Mini Normal 2317 - Postgame

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VOTE: Elements

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Now that's out of the way
VOTE: Eiralox

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VOTE: Naerys
The H based greeting tell never lies

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VOTE: Bingle

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I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?

VOTE: KeyLaga

Wdym? IC is actually a very weak role in the wider spectrum of things. Basically the only thing we can deduce there is that there’s some method of kill prevention but that it’s not foolproof.

Well… there’s a lot of other minor considerations, but that’s the one that’s most likely to be relevant.

I'm informed and my info is there's no method of kill prevention, it's just setup wifom for scum

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VOTE: keylaga
Follow the wagon!

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@Elements: I asked you at least one question. Why do you think Gamma is protecting you btw?

Gamma is the protecting me, it just knows me better than you

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And your explanation for being Informed?

Left as an exercise for the reader

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@Gamma: Sounds like he is possibly rolefishing to me.

If this is about me, check my pronouns pls xox

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But like it doesn’t work if i claim it

So we're both informed about things we shouldn't claim.
Negative utility information?
Seems like a fun setup

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Bloop

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Wait so it wasn't a joke Ele? Are you serious about your informed?

I'll tell you if you VOTE: bingle

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What's up evens, stevens, and ice cream heathens?

VOTE: Elements

This is a somewhat serious vote

What makes me scum?

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@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

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@Out: I guess you don't have meta on Elements, huh?

I like to think no one can meta me
I at least don't think I've ever seen anyone do it successfully

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E-2?

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It might be e-3

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Cool, 2 other people come vote bingle

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Cool, 2 other people come vote bingle

Do you have a grudge against me I’m unaware of? Cause this is legitimately starting to feel personal.

Did I try get you to e-1 day one last time too?
I just want a game where we get every player to e-1 day 1

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Nah, there's a gated roleblocker and some sort of investigative on the scumteam
No need for a strongman with no protective

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INTENTION TO RETURN BINGLE TO L-1

VOTE: keylaga
We've done it once we can do it again

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Dont worry Bingle, I’ll protect you

VOTE: Bingle

<3

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Not to mention Elements needs to clarify THEIR Informed and based on that I have to re-think...

No I don't

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Cool, 2 other people come vote bingle

Do you have a grudge against me I’m unaware of? Cause this is legitimately starting to feel personal.

Did I try get you to e-1 day one last time too?
I just want a game where we get every player to e-1 day 1

3rd game in a row. Don’t particularly have an issue with it, just wanted to know if there was a grudge so I could avoid signing up for games you were in if there was.

Not at all, I enjoy games with you.
I would say I'll remember not to go for you first next time but given how well it went today I'm thinking maybe I'll start trying to speed run Bingle% to get to you e-1 within the first page

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@Elements: Ma'am, could you please describe your case for Bingle, since you were just voting for them?

I don't have a case fir bingle, I just want a game where everyone gets to e-1 day 1

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INTENTION TO RETURN BINGLE TO L-1

VOTE: keylaga
We've done it once we can do it again

Nah, they're very much 2W2BW atm. Not interested for D1.

Cool, 2 other people come vote bingle

Do you have a grudge against me I’m unaware of? Cause this is legitimately starting to feel personal.

Did I try get you to e-1 day one last time too?
I just want a game where we get every player to e-1 day 1

3rd game in a row. Don’t particularly have an issue with it, just wanted to know if there was a grudge so I could avoid signing up for games you were in if there was.

Not at all, I enjoy games with you.
I would say I'll remember not to go for you first next time but given how well it went today I'm thinking maybe I'll start trying to speed run Bingle% to get to you e-1 within the first page

Oh, feel free. I don't actually have a problem with being run up early, it just seemed odd that it kept happening specifically at your behest. Feel free to keep running me up out the gate.

Also, I successfully meta townread you last game. It hasn't been stresstested yet, but I feel fairly confident that if you're town I can recognize that.

That's exiting! (Meta read)
And yeah, I agree with you about key after the last couple of pages.
VOTE: random nurse

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Bloop

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no one likes playing mountainous

I love playing mountinous....


...irl

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VOTE: gamma

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Nah, there's a gated roleblocker and some sort of investigative on the scumteam
No need for a strongman with no protective

Okay, let me say what I meant to say yesterday.

