignored him supposedly. Where is Dunn's follow through? Just posts a case and no analysis. He just backs off.

Why do town actively assert their opinions and not scum

[T-Bone]

Spoiler: Scene 18

The Movie

The Detective, The Librarian, and The Writer gathered in The Writer's room. They had just received a cryptic message from an unknown sender, hinting at crucial information about The Voice's plan.

The Writer had pulled up the message on his computer and was trying to decipher it while the Detective and The Librarian looked over his shoulder.

"What do you think this could mean?" The Writer asked, pointing to a particular line in the message.

"It's hard to say," The Librarian said, rubbing her chin. "But it definitely sounds like a clue."

The Detective, who had been pacing back and forth, stopped suddenly. "Wait a minute. This might be a reference to an old case I worked on."

He pulled out a file from his bag and quickly flipped through the pages. "Yes, here it is. The handwriting in this message matches the handwriting in the notes from that case."

The Librarian and The Writer exchanged a puzzled look.

"What case?" The Writer asked.

"It was a case involving a notorious criminal organization," The Detective said, flipping through the pages. "They were involved in all sorts of illegal activities, but we were never able to pin anything on them."

The Librarian leaned in closer. "Do you think this could be related to The Voice?"

"It's possible," The Detective said, looking up at them. "If we can track down any leads from that old case, it could give us a new angle on The Voice's plan."

The Writer nodded. "Let's do it. We need to find out what The Voice is up to before it's too late."

As they gathered their things and headed out the door, The Voice watched from afar, his plans for the city slowly coming to fruition.

Vote Count

Klick - 4

(Ircher, Titus, Thestatusquo, Black)

Titus - 4

(Drixx, Klick, Dunnstral, GuyInFreezer)

Thestatusquo - 1

(Firebringer)

Not Voting - 4

(Frozen Angel, Kuribo, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons)

With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate

Activity Check:

All good!

Deadline: (expired on 2023-05-05 21:00:00)

[Firebringer]

What the hell is going on

[Firebringer]

Alisae wants everyone to explain their klick scumread

Also 4273 is very townie post

[kuribo]

Alisae wants everyone to explain their klick scumread

Also 4273 is very townie post

Can't speak for others but for me it's mostly stubbornness

[kuribo]

Hmmm I actually like klick's responses to me the last couple pages the more I think about them

I mean, they annoy me but I mean like then from a game perspective

Ok new plan, it's time to shake up my reads, I'm gonna go home, sleep like three hours, go back to work for another 16 hour shift, hopefully nobody spits in my face again, then once my brain is nice and smooth like a chicken breast I'll be better able to sort this game State

[Klick]

hopefully nobody spits in my face again,

Something our jobs have in common

I appreciate the re-think. Willing to chat through reads if that's something that would help.

[Klick]

Bella still agrees that Titus is just scum
And Bella is always right

[Klick]

4262 - I can't believe you just said that. Hollow posting is literally what scum do. To say it's not scum indicative is baffling.

So in a past game (Not Quite Normal Multiball 2) I asked Titus (Nashville Dreams) what she had done in the game that she wouldn't do as scum. She gave me this answer.

As for 11692, I don't feel I have a townrange or a scumrange. It's more about my relationships. So I'm not going to pretend there's a magical towntell for reading me.

Important disclaimer: Titus was scum in that game, and so had incentive to lie about her answer. But I think it was a true statement and reflects what she actually feels about her own scum game vs her town game. Titus can feel free to correct me if that's wrong.

What I don't understand is how Titus can be of a mindset that 'scum make hollow posts', when she is aware that's not the case

based on her own approach to playing as scum.

Is she saying that players that

aren't her

make hollow posts? She seems to be positing that scum *by nature* make hollow posts. Why is she the exception to that rule?

My interpretation is that the 'scum make hollow posts' thing is nonsense being used to justify pushing through her agenda (the 'I can't believe you just said that' is there to discredit the idea that what she's saying could be anything but common sense).

A more charitable interpretation is that she just has a very inflated opinion of her own scum game and thinks everyone else makes hollow posts but she doesn't.

