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[TheHoldSteady]

Hello

[TheHoldSteady]

Snake comes across very town so far

More later

[TheHoldSteady]

i should go read a not_mafia game before I try to read them because their play sounds batshit

[TheHoldSteady]

Wiz: I like 38, 44, 62, 77, seems to be actively working towards solving. Lean town


Snake: When I glanced over this player earlier I thought it seemed town, but now that I take a second look…ehh? I don’t understand 59. Why do you need to come up with something so early when some of the slots have barely posted anything.

Help: Only has had a few posts of content so far, could see him going either way


Hu Tao: 64 and 69 ping town. Hasn’t had too much content but what they do post read like town play

N_M: I don’t see any actual play yet whatsoever, just jokes around and I don’t know their meta so IDK what to make of them

Random_Nurse: again, no game-related content yet

Passenger: I like that he was working early on to get us past RVS, hasn’t done a whole lot yet otherwise but I like the one thing he did do

ZZZX: Too soon to say on this slot honestly.

[TheHoldSteady]

I'm not a fan of the move. felt like we got robbed of several days worth of content.

[TheHoldSteady]

the heat inevitably went to nurse for quickhammering; while i think the play benefited scum more than town, its not really scum-indicative itself, its more of something to keep in mind for later that it happened. but less heat to snake who placed n_m at e-1 with little explanation. i would love the snake to explain more the thought process behind that vote

[TheHoldSteady]

if i'm scum trying to steer the wrong wagon i'm generally going to try and vote towards the middle of that wagon. hammer attracts too much attention and lead attracts too much attention. join towards the middle and there's a greater chance that it goes unnoticed.

[TheHoldSteady]

So, yeah, I hammered Not Mafia because I'm not going to tolerate a jester who doesn't contribute to the gamestate and is just going to be mis-lim bait. If he's going to be a jester he can go Day 1 instead of end game. Got it?

I am absolutely certain Scum will attempt to use my hammering of NM against me, so if you're Town FFS, be smart.

Now, with that out if the way, get out of my way as I take a look at the VCs and associations. If you want to fight me over NM's yeet I will give it to you.

Look at

what

associations?

You quick hammered page 4-5, when we weren't even really out of RVS, half the votes on NM were simply people either annoyed by him, parked on him (like mine), or scum making use of the situation to get a quick elim.

I think blue is probably town, Random might be scum, but I can't even be sure because I can see non-scum just doing that horrid horrid decision.

I also think one of the people not voting was probably scum.

BUT instead of having information of people, we are just empty because you took that QH, to be honest blue setting NM to E-1 was equally problematic.

Well gee, man, I'm all torn up about it. You can cry your eyes out about it and mis-lim me or if Town you can get over this and work with me on finding Scum. I'm inclined to think you *might* be Town because when I've done this before there were Townies that responded similarly.

I am still not sure whether you are town or scum.
I am still upset about this. If you are scum then sure, if you are town then you just possibly lost the game for everyone, but moving ahead..
Fine, sell me on it. Who do you see as scum? Why? If you see some associations, show me. It is five pages.

You're more mad at me than the jester that voted himself and was daring everyone else to hammer him when he was at L-1?

Ask yourself this: would you rather have the jester hammered Day 1 or endgame? 100% of the time I'd choose the former, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

As for the rest of the game, I'm V/LA. I'm going to get into this game, but on MY time. If you're Town, and I think you may because you're the only vocal one around giving a fuck, then I'm going to ask you for some patience.

I played with NM before, he will do so for the first 2-3 real life days and then start playing normally. And I am familiar enough with him to read him. So yes, I am more upset at you than him, because the most he did was 5 posts being distracting for people, instead of us now being at 7 alive without any information. Its less about the lynch happening and about when on the day it happened, anyway no point discussing it further.

Sigh, the game is already half dead so this is going to be very fun to deal with. Lets see if we can somehow figure something out.

[TheHoldSteady]

VOTE: ZZZX
Scummy-ish hop on

Id vote you but I forgot what that term was called... time to get back to the wiki.

But I will bite, why is it scummish?

If I remember correctly, the term you're looking for is OMGUS.

And I think joining a wagon quickly is often considered a bit suspicious due to it being a bit of an "anyone but me" sort of vote, but I mean—we're the only people who know our own alignment, so I think both the Village

and

all the evil people would logically want to vote anyone but themselves, especially right now when we know so little. So, it technically

can

be a tell, but it's not super strong (especially not this early).