I am informed.

My informed contradicts how you say there is no protective.

...

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you could've just not said that

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no wories in that case

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I just made it up and thought it was obvious I did so
but apparently people took it seriously so I thought I'd try wifom scum into wasting a kill

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Might as well out the full informed, paraphrased. I am informed that a maf knows that there is a TP.

key's response to my calim doesn't read as scum who knew there was a TP

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Bingle seems town too

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Bloop

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Bingle/Key/Kitty/Cele good start

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HOW DARE YOU.

sorry....

It's okay, I'm joking, sorry if I didn't make it obvious enough.

- Alianna

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HOW DARE YOU.

sorry....

It's okay, I'm joking, sorry if I didn't make it obvious enough.

- Alianna

ye I got the joke all good x

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Bingle/Key/Kitty/Cele good start

I also got good vibes on OWER, we'll see if that solidifies.

I can see the vibes, they don't sway me either way atm

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there's something i was going to say, but I've forgotten what it was

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that was is
I don't meta people
too much effort
I get bored reading through games

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...

What do you think of my town block?

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Uh

Busy busy bees

Can agree flavor slot probably +town
Caught up but little 2 say
Be useful whenever

seeing as you're here, same quesiton to you

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...

What do you think of my town block?

I hate it because in general Town blocks typically shield competent Scum

sure
what do you think about the players in it then?

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Was there much suspicion on Smiley at the end of day 1?

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Was there much suspicion on Smiley at the end of day 1?

Wrong game, i believe.

Yup, thanks for that

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I think where we can work together, is to realize that Elements' actions have had a negative effect upon this town and that we can re-group and start nailing scum like skeet shots.

What negative effects?

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I think where we can work together, is to realize that Elements' actions have had a negative effect upon this town and that we can re-group and start nailing scum like skeet shots.

What negative effects?

For one, I have wasted a lot of time on a Bingle case that had no basis in reality and was singly cause by your fakeclaiming. Assuming that Bingle is town, this has interfered with our interactions in a negative way.

Secondly, your fakeclaim has outed an Informed townsperson, which is all I am going to say about that.

I've gotten 3 townreads out of it
The informed claimed info the mafia already knew, and could also just be scum claiming the info they know.

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Oh and Mafia knows that there is a protective so I didn't ruin any possible play, I only helped inform (no pun intended) the IC's play.

And I'm assuming kitty was going to claim his information at some point anyway

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Why is not outing that info smart?

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Why is not outing that info smart?

I think you know already. I am willing to say I know you know, in fact.

It's something scum know, why would you not tell town? Then town aren't on the back foot and it tells the tp that crumbing in dangerous as scum could be looking out for it

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I see no downside

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Kitty's info

I am informed that a maf knows that there is a TP.

Scum knows there is a pr
Scum will now be on the lookout for any town that are crumbing a protective role
By telling town that Scum knows there's a pt, it protects the TP from getting found by Scum as easily

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Ate traitors normal?

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There is zero downside to telling town anything that scum knows

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Kitty could be an informed traitor

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Ate traitors normal?

This question bothers me, I think they’ve been in a normal game with a traitor before? Not 100% sure though.

Only game I can remember with a traitor was hms mutiny

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Ate traitors normal?

This question bothers me, I think they’ve been in a normal game with a traitor before? Not 100% sure though.

Only game I can remember with a traitor was hms mutiny

Had 1 in a normal hosted by umlaut

Fun

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In other words, I believe the "accidental" fakeclaim came straight from the scum PT.

You keep saying "accidental" like it means something
I did a, what I thought, was a joke response to Binlge talking about setup spec specifically to undermine what he said. Then a bunch of people took me seriously so I thought I'd keep up the charade and see if I couldn't wifom scum.
What's "accidental" about that?

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Hi Chell,
You should probably VOTE: khaos btw

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Why chaos?

get everyone to e-1 remember

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Just a word of advice Chell, I think you will agree (since everyone knows you and thus you must be experienced) that Khaos is definitely lhf and I believe there is a better lim today, with plenty of time left? At least would you agree that wagoning up to a claim would be ill advised atm?

why do you assume every wagon aims for a lim?