I'd like to hear if anyone has thoughts on this

[kuribo]

I think that making "hollow" posts as scum (or town) is largely a play style issue

[Firebringer]

I am going to have to scum case shea.
I can see the amount of effort im gonna need to do on this.

[Ircher]

Anyway, going to sleep on this. Thanks for engaging with me on it, I feel like this was productive.

The whole Klick / Dunnstral interaction over the past page reads as SvS.

How do I come out of that interaction looking like mafia?

The whole exchange came across as not authentic. Klick is pressing you to explain why you are town (which is rather pointless because most people are going to profess their innocence and manipulate their play in a way that this isn't going to help much.) You then at first refuse but ultimately relent, and the way you executed that comes out as pretty staged. I do think you come out looking better than Klick through the whole interaction, but it still really feels staged and unnatural like two scum buddings distancing from each other but then finding a way to magically town read each other. (Okay, Klick is the one who gets the magical town read on you; I don't think you said whether you town read Klick or not after the exchange, but that's beside the point.)

[Ircher]

im here for the next half hour.

what order we claiming last role cause i feel like just claiming.

I didn't even act last night.

Not only do I know from mechanics that ircher is town, I got Romeo today. I was Juliet on day one, meaning I got the role ircher had yesterday. Ircher is 100% confirmed town to me. Even beyond a mechanical level.

How is ircher conf town to u just because he was a lover.

I feel like this is dumb from a mechanics standpoint and ur not dumb so explain how im the idiot

Scum get amnesiac role PMs

Scum do not get the actual roles.

I literally don't understand this portion.
I am probably too stupid.

So basic summary is ur saying Ircher had a role pm that scum wouldn't or couldn't see. They would just get a lover role pm but wouldn't get a PT because scum don't get that portion.

Nope still not making sense. Need my expert Jingle to explain it to me.

The Mafia Team will be assigned Amnesiac Roles in the same random manner, though the roles will not be granted to them.

So wait all the scum in this game are basically Goons with "safe claims" not really safe cause

they can't use the roles.

Going to point this out as it looks like they didn't understand the setup. But I'm also going to point out that I asked them if they read the setup in my very first post this game in post 53, and that in post 98 they make a comment about the setup and say town should mass claim and that Alisae had looked over the setup.

-town points for spelling Mississippi wrong

Wish I could blame it on chatgpt but i wrote it all myself.

I am going to intermittently continue the scene because i didn't get the role pm i wanted and i am going to have to fun somehow

What does this mean? Did you read the setup?

Okay so I don't see the purpose in this question at all. The idea here i guess from Dunnstral is

he thinks I didn't read the setup

, I don't know what this tells a town or scum dunnstral if I did or didn't.

I have not read setups beforea s both alignments.

Couldn't Firebringer read the setup but not understand the implications? This doesn't seem that contradictory.

[Ircher]

I didn't even act last night.

ohh and also the two people i target are informed they are visited by an arbiter when i visit

btw my claim for last night is no action.
didn't see the point in using my role.

FB 3447 caught my attention. The first time you said you didn't act I thought you could be doing something to avoid giving too much information about your role, but then you posted your role and you said again that you didn't use it. I'm quoting specifically the part that says that your targets would be informed they were visited because I don't understand why would you NOT use this power if it could get you conftowned (as if, someone would confirm that you successfully used an amnesiac role)

woah

I would like more people to talk about this.

This is completely expected from FB, and I think NAI. I cannot recall a time where I saw FB trying to work mech advantage in a game. In fact, my brain says that FB, as town, has actively worked against me and Cerb when we were mechanically breaking a game. A couple times.

And Alisae? As I pointed out, they apparently read the setup.

Oh that's a good point. Hmm....

[Ircher]

cause if im scum the way to go wouldl be claiming VT as someone else said.

Or claim vt
Or something that doesn't have an action to submit
Or like anything that isn't actively bad-looking

If there's a rolecop then this plan falls apart. Or if there are a set number of VT's or something

I think at some point you have to take a risk that you get hosed by something unexpected. I don't find this argument particularly compelling given the designer and reviewers of this setup.