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Post Post #88 (isolation #0) » Wed May 24, 2023 10:22 am

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Good morning!

VOTE: GrandpaMo
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Post Post #112 (isolation #1) » Thu May 25, 2023 12:05 am

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In post 13, biancospino wrote:
In post 10, demona wrote:
? yes scums are likely more informed about the mechanics i agree i have played a few bastard games before and moderated others but uh, town also motivated to figure out the mechanics, or at least, this town
Mech spec is good and all, but how do you suggest we should go on about figuring the mechs on page 1? There is nothing to go on about, so any guess rn will be either garbage; or informed by one's pm, which we shouldn't incentive to be outed just because
I agree with this sentiment, but scumreading
demona
for wanting to discuss the mechanics seems really far-fetched.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #2) » Thu May 25, 2023 12:10 am

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In post 34, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 32, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 31, GrandpaMo wrote: eh everyone pivot off demona they are handeling the pressure very well more than i expected

time TO PIVOT TO VOTE: imaginality FOR TOWNREADING ME DAY 1 THATS SCUM AF GOGOGOGOGO
Grandpa doesn't want to be recruited apparently.

And Demona, you phished for info....that is scummy behavior.

And I would argue that getting super defensive off of one vote on page 1 is not handling pressure well.....not to mention the ate.
ngl drew, demona reminds me of me when im town lol .
they might be new
and them defending a vote and u pushing them is obviously going to get them to be defensive. think about it from their perspective, u vote them, they question ur vote and then they just joke and play around then 3 people like question them the same thing. this jsut looks like newb!town defense. ik they might be doing this as scum but i highly doubt it especially if they are a newer person.
demona
is an alt of shiki, she is far from new. She even mentioned it in this game in .
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Post Post #114 (isolation #3) » Thu May 25, 2023 12:12 am

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In post 56, Phir wrote: Doctor Drew feel way too aggressive too me. Maybe the type of aggression scum would fake. Grandstanding while pushing on minutae to keep a wagon perpetually viable.
Is this a meta read?
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Post Post #117 (isolation #4) » Thu May 25, 2023 12:22 am

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In post 90, imaginality wrote: @Greeting is your GrandpaMo vote RVS or is there a reason for it?
At the time of casting it was an RVS vote, but I think I’m happy keeping it post-RVS as well.

He hasn't been reading the game thread carefully as shown by him not knowing that
demona
is not a new player. ()

And made a very weird soft-claim about a post restriction, which, quite frankly, sounds made up.
In post 38, GrandpaMo wrote: also i do have like a post restriction. i wont out yet what it is
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Post Post #120 (isolation #5) » Thu May 25, 2023 12:26 am

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In post 115, Phir wrote:
In post 114, Greeting wrote:
In post 56, Phir wrote: Doctor Drew feel way too aggressive too me. Maybe the type of aggression scum would fake. Grandstanding while pushing on minutae to keep a wagon perpetually viable.
Is this a meta read?
Never.
I asked, because I had the exact same thought, except for me it is a meta read. Well, a weak meta read, as I only played one game with him. His playstyle struck me as noticeably different to Micro 1076 and this heavy fixation on
demona
at the start felt really bizarre.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #6) » Thu May 25, 2023 12:28 am

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Why is everybody voting for
biancospino
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Post Post #149 (isolation #7) » Thu May 25, 2023 2:36 am

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In post 142, Meuh wrote:
In post 136, demona wrote:
In post 134, demona wrote: because, well, towns do sometimes make things up

and based on my limited interactions, grandpamo does seem more like than some, or maybe even most to make up a post restriction as town to me

of course not as likely as, say, hectic

but more likely than most yeah
Meh I guess so
But like faking a post restriction there if townie seems like it has 0 upside and plenty of potential backlash
it's just an anti-town action to take and I don't have much benefit of the doubt over it
THough I guess townies do dumb anti-town things all the time regardless, this would just be particularly egregious
Either way I'm not used to playing with anyone having a post restriction. With it being a restriction, there isn't much we can really do to confirm it regardless, right? guess it's a moot point
I actually have two issues with that claim. The first one is what I had said before - it sounds made up.

