Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Aureal]

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

[Save The Dragons]

here's a town wall i posted that helped solve the game

viewtopic.php?p=13751825#p13751825

[Abnegation]

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

why do you have to post the exact thing i was going to post?

[Radical Rat]

here's a town wall i posted that helped solve the game

viewtopic.php?p=13751825#p13751825

Yeah, alright you can stay for now.

Back to trying to avoid meta reads for me.

[Radical Rat]

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

what if...WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

Don't play my paranoia like this, I already have a problem being an easy pocket

[usesPython]

here's a town wall i posted that helped solve the game

viewtopic.php?p=13751825#p13751825

I feel like the difference between those two games was the scum!StD walled in like the first 10 pages and town!StD walled after 150 pages but we're too lazy to go check your other games to see if the pattern holds so you can be town for now

[Abnegation]

anyway someone, think it was sheep, wasn't sure why i was townreading aureal.
it's a vibe. can't really explain it. i just look at her posts and let the towniness wash over me.

[usesPython]

anyway someone, think it was sheep, wasn't sure why i was townreading aureal.
it's a vibe. can't really explain it. i just look at her posts and let the towniness wash over me.

I actually don't get the town vibes from Aureal

[Aureal]

like let's focus in on aureal for fun. aureal has done nothing wolfy to me and I could totally see her as town. but like, I know she's physically capable of being insanely towny. the second she subbed into the last game I played with her, she immediately made posts that were like wow that's some of the most pure in-depth stuff ive read.

OH NO HE'S DOING THIS WEIRD POCKET AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

srsly wut

I was so insanely towny they would've gotten me miseliminated instead of scumsheep if scum hadn't decided to bus. x_X

sheep isn't playing at all like he did that game so I'm not feeling him scum here at the moment but I dunno where this comes from.

so the fact that she hasn't done that here is like slightly >rand wolf by poe, even if that's an unfair expectation. she also apparently hasn't wolfed before which makes it feel valid to be like "she's wolf struggling to get into the game!” is my best guess rn. I dont rly support her inclusion in the current proposal altho I havent seen why abnegation townreads her

I feel like merlyn fits that “lackluster” description enough as well meh

And yes we went over my lack of proper scum meta already too so I dunno where this comes from. I have precisely one non-ancient scum game and it was multiball. So I have been wolf but have fun trying to figure out my scum meta from that when I was playing 95% the same as I would if town.

[Radical Rat]

i think my paranoid brain wants to scum read python

Personally, I think changing their mind on you for the nightmare despite already having a compromise available is what pushed Python from probably Town to lockTown, if that helps.

Scum!Python wouldn't have had any incentive to double check your meta, and probably wouldn't have gone through those negotiations anyway since Python being in the Nightmare would already guarantee a scum presence.

[Save The Dragons]

HEAL: old vote
HURT: Save the dragons, Radical Rat, Ranger, Kyoko, Katykimfanclub, Python, Titus, Dr. Drew

[Aureal]

Ranger as usual youre screaming town and using a lot of reinforcive statements.

Who isnt town in your PoV?

What os a reinforcive statement?

Any time "town" is said, its amended with stuff like "which I am" - its brute forcing that narrative into peoples minds which is an interesting approach from her.

Interesting in what way exactly? I think I'm on the same page as you here, but it sounds like you have more experience with her than I do.

[Aureal]

Is there anyone you think might be scum so far?

That's a tough question because all I have are gut vibes and gutreads. It's Day 1; I don't have any tangible evidence to start making associations. Typically once Day 2 begins is when I start to find my feet and can better make state of the game terrain. So currently, no, not really. Chances are high that someone I'm reading as Town could be Scum, but that's not saying much. I do have prior experience with Titus on my main, so that one does kind of scare me because it's really hard to tell Scum/Town Titus apart. I'm half-tempted to pressure Merlyn over ignoring my posts but I'm thinking I'd just be spinning me wheels.

This feels like a rather towny response. Scum here more likely feels like they need to come up with a scumread when asked like this. Instead we get forthright acknowledgment that Nurse just doesn't really have any yet. And struggling to come up with much for scumreads sort of seems like where a lot of us are.

[usesPython]

anyway someone, think it was sheep, wasn't sure why i was townreading aureal.
it's a vibe. can't really explain it. i just look at her posts and let the towniness wash over me.