Yes! It was OMGUS, thanks.

heipzhu4, BlueSnakelet, ZZZX, Passenger, Hu Tao, AnimatedWiz and TheHoldSteady need to step up their activity

I feel called out!

VOTE: NM

Wow, double-posting to inflate your post count, how desperate

VOTE: ZZZX

You know what? I will do a serious vote for once and a question.

Are you scum NM? My gut is tingling and questioning you right now. Mostly probably becuase you are the only one here i have any semblence of an ability to read here currently.

VOTE: NM

Thst puts you at L2 if I am not mistaken

VOTE: ZZZX
Scummy-ish hop on

Id vote you but I forgot what that term was called... time to get back to the wiki.

But I will bite, why is it scummish?

Your tone seemed like you were trying too hard to fit in

That is indeed what implied by the train sound, yes. But I don't think there was any group to fit in within. But I like the reasoning enough

your stuff isn't adding up. why did you vote them for a gut scumread if you could just wait 2-3 days for them to start posting normally and then get a more clear read on them

[TheHoldSteady]

bad

[TheHoldSteady]

VOTE: bluesnakelet

let's do something even more fun

[TheHoldSteady]

UNVOTE: BlueSnakelet

[TheHoldSteady]

i think zzzx / help is my current poe

[TheHoldSteady]

I explained in 154

[TheHoldSteady]

NOW, what do you make of the idea of a mass-claim? We are what, two mis-lims away from defeat? I need more information to work with and I think now is the time for all of us to put our cards on the table.

Here let's make a list so we can keep track. Let me know if I missed anyone's claim. I'm an indecisive doctor

AnimatedWiz: VT
ZZZX: VT
Bluesnakelet: Neighbor
TheHoldSteady: Indecisive Doctor
RN: ?
Passenger: ?
heipizhu4: ?

RN please claim next.

[TheHoldSteady]

that's not how the modifier works. I can save again just not the same person, and who I saved I'm not revealing because it only benefits scum

[TheHoldSteady]

Why are you stalling the claim?

[TheHoldSteady]

EBWOP: There is at least one scum in Blue/heiphi.

let's say you're right and there's two scum neighbors. what would you have done in their position instead of outright claiming neighbors with each other? because it seems like a pretty weak scum team to me, almost too easy-sounding to be true.

[TheHoldSteady]

Vote: helpizhu4

I'm not completely convinced that the neighborhood isn't town/scum -> town backup but I do agree there's at least one scum in the neighborhood. And just with everything else I've read so far I think this lim makes the most sense today

[TheHoldSteady]

I'm just waiting from the neighbors to see if they have any comments on this.

[TheHoldSteady]

UNVOTE: help

[TheHoldSteady]

I like Jackson more than I liked help


Woops I have too many town reads

Have to reboot a bit and see where I went wrong

[TheHoldSteady]

Alright, fully caught up and I'm pretty sure this is wolf here.
VOTE: ZZZ

What do you think of Bluesnake? I noticed you slipped over them in your reads and tbh I'm completely torn on them I see some stuff that seems town some stuff that seems scum

[TheHoldSteady]

Oh, lovely—it’s now a game of chicken. I will say, at least the rainbow text is quite pretty.

Don't worry. Not_Mafia is already on the wagon. No one else would risk a premature hammer.

How about we do something fun?

VOTE: Nurse

This is E-2.

I invite someone else to put him in E-1.

If there is a premature hammer after that, the hammerer will be Tomorrow's execution.

VOTE: Heip

If this flips green, kill Passenger next.
If this flips red, kill me next.

so i'm seeing three times snake tried to encourage quick ends to the day, granted the first time he said he thought nobody would hammer but then he does it again, and again, the latter two times both trying to set up ready-made lims for the next day.

[TheHoldSteady]

59 once again i don't know why he's so bent on figuring everything out so early.

[TheHoldSteady]

Yeah, this game doesn’t have too much talk—not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make it difficult to get a read on anyone due to how little most of us have said.

If I might ask—BlueSnakelet, what reads do you have? You’ve had several votes but not spoken too much about what motivated them.

At some point Yesterday I made this list, though I can't remember the exact thought process behind it:

Annie
ZZZX
Heip
Passenger
Steady
Nurse
Tao
Not_Mafia

The game was barely out of RVS, so none of these were particularly strong.

Fine... I'll bite.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Call me hypocrite, but I can't think of anyone else.

why not tao? it seems you were actually thinking of other people if you bothered to make that list.

[TheHoldSteady]

I don't personally see them encouraging quick ends. The first one is explicitly saying nobody will risk it, generally that would be true but RN was slaying.
The second seems to be actively deterring anybody from hammering rather than encouraging a quickhammer
The third has nothing to do with a quickhammer at all and is just possibly lining up future eliminations as opposed to talking about this one.