The second one is the claim itself. What is the purpose of claiming this, and on top of that claiming it so early in Day 1? It is not verifiable and ultimately leaves more questions than answers.
In post 136, demona wrote: and based on my limited interactions, grandpamo does seem more like than some, or maybe even most to make up a post restriction as town to me

of course not as likely as, say, hectic

but more likely than most yeah
I agree with this too. I have just one game of experience with
GrandpaMo
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Post Post #150 (isolation #8) » Thu May 25, 2023 2:38 am

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In post 148, biancospino wrote: Eh, it's just the kind of aggression I'd expect from Drew
Why?
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Post Post #251 (isolation #9) » Fri May 26, 2023 2:33 am

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In post 244, WhemeStar wrote: I think grandpa is town
Why?
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Post Post #253 (isolation #10) » Fri May 26, 2023 2:37 am

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Hey,
Cat Scratch Fever
, what's your read on
biancospino
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Post Post #260 (isolation #11) » Fri May 26, 2023 2:49 am

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In post 255, demona wrote:
In post 254, demona wrote:
In post 251, Greeting wrote:
In post 244, WhemeStar wrote: I think grandpa is town
Why?

what do you (greeting) think grandpamo means when he says that i am town but also an inconvenience?

In post 207, GrandpaMo wrote: demona is town but they are starting to be an inconvenience.

like in what way do you think grandpamo finds me to be an inconvenience here? or how might i be inconveniencing grandpamo?

sorry hopefully you see what i am asking
I have read his ISO. My conclusion is that he most likely just dislikes your playstyle (or the way you phrase your posts), because he considers it to be similar to his. Posts , and as well as the one you quoted seem to be pointing towards that.

I don't really see this train of thought as relevant or alignment indicative, care to explain why this interests you?
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Post Post #261 (isolation #12) » Fri May 26, 2023 2:50 am

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In post 257, biancospino wrote:
In post 253, Greeting wrote: Hey,
Cat Scratch Fever
, what's your read on
biancospino
?
Hey @greeting, is there a reason you're coninstently bolding all usernames?
Yes, I just like doing it. I don't bold all usernames, only those of players who are in the game (including mine), and only while the game is ongoing. I also usually stop doing this when I'm in the dead thread.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #13) » Fri May 26, 2023 10:04 pm

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In post 289, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 253, Greeting wrote: Hey,
Cat Scratch Fever
, what's your read on
biancospino
?
Kinda scummy
Why?
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Post Post #322 (isolation #14) » Fri May 26, 2023 10:07 pm

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WhemeStar
is obviously a low-effort player, problem is that this might not be AI.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #15) » Sat May 27, 2023 1:52 pm

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In post 349, GrandpaMo wrote:
I am a
Town Guardian Angel


Image

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by
true
'r
false
!
?????

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo
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Post Post #381 (isolation #16) » Sat May 27, 2023 1:55 pm

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I am perfectly content with voting this for now. Have been trying to get something out that is longer than a few words from
Cat Scratch Fever
, but failed. I guess some pressure here is warranted.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever
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Post Post #386 (isolation #17) » Sat May 27, 2023 2:05 pm

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In post 334, demona wrote:
In post 322, Greeting wrote:
WhemeStar
is obviously a low-effort player, problem is that this might not be AI.

i mean,

sure whemestar's engagement so far might very much not be ai, of course, it also might be ai, or it be indicative of a game related but not necessarily alignment related thing, et cetera et cetera

i guess my question would be... what is your plan for determining which?


though whemestar did ask if anyone had any questions and noone asked anything game related so it's not really like its all on whemestar either

not that i would have really known what to ask that might be helpful
I would rather go after someone else for the time being and leave sorting
WhemeStar
for later.
In post 334, demona wrote: also kinda a little curious how you determined the obviousness of this and how it applies across the board to whemestar since i clicked around on a few games and it seemed like there was potentially more substantial engagement from whemestar at various points,
I didn't know his meta whatsoever, it was judgement solely based on this game's ISO. Which I would say is enough to warrant that judgement.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #18) » Sat May 27, 2023 2:09 pm

