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[SirCakez]

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

and not pushing to find out info anywhere

Like okay this stuff is valid I understand where's she's coming from. But that was like five days ago.

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

It's a little early for that to be an issue, I think.

I think I only have like two games with him and they were a while back, but in the one I remember most I was scum vs town!Cakez and your description doesn't sound far off from his play there. He caught me pretty early on so I know he can hunt when it comes down to it.

isnt cakez a "good player" though?? drew seems to think so at least!

if drews confident hes town then im confident cakez will come in and give us some hella good reads to make me change my mind!!!

cakez will lead us to victory! everyone needs to believe in our angelic god cakez!!!!

There was this post which was just whatever.

i still dont like cakez LOL

VOTE: sircakez

can we just vote cakez out pls

bcuz hes scum

And then the remainder is this riveting scum hunting here. Your read literally has not progressed at all but you act like you've solved the game already. Pretty lame push.

[Deal With The Devil]

I don’t open wolf on Day 1 as wolf.

I open wolf on like D4.

I would disagree, but there is some hindsight involved in my assessment.

Looks more like you’re trying to distract me before I can get into the game and solve.

No I am trying to light a fire under your ass so you can spew one way or another.

Camel, my strongest town read, so sussing out a few of the people pushing there.

why is camel such a strong townread

Hmm, must have just seen this backwards, Alianna, in conjunction with seeing the name on the page i thought hounding was.

There were a lot of M’s.

I guess Marci isn’t one of the hounds, at least not one of camel hounds.

They my hound now.

Townie points for Alianna tbh

-Drew

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, potato tomato same thing

[SirCakez]

bcuz hes scum

I'll rephrase then, why do you still think he's scum?
If it's the same stuff as before, then I'll just agree to disagree because I don't find any of that scummy.

- Alianna

no the reason is because he hasnt done anything that i find towny enough to doubt my original read. hes 100% scum

ILL MAKE SURE TO LIST YOU AS A SCUM ENABLER IN MY VERY EXCLUSIVE READSLISTS THAT I NEVER MAKE

Oh I missed this too which is just basically Alianna pointing out what I just said

[Flavor Leaf]

Why do you need to light the fire, I feel there was a fire already burning, and we had enough kindling?

Feels like you were trying to just pour a bunch of gasoline when we’re making a simple camp fire

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I did some ISOing to verify what you were saying and unfortunately for me and my lack of scumreads this game your claims about talking about votes every game early day one check out - it's more specific meta then just the lackadaisical Penguin meta I was thinking of

I remember you said you didn't care about his meta. What made you do this and reconsider?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also what does lackadaisical penguin meta mean?

[SirCakez]

Basically my impression of Penguins meta is that he powers up later in the game and doesn't do too much early on which happens regardless of his alignment. But I was arguing that his post that pinged me was scummy regardless of that meta. But then he pointed out that he was very specifically looking into the votes on day one for his play and I went back and did ISOs and saw that ya it was NAI

[SirCakez]

Which is really frustrating bc I felt good about that read so now I'm in my current spot in the bushes looking for new scumspects

[Deal With The Devil]

Why do you need to light the fire, I feel there was a fire already burning, and we had enough kindling?

Feels like you were trying to just pour a bunch of gasoline when we’re making a simple camp fire

Not far off actually.

It is funny, I told Alianna not to try to suss you out on D1, yet here I am bringing the fire and brimstone.

But I am the Devil after all

-Drew

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Basically my impression of Penguins meta is that he powers up later in the game and doesn't do too much early on which happens regardless of his alignment. But I was arguing that his post that pinged me was scummy regardless of that meta. But then he pointed out that he was very specifically looking into the votes on day one for his play and I went back and did ISOs and saw that ya it was NAI

ok so 585 is what made you go do some meta?

I think that's possible, but you also checked into the game two separate times (586 and 599 just going off of the timestamps) before unvoting. I know you're someone who catches up chronologically like me. Why did you unvote later?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also what was the "ugh" in 586 in response to?

[Roden]

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

and not pushing to find out info anywhere

Like okay this stuff is valid I understand where's she's coming from. But that was like five days ago.

this cruel cruel game sucks because i can't tell who is partners with cakez yet..

Why Cakez?

