Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Merlyn]

When did I hate on the kitty push? Am I supposed to pretend I have a case that I don't have? And if I did hate on the kitty push somehow, how can you dislike that without even knowing if you agree with the push?

Is the current push not what you were referring to with the city of bozos stuff? And it's not the specific push that I dislike, it's the way you aren't offering an alternative.

No I was being frustrated about wheme's night actions.

I have no need to offer an alternative if I feel indifferent about the current direction. I am reassessing right now because I fucked up yesterday, and it would be strange if I did have a confident alternative right now.

Oh I misunderstood what you were mad at

[Black]

v/la for the weekend I'm at the lake

[ItalianoVD]

Italiano (10)

Titus, Merlyn,

Doctor Drew

,

Chandra Nalaar

,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Save the Dragons,

Meuh

,

Firebringer

,

SirCakez

,

LLD

Magical Girl (12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Bianco

,

Firebringer

,

Yimmy, Shirou, Malakittens, DrippingGoofBall,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez

,

Meuh

,

Mathblade

,

Black

On top of the Orange ones probably having scum, the Blue Differences could each contain scum, tbh. I'd be surprised if the Blue doesn't have scum in them.

There’s a lot more dead in the orange than the blue. That’s interesting.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Okay. I have a scum read. This scum read is: Chandra.

Here is why. They should be defending me vigorously today, but they are not. They are doing the bare minimum of confirming that we had a private Topic together, at their instigation and that my power gave them something overnight. However, it should be abundantly clear to them that I am down by virtue of the nature of my gift. They are saying nothing about it. In the private topic, I told them I targeted with a gift. They asked me if I had scum reads, I said no, and that was it. They were not helpful when I hinted about needing assistance.

So they got that I sent them a gift, they got that I had no scum reads that might affect the scum team today, they know the nature of the gift, they are not helping me, and I believe the scum team is going after me today because they know the nature of the gifts I grant and they do not want me to give it to the town later in the game.

Not sure what you mean about the assistance thing.

I think it's possible for your power to be scum. We don't know what scum have. You've used it in a protown manner, that much is true. I'm not sure it's as impactful as you think it is, but that's fine. I didn't see much reason to claim the nature of the ability you used, but your predecessor already claimed it so that information is available to anyone who's paying sufficient attention.

I suppose I don't mind this take tbh.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Okay like?

Firebringer -

Did you see my recent post about Firebringer? If I shouldn’t just be townreading him you gotta let me know and why. I know based on my research he should actually be null for me, but I think he’s town.

SirCakez -

Cakez has gotten his fair share of scrutiny so don’t understand this.

Flavor Leaf -

What does Leaf need scrutiny on and why haven’t you been the one to do it yet, if you feel he needs it. lol

Titus -

Same thing for Titus.

Meuh -

Has gotten a lot of scrutiny if you ask me.

Black -

So has Black.

Not_Mafia -

Agree with you here about N_M

Merlyn -

Pretty sure you shut down any scrutiny towards Squirtle.

All in all I don’t get the sense you’ve tried hard enough to scrutinize the slots that haven’t really gotten any.

Your expectations are too high.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'll take Black for example. They've received a lot of attacks, but nothing I can recall that's both recent and substantial enough for me to glom onto and remember.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think they’ve received that much tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

@Not Mafia - what’re you feeling?

[Flavor Leaf]

Every vote Not Mafia has made this game out of RVS.

Spoiler:

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: Black

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: Black

VOTE: Metens

VOTE: Italiano

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: LLD

I guess the town just wasn't on her wavelength

VOTE: STD

LLD and Malakittens were town.

STD, Titus, Black, Cakez are the others they voted.

If they are scum, I feel this is likely zero to 1 scum total they’ve voted.

If they’re town….probably the same

Don’t want to use that second for any actual reasons, but I do think ‘if they are scum’ analysis is correct.

I am having a hard time reading NM this game, and usually by this point, I can at least get a sense of what NM is, but they’ve felt extra do nothing this game, which could be scum indicative.

Their vote on STD feels like possible scum light bussing another scum because they’re being wagoned. Easy balancing act too.