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In post 366, GrandpaMo wrote:
A lighteth hast evok'd me from above!

i has't been toldeth to clarifyeth

- i can only answ'r up to 25 questions, so asketh wisely!
- thee may only asketh true 'r false questions
- i doth not has't extra inf'rmation on oth'r roles, mod, and mechanics.
- thee may only asketh questions from and about angels and demons game.
- thee can asketh oth'r gen'ral questions only if 't be true t p'rtains to me on who is't and what i am.
- all invalid questions shall not beest did count towards the 25 questions
- i has't gen'ral inf'rmation on the game. I shall useth this inf'rmation to most wondrous guideth thee as town's guardian angel.

Our goal is to surpass the demons of this game yond is ov'rtaking our kingdom. Whom we art the savi'rs, guardians, the ones who is't shall saveth the entirety of life from those of lacking valor shall
Were all the statements that you have made in this thread true?
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Post Post #391 (isolation #19) » Sat May 27, 2023 2:14 pm

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Great.
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Post Post #394 (isolation #20) » Sat May 27, 2023 2:22 pm

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In post 392, demona wrote: once again maybe not fully honest regarding alignment and purpose and such
but i do not think grandpamo wholly invented the whole thing
because why would he have bothered with all of the extraneous bits and how likely is it that he would have thought to give himself a whole bunch of rules he must follow in how he answers
Let's try this out. I won't ask any more questions after this unless I think of something really good, as apparently we're limited to 25.
In post 38, GrandpaMo wrote: also i do have like a post restriction. i wont out yet what it is
@
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Post Post #400 (isolation #21) » Sat May 27, 2023 2:28 pm

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In post 396, demona wrote:
In post 391, Greeting wrote: Great.

i assume 'in this thread' would also entail all of the posts grandpamo made before the questions game as well so it's like, could be the neighbour thing or just about anything else grandpamo was untruthful about
That phrasing was on purpose, I wanted to know if he's 100% reliable as a player in this game. You're probably right though, might have been better to ask the question about statements made past the post restriction.
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Post Post #414 (isolation #22) » Sun May 28, 2023 12:07 am

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In post 409, Enchant wrote: I wanted to ask "can you lie" and it's kinda pointless question because if can, Grandpa will just uh. Lie.
I asked him if he had lied in the thread before and yes, he did.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #23) » Mon May 29, 2023 2:36 am

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I’m kind of thinking what is the point of the Town Guardian Angel at this point whatsoever. We know that he was not fully truthful with us in the thread and so I suppose he can be lying about anything.

Maybe it is a distraction after all and we should focus on something else, unless someone has a strategy as to how to approach this.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #24) » Mon May 29, 2023 10:36 pm

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In post 437, demona wrote: and yes, could be lying about anything, could be a distraction, but just ignoring it doesn't really seem like it sorts any of that out?
We could just assume that
GrandpaMo
is town for the time being and look elsewhere? I don't know.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #25) » Mon May 29, 2023 10:42 pm

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In post 453, demona wrote: was not evoked by the moderator but it seems possible that someone else told grandpamo to clarify, though i do not know how to make that narrow enough to be one true or false question to ask, like how to determine who it was if not the mod
That is actually a very good point.

@
GrandpaMo
: Is anyone giving you instructions about clarifying things regarding our doubts and questions?
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Post Post #785 (isolation #26) » Wed May 31, 2023 2:28 am

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This is a prod dodge, however I have been reading the thread, and I can’t say that the fact that
GrandpaMo
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Post Post #821 (isolation #27) » Wed May 31, 2023 11:02 pm

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Okay, I am back. Let me catch up.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #28) » Wed May 31, 2023 11:05 pm

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In post 514, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 510, demona wrote:it was yeah
I wouldn't fake a whole thing that probably in my head makes me look more town than scum...