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Just a word of advice Chell, I think you will agree (since everyone knows you and thus you must be experienced) that Khaos is definitely lhf and I believe there is a better lim today, with plenty of time left? At least would you agree that wagoning up to a claim would be ill advised atm?

why do you assume every wagon aims for a lim?

or a claim for that matter

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Khaos is definitely lhf

can you elaborate on this please

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we're not forcing anythign

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you're jumping rapidly to conclusions that aren't there

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I know that Khaos is lhf

you still haven't explained why

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Bloop

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no one is forcing anyone to claim!

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Its not the slot that matters, its the wagon leading to the claim, it just so happens that is where the wagon is, right at this moment. I don't care where the wagon is, I would say the same thing and would even want to speak with Kitty before doing anything drastic with Elements.

what does this mean?

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I’m a rolecop with a N0 peek and I used it in whatever slot Dr. Drew is going to replace into. He’s a cult mentor.

Right here, drew.

Still can't believe I full claimed so early in the game

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In reality a few people have claimed to be Informed, Elements was apparently a loljoke.

I'm pretty sure I was also the one that claimed this game was based around players being informed too?

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Flavor was joking

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Basically the only thing we can deduce there is that there’s some method of kill prevention

I'm informed and my info is there's no method of kill prevention, it's just setup wifom for scum

You're right Key
There's no way I could possibly have been joking with my claim

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Bloop

<3

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This is clearly a Informed themed game and how did she know this when nobody had claimed prior to her? Her confederates received the Informed roles too.
I would adjure you not to dismiss me out of hand, work through the actual logic, confront me with it and I will answer every step.

Is it? Was it described as such in the sign ups?

90% of what Key is saying is speculative but said in a way claiming it to be real

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Look this is blowing up right now but I wished to discuss this with Kitty (the counter claim) but JUST BY LOGIC ALONE the scum received 1-3 Informed roles, which also informed them and which is why they dared to fakeclaim like that.

Show me the logic

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Key
I want you
To show the logic of how I'm scum
Step by step
Do not jump to any conclusions or begin with any assumptions about anyone's alignment

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It must be so, you as town had NO way of knowing there were any Informed roles.

How do you know I'm not informed about something else?

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You deliberately fakeclaimed a demonstrably false Informed that would be counter-claimed.

There is no logic pointing to it definitely being counter claimed

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I actually hate being the IC tbh.

Yeah...I'm not quite sure what to do with it. My plan is to maybe start casting wild accusations at people and maybe bait scum into something. But maybe KL is already doing that.

I would say that you are Informed that this is actually a bastard game and you being IC is a mod lie.

Most convincing case on anyone this gaem

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Three people have claimed informed:
The actual claim

I am informed.

My informed contradicts how you say there is no protective.

The joke claim

I'm informed and my info is there's no method of kill prevention, it's just setup wifom for scum

The second joke claim clearly made because of my joke claim and because Flavor knew it was a joke claim

I am Informed of something that a Mass claim could catch a scum.

The only post about this being a setup based around informed players

But like it doesn’t work if i claim it

So we're both informed about things we shouldn't claim.
Negative utility information?
Seems like a fun setup

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besides, what game has an IC with no protection roles?? Are you serious??

THIS IS LITERALLY WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID IN 20

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Or more properly, no protection roles for the town, is like I don't even, notwithstanding the IC.

what is your mafia experience?

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VOTE: Elements kill me so i can leave

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an Informed game

What do you mean by "an informed game"?

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an Informed game

What do you mean by "an informed game"?

answer this please

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You know what I mean, I have already said it many times -- this is an Informed themed game and you as town had NO way of knowing that -- as scum, you received 2 Informed roles and the goon didn't get one. That's why you dared to fakeclaim.

this isn't an answer to the question
ignoring this game
what do you consider to be an informed theme game

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I'm just gonna leave these here and let everyone else figure out the rest, I'm done with this argument

I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?

VOTE: KeyLaga

Wdym? IC is actually a very weak role in the wider spectrum of things. Basically the only thing we can deduce there is that there’s some method of kill prevention but that it’s not foolproof.

Well… there’s a lot of other minor considerations, but that’s the one that’s most likely to be relevant.

I'm informed and my info is there's no method of kill prevention, it's just setup wifom for scum

You deliberately fakeclaimed a demonstrably false Informed that would be counter-claimed.