Not Mafia/STD/Black pairing possible, which would explain why STD had their thorns in me all game, it’s a hatchet attempt from me going after Black.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve liked Chandra overall after our back and forth day 1, and like I said, I feel they’ve been in a similar spot as me, where they should have more push and pull, but aren’t getting anywhere.

Firebringer’s pushed little to no agenda, and even under the push from Pink Ball, I just kinda liked how they reacted. I liked the e6 once my Chandra scum read went away, and DD flipped town.

Titus could go either way. Their claim on Day 2 came across townie, and it looked like they were getting framed, and I don’t think Titus makes kills like that, but that’s meta. I also don’t feel like she’s made as much pocketing attempts on me if she were scum here.

Whemestar, I had some soul bonding with early, and I’ve liked their claiming of what they’ve been doing, and it makes sense. I’ll go deeper into this in a day phase or so if I’m here.

Cakez hasn’t really done too much, I don’t think, and I remember it being weird I’ve been on top of their reads list all game, but i think that was a choice Cakez made rather than truly having that read. I didn’t think they’d try to pocket me this hard right after I got paranoid of them in our last game together when they were town, but I guess it kind of makes sense. If I went with my VCA pool, they fit that bill.

[Flavor Leaf]

Black has been nonexistent feeling the past few days, which is odd considering I felt they were a big part of things before.

I didn’t like how they kept hiding in the background and the game got distracted every time they were getting pressure. It’s happened like thrice.

I don’t have any new analysis on their slot that I wasn’t spouting before.

[Yimmy]

MathBlade was killed! He was Manaphy aligned with the

town

.

snip

So how the hell does a pokemon with a literal "can't die in battle" ability manages to die in battle

what are you reading here that i'm not reading?

I wanna get back to the Magical Girl wagon tbh

i think it's bonkers that town limmed mala and lld based pretty strongly on vca and then we hopped into d4 and said "let's do some more vca". like is the gameplan to just go up the magical girl wagon for the rest of the game/until we hit scum? what if there's not scum there?

Wow, happy to be alive. I had already townlocked the slot that battled me last night so I’m not mad at that person at all. Actually makes me townread them more. I guess I’ll let them reveal whatever they wanna reveal if they wanna reveal it. :)

I do gotta say that me not being dead though at least fmpov incriminates those who have been pushing to get this slot limmed since Day 1. So either the vig finally saw my townieness before/after the Mala flip, seen the slot’s townieness from the start or scum have been pushing this slot all game. Or all three.

uhhhh?? only one of those three cases incriminates those pushing you? also didn't somebody try to kill you? like in this post you say somebody battled you??

Black

Spoiler:

699 and 702 - This is a town mindset. I really don't think scum highlight this because it's kinda basic and can be seen as scum trying to find anything to push, which could bring heat to them. I don't think Black cared about what potential heat came their way. I believe they really believed this angle.

707 - This post gives more insight into what is going on in Black's head at the moment of 699 and 702, which is congruent with the initial thought. 723 then goes further into why Black wanted to push this angle, which again is from a town mindset. Scum even pushing their partner is gonna come up with something better than this let alone doing it on a townie.

I gotta be honest, before I was gonna replace into this slot, I thought Blue was scum because of 726, because Black was town pinging me pretty hard at this point and her response in 727, which didn't feel like scum omgusing or crumbling under pressure, solidified my read there. As I said in

I do want to explain this though. This was me being the unorthodox player that I am. I was trying to see if people would come to Black's defense or pile up on her, but all that really happened was people defended Squirtle. 5036 from Sheep, 5037 from Norwee, 5043 and 5044 from Chandra, and Firebringer in 5045. I don't wanna divert from the Black townread, but Black even again responded to me in a townie way. Sorry I used you like that Black. :( I tell people there is always a method to my madness.

patchwork

Spoiler:

355 and then later with 360 made patchwork my biggest and strongest townread at that point in my readup. The only way patchwork highlights a scumgame to a townie who was pocketed is if 1) they are scum partners or 2) she is the towniest player this game has ever seen. But no.1 is just stupid because if they were partners there would be no need to even say this, they'd say it in the mafia pt. Patchwork is town here regardless of Kitty's alignment. Once I read that from patchwork, there was no need to read anything else. Even her talking to herself was the cutest thing I've ever seen. That was it for my read here.