I could have just not done all that and played my original playstyle and probably get scumread for it because I am a very versatile player that can transform into a playstyle that can be scumread. I know my own playstyle and multiple people in this game can tell you that.
In what world hijacking the thread with a false claim and distracting everyone with a phoney game makes you look more town than scum?
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Post Post #823 (isolation #29) » Wed May 31, 2023 11:10 pm

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In post 561, biancospino wrote:
In post 556, demona wrote:
Spoiler: nest
In post 551, biancospino wrote:
In post 547, demona wrote:
In post 535, biancospino wrote:
In post 528, GrandpaMo wrote: Post (votes me),
492
(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post )
is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

just gonna skip ahead a bit momentarily (don't worry still working) and say that i think there's a good chance is related to and such regardless of phir's alignment

like phir either townreads meuh or is pretending to and phir as town weighs the inputs of others, which is pretty consistent and evident, or is very good at faking this aspect of their townplay
It's the mega sus part that's shiny. The quote is of Greeting, so I'm assuming
you
means Greeting

could you reword this for me, i am having trouble following
I don't see Phir ever having been "mega sus" of Greeting, so that's a weird thing to have to "move on" from
I don't remember him saying anything about being suspicious of me either, however I think it's not a big deal. He could have just been seeing me as suspicious in his mind for whatever reason.
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Post Post #824 (isolation #30) » Wed May 31, 2023 11:15 pm

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In post 677, Meuh wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 528, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 522, demona wrote:
In post 517, GrandpaMo wrote: Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

eh i mean i can kinda relate to the assumed likelihood of being nightkilled because i feel similarly right now but why is that something to be avoided, like to me it's just solve as much of the game as i possibly can while i'm alive and then it is what it is

like are you just saying you want to continue playing the game indefinitely and thus needed to avoid being nightkilled by... making a big mess of the game?

okay what did you learn about others who asked questions and interacted with eachother about the questions? like you can just omit me from your response here but am interested in the others beyond phir,

is it because phir did not want to ask you any questions? at one point i worried that maybe phir thought you would gain something from being asked, but could in theory have thought you would gain something as a scums,

I do not wanna get nightkilled because I am testing something in the night -- It was all elaborate plan (even including me "escaping"). I don't wanna reveal too much there until later tbh.

And no Phir isn't scum just because of that, they are scum of the reasons I said -- they have been consistently inconsistent in every post they have made. I urge you to take a look at their iso.

Post just sounds a TMI post in the context that everyone already posted their scum / town reasons for their read on you. Then out of nowhere their RVS is "demona is good" they also push Drew in that post for being too agressive

Out of nowhere in post 116 right after responding to a question, they want to make Bianco claim! That early in the game I know they were at E2 or whatever it was -- but that probably means Bianco was a scumwagon or something and Phir was just rolefishing.

Post (votes me),
(questions greeting as scum),
(talking about spino wagon),
(calling me possible town, urge to hammer for spino and questioning to hammer, and voting whemestar),
(then questions imag and me scum in a scumpool they create based on spinos flip???),
(votes imaginaility),
(calls me fake but was def saying I was town earlier - they also say they happy with town core but have not specified anybody lol),
(votes me again after pushing them with one post),
(questioning CSF),
(now questioning me as town???),
(u actually question who the towncore is and they say meuh and demona and then question greeting and cat),
(continuing to hover over me and questioning about pushing me??? and giving me the option to push them? probably because they are scared and dont actually wanna commit),
(questioning wheme as town)
(all over the place trying to scumread me.... they are claiming stuff out of context, stuff that dont even make sense? like appeal to authority? what does have to do with anything? they are just conitnuing to be all over the place here and even saying "i will decide how to vote" they just sound like a newbscum tryna push me back and they have nothing so they are pulling shit out of their ass LOL)
(questioning me as town once again)
(calls me classic scum and votes Cat Scratch Fever) this is probably the biggest red flag lol
(says willing to sheep meuh now??? and prob "wheme, bianco or enchant I guess. Maybe Drew as a distant fifth." not even me mentioned other "innocent" behavior as town???
492
(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post )

This is my scumcase on phir. If you tell me there is nothing wrong with that ISO, then you're just flatout lying. This is probably one of the worst ISO's I ever seen and I doubt it comes from town. Not only shows them they are all over the place, they are multiple contradictions and just so many ugh posts that is like so obvious. Please.