Hes doing this thing where hes complaining but doing nothing to fix the problem. It makes it look like hes here, but hes really just doing nothing. Usually people would just not say anything about having no reads unless theyre prompted.

It's a little early for that to be an issue, I think.

I think I only have like two games with him and they were a while back, but in the one I remember most I was scum vs town!Cakez and your description doesn't sound far off from his play there. He caught me pretty early on so I know he can hunt when it comes down to it.

isnt cakez a "good player" though?? drew seems to think so at least!

if drews confident hes town then im confident cakez will come in and give us some hella good reads to make me change my mind!!!

cakez will lead us to victory! everyone needs to believe in our angelic god cakez!!!!

There was this post which was just whatever.

i still dont like cakez LOL

VOTE: sircakez

can we just vote cakez out pls

bcuz hes scum

And then the remainder is this riveting scum hunting here. Your read literally has not progressed at all but you act like you've solved the game already. Pretty lame push.

This is a weird reaction to me. Why does it matter if her push is lame? It doesn't look like you scum read her; this response just looks pointless.

[Roden]

It reads like a discredit, but Marci's case is nothing and you're pretty much saying it's nothing. So it's like...it feels like you're looking for an argument with her. I think it would make more sense to look at the other people on your wagon who either followed Marci or came up with their own reason for voting you.

[Roden]

Spoiler: CSF progression on Cakez

VOTE: high flying dwarf
who is this player?

Has no one else pinged you yet?

Idk about Merlyn anymore, I think she's probably town. Her little tinfoil thing about Alianna on the last page felt like it was coming from a town mindset trying to spot TMI, and she seems to be reassessing with new info. Her tone felt a bit defensive but that could just be a personal thing

I think meowmeow and RCEnigma are town

I don't think anything Penguin has done so far is really scum indicative for him

VOTE: Cakez

Cakez have you played with Penguin before?

I did some ISOing to verify what you were saying and unfortunately for me and my lack of scumreads this game your claims about talking about votes every game early day one check out - it's more specific meta then just the lackadaisical Penguin meta I was thinking of

I remember you said you didn't care about his meta. What made you do this and reconsider?

Basically my impression of Penguins meta is that he powers up later in the game and doesn't do too much early on which happens regardless of his alignment. But I was arguing that his post that pinged me was scummy regardless of that meta. But then he pointed out that he was very specifically looking into the votes on day one for his play and I went back and did ISOs and saw that ya it was NAI

ok so 585 is what made you go do some meta?

I think that's possible, but you also checked into the game two separate times (586 and 599 just going off of the timestamps) before unvoting. I know you're someone who catches up chronologically like me. Why did you unvote later?

also what was the "ugh" in 586 in response to?

There's an early poke at Cakez, and after the vote she follows up with some interrogation. It feels like a pretty natural progression.

Spoiler: Penguin progression on Cakez

i still dont like cakez LOL

so vote him?

VOTE: cakez

Cakez have you played with Penguin before?

Yeah many times, no I don't care about his meta here atm

lol - "yes, but I don't care that he does this often, I need to fake a reason for voting him"

Your meta doesn't excuse a crappy post, the post that pinged me was scummy regardless and I wasn't the only one to think so

It's not a crappy post - the quoted players made no votes so i told them to do something. I've done this exact thing before and am quite vocal about votes being the only thing that really matter day 1 so you being like "oh i'm aware but i'm gonna ignore it" is super opportunistic.

UNVOTE:
I don't feel good about this vote anymore

Pushes for Marci to commit to a vote on Cakez, but after his own follow up vote his push feels more based on Cakez' scum read on him. Feels a little like OMGUS but still genuine.

Spoiler: Merlyn progression on Cakez

I was voting the slot to poke them, new player showed up and is doing things so the vote motivation isn't there anymore

What has FL done?

My very official and scientific thoughts on alignment so far:

I think they are probably town- meowmeow, marcistar, CSF, dealwiththdevil

I think they could be town? roden, rce, aureal

I am not feeling the town in them- snivy, cakez. penguin

idk- random nurse, FL

VOTE: sir cakez

RCE can you move your votes onto one of the two wagons

Personally I think leaf is towny even though they don't have many posts

wtf is this post

found RCEs vote strange whats the matter

Okay, I'll break it down.

