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Erm... Kittie clearly told us that she was new. I clearly told you that I'd back after 5 years. Knott and I even talked out our common meta. In what universe does it add up to put Kittie and me on the same experience level?In post 223, Black wrote:
This feels like my reads list put into wordsIn post 222, usesPython wrote: Scumhunting wise though I don't think anyone's given off a strong "This dude scum fr fr" vibe yet
Dragon/Gimli/Kittie/Python in the townpool
Comet/VIP get a pass
Black's good enough at scum that we're not catching her d1
Knott's the hard to read aggro type player that can get away with a lot as scum but that's not really scum indicative
Tim isn't really giving off townvibes but that could be due to my eyes glazing over when I see wallposts with no quotes
Regarding VIP, I'm more wary here after he talked about his experience level. I was putting him in the same category as Kittie because I thought they were both fairly new players with the off the wall reads, but I don't think I'm willing to give VIP the same pass as Kittie anymore
(Kittie, you may find me offensive, but this was no offense. It's more than enough to check the games Knott linked to see how "genius" I in this game can be.)
Is Chainsaw Defense still a thing?
Yeah, after putting me on the "can pass", saying that Black was good enough as scum not to get caught on Day1, this deserves a thorough answer from me. Because of its lenght, it's best to format it like this:
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Black's also a good enough town player that we're willing to let her cookIn post 226, Aneninen wrote:Yeah, after putting me on the "can pass", saying that Black was good enough as scum not to get caught on Day1, this deserves a thorough answer from me. Because of its lenght, it's best to format it like this:
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Your early posts gave me the same vibe as Kittie's where the reads felt genuine but also a little convoluted and wrong. I typically associate that with new town but you clarified you're not new so I need to reevaluateIn post 226, Aneninen wrote: Erm... Kittie clearly told us that she was new. I clearly told you that I'd back after 5 years. Knott and I even talked out our common meta. In what universe does it add up to put Kittie and me on the same experience level?-
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Wow I think I promised a catchup over 36 hours ago (edit: it was "just" 33 hours ago) and still didn't do it properly. Sorry about that, I'm here now.
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Conclusion:
Still feel weird about Comet but I wanna see where she's going
Knott feels maybe town
Python feels town
Kittie I suspect
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Conclusions:
I like Comet a bit more. I like Black a bit less (but not enough to scumread).
VIP is fine.
- I already read it so I'm skipping it.Page 6
I will note though that in context Comet looks slightly better.
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Gimli looks slightly opportunistic in their approach to Comet's wagon in context. Not enough to cancel my townread but I wanna pay more attention to his slot.
157 - Kittie calling VIP correct for his shade on her is weird. Like normally I would say it feels brazen and towny to do that, but in this scenario it feels like she's kinda forcing it? Or at least the whole vibe of her posts just doesn't sound like how a confident/brazen town post would sound. And it definitely gives newbscum vibes.
hmpphh fine.In post 163, Cometbright wrote: Because I have actual reasons to townread Python and Pigeon outside of our amicable truce here. For Python I have been consistently agreeing with their posts and even the ones I don't agree with I think their logic is sound. Pigeon I townread because as mentioned I thought his big post was, although I didn't agree with bits of it, still a genuine effort at content and sparked some good discussion with multiple people.
This I don't understand because you should know that I do this as town and there's literally no reason to think it's scummy of me - I don't think I've ever done that as scum, ever.In post 164, Cometbright wrote: As for why I'm hedging you it's because like I said some of your plays here have been kinda questionable to me - I'm not inherently reading them as scum because I know you do this as town as well but it's weird enough for me to put you in the middle for now and see if you sort yourself further as the game goes on.
BUT I will admit that you being suspicious of this is not NECESSARILY scummy for you as you could just be a town that's unsure about it.
BLEGH.
Still liking 169 by Python. Also 172.
Can you please explain what don't you like about them?In post 173, TimmerRC wrote: Dragon #125, "What do you think about usesPython and Afrayed Knott? And what do you think about Comet?" I'm not loving Afrayed at all, and frankly let's just VOTE: Afrayed while I'm sitting on this vibe. I'll get back to you on the other two in a minute, I'm still getting used to reading a game that moves like this, keeping organized is an effing challenge, lol.
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This is a weird read to me. Can you please explain it?In post 176, Kittiesecret wrote: From my post, Python and Gimli seem to have a little something going on. feels like more than "we have played together vibes."
I can see the Comet thing, can you point me to where VIP does that though?In post 176, Kittiesecret wrote: but also... comet seems to be overly helpful with all their reads... VIP also seems to be concerned with being read as town. both have lots to say with out saying much just lots of round and round about the same players.
177 by Gimli is a good post. If Gimli is scum here, he has exceptional thread awareness as scum. Either way he deserves some town points for this post.
180 - Hey, look! My last engagement with the game. Hiiiiiii I'm back!
Meh I don't really enjoy reading Knott's posts here. I think he should be town but I don't feel like I want to bother reading his posts.
Who is the scum into whose hands are you playing? I didn't fully understand this.In post 190, Afrayed Knott wrote: You seem very absorbed in this campaign, and its pretty repetitive. Of course the worst thing I could possibly do is defend Gimli, but I'm not, as I have no idea about him, other than in the last game I played with him, which is ongoing so I can't really go there at the moment. Then of course if I say anything to refute your comments you could turn that around and say, "see defensive". But its strange that only after 4 posts you feel I am being defensive. Maybe ask yourself why that might be, maybe it might be based on what I have said previously. Anyway, don't want to hang around trying to divert this attention away from me and towards others, as I can see what it is doing now. I am just playing into scums hands. and it doesn't help town at all. So that's where I am now.
This I strongly agree with.In post 193, Aneninen wrote: Also, I can't see Gimli trying to make us believe that he's town.