This case just seems to boil down to "Phir's perspective on stuff changed over time" which isn't very convincing
Phir could've communicated these shifts better but stuff like Phir considering Greeting for the towncore and then later saying they had sus on Greeting just feels like someone having gotten some mild scumpings in between those posts
My thoughts exactly.

And
Meuh
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Post Post #825 (isolation #31) » Wed May 31, 2023 11:18 pm

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In post 716, Meuh wrote:
In post 715, demona wrote:
In post 714, Meuh wrote: Hmm yeah this is intriguing
I'm not really surprised at us lining up cause you just generally had good takes in Trust Fall, though I think I should be careful not to write you off entirely cause mindmeld is generally good but doesn't necessitate you being town (esp since I think you have the skillset to fake good takes)
To me you're kind of in that same space in my mind I have in pretty much every game (including trust fall) of like, a town leader with mild good vibes who I'm willing to assume is town for day 1 and analyze more properly in the long run, because it'd be nonsensical to lim them early anyways

i mean, my thoughts lining up with your thoughts here is already evidenced by my posts, like i expressed my distrust of the whemestar wagon, i had already made nearly the same points as you re: phir's posting and grandpamo's case, it's not just me saying 'oh we are mindmelding that's what i think too!' but yes, i suppose in theory from your perspective it could simply be my faking good takes and then you having similar takes, and like i said, this time i am committed to not letting myself get too paranoid about it, just found it interesting to note i guess, sorry
yes yes I'm aware, just wanted to add my own reflection on you regarding mindmeld/trustfall since that made me think of it!
you did post your takes first so it's not a "you copying my reads to create artificial mindmeld" situation (which you could consider with my posting since it came second) on my end, it's just me pondering a bit on our mindset lining up and whether it makes you town here. Though I don't feel like giving it that much thought at the moment cause as I mentioned before, I'm fine with throwing you in the town bin and worrying about that later lol
and yeah just noting little pieces of thought processes is generally good to do, it's a helpful tool when it comes to sorting and I myself make posts of that sort to make myself easier to sort :P
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and
demona
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Post Post #826 (isolation #32) » Wed May 31, 2023 11:21 pm

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In post 766, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 764, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: enchant
In post 765, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Does it look like enchant is trying to find scum at any point in this game?
Poor take imo
I didn't notice
Cat Scratch Fever
trying to find scum at any point in this game either.
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Post Post #827 (isolation #33) » Wed May 31, 2023 11:26 pm

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In post 788, Meuh wrote:
In post 784, imaginality wrote: VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever E-2

If there was scum on WhemeStar it's probably this vote switch to Enchant because I don't think scum!Drew would switch to Mo (if Mo was a likely mislim that would've kicked off after the fake PR stuff).

And... eh I guess scum!bianco might see town!Phir as a possible mislim but CSF's vote on Enchant seems the most likely to be scum trying to get a different mislim going after the first one stalled.

The rolefishing seems bad (narrows down who might be doc, also the 'weird or normal roles' question could help scum with faking claims. Specifically I don't think we should say if there are thematic flavour elements in our PMs or not). But it does seem, particularly demona asking about doc, too blatant for scum to feel comfortable doing it.

This is a pretty weird game to try to read, it feels like listening to people talking underwater. I wouldn't be opposed to limming WhemeStar still (I think the flip would be more informative than waiting to get a read from their posts) but I was suspicious of CSF earlier and the switch to Enchant has pinged me again.
Okay yeah Imaginality can be town, love this post
Hmm.

What do you love about that post?
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Post Post #974 (isolation #34) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:28 am

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Someone gave me a one shot Watcher power. I was watching
demona
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Meuh
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VOTE: Meuh
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Post Post #980 (isolation #35) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:38 am

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In post 977, Meuh wrote: You were
given
a power?
Yes. And the result was you visiting
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Post Post #982 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:42 am

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In post 981, Meuh wrote:
In post 980, Greeting wrote:
In post 977, Meuh wrote: You were
given
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Yes. And the result was you visiting
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. She was not visited by anyone else.
Yeah this is just not true
Can anyone attest to giving Greeting a power? I imagine there was no power given
Please ignore
Meuh
, she is role-fishing right now. Just vote her out, thank you.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:11 pm

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In post 993, imaginality wrote: I think we need to lim Greeting here. If Greeting flips town we know Meuh is scum. If Greeting flips mafia great! If Greeting flips mime, ehhh not so great buuuuuuttt....
This is nonsensical. I have a guilty on
Meuh
, not the other way around. Just eliminate her.