Meuh

Spoiler:

Meuh's townread was and still is heavily inspired by patchwork. But Meuh has had her own set of townie posts as I mentioned before. 2322 is a Meuh post of the towniest variety. I lol'd because I felt it. I also liked 3108. Sheep was all "hahaha", Meuh was like "nah bruh, what you mean." And 3532 is another post that feels like town!Meuh, not to mention the jumping on/off of wagons, yeah.

Invisibility

Spoiler:

This slot is another townread of mine and anything or anyone that comes in it get townread. I like 737 from Invisibility because someone could say "hey Invis is jumping on Black's weak case, she must be scum", but the fact she does it unapologetically makes her town for me. I also like 893 because if her jumping onto Black's case was true as scum, then so would her completely agreeing with Black's assessment of Blue at the time. She disagrees in a way that is townie. Since that time Enchant and biancospino have occupied the slot and I've gotten town vibes from them both.

Mala

Spoiler:

I'm not reneging on my Mala townread in the slightest, but honestly Mala is a hard read. I mean she pulls the heart strings as both alignments. She lurks as both alignments, she both cares and doesn't care as both alignments. For all Math knows she is town and for all I know she is scum. I tend to just townread Mala all the time. Interestingly enough I haven't been wrong yet when I townread her. I have been wrong when I've scumread her.

These are my srongest townreads. The rest of my townreads with ranging degrees of townieness round out with Flavor Leaf, Titus, Wheme, Shirou, Cakez, Firebringer.

This leaves seven players where I legitimately believe the scum are:

Save the Dragons, Math, DGB/Kitty, Squirtle/Merlyn, Yimmy, Chandra, Not_Mafia

this is frustrating to me because you show a level of analysis far beyond anything you've done before in this game. like this is the same guy who's basically been omgus'ing exclusively through d2 and d3

If y'all wanna resolve this slot it will only be AFTER we resolve the Kitty slot.

VOTE: Kitty / DGB

this is funny i think. obviously i am not resolving your pet wagon before resolving you.

I both think blue is scummier than kitty AND think a blue elim is way more info.

this has some partnery vibes with Kitty.

Yup.

I strongly believe squirtle/merlyn is town. For mech reasons related to my role.
Italiano should be able to agree with me if he looks up my pokemon in the pokedex or something

I could maybe get behind Squirtle as town because of you guys' reads on him, but I don't really prefer mech over dayplay. At the end (before replacing out) he did say that maybe staying on this slot was pointless and kinda came to his senses, etc. But I still don't like how he interacted with this slot.

oh you can get behind squirtle town because he stopped pushing you? in 6170 he said he's "given up banging [his] head against the wall about italiano"? which he was hardly doing at all d3 anyway? what does coming to his senses mean?? nothing changed except he expressed that he was exhausted

like i can't deny that i'm a little tunneled here but it is very frustrating that you are painting pushing you as, like, crazy. like "coming to your senses" is just not pushing you. especially when none of the people you are crazy are the guy actually pushing you (me)

I assume you mean Mala, LLD, and Magical Girl?

Yes like maybe some people thought they were town but it's not like we were shooting for deep wolves here they were all scummy

That’s fair. I think scum have both directly and indirectly been driving this game that’s why I wanted to come in today and get ahead of it. Otherwise it would’ve been “oh well Mala was town, let’s kill Italiano or Meuh now”

that's funny that was exactly my limpool when i thought about it overnight. who is the scum that you were thinking would be driving the game in that direction?
like what i've seen on d3 was people were steered away from voting people they actually scumread and instead killed a lurker that had a miniscule case against them. like if someone came in today rallying against dgb/kittytacky that would be weird i think

