mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[The Bulge]

This isn't an Ace Attorney game. We can't catch scum by just pointing out contradictions. In fact, scum creating a fake case on someone else would provably be more careful than a townie speaking their honest thoughts.

Koba picking an old game to analyze is at worst NAI.

Koba's reaction to being cornered and outnumbered was to get frustated and argue in circles, which is understandable. Ranger said at some point that Koba looks "argumentative, not frustrated". I disagree with this completely. Koba's side of the argument was heated from really early.

I was going to suspect Ranger, but her flaking out of her suspicion on Koba took me off guard. She was the main driving force of Koba's wagon, and I struggle to find a good reason why she would jump off. If a long time had passed since the start of the argument I could understand, but most of it happened overnight and most people weren't even on.

I doubt Koba and Ranger are scum together. The meta reason was too elaborated to be faked. And they walked out of the debate practically buddies, which is bad theater.

pings

[The Bulge]

shouldve been a 4 pitch walk (lol) but instead it was a fly out to left field slightly away from the warning track

^ woops meant to quote this

[BlueSnakelet]

[...]

But ya, as I said I don't think Ranger was actually complicit in it and was just Koba seemingly purposely going over the top.

[...]

I'd like to state for the record that this is

not

what Drew said before. He said that he thinks that both Koba and Ranger were playing a theater, but he

might

be wrong about Ranger.

Drew's weak scumread on Ranger became a townread. Which is fine of course, but this feels like gaslighting.

[Doctor Drew]

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.

Bad take imo

Theater, or Koba has done way more than smoke weed this weekend.

This is fake beyond fake from them......where I could be wrong is that Ranger might not be complicit in all this(ie not scum), and legit is trying to defend her point.

But either way, Koba is bad, very very bad......so bad I almost think they want to be limmed......which is there a jester type role that could be in play?

It's dawning on me that this back and forth is doing nothing for the game at hand, this little song and dance has gotten boring now.

At least make it look like a real fight at this point.

youre not helping with comments like this, go away unless you have something to contribute

I am contributing, this is such contrived theater between you two.

i'd like to think that premeditated theatre would be a little more interesting to read no?

Started off strong, but the writers kept rehashing themselves in the second act, and the finale fell real flat.

But ya, as I said I don't think Ranger was actually complicit in it and was just Koba seemingly purposely going over the top.

Actually seems like almost every interaction they have had here in this game, at least as of late has been a head scratcher(Ranger, HPE, Pooky).

It seems like less open wolfing and more they want to draw the lim? I think I even said it as much, but even I don't fully by it.....not to mentioned how often they are throwing there vote around.

Schadd needs to send Koba to the showers after Edman send one into the cheep seats.

Well I never said I explicitly town read Ranger.

And ya, my feeling changed just as I made this first post, and didn't bother to check what I specifically said in that post regarding Ranger when I made the second post. I just knew it was something along the lines of feeling like Koba came off way worse then Ranger from all this.

For the record.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.

i don't follow "they have to know they're alone in thinking it" - why is that such a ridiculous thought

what consideration do you have towards a disengaged-town world for xyzzy's vote?

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here because they have suddenly become a consensus scum read and that seems a disproportionate gamestate reaction to the posts they've actually made

I can accept they might not know at the time of making the post. Not explaining anything, just stating it as if it's an obvious, uncontroversial fact smells like trying to shape the gamestate, but a big part of whether it's actually scum is the posts that follow. Part of making these reads, though, is you have to treat it as scumclaiming or they have no reason to react to it.

When the next post ignores the entire active list's scumreads on them for the post in question, that's when it becomes unrealistic for any town player.

Disengaged town makes one of these mistakes, doesn't make both. I accept that town hoping to get batted past the nosebleeds might, the gimmick is a fun one after all, but that's what makes this a "let's get two dingers, Tommy" situation and not an "eliminate here" situation.