I actually don't get the town vibes from Aureal

nvm the vibes are back

[usesPython]

like let's focus in on aureal for fun. aureal has done nothing wolfy to me and I could totally see her as town. but like, I know she's physically capable of being insanely towny. the second she subbed into the last game I played with her, she immediately made posts that were like wow that's some of the most pure in-depth stuff ive read.

OH NO HE'S DOING THIS WEIRD POCKET AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

srsly wut

I was so insanely towny they would've gotten me miseliminated instead of scumsheep if scum hadn't decided to bus. x_X

sheep isn't playing at all like he did that game so I'm not feeling him scum here at the moment but I dunno where this comes from.

so the fact that she hasn't done that here is like slightly >rand wolf by poe, even if that's an unfair expectation. she also apparently hasn't wolfed before which makes it feel valid to be like "she's wolf struggling to get into the game!” is my best guess rn. I dont rly support her inclusion in the current proposal altho I havent seen why abnegation townreads her

I feel like merlyn fits that “lackluster” description enough as well meh

And yes we went over my lack of proper scum meta already too so I dunno where this comes from. I have precisely one non-ancient scum game and it was multiball. So I have been wolf but have fun trying to figure out my scum meta from that when I was playing 95% the same as I would if town.

nvm the nvm this feels pretty performative

[Aureal]

for all we know, scum could have noticed that ranger was making

drew

puns and put him in there to cast suspicion. idk.

^
that might implicate kirigiri if true but it's just a theory.

This would be the other possible explanation if Ranger didn't do it. But like, scum are on the ball enough to immediately pick up on Ranger making weird Drew jokes for no reason and decide to set up a frame... and then just sit around for days hoping town picks up on the hints to go after the Ranger/Drew thing? The timing doesn't make sense. Rat started prodding Ranger about it right away but that was just because of the timing and Ranger's view on Drew. If scum wanted heat on Ranger/Drew for it, doesn't it seem like they would point out the supposed crumbing sooner?

yeah, the timing is what i was going to look at and forgot to.
what i don't get is why those two things are necessarily connected. if anti-town!ranger needs drew in the nightmare or thinks she might want to use that ability on him, making puns about specifically him doesn't seem like a smart idea because it connects them. am i wrong to think that's something that was bound to get read into?

Well that would be where the traitor or somesuch speculation comes in. If they were just regular scum together obviously dropping crumbs is silly, unless they're going for some galaxy-brain convoluted gambit. The crumbs would mean Ranger was wanting Drew to be able to figure out who did it, while not being too obvious to the others who perhaps don't care so much.

People are saying "well it's too obvious" but is it really? It took days for the crumbs to be connected, by Kyoko who was doing catchup. I feel like that's hindsight talking. It's obvious

once you've seen it

but if it was that obvious we'd all have seen it right away without Kyoko needing to point it out. That's why I'm thinking Kyoko town. I don't know why scum would want to point out crumbs that town has missed, except if they were setting up a frame, but I've already talked about how that doesn't seem at all likely.

[Aureal]

We really should be voting for at least seven people, as that's the requirement for Normal Invention, which most everyone agrees is the best option

Oh, actually. We need to vote for at least four (because five is the minimum and Drew is already in) but I don't see why we can't do another proposal afterwards to add more people to get to seven. Since we seem to be struggling to get a consensus after the first few consensus townreads, it might be easier to work with that way- get more consensus people confirmed then scrap over the last couple.

[Aureal]

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

why do you have to post the exact thing i was going to post?

Because WhAt If wE tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

[usesPython]

We really should be voting for at least seven people, as that's the requirement for Normal Invention, which most everyone agrees is the best option

Oh, actually. We need to vote for at least four (because five is the minimum and Drew is already in) but I don't see why we can't do another proposal afterwards to add more people to get to seven. Since we seem to be struggling to get a consensus after the first few consensus townreads, it might be easier to work with that way- get more consensus people confirmed then scrap over the last couple.

I would rather have a 7-8 person proposal get passed through plurality rules just in case scum have a hammerer. Can we just pretend we passed a 5 person proposal without actually doing it?

[Abnegation]

for all we know, scum could have noticed that ranger was making

drew

puns and put him in there to cast suspicion. idk.

^
that might implicate kirigiri if true but it's just a theory.