Quick thoughts

I don't like FL/Meuh pushing for a Kitty/DGB lim. This would be the second lim in a row they've pushed on a lurky inactive slot that provides zero information on flip. They can't possibly think this is the best course of action? Flip slots that are only scummy because of their activity level? This is either scum pushing safe mislims or town playing poorly

i agree with the premise of the first part but i agree it's odd that black skipped over italiano here

Boss Battles
> During Cycle 4, Giratina will spawn.
> During the day, players must decide if they are going to fight Giratina or a wild encounter.
> While Giratina is alive, the Mafia gain and must use this ability during the day: During the Day Phase, if Giratina is alive: Target 1 player; announce that they are been sent into the Distortion World. This cannot fail. They must fight Giratina, also they lose -3 DEF during this fight. During this night phase, this player cannot be targeted or perform actions.
> It is announced who fought Giratina.
> Once all Giratina fights have been concluded, it is announced how much damage the boss took and who fainted to the boss.
> The Mafia will learn the HP values of everyone who fought Giratina.
> Defeating the boss will skip the following night phase

So according to this we have to decide whether we fight Girantina or a random Pokemon. Not really sure why we can fight some random wild encounter instead? Like what benefit would that be?

Mafia can use an ability to send someone to the distortion realm to fight Girantina. If we speed lim someone before they use this ability, what happens?

Mafia will learn HP values of everyone that fought Girantina. This is an incentive to not fight it and skip it, if possible

We skip night if we beat it, which would save a couple townies at the rate we're going, so that part does seem somewhat valuable

mafia could've easily talked about it overnight. speedliming is a very super silly idea

I think there is more information to get on pushing a Kitty wagon then actually getting it limmed.

i always think it's weird when people say stuff like this. i haven't played enough to develop my feelings specifically. anyway why did you decided it was right to expose your intentions here

I don't blame anyone for having second thoughts about me, but I do find trying to get the hardest one right now in this way to be pretty silly. If my actions are scummy to you, great - if you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater as a kneejerk reaction to our failure thus far, that's not helpful.

i don't understand, can you rephrase?

If Kitty is scum so is StD 2032

considering I was voting kitty at some point, going into my ISO and finding one instance of "kitty is ok" and going "they must be partnered" is extremely disingenuous.

i think it is really weird that everyone started looking for kitty associatives so fast. maybe not scummy, but weird (i would call it scummy i think but none of the people with actual experience are saying anything so i'm willing to defer there).

Italiano is town.

can you elaborate please?

YO HAVENT READ YET JUST WANNA POST

I KILLED MATH SORRY NOT SORRY HIT HIM WITH THAT 4 DMG
(they didn’t use any moves)

I AM FIGHTING GIRITINA

i respect that kill i think. this is a town post

DGB, Black, Bianco, STD

Is probably a team solve. At least 2 or 3 in there.

I’m gonna move away from VCA and go off gut.

hooray for moving away from vca!!

Okay. I have a scum read. This scum read is: Chandra.

Here is why. They should be defending me vigorously today, but they are not. They are doing the bare minimum of confirming that we had a private Topic together, at their instigation and that my power gave them something overnight. However, it should be abundantly clear to them that I am down by virtue of the nature of my gift. They are saying nothing about it. In the private topic, I told them I targeted with a gift. They asked me if I had scum reads, I said no, and that was it. They were not helpful when I hinted about needing assistance.

So they got that I sent them a gift, they got that I had no scum reads that might affect the scum team today, they know the nature of the gift, they are not helping me, and I believe the scum team is going after me today because they know the nature of the gifts I grant and they do not want me to give it to the town later in the game.

this is a townpost i think.

Italiano (10)

Titus, Merlyn,

Doctor Drew

,

Chandra Nalaar

,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Save the Dragons,

Meuh

,

Firebringer

,

SirCakez

,

LLD

Magical Girl (12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Bianco

,

Firebringer

,

Yimmy, Shirou, Malakittens, DrippingGoofBall,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez

,

Meuh

,

Mathblade

,

Black

On top of the Orange ones probably having scum, the Blue Differences could each contain scum, tbh. I'd be surprised if the Blue doesn't have scum in them.