59 once again i don't know why he's so bent on figuring everything out so early.

I can't see anything townie nor scummy in this particular post

alright fair, i think its just a very null slot and i was looking too far into it trying to make something of it

[TheHoldSteady]

Spoiler:

Yeah, this game doesn’t have too much talk—not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make it difficult to get a read on anyone due to how little most of us have said.

If I might ask—BlueSnakelet, what reads do you have? You’ve had several votes but not spoken too much about what motivated them.

At some point Yesterday I made this list, though I can't remember the exact thought process behind it:

Annie
ZZZX
Heip
Passenger
Steady
Nurse
Tao
Not_Mafia

The game was barely out of RVS, so none of these were particularly strong.

Fine... I'll bite.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Call me hypocrite, but I can't think of anyone else.

why not tao? it seems you were actually thinking of other people if you bothered to make that list.

What are you saying here? The list was like 200 posts later

he said he made it at the beginning of the game

[TheHoldSteady]

Random Nurse is an abrasive egoplayer and in a game that is primarily full of conservative, low postcount players, Random Nurse will become limbait. I don't think anything that Random Nurse has said so far is alignment indicative in the context of his playstyle.

AnimatedWiz gives newbtown vibes, especially in 105. I'm not sure that a newbie scum player would think to include things like "scum certainly have 2 votes to use."

ZZZX's questioning of Random Nurse is towny but nothing he's said is unfakeable.

VOTE: TheHoldSteady

Better than nothing!

Passenger, what's your read on Hold? Is it simply a gut feeling or any specific reason to vote?

entirely just gut feeling. And not a particularly strong gut feeling at that. Given his complete lack of reaction I'd be inclined to say that he's slightly more towny.

this seems like townie line of thought scumhunting

[TheHoldSteady]

Spoiler:

Yeah, this game doesn’t have too much talk—not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make it difficult to get a read on anyone due to how little most of us have said.

If I might ask—BlueSnakelet, what reads do you have? You’ve had several votes but not spoken too much about what motivated them.

At some point Yesterday I made this list, though I can't remember the exact thought process behind it:

Annie
ZZZX
Heip
Passenger
Steady
Nurse
Tao
Not_Mafia

The game was barely out of RVS, so none of these were particularly strong.

Fine... I'll bite.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Call me hypocrite, but I can't think of anyone else.

why not tao? it seems you were actually thinking of other people if you bothered to make that list.

What are you saying here? The list was like 200 posts later

he said he made it at the beginning of the game

Beginning of the game or not. The posts you quoted were 67 posts apart, and the list was posted after the vote you quoted. I'm not following what you're meaning here

i'm asking if he made that list towards the beginning of the game why did he say "can't think of anyone else". he shared it much later but said he had made it around the end of the rvs stage.

[TheHoldSteady]

Random Nurse is an abrasive egoplayer and in a game that is primarily full of conservative, low postcount players, Random Nurse will become limbait. I don't think anything that Random Nurse has said so far is alignment indicative in the context of his playstyle.

AnimatedWiz gives newbtown vibes, especially in 105. I'm not sure that a newbie scum player would think to include things like "scum certainly have 2 votes to use."

ZZZX's questioning of Random Nurse is towny but nothing he's said is unfakeable.

VOTE: TheHoldSteady

Better than nothing!

Passenger, what's your read on Hold? Is it simply a gut feeling or any specific reason to vote?

entirely just gut feeling. And not a particularly strong gut feeling at that. Given his complete lack of reaction I'd be inclined to say that he's slightly more towny.

this seems like townie line of thought scumhunting

Can you delve further into why you think it's townie? Saying it is great and all but I cannot reciprocate it if I don't see what you see

for the first post: i think rn made himself an lhf (and i also theorize that zzzx's melodramatic reaction to it was scum trying to capitalize on that) and so defending the lhf comes across as town to me.

for the second post: i think its just a reasonable, sound read to think someone not reacting to a vote on them is town.

[TheHoldSteady]

WITH THAT SAID:

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims.

4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal.

Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

This leaves 2 scum in (T3, TheHoldSteady, Random Nurse, BlueSnakelet, and heiphizhu)

I don’t think I have ever seen a neighborhood that contains all town. I think it is very likely there is at least one scum in Vlue

this seems like something a confused town would say, not scum

[TheHoldSteady]

Spoiler:

Yeah, this game doesn’t have too much talk—not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make it difficult to get a read on anyone due to how little most of us have said.