This would be the other possible explanation if Ranger didn't do it. But like, scum are on the ball enough to immediately pick up on Ranger making weird Drew jokes for no reason and decide to set up a frame... and then just sit around for days hoping town picks up on the hints to go after the Ranger/Drew thing? The timing doesn't make sense. Rat started prodding Ranger about it right away but that was just because of the timing and Ranger's view on Drew. If scum wanted heat on Ranger/Drew for it, doesn't it seem like they would point out the supposed crumbing sooner?

yeah, the timing is what i was going to look at and forgot to.
what i don't get is why those two things are necessarily connected. if anti-town!ranger needs drew in the nightmare or thinks she might want to use that ability on him, making puns about specifically him doesn't seem like a smart idea because it connects them. am i wrong to think that's something that was bound to get read into?

Well that would be where the traitor or somesuch speculation comes in. If they were just regular scum together obviously dropping crumbs is silly, unless they're going for some galaxy-brain convoluted gambit. The crumbs would mean Ranger was wanting Drew to be able to figure out who did it, while not being too obvious to the others who perhaps don't care so much.

People are saying "well it's too obvious" but is it really? It took days for the crumbs to be connected, by Kyoko who was doing catchup. I feel like that's hindsight talking. It's obvious

once you've seen it

but if it was that obvious we'd all have seen it right away without Kyoko needing to point it out. That's why I'm thinking Kyoko town. I don't know why scum would want to point out crumbs that town has missed, except if they were setting up a frame, but I've already talked about how that doesn't seem at all likely.

hmm, i don't think i scumread ranger but the hindsight thing is a good point.

[Doctor Drew]

I can assure everyone that unless it is unknown to me, that I am not a savior or lawyer or any of that.

I don't know what Ranger's role is, but whatever their intent is it is independent of my role(again, unless some wackadoo bastard shit).

I

Drew

feel that Ranger is a viable lime today though.

She probably isn't too bad as a lemon as well.

*viable lim

Do you? What exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean you would

support

a Ranger elimination? Or just that you think it's possible?

I mean 'viable lim' means I would support a Ranger lim.....or even lime.

[Abnegation]

@aureal - who would you put in the initial 5-person proposal?

[Aureal]

nvm the nvm this feels pretty performative

Cool, I love being performative.

We really should be voting for at least seven people, as that's the requirement for Normal Invention, which most everyone agrees is the best option

Oh, actually. We need to vote for at least four (because five is the minimum and Drew is already in) but I don't see why we can't do another proposal afterwards to add more people to get to seven. Since we seem to be struggling to get a consensus after the first few consensus townreads, it might be easier to work with that way- get more consensus people confirmed then scrap over the last couple.

I would rather have a 7-8 person proposal get passed through plurality rules just in case scum have a hammerer. Can we just pretend we passed a 5 person proposal without actually doing it?

Hmmm, not a bad point. Having pretend proposals sounds like all sorts of fun chaos. XD

How about if everyone makes a list sorting who they do/don't/maybe support to help figure out who's consensus/viable?

Yes: Radical Rat, Save the Dragons, usesPython, Abnegation, Titus, Kyoko Kirigiri, Aureal
Maybe: Dragoneater70, Morning Tweet, sheepsaysmeep, Random Nurse, KatyKimFanclub, Flea the Magician, camelCasedSnivy
No: Ranger, Rautherdir, WhemeStar, Merlyn

[Abnegation]

my list is pretty similar to your list.
i went through the people in playerlist order, the order people are listed here does not reflect the strengths of my reads.

already in: doctor drew
yes: dragoneater70, radical rat, titus, usespython, abnegation, aureal
maybe: random nurse, katykimfanclub, save the dragons, camelcasedsnivy, sheepsaysmeep
mayyyyyyybe: morning tweet, kyoko kirigiri, flea the magician
no: ranger, whemestar, rautherdir, merlyn

[sheepsaysmeep]

Yes: Radical Rat, usesPython, sheepsaysmeep

Prob: DragonEater70, Ranger, Morning Tweet, Doctor Drew, camelCasedSnivy, Abnegation. as well as Aureal I think her response to me was gut villagery idk lol

could compromise if necessary: Save The Dragons, Kyoko Kirigirl

Not rly interested in including: Random Nurse, KatyKimFanClub, Titus, Flea The Magician, WhemeStar, Rautherdir, Merlyn