There is no logic pointing to it definitely being counter claimed

You probably received 2-3 Informed roles and were able to put 2 & 2 together -- besides, what game has an IC with no protection roles?? Are you serious??

VOTE: key

Sorry everyone for cloggin up the thread

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im reading this frustration geniune for now.

I'm pretty sure my frustration would be real reguardless of my alignment here

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Even if she was joking how do you pull THAT joke when there is no such information -- besides there is scum purpose in the "claim" to which there was no hint of any joke.

Ftr I think I see it but your presentation could use some work

seriously gamma?

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im reading this frustration geniune for now.

I'm pretty sure my frustration would be real reguardless of my alignment here

any thoughts about how KeyLaga has been speaking about KittyTacky?

way too confident the slot is town

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Kitty could be an informed traitor

Why would I out my informed to town then?

I don't actually think you're a traitor
But if you were then outing it to the town is also outing it to your team

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Remember if we believe Elements is town then we believe he oopsed an Inform claim in a Informed themed game, where as town he should of had no prior knowledge. Prior knowledge could only have come from one place, the scum PT.

Again, where was it stated this is a informed game??

I'm informed that at least 1 scum is informed, and Flavor leaf is separately informed.

Do scum get informed individually or are they informed as part of their factional abil8ty?

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Cool

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Kitty could be an informed traitor

Why would I out my informed to town then?

I don't actually think you're a traitor
But if you were then outing it to the town is also outing it to your team

My informed is that scum knows that there is a PR.

There is no benefit in outing that to scum, because they already have the information useful for them!

in the trator scenario you're informed is "there is a town protective"

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First of all, both elements and chell are mildly sus based on the informed claims, and solely the informed claims.

However, key is absolutely wrong about elements’ claim being obvscum behavior. If elements claimed information that she didn’t actually have as scum informed, it paints a target on her back and kills the long term survivability of the slot. She will always be a little scummy associated with the claim, and scum elements would have known that.

Regardless of elements’ actual alignment, I’m not particularly interested in wagoning her atm because the game has been entirely too focused on the mech and not enough focused on the players themselves. And that’s coming from me. I don’t think we learn much of value from eel’s flip either way just yet, and I want to explore other directions. FMPOV there are some fairly town slots and a bunch of slots who are just kind of meh. I want to focus on other slots that are kind of meh to make them less kind of meh.

Eiralox, who is your biggest suspect outside of the ‘1v1’?

town post

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Feelin' cute, might VC later.

I might town bin you for this post alone

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UNVOTE:

i have one extremely confident scum read

Why aren't you voting them?

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Feelin' cute, might VC later.

I might town bin you for this post alone

The joke is gone, but bianco had pagetopped "Vc later" before she posted the actual VC

Ye I saw it at the time
Twas funny

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elements, KT, khaos are town a vast majority of the time

random nurse and gamma i want to say are town but i need to revisit more

Could you expand a bit on nurse?

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VOTE: Chell

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Eira isn't necessarily town, but this day one play isn't scum indicative

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KeyLaga
Chell
Gamma Emerald

Doctor Drew
Organized Khaos
Random Nurse
Naerys
OutWorldER

KittyTacky
Eiralox
Bingle
Celebloki

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Interesting about face on Key, Ele. Care to elaborate?

Its groups of how much I want to vote someone
Not a read list

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Idk
I just am concerned why I am on the same tier as Key (which I presume is the tier Elements most wants to vote)

have i been in a game where you've been scum?

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i want to be in a game with scum you
so i'm trying to manifest it by wantnig to vote you

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Wait you’ve played with scum!me, the quote in your sig was by scum!me!

You have a better memory than me, I don't remember which game that was even from

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Idk
I just am concerned why I am on the same tier as Key (which I presume is the tier Elements most wants to vote)

have i been in a game where you've been scum?

I could say the same for you, don't believe I have seen you as scum.

You're probably right
I enjoy rolling scum

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I didn’t remember you being SK in that game tho

Oh that game
Yea I had no idea what I was doing there

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Bloop

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VOTE: Naerys

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VOTE: keylaga

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VOTE: Naerys

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VOTE: RN

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Also this is kinda funny:

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

I thought it sounded like scum speaking in the "we" as opposed to the town "we" (yes, tenuous at best). But then he revealed he is a game designer and I realized there was no way he could scum-slip there.