If I might ask—BlueSnakelet, what reads do you have? You’ve had several votes but not spoken too much about what motivated them.

At some point Yesterday I made this list, though I can't remember the exact thought process behind it:

Annie
ZZZX
Heip
Passenger
Steady
Nurse
Tao
Not_Mafia

The game was barely out of RVS, so none of these were particularly strong.

Fine... I'll bite.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Call me hypocrite, but I can't think of anyone else.

why not tao? it seems you were actually thinking of other people if you bothered to make that list.

What are you saying here? The list was like 200 posts later

he said he made it at the beginning of the game

Beginning of the game or not. The posts you quoted were 67 posts apart, and the list was posted after the vote you quoted. I'm not following what you're meaning here

i'm asking if he made that list towards the beginning of the game why did he say "can't think of anyone else". he shared it much later but said he had made it around the end of the rvs stage.

I can't speak for him but the day ended on page 4. That's 100 posts for the entirety of day 1 and him having 67 posts between your vote doesn't say much. That's literally almost comparing the start of the day to the end that and the end of RVS is where you form the initial reads. If the list was formed at the end of RVS aligns with genuine thought processes. There's nothing wrong with those two posts

alright i see what you mean.

[TheHoldSteady]

WITH THAT SAID:

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims.

4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal.

Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

This leaves 2 scum in (T3, TheHoldSteady, Random Nurse, BlueSnakelet, and heiphizhu)

I don’t think I have ever seen a neighborhood that contains all town. I think it is very likely there is at least one scum in Vlue

this seems like something a confused town would say, not scum

It reads to me as pushing an agenda of just being confused.

also a good point

[TheHoldSteady]

i think zz is scum

108 and 110 read performative to me

as explained in 154 i still don't understand zz's train of thought on n_m; their initial vote seemed like a slight scumread and they were trying to pressure that slot to get a more accurate read. so why not hang back if they're so easy to read and you know that the jestering will eventually stop?

[TheHoldSteady]

i think limming zz -> snake -> passenger in that order should win the game

[TheHoldSteady]

I guess I could see a world in which 1 Neighbor and 1 VT claim is scum but it just feels awfully unlikely

how?

[TheHoldSteady]

It's a blatant lie that is not even remotely close to any other normal run, and is easily confirmable. Yet it was greatly exaggerated

I said the 4 VT’s thing from a setup perspective. I highly doubt that the reviewers would ever approve a 9 player setup with 3 VT’s. It’s

possible

but unlikely.

This is another lie. You said specifically that 4 was the MINIMUM amount of VTs. Not what you suspect to to be the minimum

We are in a 9 player game. We have 2 dead VT’s and 2 VT claims. 4 VT’s is the minimum number of VT’s in a 9 player normal. Thus, ZZZX and AnimatedWiz are completely clear.

I was not presenting the 4 VT’s as a minimum theory as a hard and fast fact.

you definitely were

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[TheHoldSteady]

but

why

[TheHoldSteady]

why make that up as scum

[TheHoldSteady]

why make that up as scum

Why make up what?

why make up the initial lie about two villagers being cleared

do you think passenger knew it would be quickly dismissed as false or no?

[TheHoldSteady]

I doubt they're not a backup neighbour. Claiming that is suicide in the lategame so regardless of alignment, that'd be their role. It's very much possible that the setup was designed for this type of interaction where the wolf backup wants to get rid of a neighbour fast before they get schmacked by the TA. Interesting thought experiment at the very least, would make sense why they'd go for both neighbours equally

As I said here. I believe they're pushing a hard agenda to get out one of the neighbours so they can't get caught as scum by the TA. It would align with why they'd lie about the VTs so the discussion stays where they want. In the same post where they lied they said "I've never seen a full town neighbourhood" which is just an awful reason to SR in the neighbourhood and it's just all nonsense reasoning and nonsense reasoning is almost certainly coming from wolf. Let alone they're literally lying about what they said and meant because it's very clear what they meant, and they're flat out denying it and they're stuck flat out denying it since they already went down this path

gotcha

[TheHoldSteady]

Ya'll are so quiet

[TheHoldSteady]

Wiz? Nurse? Snake? Can you read Jackson's case against Passenger and tell me what you think?

[TheHoldSteady]

I think considering tomorrow will be limlo if we're wrong here, the priority should be limming who is the most likely scum (which is probably Passenger, their response to the accusations were terrible). With RN not being clear (but I lean town) any report on limlo would still be something we'd have to work through.