Can someone please tell me what is the rationale behind me being mafia and doing this? If
Meuh
were to flip town, and she will not, I would go down next anyway.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:15 pm

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Anyway, I am off, will be back earlier. Be suspicious of anyone who is trying to get me over
Meuh
today.

The claim I made is 100% serious. If you think more deeply about this, there is no good scum motivation behind me doing this.
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #39) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:46 pm

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In post 1010, biancospino wrote: We decide today to vote him out tomorrow, as blackmail. If he is mime and not dead, they are voted out and scum lose (toghether with town, but scum don't care about that part). So if he's mime, scum must kill them unless they have reasons to believe there are 3 mimes
I am down for this. What I had shared is the result that I got, and unless I was lied to, or the result was tampered with,
Meuh
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #40) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:50 pm

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If something is wrong with the result that I got then I might as well just vote myself out on Day 3, because a power that would give me a wrong Watcher shot, or a power that somehow falsifies the result (given that whomever falisifed that shot knew that I received the shot) would mean the setup is broken, even for a bastard game.
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #41) » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:54 pm

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In post 1020, GrandpaMo wrote: but how will they be given this power? through the day im assuming -- thats the only time.
I received the power at the very beginning of Night 1, so I would assume that this power was given out during Day 1.
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:50 pm

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In post 1053, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1052, Doctor Drew wrote: Lol, check the wording of that answer.

Told you,.you can't trust the mod.
@mod does that mean in a hypothetical situation, if person x gave something to person y mid game, will you notify person y as soon as possible during midgame?
Why does this even matter?
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:52 pm

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In post 1029, biancospino wrote:
In post 1024, Greeting wrote: If something is wrong with the result that I got then I might as well just vote myself out on Day 3, because a power that would give me a wrong Watcher shot, or a power that somehow falsifies the result (given that whomever falisifed that shot knew that I received the shot) would mean the setup is broken, even for a bastard game.
What's up with the defeatism?
Oh, I was just greatly annoyed by the fact that for once I made great use of my role by catching scum red-handed and some of the town want to eliminate me for this.

I can understand
Meuh
trying to save herself, but not players like
imaginality
or the rest who seem completely unimpressed by my result.
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #44) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:56 pm

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Anyways, after
Meuh
’s red flip, I will probably be killed off on Night 2, so I would look into
imaginality
next, judging by his unusually sceptical reaction towards my claim.
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:04 pm

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In post 1059, GrandpaMo wrote: Greeting, what was your result again? And what did it say?
I cannot quote PMs directly, but I chose to watch
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #46) » Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:54 pm

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In post 1056, GrandpaMo wrote:
because you were told that you were given the power in the beginning of night 1.


I want to know how that is possible -- if during night 1, someone gave you a power and you received it during night 1. that just wouldn't make sense and. I don't believe that just happens in a normal mafia game, bastard or not.

I just want to know how the procedure of receiving something works either during the night or day.

and assuming what the mod had said, that means if you were given the power in the beginning of night 1 that means someone gave you that power night 1 , which idk how that works which can mean u are lying
I was not told that I received a role ability „at the beginning of Night 1”.

At the beginning of Night 1 I got the information that I have received a one-shot Watcher ability. The information did not state when was this ability given out or by whom.