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

There is exactly 1 minute between those posts. Are they reading their minds or what?

we co-ordinated it in the scum pt

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Element feels fake, Laga geniune

can you quote what I've said that feels fake?

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if being obstereperous is fake then sure

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Bloop

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about 1% of my posts are bloops

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about 1% of my posts are bloops

But what percentage of your bloops are posts?

probably a surprisingly low number

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VOTE: KeyLaga

VOTE: keylaga

eh VOTE: Naerys

VOTE: Naerys

UNVOTE: Naerys


ugh gimme 24 hours i need a break lol

VOTE: RN

VOTE: Elements
Don’t be a leech

VOTE: Elements
Bite me
(Leech joke)

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VOTE: Doctor Drew

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Eira close the tab!

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Intent to hammer

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OH no I am mod killed. I meant They not MR. :'(

you can say "Mx." fyi

I quite like Mm

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Have a pagetop someone

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Maybe when I get home
I'm sitting waiting for my car to charge

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Eira isn't even at e-1

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Ya know what that mean

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VOTE: eira

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2 down, 11 to go
VOTE: outworld

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voting someone =/= wagoning someone

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You voted 2 people immediately after someone else, they’re equivalent in your case imo

for those two vote sure

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UNVOTE:

i have one extremely confident scum read

there is 1 pretty good reason to think organized khaos is town

can anyone find it

You ready to expand on these yet?

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Can agree with the town block presented in 227.

how are you feeling about it now?

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@Kitty, you gat any thoughts on Gamma?

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Everyone Take Note: Elements was all over that Eiras wagon from the moment it took hold & made all sorts of votes BUT NOT EIRAS THE WAGON. What happened to their wagon lust E-1 everyone?? I mean you can literally go back to when the wagon started and see them posting AND VOTING all over the place but no vote for Eira THE WAGON!? Wow suddenly quite atypical for Elements huh?

Well that's good maybe they are changing their wagoning ways? LOL of course not, now they want to vote Out (lol not going to happen) -- why did I have to drag Elements out kicking and screaming to vote Eira? I mean I'm just asking...

With this + previous messages, yeah you have a point. Was null on Eaira, now Eira sus imo and Ele even susser.

there is no point
it's like none of you have played day 1 with me before

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VOTE: OutWorldER
VOTE: Naerys x6!!!
VOTE: KeyLaga
VOTE: Doctor Drew

this is a town voting history

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VOTE: Naerys
Her read progressions feel fake

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poolb

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because that's been going so well

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Nice bloop Elements

thought I'd shake it up a bit

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because that's been going so well

this was a response to the pagetop btw

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Naerys posting and progression feels good to me

I feel the opposite, especially around me, key, and you

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Time until thread death
(expired on 2023-11-10 21:01:00)

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Me being honest again results in called being fake. Lol. Idk what i am doing wrong anymore

your progresion on the me/key interaction looks like you were deciding where you wanted to fall on the situation rather than actual reads

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is anyone scumreading Key?

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Bloop

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oh elements is on me
so yeah at this point we can form better wagons so got no mind to use my time otherwise

I'm not on you?

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@Gamma

Spoiler: Progression Quotes

VOTE: KeyLaga
Pretty sure Elements is trolling and Key taking the bait isn’t great.

To me it feels like a newbie town response

Should we run Elements up here under LAL?

Seems like fine lim for me

Hm...
Ele vs Key might be TvT
Also, greetings Doctor Drew

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

Nope. I find Eira´s posts to be suspicious. Its certainly deserving of putting some pressure on Eira. Everyone deserves scrutiny. How else am i to figure who is town and who is scum, if not from their reactions? I dislike D1 too, but thats not a reason for not trying to sort people out.

you're just sorting me
not touching all my spam
starting to think Bingle is 100% right on u

I dont understand. Of course i am trying to sort people. You and Elements belong to the suspicious group. Then there is null group, where are mainly people i would like to hear more from - Nurse, OutWorldER,Khaos.Also Binge is there, they are pretty hard for me to read.
As town i have Gamma, Celebloki,Kitty.
Chell,Drew and Laga i have yet to sort. Their time will come.