1) You asked someone to move their vote to 'one of the the two wagons' . It's weird to me. It's like, not only do you want them to move their vote, but you want them to move it to where it will be the most likely to get someone limmed- but you don't care who of the two gets limmed. We have a decent amount of time left, so we don't need to be worried about a no lim or something.

2) Why do you feel either wagon is okay? You've mentioned more than once that you find penguin sus, but you've never even talked about cakez. It makes me wonder if you're fine with either lim bc you know they're town.

3) You didn't build a case to try and sway RCE onto a particular person or offer any reasons one of those two would be the right vote- why would they listen to you and stop voting for someone else and specifically jump onto the top two wagons with no reasoning from you?

4) Why do you care about RCE's vote anyway? Like, so what if you find FL town- FL literally has one vote. If you thought FL was town and in danger of being limmed this would make some sense, but literally what does it matter to you?

This is kind of just a blank vote. Suggesting that Cakez could be town but still voting him feels weird.

[biancospino]

Votecount 1-XII

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

flavor

Spoiler:

execution votes

SirCakez (4):

Cat Scratch Fever (444), PenguinPower (477), marcistar (492), Merlyn (543)

PenguinPower (2):

camelCasedSnivy (88), meowmeow (387)

camelCasedSnivy (2):

Deal With The Devil (182), Aureal (654)

Merlyn (1):

Roden (250)

Flavor Leaf (1):

RCEnigma (407)

Not voting (3):

Random Nurse, Flavor Leaf, SirCakez (635)

projects votes

Bureau of Investigations (6):

Aureal (110), meowmeow (258), camelCasedSnivy (259), SirCakez (267), Deal With The Devil (565), Flavor Leaf (608)

Trading Outpost (2):

PenguinPower (86), RCEnigma (159)

Intelligentia (2):

Roden (503), Cat Scratch Fever (560)

Elected Jury (1):

marcistar (294)

Printing Press (1):

Random Nurse (345)

Election Security (1):

Merlyn (630)

Not voting (0).

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-08 09:00:00).
  
• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.

[Roden]

VOTE: penguin
Yeah I feel the worst about him so far

I'm feeling out a couple other reads that I want to develop more before exploring

I feel pretty good about Devil, meow, RCE, Roden and Merlyn right now, at least for day one. Everyone else is null or I'm thinking through or kinda scummy.

This is the only time Cakez mentions Merlyn, and it's soon after she votes him.

@Cakez why exactly do you feel good about Merlyn when her vote is arguably worse than Marci's?

[meowmeow]

i failed in my quest to understand snivy, but i think his read on fl is probably +town? i mean, i still don't get it at all, but it probably makes more sense for snivy to have just struck a chord with one of the posts which i think are blatantly nai vs like, just blurting out a townread on fl for no reason and not being able to back it up when it was questioned. i mean, as scum i think you think about these things more and most people play it a bit safer whereas as town if snivy had that thought at one point he might have just gone all in on it and doesn't feel like he can walk it back now

i think flavor leaf's zealous crusade to prevent anyone from even asking about his weird relationship with snivy is scummy though. 'hounding' is such a melodramatic word to use for people asking questions about something that is obviously strange. how many votes does snivy even have here? most of the people he portrays as vultures looking to prey on the poor little snivy aren't even pushing him right now. and i think if you're being townread it's at least normal to be more cautious than... whatever this is. it feels like he decided this was the angle he wanted to take and then went much further with it than anyone ever would because he's flavor leaf and if anyone calls him out on it he can shout louder

@fl;
in your eyes, do you think a post like 466 or 468 would be particularly difficult to fake as scum?
and re 682 do you expect someone like snivy to be really familiar with your reputation?

[meowmeow]

To be fair, they just said they had a town read on me from it, i don’t think it was the most complex read ever, nor should it have been at that point.

You all making it seem like they were 100% lock towning me, when I don’t think they’d ever say they expect to be right, that’s just how they were feeling

Y’all hounding them off that little thing

tbf im only being "hounded" by 2 players im not worried

I felt like marcistar, Merlyn, and meowmeow had hounding energy.

Purely a Vote does not = hounding, but i felt energy coming at you from all those slots.

