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[Elements]

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[geraintm]

Present.
I've got nothing to bring to thr table

It not Day 1 anyone. the is a bucket of information.

at what point do you think your have something for the table?

i was checking in quickly was all

i looked at the votes to see if anthing made sense, but not really. roden really didn't help themselves, and Takutai went from Curious to no vote to the hammer. there is almost nothing to go on there.

i would normally look at the reasons people gave for their votes, but there wont be anything from the roden wagon

[OopsieDaisy]

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irl picture of elements

[furtiveglance]

That said, the individual I'd like to talk to at this point is Furtive.

Other than the suspicion expressed about me, there haven't been any other *expressive* instances to check out his perspective on the game.

VOTE: furtiveglance

What are your current impressions? (apart from my slot, of course).

You and Greeting remain my biggest scumreads. I'll go back and look at what Takutai was saying, I feel like they weren't really a UTR so maybe killed for their reads.

Could you expand on Greeting?

By extension, I would like to know your trs/townleans/nulls too. Basic impressions will suffice before we discuss them.

Greeting is playing super stiff and lifeless, and the push on me looks really calculated and opportunistic. Same with your vote really.

Another player I feel has massive scum equity is Geraint. Just fits the mold of scum coasting.

I think Elements, HEM, Daisy are all town.

Ckd has made some towny posts recently.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Greeting
Don't want to lock in too early but here's a statement of intent.

[clidd]

I think my only experience with scum Elements was modding HMS Mutiny, and their content was a lot more superficial/jokey than it has been this game.

Klick's posting has been broadly in line with my experience of his towngame, although I will say when I've played with scum Klick it took me a while to clock it.

I already explained my townread on Roden a bit in 579.

I have you as neutral just because I don't think you've done anything especially towny. Do you think you have?

The reason I asked was because I did not see that much towniness in

Elements

or

Klick

's behavior. I was confused as to why you are townreading both of them.

Do you have any examples from this game or other games?

@Furtive

Assuming that Greeting was voting for you opportunistically, what do you think of the above explanation?

What is the difference between scum!Greeting maliciously voting you and town!Greeting perplexed by your reads?

[furtiveglance]

I think Greeting voting me until I replied was scummy in itself.

[clidd]

There isn't much more to say, just early reads

Why those players?

VOTE: furtiveglance

I have my reasons, I will disclose them after you answer.

@Furtive

So you probably mean this post ^

In this case, wouldn't it be plausible for town!Greeting to vote before providing the reasons in order to pressure you further?

Or are you saying such vote alone is scummy in a vacuum?

Because going back to that time period, there were other votes taking place and Greeting did not use any momentum to vote you out.

[Greeting]

Greeting, Roden, Takutai
Day 1 solve

Any new guesses?

[Greeting]

im wondering why karmadog's other and stronger reads are conveniently left out of this "half sample", and I wonder if that could have been malicious.

i may have been pocketed but I don't know if I agree that ckd's posts are that much devoid of content. it saved me a lot of time having to ask him about his reads because I could already see the timeline of his progression.


Like this isn't even a real critique of his content. This is just personal style stuff.

I would also like you to elaborate why you don't buy karmadog's posts at all. Is it a specific read and progression? I'm truly curious because I want you to be town.

They were left out on purpose, obviously. I did, however, refer to them in that very same post.

My point was akin to what I said about

OopsieDaisy

in 307 early in the game, large volume gives the impression of a lot of content, which, I don't believe was the case with

curiouskarmadog

.

As for my read of him itself, if 90% of someone's content is notes and summary of the game state, then it should be grounds to raise anyone's eyebrow. I had ISO'd that player before casting a vote, and decided that it's worth a shot. Because I didn't really believe that

Roden

was scum.

His reaction to my vote was akin to hysteria, even though he himself had not voiced any great suspicion of me beforehand. Here's the read:

Greeting, ugh...null too. hops in, does a little dance party full of questions and light-thoughts...jumps out again. didnt hammer Roden (follow back up if there is a Roden flip). I need to see more from this slot.