I still don’t really see how or why is this relevant, I just received the power and used it.
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:59 am

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In post 1081, Phir wrote: Greeting, how do you feel bout that Enchant vote?
I don't really care. I've played with
Enchant
numerous times and he's always hunting me for whatever reason so his vote on me is probably NAI. He has never been very useful in game-solving either. Kinda like a slightly more talkative Not_Mafia.
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:01 am

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For the record, I am against whomever gave me the one-shot Watcher power revealing themselves.
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Post Post #1129 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:27 am

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In post 1127, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1124, Greeting wrote: For the record, I am against whomever gave me the one-shot Watcher power revealing themselves.
this can confirm you. if no one outs, then it could be a possibility that you're lying.
You know what could also confirm me? Voting out
Meuh
. I will be conftown and dead on Night 2 and whomever gave me the power will not be outed.
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Post Post #1140 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:11 am

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In post 1132, Meuh wrote: Any sort of want to clarify on his supposed watcher check gets pushed back on, all he wants is me dead and nothing more
I have not been interacting with your posts, because, unfortunately, based on the result that I have, you are 100% scum.

You are correct in that all I want today is you dead. And I do not want whomever gave me this ability to claim.

I have a red check on you which leaves no doubts, you are the only person who targeted
demona
last night. And she dropped dead.

The only possible reasons that this might be wrong is either the ability itself gives a wrong check or that my result was somehow falsified. None of which really make any sense. If we look at the ability that gives out wrong checks without considering which faction has this ability, it is very clear that it is far more likely to disproportionately harm town than mafia, which would make the game very unbalanced. If the result was somehow falsified, someone who did this must have known that I would be due to receive it or that someone would be giving it out. Which, overall, sounds very unlikely, especially if we are talking about Day 1.

The above is why, in , I said that if my result is wrong then the game setup is broken. Even for a bastard game, the game is supposed to be fair and winnable for all factions, and not present an inherent disadvantage to any faction.
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:16 am

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And, like a broken record, I am going to keep pushing for a
Meuh
elimination until either she is eliminated or I am voted out or killed, because that is the most pro-town thing I can do at the moment. Beyond reasonable doubt
Meuh
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:20 am

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In post 1143, Phir wrote: Why watch demona?
She was my strongest townread and I thought she would be most likely to get killed on Night 1.

-----

I am off for the night.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:52 pm

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In post 1147, Phir wrote:
In post 1126, Enchant wrote: Broken clocks are right once per day.
Nah theres luck and there's skill, u and nm have skill.
Is the skill in the room with us right now?
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #54) » Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:58 pm

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In post 1163, Phir wrote: Greeting are you able to tell me who you think is town here?
At this moment I am townreading only yourself. Maybe townleaning
Doctor Drew
as well.

I think
GrandpaMo
is the second mime, and we should avoid eliminating him for that reason. There is a slightly smaller chance that the second mime is
WhemeStar
, if it’s
GrandpaMo
then he’s probably town.

Enchant
is a null read.

imaginality
and
biancospino
are scummy.

I don’t know how many scums are there though. It’s possible that there are two, given that we have at least two mimes in the game as well, in which case the second scum is between the aforementioned two.
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #55) » Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:25 am

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There hasn’t been a single post by
imaginality
that I liked, and he makes sense as a scum partner for
Meuh
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #56) » Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:11 am

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Good morning! Looks like we have a vig, thanks for taking care of
Meuh
.

VOTE: imaginality
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #57) » Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:12 am

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Ngl it’s hilarious that mafia gave me the very power which I used to uncover them :lol:
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #58) » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:25 pm

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In post 1243, biancospino wrote: First of all why would they not give a power to themselves; and the word bargain implies that something is expected back. Greeting did sign a contract with a Demon after all
I honestly don't know why they chose me. There was no
quid pro quo
with the power too, I got it and did not have to give anything in return.
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #59) » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:30 pm

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In post 1237, GrandpaMo wrote: still tho, I would surprised why phir is dead and not a confirmed like greeting. which wanna make me think greeting is an minority faction that mafia is informed of
We have 11 players in the game.

We have at least 2 mafia. We also have at least 2 mimes. Which leaves 7 town. Do you really think it is possible for yet another faction to exist?

I think it's already pretty much confirmed that I'm not aligned with the mafia.

If I were mime, why would I help town the way I did? I was put at E-1 on Day 2, I could have just hammered myself and won, instead I fought for the
Meuh
wagon. And right now I am in the position where I am more likely to be night killed rather than voted out, which would be an unfavourable position for a mime.
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #60) » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:34 pm

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Anyway, I still think that you're (
GrandpaMo
) a mime.

