Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[Doctor Drew]

Wheme votes bad.

VOTE: Merlyn

you said she had town energy, what changed? were you convinced by python's reaction test?

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

[Doctor Drew]

Wheme votes bad.

VOTE: Merlyn

you said she had town energy, what changed? were you convinced by python's reaction test?

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

VC happens and see Merlyn is the main wagon.

Oh No, let's move votes off her.

Puh......lease.

[WhemeStar]

I dont think town is going to win this game if their best read is someone who isn’t posting

[WhemeStar]

But town might not win tbis game if I don’t try and solve

[WhemeStar]

I’m also a firm believer in meta reads and use them a lot to read people so if Ranger wants to explain theirs on me I’m more than happy to debunk it

[Abnegation]

Wheme votes bad.

VOTE: Merlyn

you said she had town energy, what changed? were you convinced by python's reaction test?

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

the changes you mentioned before were about ranger unless i'm missing something.
i'm voting wheme because idk who to vote and lurker go yeet. i don't actually have a strong preference for merlyn or wheme wagon though.

p-edit: hmm, i kind of like that theory. still don't know who to vote but maybe a merlyn red flip would be more informative.

[Aureal]

Sure but from Aureals perspective it should have been chronologically impossible for her to conclude you couldn't be masons with Drew due to your effort spent sorting Drew because you didn't publicly do it until after Aureal expressed doubts about you being masons with Drew

Much as I suspect Aureal, my Doctor Drew read visibly shifted in my lists prior to publicly expressing reasons. That's enough to generate "not masons", so if Aureal's scum, it's not for this.

If that was the case then 1178 wouldn't be a thing because she'd be able to point to those shifts as the reasoning instead of assuming phantom memories (which I can believe too but still)

???????

Why the heck am I randomly getting dropped into this conversation? It doesn't seem like you actually have a problem with my admittedly un-thorough explanation, you just said you can believe I would have memories like that, didn't you? Are you just trying to rag on me because I didn't feel like linking specific posts? Have some posts, then: 561, 601, 836, 837. How you could read 836/837 in particular as mason-like seems pretty lol to me, I don't think a mason is likely to jerk their supposed read on their partner around unprompted like that. "My partner is a scumread" next post "nvm I think he's town now". Like, here's the sequence of events that you apparently seem to think involves time travel or something:

You say in 889 to read page 34 (because you think she's mason)
I do so and respond to this in 950 being uncertain why you think she's town because I've picked up that you might think she's mason but I have trouble believing it myself.
Ranger made it clear she's not masons with Drew in 962.
Now that the masonry is explicitly disavowed, I openly say in 1158 that I wasn't reading Ranger as mason.

What exactly is the problem here?? All of these things come after those four posts where Ranger does talk about a read on Drew. Ranger herself thinks she's spent effort trying to explain her read on Drew, that's literally what I respond to in the last post there. Why did we even bring this up again like it's confusing or even had anything to do with your conversation?

[Aureal]

It's a lot of words (in a post complaining about someone using a lot of words) to make the point "I'm town therefore pushing me is bad and suspicious." Which is crap. Because 1) everyone is going to say they're town but some are lying, and 2) townies don't know who all is town so they're gonna push town a lot, analyzing the reasoning for the push is needed.

This is a funny way of agreeing with my own logic as the 'lot of words' explained why I felt the push was suspicious by analyzing the reasoning for the push and concluding Kyoko Kirigiri's push was +scum.

Scum can use the "a lot of words that don't say much" tactic, yes. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that? I think the way you try to twist my words here to make it seem like you're right and I'm agreeing with you is another example of why I think the way you're acting is scummy. That scum could be using a particular tactic like that is generally understood. Whether someone is doing so as scum in a particular instance is a matter everyone is going to have their own opinion on. You think Kyoko's are likely an example. I think yours are likely an example. The fact that we both think scum might use this tactic is not "a funny way of agreeing" with your logic, it's just a fact that we both have this knowledge because we have some experience playing this game called Mafia.

[Aureal]

i don't think that only posting puns = town. i was townreading ranger individually already, but i forget why.

There's a real easy solution to this if you can spare the time.

A real easy solution to remembering why she townread you? You're not peddling some quack substance to enhance memories, are you?

[Aureal]

if she's scum, she's one of the ones I think could successfully leverage a nightmare presence to her advantage.