[Greeting]

For the record, me jumping in and out is just the way I play due to personal reasons (work and timezone differences). It is very unlikely to change. It is only today that I have a day off.

[Greeting]

did you have the problem with the walls of text in this game we were in together?

viewtopic.php?t=90681

where I was town....and posted said walls when I had to catch up.

Yes, I did! Not just yours though, there was a lot of high-volume content in that game in general. That's why I replaced out of that game, I simply could not catch up.

Did you forget to mention my replacing out on purpose?

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

[Morning Tweet]

The big thing I got rereading is rhat curious dog is probably town. Posdibly my biggest living townread actually now that Takutai died

[Greeting]

greeting is another good option, similar levels of inaction to furtive, with the actions themselves not reflecting great on either.

Yeah, I have a question. Which actions of mine don't reflect great on me?

I have not been as active as many players in this game, agreed. Nonetheless, I did form several reads from my questioning of several players (yourself,

furtiveglance

) and observing others (

hem

,

Roden

)?

If you are referring to my last-minute

curiouskarmadog

vote then what's so bad about it? I chose the option that, in my opinion, had a higher chance of flipping red than

Roden

, and his extremely nervous reaction to the vote seems to be proving that I might be onto something?

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Greeting I'm still interested in this slot.

What motivation exists in order for Greeting to kill Takutai?

I rememebr Takutai townlocking Greeting and not being interested in pushing there whatsoever

There are three scum, why are you singling Greeting out?

[Morning Tweet]

Present.
I've got nothing to bring to thr table

It not Day 1 anyone. the is a bucket of information.

at what point do you think your have something for the table?

i was checking in quickly was all

i looked at the votes to see if anthing made sense, but not really. roden really didn't help themselves, and Takutai went from Curious to no vote to the hammer. there is almost nothing to go on there.

i would normally look at the reasons people gave for their votes, but there wont be anything from the roden wagon

The only thing you think could possibly be helpful is Rodens wagon and even that isn't useful?

I don't get it, what exactly are you using to determine alignments if not that wagon

I get that a lot of ppl weren't exactly on board with it but ppls opinions are still theirs and they still make AI choices

[Morning Tweet]

Greeting does something about the way curiousdog responds to your vote ping you, or is it just the large volume of content but without towniness?

You're mentioning the way curious reads you seems fake, is that a significant part of your read?

[Greeting]

Greeting does something about the way curiousdog responds to your vote ping you, or is it just the large volume of content but without towniness?

You're mentioning the way curious reads you seems fake, is that a significant part of your read?

Perhaps I did not phrase that very well.
The core of my read was: large amount of useless, from the perspective of game-solving, content (aka walls of text) and contentless reads. Like I said before, in 1189 he had numerous reads which essentially amounted to null. Some people seem to have a problem with me leaving out the rest of the reads (even though I had mentioned them in 1216), so let's get to that now by picking some of the ones that have content:

Fur, also top scum pick. HEM nailed it, no soul in this game. Votes a lame, stances are phoned in. I want to see him push a case. coasting. says he doesnt like a thing, then does that thing. hiding in plan sight scum.

I have been pushing

furtiveglance

for like half of Day 1 and he seemed both apathetic and slightly annoyed. Now he's pushing me. It's NAI at worst and towny at best. At least that's my opinion.

clidd, also part of the "to be honest" club (man I will be horrible to live with if both you AND OD are scum together). I am leaning scum/null here. Hasnt done much. Hasnt made waves. also coasting. Also have trouble understanding they "why" behind his reads.

I have been very consistently townreading

clidd

, and I feel like his reads are well-explained and generally coming from a town point of view.

I do agree with the

humaneatingmonkey

read, but that's about all that me and

curiouskarmadog

have in common. Other than that it's just pure opposites and the reason for this, I think, is because the reads are fake.

