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i’m not mafia and i’m not vig
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How is mafia tracker too complicated for sheep but mafia 1-shot BP rolecop is fair game? That seems like a weird inconsistency.In post 2023, Flower wrote: Why arent more people bothered with Cook claiming 1-Shot BP Rolecop with Ausuka pointing out that if there's a vig then Cook's probably trueclaiming scum and then after the vig shoots and Ausuka flips town her claim suddenly changes to one that isn't a blatant scumclaimIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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The obvious answer is that odd-night cop claims are never real, because they aren't.In post 2024, ItalianoVD wrote: Sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Odd-night cop is literally the perfect claim for scum. You can invent one result to suit your agenda, but you don't have to provide so many results that you end up narrowing down your own team. It gives an excuse for why you don't die N2 (you can't do anything anyway) and then by D4 it's elo or close to it so it will be hard for "why are you still alive?" to get traction.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Why?In post 2007, Flower wrote: Me too but sadly in this case it's pretty necessary, sorryIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I don't think I'm gonna follow your argument.
Are you also assuming scum don't have a ninja? That seems like a wild and unfounded assumption.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Tracker and rolecop can't get green checks, so if I'm assuming they only check town, then they have basically 0 info. I really don't see what you're getting at.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Isn't this just WIFOM though? It's significantly less scummy than a bulletproof cop claim.In post 2056, Something_Smart wrote: Odd-night cop is literally the perfect claim for scum. You can invent one result to suit your agenda, but you don't have to provide so many results that you end up narrowing down your own team. It gives an excuse for why you don't die N2 (you can't do anything anyway) and then by D4 it's elo or close to it so it will be hard for "why are you still alive?" to get traction.-
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Because there's a Vig in the game and that's the kind of thing where if scum have no counter to it a Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof Rolecop gets suggested to address it during review. Mafia Tracker on the other hand isn't likely to get suggested as a counterbalance to town PRs so sheep'd have to proactively add it in the gameIn post 2054, Something_Smart wrote:
How is mafia tracker too complicated for sheep but mafia 1-shot BP rolecop is fair game? That seems like a weird inconsistency.In post 2023, Flower wrote: Why arent more people bothered with Cook claiming 1-Shot BP Rolecop with Ausuka pointing out that if there's a vig then Cook's probably trueclaiming scum and then after the vig shoots and Ausuka flips town her claim suddenly changes to one that isn't a blatant scumclaim
If we have 5 Town PRs (With 3 info roles and a vig) are you unironically suggesting that scum gets 0 compensation in the form of PRs? If Cook were real a No Visit/Vanilla result is pretty much a Green checkIn post 2059, Something_Smart wrote: Tracker and rolecop can't get green checks, so if I'm assuming they only check town, then they have basically 0 info. I really don't see what you're getting at.
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yeahIn post 2023, Flower wrote: Everyone elses eyes have glazed over.
I'm trash at setup spec so I can only understand so much but I think I do not believe the ascetic claim. It was more likely a trueclaim as scum if a vig exists (which people have already said lol). I would vote but I don't wanna e-1 when I'm not gonna be here for a bitInvisibility is actually AWESOME!-
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I don't think this is a thing that happens during reviews? Mafia bulletproof is not a "counter" to a vig, it's a random slap in the face.In post 2061, Flower wrote: Because there's a Vig in the game and that's the kind of thing where if scum have no counter to it a Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof Rolecop gets suggested to address it during review.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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There are three scum, they don't all have to be PR's; having no goons on a team is pretty rare. And like I said, ninja is the most likely scum PR, considering we have a tracker and a watcher, so tracker results wouldn't even necessarily mean much.In post 2061, Flower wrote: If we have 5 Town PRs (With 3 info roles and a vig) are you unironically suggesting that scum gets 0 compensation in the form of PRs?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Actually this is probably the weirdest thing to come from S_S in this part because he's part of the NRG. He should already have experience with someone carelessly adding a Town Vigilante and needing to suggest some sort of counterbalance and this is making me feel like he's twisting mech for an agendaIn post 2054, Something_Smart wrote:
How is mafia tracker too complicated for sheep but mafia 1-shot BP rolecop is fair game? That seems like a weird inconsistency.In post 2023, Flower wrote: Why arent more people bothered with Cook claiming 1-Shot BP Rolecop with Ausuka pointing out that if there's a vig then Cook's probably trueclaiming scum and then after the vig shoots and Ausuka flips town her claim suddenly changes to one that isn't a blatant scumclaim
Case in point. You'd add Mafia 1-Shot BP in a Vig game so that the Vig can shoot limbait without just straight up soloing the game by shooting all the Mafia, how is this a new concept for you?In post 2063, Something_Smart wrote:
I don't think this is a thing that happens during reviews? Mafia bulletproof is not a "counter" to a vig, it's a random slap in the face.In post 2061, Flower wrote: Because there's a Vig in the game and that's the kind of thing where if scum have no counter to it a Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof Rolecop gets suggested to address it during review.
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Can you link to a review where this happened?In post 2065, Flower wrote: He should already have experience with someone carelessly adding a Town Vigilante and needing to suggest some sort of counterbalance and this is making me feel like he's twisting mech for an agenda
I would never suggest this as a counter to vig. I don't think Isis or Koba would either. But I've been wrong before.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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When balancing, I assume that a vig shot is equivalent to a lim (except that it can land on a town PR). If I would put an ungated vig in a mini, which I would not, I wouldn't consider the case where the vig shoots all the scum to be bad-- scum weren't going to win anyway.In post 2065, Flower wrote: Case in point. You'd add Mafia 1-Shot BP in a Vig game so that the Vig can shoot limbait without just straight up soloing the game by shooting all the Mafia, how is this a new concept for you?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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assuming that the vig is already X-shot (2-3 shot, used one) I really doubt that there will be any bp mafia roles to further lower the chance of scum dying at nightiavh is slightly annoyed-
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i’m calling it as either 2-shot or simpleYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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I think it's more on the side of 3-shot
2-shot seems too weak, no modifier seems too strong
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Too weak?? 2-shot vig is still very strong because it confirms itself as town and earns town an extra lim.In post 2070, iamveryhappy wrote: 2-shot seems too weak, no modifier seems too strong
Plus, it's not like town can't have weak PR's as well as strong ones.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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like as if in this unknown closed setup would ppl not shoot every night to try to figure out the setup/scumIn post 2071, Something_Smart wrote:
Too weak?? 2-shot vig is still very strong because it confirms itself as town and earns town an extra lim.In post 2070, iamveryhappy wrote: 2-shot seems too weak, no modifier seems too strong
Plus, it's not like town can't have weak PR's as well as strong ones.
this thing is not to conserve shots, it is a direct weapon to counter scum.iavh is slightly annoyed-
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I don't understand. Yes, people would shoot every night as a vig, that's just basic play. I'm not talking about conserving shots, I just think that a 1-shot or 2-shot vig could exist in the setup if the reviewers wanted it to.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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