There’s a lot more dead in the orange than the blue. That’s interesting.

yeah because people have been going coco for vca puffs. what do you think this means anyway?

Black has been nonexistent feeling the past few days, which is odd considering I felt they were a big part of things before.

I didn’t like how they kept hiding in the background and the game got distracted every time they were getting pressure. It’s happened like thrice.

I don’t have any new analysis on their slot that I wasn’t spouting before.

i never felt like black was a big part of things. also i pressed multiquote on this post so the little box would pop up

oh well Mala was town, let’s kill Italiano or Meuh now.
VOTE: italianovd
i remember thinking i should look at chandra as i caught up today. maybe i will. i townread her a lot overnight though

[Yimmy]

i'm really sad shirou is dead. i'll never get another chance to woo him

[DrippingGoofball]

Yimmy is town.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer’s pushed little to no agenda, and even under the push from Pink Ball, I just kinda liked how they reacted. I liked the e6 once my Chandra scum read went away, and DD flipped town.

my agenda is to push all the responsibility of this game onto Chandra because i find his getting annoyed at this clown show funny and think him running the show is more entertaining.

So probably just gonna continue cheering him on while i watch.
If he is scum good for him on leading this clown show though

[Firebringer]

I am the leader of a city of bozos.

Which perhaps makes me the greatest clown of all.

^^^^^
Leader of the ELite 6

cheering for u bud

[Chandra Nalaar]

Yimmy - here's a rephrase attempt: "I can understand if some of you suspect me based on my actions but I feel that some of the anti me sentiment is just coming from frustration with the game state and looking for someone to blame, and that's not valid"

Firebringer’s pushed little to no agenda, and even under the push from Pink Ball, I just kinda liked how they reacted. I liked the e6 once my Chandra scum read went away, and DD flipped town.

my agenda is to push all the responsibility of this game onto Chandra because i find his getting annoyed at this clown show funny and think him running the show is more entertaining.

So probably just gonna continue cheering him on while i watch.
If he is scum good for him on leading this clown show though

I hate that I can know this and still not be able to prevent myself from playing into it

[Chandra Nalaar]

I wish I could be in your scum PT woofbringer

[Firebringer]

pretending like ur not in it with me smh

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think Mala or LLD was VCA, not why I ended up voting them anyways.

LLD was obvious after the Day 1.

Everyone pushed Mala for I feel not delivering on promised content.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Yimmy - on what if they’re not there? VCA is a supplementary puzzle to read overall gamestate, but still needs the other stuff.

Like, VCA can be the bun, but just a bun doesn’t make up a hamburger

[Not_Mafia]

I don't eat the bun with a burger

[Titus]

@Yimmy - on what if they’re not there? VCA is a supplementary puzzle to read overall gamestate, but still needs the other stuff.

Like, VCA can be the bun, but just a bun doesn’t make up a hamburger

Sorry my VCA is all beef no gluten.

Why is Italiano still alive?

[ItalianoVD]

Your expectations are too high.

Okay then what's the solution? You need to step away and refresh? It's what I had to do, cause frankly I think you can do better than what you're doing, expectations or not.

Yimmy , I don't feel like going back and forth with you. The fact of the matter is in this game Kitty has not gotten any attention and as I pointed out in my iso (unfortunately I can't quote the post number cause the posts have been getting deleted and now they're off), Blue's wagon was the direct counter to it. I feel that we were all looking at the wrong wagon (LLD/Magical Girl) and this wagon has not been mentioned at all since it got to E-2. I don't think it's a coincidence. So someone's gonna have to come with a pretty compelling reason for why I

shouldn't

be voting and trying to resolve that.

Mind you this slot is the other slot from Day 1 that needs to be resolved and it should have been. Don't know what the vig/sk is doing unless they townread me, which is good because I'm gonna do all I can to solve this game before I do die. If you're town you need to focus on the task at hand and unfocus on me. As I said you or anyone else give me a good reason why Kitty/DGB is not the lim for today, otherwise join it.

[ItalianoVD]

Why is Italiano still alive?