Now, let's take his reaction to my vote. He countered it with wagoning me almost instantly. The core of his argument being that I did not have a problem with his walls of text in a past game. Thing is, I did, and the high volume of content in that game was exactly the reason why I had replaced out of that game. I don't really feel like this game has the same amount of high-volume content as the other and anyone can do a recap on their own.

Finally, I have a problem with the hypocritical argument that the reasons for me pushing

ckd

are related to his playstyle (doing recaps in the main thread), whereas part of the reason why I am being pushed are my irregular patterns of activity, which are well, related to my playstyle. That's bullshit in plain sight and I'm honestly surprised that no one had caught that before.

All of this summed up does not look well for

curiouskarmadog

and I am willing to keep voting that slot.

[Greeting]

Ok I think ckd's recent posting has been towny. Especially interactions with Greeting.

What's so towny about it?

[Greeting]

VOTE: Greeting I'm still interested in this slot.

Why?

[Greeting]

Also what was the purpose of this post.

Wait, is he at E-1 or has he been hammered?

also what was the purpose of the this post. Other than letting everyone know you were posting when he was at -1. Did you really think there was a possibility he was already hammered by this post?

I wanted to know if it was twilight or not. Because if it is then all that's left to do is wait for the flip.

[Greeting]

Anyway, @

furtive

, you had said that I am being stiff in this game. Do you believe that my meta in here differs to when I am town? You have played with both town me and scum me, so you should know that if you're bringing that up?

Also, if you could respond to 1393?

[geraintm]

Present.
I've got nothing to bring to thr table

It not Day 1 anyone. the is a bucket of information.

at what point do you think your have something for the table?

i was checking in quickly was all

i looked at the votes to see if anthing made sense, but not really. roden really didn't help themselves, and Takutai went from Curious to no vote to the hammer. there is almost nothing to go on there.

i would normally look at the reasons people gave for their votes, but there wont be anything from the roden wagon

The only thing you think could possibly be helpful is Rodens wagon and even that isn't useful?

I don't get it, what exactly are you using to determine alignments if not that wagon

I get that a lot of ppl weren't exactly on board with it but ppls opinions are still theirs and they still make AI choices

I like making use of actual actions, votes, I like to see if people's votes were consistent with their other ones, if they look out of place, if they are attempts to alter the flow of the game.

But that wagon yesterday doesn't help at all.

I'm not clever enough to go off of feelings on how people are playing and that making them scum

[OopsieDaisy]

VOTE: Greeting I'm still interested in this slot.

What motivation exists in order for Greeting to kill Takutai?

I rememebr Takutai townlocking Greeting and not being interested in pushing there whatsoever

There are three scum, why are you singling Greeting out?

Because HEM is pushing there. I wanted to explore why.

Unless you mean like, why am I examining Greeting's motivations for killing Takutai specifically rather than thinking about it as a team thing? In which case, it's because I'm usually a lot better at analysing individual motivations/pairs than I am at the associations around a triple threat. I'm seeing the flaws in that method now cause well, it's a three scum team and the other two scum coulda had great Takutai kill reasonings, but it's the mindset I was using at the time.

[OopsieDaisy]

greeting is another good option, similar levels of inaction to furtive, with the actions themselves not reflecting great on either.

Yeah, I have a question. Which actions of mine don't reflect great on me?

I have not been as active as many players in this game, agreed. Nonetheless, I did form several reads from my questioning of several players (yourself,

furtiveglance

) and observing others (

hem

,

Roden

)?

If you are referring to my last-minute

curiouskarmadog

vote then what's so bad about it? I chose the option that, in my opinion, had a higher chance of flipping red than

Roden

, and his extremely nervous reaction to the vote seems to be proving that I might be onto something?

Yea at the time I was unsure what the Roden flip would be but held the CKD townread I still have. You not being on the Roden wagon and instead at the last minute looking to get CKD out pinged me super hard since I felt the CKD wagon was bogus. Obvs now that flips have happened I can see that means a lot less as Roden was townie.