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Roden He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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VOTE: Roden
This is only E-2 I think
I'm VT (technically all I received was Townie in my role PM, it didn't actually say Vanilla) but I'm clearly just a info flip so whatever
I was 99% sure on HEM being town until he started waffling. Town!HEM fakes confidence even when he's unsure. Don't let him worm out of the bullshit he pulled today.-
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HEM getting cold feet feels fake what? Not how I was imagining your read of Roden to be so weak it's shaken by thread consensus, now you want to take a shot in the dark over Roden who you were "99%" sure on
Roden self voting and saying its HEM and nothing else is suspicious-
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First off, not on the wagon or even talking abt it, I'm talking about my read of you. u seem like you'd be capable of suave scum talkingIn post 819, humaneatingmonkey wrote: this feels a lot like i got really confident on a bad read and now I'm being set up. wont be the first time to happen to me.
Remarks like this make my palms sweatIn post 788, Morning Tweet wrote: I guess the only worry is being tricked by Monkey since he's good? Pretty sure Roden will be able to show if monkey is actually scum. eventually.
Just please, if you're in this wagon, make sure you did your homework.
This is very strange
I think I'm probably overreacting (to human's icy feet)
Roden mmight be intentionally playing into my comment by switching to calling you scum he didnt really elaborate, it's such a fast switch, it seems kind of not real to me
I also hbad thought Roden was suspecting human earlier but he said it only just started now which confuses me
Rodennnnnnnn pls dont be town i would need more than "HUMAN pulling this bs *self vote*" in order to figure anything out-
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bro youre even getting cold feet
admit the wagon seems too good to be true-
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balance has been restored
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bro just understand it happened too fast i didnt even know there was appetite-
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i have trauma for shit like that. ill be confident on a read then find out my entire wagon had scum and now im set up for elim day 2 and day 3 no matter what i did-
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i understand waffling like that will make me look scummy
i didnt care
it needed to be said-
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Roden He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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In post 828, Morning Tweet wrote: HEM getting cold feet feels fake what? Not how I was imagining your read of Roden to be so weak it's shaken by thread consensus, now you want to take a shot in the dark over Roden who you were "99%" sure on
Roden self voting and saying its HEM and nothing else is suspicious
WhatIn post 829, Morning Tweet wrote: Roden what's the justification for self voting?
The entire past couples pages were filled with saying "Yeah let's kill Roden" and asking me to claim and give final reads
I'm VT I'm literally not gonna be spared just because I claimed no role, that's the best case scenario because now there isn't a guessing game in case I claim Doctor or something equivalent
I didn't say anything else because I assumed I was just gonna get hammered, and getting gaslit by HEM all day killed my investment in this game. That and I didn't think I had time to write anything substantial since 4th of July shit is throttling me at work.
UNVOTE:
I'll get into my thoughts on why these last few pages turned my read around on HEM when I get home. Because it's not just the fake cold feet BS, his interactions with Furtive are artificial and I think Furtive is also scummy.-
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Also HEM I'm intentionally ignoring you so don't bother asking questions or trying to get a response out of me, I don't care what you have to say-
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What an interesting couple of pages-
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In post 827, Morning Tweet wrote: That's HEM's worst page by far
I had the opposite instinct yet againIn post 828, Morning Tweet wrote: HEM getting cold feet feels fake what? Not how I was imagining your read of Roden to be so weak it's shaken by thread consensus, now you want to take a shot in the dark over Roden who you were "99%" sure on
Roden self voting and saying its HEM and nothing else is suspicious
I think HEM's hesitation feels genuine especially since it was backed up by an actual change in vote
But more strongly than that, I disliked Roden's self-vote thing and had the same reaction as HEM to that-
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I'm.glsd.you.think so.In post 841, Klick wrote: What an interesting couple of pages
Just want the flip-
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Then why aren't you voting?-
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Because there is no one I think has better than random odds of being scumIn post 844, Klick wrote: Then why aren't you voting?-
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I believe this claim, I'm open to killing curious.-
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Roden He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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In post 814, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
this is still true regardless of town or scum flip. with this amount of unanimity, this is probably a bus.In post 805, humaneatingmonkey wrote: clidd is definitely one of them. i'd have to wade through oopsie, elements, greeting. and maybe gerain.
greeting is there, not as scum in Roden's wagon, but as someone to watch out for. same with gerain (but gerain expressed willingness to be in any wagon except Daisy's)
This is just not a real thought process. HEM was complaining and rallying for my head for several days straight and nobody jumped on it. But in less than 15 minutes, he goes from "oh hey I finally got what I wanted, must be a bus" to "omg I'm totally being set up". The moment the wagon has actual momentum, suddenly he has cold feet. Why? Several people were contesting his read, and in Oopsie's case, she even voted him. He got challenged repeatedly and that just doesn't happen if outside forces were trying to lead him on into pursuing a mis-elim, especially since absolutely no one was goading his 1v1 with me on.In post 816, humaneatingmonkey wrote: this is real guys i am getting cold feet
In post 530, Elements wrote:
more likely one of you is scum than notIn post 528, Roden wrote:
How confident are you on this readIn post 480, Elements wrote: That exchange feels tvs
This comes the closest but they don't even goad us into arguing, if anything they seem like they want to cut it short and say "ok one of these two should go then"In post 544, Elements wrote: HEM and Roden are in a 1v1 that's taken over the day and are now the only viable lim options or this will continue in future days until it's resolved
This makes even less sense because he literally fought for my elim and was obnoxious as fuck about it. He choked up a good portion of the game just making it about me and didn't seem to want to entertain much outside of voting me out. Like in what universe can it be considered that anyone set him up when 100% of the push onto me came from him?? Nobody told him to scum read me. Nobody told him to conf bias me.In post 819, humaneatingmonkey wrote: this feels a lot like i got really confident on a bad read and now I'm being set up. wont be the first time to happen to me.