For checks tonight I think ZZ would be a good choice because we can try to clear them if our suspicions are wrong.

[TheHoldSteady]

There doesn't seem to be much resistance on the Passenger wagon.

Passenger isn't doing jack to fight it and we're running out of time. Kind of will annoy me if he's town tbh.

[TheHoldSteady]

Did it bother anyone else that when I led on Jackson's predecessor it went to E-1 almost straight away? This bandwagon seems a lot slower in comparison.

[TheHoldSteady]

Granted I could place Passenger at E-1 if I wanted to now but id really like to hear from him first.

[TheHoldSteady]

Ah he's already at E-1. I missed Annie's vote.

[TheHoldSteady]

Answer my question btw. What's your read on ZZZ

Town. I was leaning town on him by his play.

Can you elaborate further? What part of his play has you leaning town?

A lot of his posts felt genuine, that's really it. There have been much scummier players than him.

OK. Can you quote me maybe one or two of his posts you thought were genuine?

[TheHoldSteady]

And which players do you think have been scummier?

[TheHoldSteady]

And why?

[TheHoldSteady]

Oh lord

I'm considering just hammering if none of you are going to do anything with the time we have anyway

Maybe ZZ will have something to say when they get back from VLA, idk

[TheHoldSteady]

How do you even read a game where day one ended like four days early and day two nobody does shit. lmao.

[TheHoldSteady]

That’s totally fair—if I had to guess, it might be the switch from being very anti-quickhammer earlier in the day to being far more willing to end the day earlier now. I honestly just don’t know how much more info we’ll get out of today aside from hearing from ZZZX, but that’ll happen soon enough.

This post pings scum to me because it shows you've been thinking about reasons why people might suspect you, despite being in a slot that until now was widely town read.

These are things to note for later, but I don't think they eclipse the Passenger case for me.

[TheHoldSteady]

That’s totally fair—if I had to guess, it might be the switch from being very anti-quickhammer earlier in the day to being far more willing to end the day earlier now. I honestly just don’t know how much more info we’ll get out of today aside from hearing from ZZZX, but that’ll happen soon enough.

This post pings scum to me because it shows you've been thinking about reasons why people might suspect you, despite being in a slot that until now was widely town read.

These are things to note for later, but I don't think they eclipse the Passenger case for me.

To be honest, I’m just a rather anxious person—I tend to be too concerned and hyperaware of what people think of me in general, so I think that’s coming into play here. I totally respect being suspicious of me though, and I’ll happily answer any questions y’all might have for me.

That's fair.

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[TheHoldSteady]

Hm.

From personal experience those I experience the least tend to be Scum. Scum need to blend in and not take risks or draw attention. Those who are too calm, civil, passive, and agreeable do not take risks, and complements the idea of blending in.

I am more inclined to vote for Wiz. I'm unsure if there's enough time, and Passenger's illogical assumption that there must be Scum Neighbors DID make me question him, but does being illogicall necessarily mean being Scum? Scum love using logic and hiding behind it.

I suspect an AnimatedWiz elimination may be more astute.

VOTE: AnimatedWiz

I'll add my own experience as well. I think the lower the skill of the scum, the more agreeable they will be (excluding random outliers of course) so you may have a point with them. I had originally pinned them as more experienced and they definitely took the initiative and put their foot out a lot this game. Most notably them telling everybody to mass-claim and claiming in the same post. They didn't go like "hey guys should we massclaim?", they just did it and put themselves out there so I'm not sure if the passive/calm/aggreeableness is a scum-tell here.

I agree. You can't conflate low post count with low skill. If Annie is scum they're playing the game pretty skillfully.

[TheHoldSteady]

I'm going to put Jackson as my top town read

Annie right below them

Then RN

Snake, ZX

Passsnger

[TheHoldSteady]

That’s totally fair—if I had to guess, it might be the switch from being very anti-quickhammer earlier in the day to being far more willing to end the day earlier now. I honestly just don’t know how much more info we’ll get out of today aside from hearing from ZZZX, but that’ll happen soon enough.

This post pings scum to me because it shows you've been thinking about reasons why people might suspect you, despite being in a slot that until now was widely town read.

These are things to note for later, but I don't think they eclipse the Passenger case for me.

To be honest, I’m just a rather anxious person—I tend to be too concerned and hyperaware of what people think of me in general, so I think that’s coming into play here. I totally respect being suspicious of me though, and I’ll happily answer any questions y’all might have for me.

That's fair.

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[TheHoldSteady]

I feel like RNs role gives my role purpose, so I kind of am town reading him from a much perspective