Huh? That's her first game.In post 193, Aneninen wrote: Can anyone tell me whether Kittie's playing in this way all the time?
Explain?In post 194, Aneninen wrote: Gimli, 177 - Wellshirt, you're not the only one without scumreads here
195 - VIP, I am not sure why but I can't decipher this post. Could you please explain to me what you mean here?
Conclusion (for Pages 7-8):
VIP, Knott and Gimli pretty towny
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I'm really tired so I'll read Page 9 tomorrow, but here are my current reads:
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Knott
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Black
Timmer
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Hey DE how much of Normal Idea Mafia did you read when you replaced in that game?Plural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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actually how much of it have you read in generalIn post 232, usesPython wrote: Hey DE how much of Normal Idea Mafia did you read when you replaced in that game?Plural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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In post 229, DragonEater70 wrote:
I don't think scum!Python posts this.In post 99, usesPython wrote: Yeah that's intentional, we don't actually care who gets wagoned this early on so we just jump on whatever wagons are happening to make number go up and let the people with actual opinions duke it out until we have something to work with
I was gonna point out that we absolutely would openwolf like that and that we did and noted it day 1 that game but if you didn't read it then nvmIn post 65, usesPython from Open 880 Notes PT wrote:
Python: "yeah our cases are there exclusively to be townread"In post 64, usesPython wrote: Being universally townread while basically openwolfing is pretty funny
Everyone else: "damn this dude town as hell"Plural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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No wait you read our Notes PT that game you should have seen our comment on that
In post 2042, DragonEater70 in Open 880 wrote:Quoting these so that I will read them when I have time
In post 180, DragonEater70 in Open 880 usesPython Notes PT wrote:
I'm impressed by you having a table of contents for a notes PTIn post 1, usesPython wrote: Table of ContentsPlural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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Going to work to catch up on this tomorrow, sorry, long day of work and Canadian thanksgiving.There are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who can handle incomplete statements-
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Yes, I did read a bit from your PT - that's where I took the term react YouTuber from, lol. But I don't really understand why is that important. Do you think it's alignment indicative for me to have missed something you said?In post 236, usesPython wrote: No wait you read our Notes PT that game you should have seen our comment on that
In post 2042, DragonEater70 in Open 880 wrote:Quoting these so that I will read them when I have time
In post 180, DragonEater70 in Open 880 usesPython Notes PT wrote:
I'm impressed by you having a table of contents for a notes PTIn post 1, usesPython wrote: Table of Contents-
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Hello! Back home - a little exhausted from shepherding about ten drunk people around the place but I'll set aside some time for today.-
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I know you do it as town, but why does that make a play I would normally attribute to scum/scum-aligned no longer scummy? It's not a full one-on-one comparison but lets say someone has a habit of fake-claiming and they do this as town too - if it later came to light that they fakeclaimed in a game then you'd still be justified seeing it as scummy, no? I've only seen one scumgame of you (and it was a late-game replacement, if I remember right?) so that's not really enough of a sample-size for me to know it's something you wouldn't do as scum.In post 229, DragonEater70 wrote: This I don't understand because you should know that I do this as town and there's literally no reason to think it's scummy of me - I don't think I've ever done that as scum, ever.
Like, I have taken that you do it as town into account - that's why I left you in the middle of my readlist as opposed to lower down.-
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Nah I don't think forgetting is alignment indicative, we were mostly just posting that to see if you'd react with anything that isn't "I forgor "In post 239, DragonEater70 wrote: Yes, I did read a bit from your PT - that's where I took the term react YouTuber from, lol. But I don't really understand why is that important. Do you think it's alignment indicative for me to have missed something you said?Plural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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Hmmm... this is a weirdly passive day 1. There's been some stuff slung about but nothing that's really stuck or held for long, I'm kinda tempted for everyone to share their current elimination pools (list of people you'd be okay with executing today) and seeing if we can establish some common block here just so we can prompt some more pointed poking here and narrow the focus further. Thoughts?-
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Because of contextIn post 241, Cometbright wrote: I know you do it as town, but why does that make a play I would normally attribute to scum/scum-aligned no longer scummy?
For example, some people might consider being quiet/meek in larger Avalon games towny (because you have less of an agenda and are uninformed and therefore sometimes don't really have anything to say). But if a person is quiet over and over again as scum, I won't think it's towny for them to be quiet.
Other people think that basing your reads on nitpicking and weak reasoning is scummy. But if a player constantly does it as town, then you shouldn't say "oh well I guess I should suspect himlessbecause it's him", you should say "oh, he's just doing his usual thing, I shouldn't care about that unless I see somethingelsescummy he does".-
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I'm not sure I'm wrapping my head around what we're discussing Dragon. What's the point of contention? My post #83 where I said the thing you did was, from my opinion, scummy but not as much in your case because I know you do it as town?-
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I'm kinda zoned out of this game and don't remember anything anymore sorry
I think this is a gamestate in which town loses the majority of the time btwI'll tie your legs
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I've got a short set of notes I have written up to help me keep track of things and this was something I added (albeit in different wording) when I got back and read over the thread an hour ago lmaoIn post 246, Gimli wrote: I think this is a gamestate in which town loses the majority of the time btw-
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In post 243, Cometbright wrote: I'm kinda tempted for everyone to share their current elimination pools (list of people you'd be okay with executing today) and seeing if we can establish some common block here just so we can prompt some more pointed poking here and narrow the focus further. Thoughts?-
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yes let me think about this
I have you and DE as townies, let's hope I'm right.
7 players to parse through, clear 3 for the win
(checks the playerlist)
Im pretty sure I'm just gonna be null on everyone but I'm doing ISOs now I guess.I'll tie your legs
Keep you against my chest
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