I'm honored by the respect shown to my scumgame. Given my recent scum neighborhood performance, it's likely warranted. Still, this respect shouldn't deny optimal play. If you think there's a reasonable chance I'm town, then paranoia's no reason to keep me out.

And again here, you feel like you're pushing a narrative. Has Rat been indicating they feel a reasonable chance you're town? A quick iso shows just a few posts earlier they're feeling "iffy" about you and expressing a lot of concern. That doesn't sound like someone who's thinking there's a reasonable chance you're town, but you're coming at this from that angle anyway.

[Aureal]

I have a moral opposition to actually eliminating empty slots without hard evidence. I know it's annoying, and unlikely to change any minds, but the replacement deserves the chance to attempt some kind of defense.

I wouldn't really call Merlyn's slot 'empty' though? She wasn't acting like she was busy or anything, just... not doing much but expressing irritation that people would be suspicious of her.

[Radical Rat]

I have a moral opposition to actually eliminating empty slots without hard evidence. I know it's annoying, and unlikely to change any minds, but the replacement deserves the chance to attempt some kind of defense.

I wouldn't really call Merlyn's slot 'empty' though? She wasn't acting like she was busy or anything, just... not doing much but expressing irritation that people would be suspicious of her.

Empty as in it is not currently occupied by a player.

[Aureal]

Wheme votes bad.

VOTE: Merlyn

you said she had town energy, what changed? were you convinced by python's reaction test?

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

VC happens and see Merlyn is the main wagon.

Oh No, let's move votes off her.

Puh......lease.

I... am very confused by what you're even trying to do here.

[usesPython]

Paranoia theory: Drew is a secret hydra

[Aureal]

I have a moral opposition to actually eliminating empty slots without hard evidence. I know it's annoying, and unlikely to change any minds, but the replacement deserves the chance to attempt some kind of defense.

I wouldn't really call Merlyn's slot 'empty' though? She wasn't acting like she was busy or anything, just... not doing much but expressing irritation that people would be suspicious of her.

Empty as in it is not currently occupied by a player.

Yeah, but it was. That's probably about all of what we're going to have to work with. Honestly I think the odds of getting a replacement who's going to jump into a 70-page 19-player game and get serious enough to turn the slot around before deadline are not great.

[usesPython]

Paranoia theory: Drew is a secret hydra

Explains the Drew/

Drew

thing and can be done with a PT + a post restriction that forces him to post what's said there

[usesPython]

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

Is this from Drew or

Drew

?

VC happens and see Merlyn is the main wagon.

Oh No, let's move votes off her.

Puh......lease.

Is this from Drew or

Drew

?

[Radical Rat]

I have a moral opposition to actually eliminating empty slots without hard evidence. I know it's annoying, and unlikely to change any minds, but the replacement deserves the chance to attempt some kind of defense.

I wouldn't really call Merlyn's slot 'empty' though? She wasn't acting like she was busy or anything, just... not doing much but expressing irritation that people would be suspicious of her.

Empty as in it is not currently occupied by a player.

Yeah, but it was. That's probably about all of what we're going to have to work with. Honestly I think the odds of getting a replacement who's going to jump into a 70-page 19-player game and get serious enough to turn the slot around before deadline are not great.

I recognize this, and scum have managed to slip by because I've done this before. But it still never sits right with me. We're here to play a social game with other people, and rushing through a slot with no person feels antithetical to that is all.

WhemeStar conversely, is a slot that IS occupied by a player with an opportunity to play, but has consistently done basically nothing except make vague promises of doing things later. I always struggle to read lurkers, but it's better than nothing, the support is there, and I don't have to feel guilty about doing it.

[Radical Rat]

Wheme votes bad.

VOTE: Merlyn

you said she had town energy, what changed? were you convinced by python's reaction test?

As I mentioned before, things have changed a bit in regards to my reads.

And I hate this Wheme push.

VC happens and see Merlyn is the main wagon.

Oh No, let's move votes off her.

Puh......lease.

Merlyn's been the main wagon for a good while now. Why would it have taken so long to move if this is the case?

[Aureal]

Paranoia theory: Drew is a secret hydra

Explains the Drew/

Drew

thing and can be done with a PT + a post restriction that forces him to post what's said there

Huh.

That actually almost makes too much sense.

[usesPython]

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

And while you are at it, hear me out as well.

This is probably the clearest instance of the hydra thing happening

[Radical Rat]

... That's just correcting a typo with a joke

[usesPython]

I didn't see the typo

[Radical Rat]

F

[WhemeStar]

So does no one want to join me on Ranger