That's also why I want ofhrz over Koba or xyzzy for the elimination. ofhrz isn't openwolfing and isn't a favored contender for consensus scumread on more nuanced grounds, but the play over there has awful vibes that make it feel like a highly-red slot and, if you aren't convinced, I feel like the slot's elimination is great for the Day 2 information space because a lot of slots have weighed in on it. While Koba and xyzzy both also have had a lot of opinions made about them (indeed, Koba might be the most information-rich slot), I feel they're likely to be solved by Tommy, one way or another.

[Skygazer]

i predict tommy edman will throw a touchdown this inning

[BlueSnakelet]

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I don't think Ranger was actually complicit in it

[...]

Is it possible for scum!Ranger to not be complicit in it?

[DkKoba]

i predict tommy edman will throw a touchdown this inning

so long as he starts with a Sicilian Defense

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I actually am buying into Pooky-scum rn (caught a potential scumtell), yet not strongly enough to prefer him over ofrhz/xyzzy.

To me it's not really a scumtell outside of the bad faith read on my slot in a meta where he has like a near 100% read rate on me - it's the lack of towntells
(And tbh I should start going thru and building a towncore for myself , I have been too distracted lmao)

I don't have towntells don't be ridiculous

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ofc my read on you isnt bad faith

also p wild you would claim that scum!pooky would shitpush town!koba right away in d1 when like i'd probly just chill and stick you in my pocket like a torpedo and fire you out at unsuspecting cruise liners

[schadd_]

tommy is on my screen again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

one of us could die any second now

[Doctor Drew]

[...]

I don't think Ranger was actually complicit in it

[...]

Is it possible for scum!Ranger to not be complicit in it?

If Ranger is scum then almost guaranteed Koba is scum with her, if Koba is scum it doesn't fully clear Ranger and could have been all theater, I don't believe that though and would lean town on Ranger.

My point was that I didn't say Ranger was town, you put words into my mouth.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if Ranger and Koba are scum together I can 100% guarantee that Ranger was not complicit in that scum theatre rofl

[schadd_]

tommy is on my screen again

eegh

[BlueSnakelet]

[...]

I don't think Ranger was actually complicit in it

[...]

Is it possible for scum!Ranger to not be complicit in it?

If Ranger is scum then almost guaranteed Koba is scum with her, if Koba is scum it doesn't fully clear Ranger and could have been all theater, I don't believe that though and would lean town on Ranger.

My point was that I didn't say Ranger was town, you put words into my mouth.

Eh... Fair enough.

[Dannflor]

ok i kinda wish someone other than MUSH went deep into the xyzzy read because I'm already town reading it pretty hard but oh well

[MUSHSHAGANA]

tommy is on my screen again

eegh

How bad are we talking?

[Dannflor]

bluesnakelet do you have any scum reads

[Skygazer]

i know very little about baseball but "struck out looking" in the play by play felt like a roast

[DkKoba]

ok i kinda wish someone other than MUSH went deep into the xyzzy read because I'm already town reading it pretty hard but oh well

i just read xyzzy's ISO and now i remember why i had it low b4 the vote on me, and it was bc like there was a *single* game related post in all of it, now theres a total of 3 only.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

i know very little about baseball but "struck out looking" in the play by play felt like a roast

Didn't even swing for the last strike. I hope Mr. Edman is just saving his strength.

Does he have another plate appearance left even?

[schadd_]

tommy is on my screen again

eegh

How bad are we talking?

it's sort of like he spent two at bats waiting for the right pitch and when it came he was like "yup, there it was"

[BlueSnakelet]

bluesnakelet do you have any scum reads

I'm not confident in it, but if I had to choose one it would be Happy. He posted a moderate amount of posts while saying nothing about the game.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

tommy is on my screen again

eegh

How bad are we talking?

it's sort of like he spent two at bats waiting for the right pitch and when it came he was like "yup, there it was"

The face I made scared the dogs. Amazing. That's what you get for giving your plumber a bastard sword, I guess.