Remarks like this make my palms sweatIn post 788, Morning Tweet wrote: I guess the only worry is being tricked by Monkey since he's good? Pretty sure Roden will be able to show if monkey is actually scum. eventually.
Just please, if you're in this wagon, make sure you did your homework.
In post 610, Morning Tweet wrote:
No. I mean demonstrating it to you is a ridiculous ask.In post 608, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
It is ridiculous, right? Somehow Roden did it though. He judged that I'm not doing trickery given my entire body of posts and called me town.In post 603, Morning Tweet wrote: Human is asking Roden to prove something ridiculous ("How can you judge that I'm NOT doing trickery given my entire body of posts?")In post 611, Morning Tweet wrote: How can I prove the nonexistence of trickery across your 150 posts
That's what I mean is ridiculousIn post 612, humaneatingmonkey wrote: But HE DID. I'm just asking him for proof.
An entire interaction where HEM is being told he's being ridiculous. Tweet's literally trying to stop him from making a push that had no real meat to it.In post 614, Morning Tweet wrote: Its not ridiculous at all to think you're not being treacherous. At least in a vacuum
You're arguing that you're a pretty shifty guy that Roden absolutely shouldn't be able to say this abt
Roden's claiming that he can tell and thinks you're on the town side so far
It is interesting you've played as scum and town with him before and had 1v1s
But like, my point is saying that you're not being tricky isn't ridiculous. I find "How can you prove that I'm not being tricky?" as a response to that kind of overkill. How do you prove the nonexistence of something
You're asking for PROOF when Roden is explaing a read that's what doesnt make sense you can't prove someone hasn't been sus IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE
But no. Despite all of that, HEM somehow believes he's being set up.
In post 480, Elements wrote: That exchange feels tvsIn post 530, Elements wrote:
more likely one of you is scum than notIn post 528, Roden wrote:
How confident are you on this readIn post 480, Elements wrote: That exchange feels tvsIn post 531, Roden wrote:
Of course I do now, but I know it's because you reached a conclusion and didn't think it throughIn post 527, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
even now, roden? you don't feel particularly framed?In post 524, Roden wrote: framing what you did in a certain way so that people would vote you. Neither of those things happened.
I think it's pretty shitty play if you're scum because I don't think you make it past Day 2 if you go out of your way to mis-elim me, and I'm pretty sure scum!you would know that as wellTHISis the real reason HEM feels "set up". He knows he's just fucked tomorrow once I flip town. There's no actual reason to let him live past Day 2 when he spent so much time centralizing the game around a mis-elim and making zero effort to meaningfully interact with his top scum read. His entire case around me had nothing to do with any of my play, it was solely around the word "scheming" and everyone just kinda, accepted that. And tbh that makes him look even worse, because scum!HEM can passionately argue that I can't know if he's scheming or not if he is just scum and perspective slipped.-
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In post 659, humaneatingmonkey wrote: time for my subjective feelings:
furtive is missing a soul in this game.
It does not take much for HEM to come around to a town!Furtive read, or at least an implied town read since he doesn't want to actually commit to calling Furtive town. Look at their interactions between those two posts I quoted. HEM basically brings out the kiddie gloves, giving off zero aggression and only throwing him softball questions so he can explain his reads as concisely and with as much nuance as possible. It is a VASTLY different interaction than the one he had with me, even though he outright called Furtive soulless and implied that it was a scum tell. It comes across like he doesn't want Furtive to be shown in a negative light, and honestly Furtive doesIn post 708, humaneatingmonkey wrote: furtive no longer is soulless. i think he just ran out of fucks to give since i last saw himlooka lot townier after they finish talking.
However, there's a small problem here.
Furtive metas reads me as town, and he thinks HEM's case is baseless. Yet there's been zero objections to my wagon, unless you count this?In post 579, furtiveglance wrote:
His was a reasonable response to a pretty baseless attack, at least that's how I saw itIn post 523, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Whilst I've got you here, what makes Roden towny to you after the exchange with HEM?In post 483, furtiveglance wrote:
I did think you meant that one, just making sureIn post 482, Elements wrote: The one that just happened and is multiple pages long
I think Roden's towny
I townread Roden before that as well, I gather his scumgame is pretty threadbare
Pooky said in a previous game that if Roden posts he's town - idk how fair that is but it was accurate to that game.
Which doesn't accomplish much of anything. So why isn't Furtive doing anything to stop a wagon he believes will be a mis-elim? Why did he and HEM talk about reads on several other players but leave their completely opposite reads on me out of the conversation? They're ignoring the elephant in the room and it stands out to me.In post 780, furtiveglance wrote:
I don't want Roden to claim. I want clidd to claim!In post 774, humaneatingmonkey wrote: the greeting one is because i haven't townread greeting, and can be convinced to vote him if that's the only option open to me.
luckily, everyone seems down to see roden claim.-
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Roden is trying I'll take a vanilla claim who isn't.
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