Some are fair to do so, but the fact 5 people became immediately interested in that isn’t nothing.

Soooo...I haven't judged or even asked anything about snivy's tr of you. I pushed him about his comment to RCE, and I asked for a townread. I think both of those things were okay to do. You may have instasorted him but I'm still working on it.

You and he becoming best buddies so quickly is interesting, but something I'd rather wait and see how it evolves over time vs. saying it's alignment indicative.

Normally I wouldn't waste time trying to sort Flavor on D1, but I kinda feel he is open wolfing here.

That's right Flavor, look me in the eyes and tell me you aren't scum*

*all opinions voiced in this post are of Drew and Drew only, Alianna had no say in this

Drew Post

-Drew

so i'd say this is probably the first read from devil i like

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i failed in my quest to understand snivy, but i think his read on fl is probably +town? i mean, i still don't get it at all, but it probably makes more sense for snivy to have just struck a chord with one of the posts which i think are blatantly nai vs like, just blurting out a townread on fl for no reason and not being able to back it up when it was questioned. i mean, as scum i think you think about these things more and most people play it a bit safer whereas as town if snivy had that thought at one point he might have just gone all in on it and doesn't feel like he can walk it back now

i think flavor leaf's zealous crusade to prevent anyone from even asking about his weird relationship with snivy is scummy though. 'hounding' is such a melodramatic word to use for people asking questions about something that is obviously strange. how many votes does snivy even have here? most of the people he portrays as vultures looking to prey on the poor little snivy aren't even pushing him right now. and i think if you're being townread it's at least normal to be more cautious than... whatever this is. it feels like he decided this was the angle he wanted to take and then went much further with it than anyone ever would because he's flavor leaf and if anyone calls him out on it he can shout louder

@fl;
in your eyes, do you think a post like 466 or 468 would be particularly difficult to fake as scum?
and re 682 do you expect someone like snivy to be really familiar with your reputation?

i agree with a lot of this post

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I reread the last ~five pages, and I don't think the conversation was really centered around pushing Snivy to begin with. Like yes, people were asking Snivy to explain the Flavor townlean, but people were also talking about Aureal, RCE's vote, and meowmeow's reads

It didn't become a "thing" until starting from around 658 and then that's where most of the discussion went because all his posts were about Snivy

[Flavor Leaf]

i failed in my quest to understand snivy, but i think his read on fl is probably +town? i mean, i still don't get it at all, but it probably makes more sense for snivy to have just struck a chord with one of the posts which i think are blatantly nai vs like, just blurting out a townread on fl for no reason and not being able to back it up when it was questioned. i mean, as scum i think you think about these things more and most people play it a bit safer whereas as town if snivy had that thought at one point he might have just gone all in on it and doesn't feel like he can walk it back now

i think flavor leaf's zealous crusade to prevent anyone from even asking about his weird relationship with snivy is scummy though. 'hounding' is such a melodramatic word to use for people asking questions about something that is obviously strange. how many votes does snivy even have here? most of the people he portrays as vultures looking to prey on the poor little snivy aren't even pushing him right now. and i think if you're being townread it's at least normal to be more cautious than... whatever this is. it feels like he decided this was the angle he wanted to take and then went much further with it than anyone ever would because he's flavor leaf and if anyone calls him out on it he can shout louder

@fl;
in your eyes, do you think a post like 466 or 468 would be particularly difficult to fake as scum?
and re 682 do you expect someone like snivy to be really familiar with your reputation?

no to all, and thats also why i think it's townier of camel tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

I reread the last ~five pages, and I don't think the conversation was really centered around pushing Snivy to begin with. Like yes, people were asking Snivy to explain the Flavor townlean, but people were also talking about Aureal, RCE's vote, and meowmeow's reads

It didn't become a "thing" until starting from around 658 and then that's where most of the discussion went because all his posts were about Snivy

i didnt necessarily think or say it was the main thing, i was really more okay lurking in the back, and i brought it up because it was the stuff that interested me

[Flavor Leaf]

i just say things with such pizazz people like to listen and focus on it thinking it could be agenda-y.

but im just posting to post really, saying what i feel in the moment, and then seeing how people react to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

havent come to conclusions yet