Reasons:
- I think that you wanted your Day 1 gambit to backfire and result in you being voted out for making false claims and confusing everyone;
- I think that your actual power is a role which is designed to weaken the mime faction by making it harder for them to win, and it makes sense that a mime would have that role.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #61) » Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:51 pm

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There has been no counterclaim, so I have no reason to be voting
imaginality
, even though I'm quite sceptical about the whole thing. He seemed to be all behind
Meuh
and then, all of the sudden he does a 180 and decides to vig her?

UNVOTE: imaginality
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #62) » Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:55 pm

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I'm not voting
Doctor Drew
(townread),
GrandpaMo
(potential mime) or
WhemeStar
(potential mime). My gut says
Enchant
is town, but it's honestly just a gut feeling with nothing to back it up.
imaginality
claimed.

There's only one player left.

VOTE: biancospino
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #63) » Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:18 pm

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I am a Vanilla Townie.
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #64) » Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:51 pm

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@
WhemeStar
: Why eliminate
Drew
?
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:42 pm

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In post 1307, GrandpaMo wrote: there is scum between bianco, imag, and drew. just don't know which
I didn’t like anything about
imaginality
’s play this game at all, but I believe his claim. So I would rule him out from this three. I think it’s
bianco
, I guess the possibility of it being
Drew
should not be ruled out though.

UNVOTE: biancospino

Until I check out the
Meuh
/
Drew
interactions.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #66) » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:07 am

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In post 1314, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1313, Greeting wrote:
In post 1307, GrandpaMo wrote: there is scum between bianco, imag, and drew. just don't know which
I didn’t like anything about
imaginality
’s play this game at all, but I believe his claim. So I would rule him out from this three. I think it’s
bianco
, I guess the possibility of it being
Drew
should not be ruled out though.

UNVOTE: biancospino

Until I check out the
Meuh
/
Drew
interactions.
youre confusing me. u called imag out multiple times saying they might be lying. if u dont like their play, dont u think that they might be scum lying then?
Because there were two deaths during the night, one of which was most likely mafia, and the other was claimed by him, with no counterclaim. So believing him is the correct thing to do for now.

Anyway, I will get down to it tomorrow. There’s no rush thankfully.
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Post Post #1360 (isolation #67) » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:32 pm

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Okay, I am too lazy to read up. I guess I will just go with my instincts.

VOTE: biancospino

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Post Post #1375 (isolation #68) » Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:37 am

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Yes. Everyone who has not yet claimed, please do.
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #69) » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:55 am

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I will get to this game in a second. Sorry, was kinda busy.
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #70) » Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:09 am

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Okay, it's been kind of stagnant hence why I kind of forgot about it still going. I don't think we are in ELo yet.
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #71) » Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:21 am

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There is one thing I know for certain about the mafia team, when I got a guilty on
Meuh
, they panicked. (posts - ) have a very nervous vibe to them. I think they did not have a plan for in case someone who gets a power from them gets a guilty. The makeshift plan was to desperately force a mislim on me by any means necessary. I do not think that the mafia bussed
Meuh
, so they must have been on my wagon at some point during Day 2.

Enchant
remained heavily sceptical towards my claim from the start, and refused to consider
Meuh
as mafia, so I would say it's a pretty natural choice for a lim today.

VOTE: Enchant
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #72) » Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:23 am

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I continue to think that
Doctor Drew
is town, believe
imaginality
's claim and think that there's one mime and one town in {
GrandpaMo
,
WhemeStar
}. So yeah, I don't see myself voting for anyone else at this point.
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #73) » Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:24 pm

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Post Post #1403 (isolation #74) » Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:28 am

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Doctor Drew
, do you have any other suspects?
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #75) » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:49 pm

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Thank you for hosting, mykonian! This was a very enjoyable game.

I genuinely thought GrandpaMo was the mime up until the end because of the Day 1 stunt he pulled.
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #76) » Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:50 pm

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Also, if it had not been for my guilty on Meuh I probably would have never never voted her. She was very convincing!

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