I am starting to believe OutWorldER-Laga-Elements contains atleast 1 scum.
Got bit of sidetracked while answering to Eira.
Element/Laga feels a bit like theatre early, later the argument feels genuine from Laga
Laga has some posts that feel towny and then some posts that do not sit really well with me.

Why is not outing that info smart?

I think you know already. I am willing to say I know you know, in fact.

It's something scum know, why would you not tell town?

WOW! The scum know this?? I THINK MOST CERTAINLY NOT! Why do I think this? Because here you are trying to justify your actions.

Then town aren't on the back foot and it tells the tp that crumbing in dangerous as scum could be looking out for it

I am certainly willing to have an actual conversation with you but I can't quite figure out what you mean by this last quote if you could please re-phrase it somehow?

Element feels fake, Laga geniune

The current resting place of Naerys' reads are:
Elements Scum
Key eh
Which is a very favorable position for scum to be in. Using Key's push to leverage my mis-lim, then easily able to push Key at a later date for being wrong about me.
The movement from TRing Key to putting some sus on the slot but also making sure people know there is more sus on me rubs me the wrong way.

the read change on you for feeling "like 245" just felt very un thought out to me. that one's a bit washy

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is anyone scumreading Key?

Mmm I dislike this, feels like trying to gauge the interest to determine if pushing there is a good idea

I'm not guaging interest
I will be pushing Key later interest or not
I just can't think of anyone other than Eira that has expressed a scumlean on Key

also, you're giving me way to much credit for thinking into the future

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Let's All Vote Key

A thought experiment

KeyLage currently has almost 400 posts. That's nearly the same amount as the other 3 top posters combined.
Key is clogging the thread
Most of what Key is saying is just repeating himself, not actually adding any new content to the game

Alive

If Key is town

Town Key will never be night killed. His insistant spamming will always and only ever serve scum.
Key is hard tunneling players. If any of these players are town, scum can use this to get an easy mislim and then push most of the blame onto Key, lining up yet another mislim.

If Key is scum

Key is forcing the game to center around himself. The shear quantity of his posts means it's impossible for there to be a meaningful interation that doesn't involve him, letting Key influence every part of the game.
Key's play seems to be largely townread so if scum it's clearly working for him.

Dead

The thread stops being spammed by repeated posts that don't really say anything or add to the gamestate

If Key is town

There are interactions between Key and every player, therefore it is a high info flip.

If Key is scum

Good job us, we've killed a scum

[Elements]

Making a large number of posts isnt AI. Check large 244 where Flavor and Virgo made HUGE number of posts. Both were town.

At no point have I said high post count is ai
It's detrimental to the thread and allows scum to hide if key is town

[Elements]

@Key
When I flip town, and when/if Eira flips town, where do you go from there?

[Elements]

Hey look

[Elements]

There is a fluff/noise:content ratio. If someone's has a high fluff ratio, they should be mod-killed or policy limmed. However, if they have quality content and their fluff is low compared to it, it needs to be accepted.

Just gonna quote this

[Elements]

@Key
When I flip town, and when/if Eira flips town, where do you go from there?

Are you claiming there is a Janitor in this game? I don't think they are allowed in Normal games.

Not even willing to consider possibilities differing to your own?
A very town mindset

[Elements]

@Key
When I flip town, and when/if Eira flips town, where do you go from there?

Are you claiming there is a Janitor in this game? I don't think they are allowed in Normal games.

???
What about that post suggests Janitor?

Key is implying the only way I don't flip scum is if there's a way to mess with my flip I think

[Elements]

@Key
When I flip town, and when/if Eira flips town, where do you go from there?

Are you claiming there is a Janitor in this game? I don't think they are allowed in Normal games.

???
What about that post suggests Janitor?

I was joking with Elements. They are trying to play on my townie uninformed weakness.

I don't believe you
There's no way this could be a joke
KeyLaga KNOWS there isn't a Janitor because KeyLaga IS SCUM and therefore knows the scum team and knows there isn't a janitor

[Elements]

I guess I could be a Day Cop though right?

Bo

[Elements]

*no

[Elements]

ORLY? Please point to me in the Queue or in the Wiki where Janitor appears as a possible role in Normal games? If you can do that I will Lim myself. kthxbai!

Are you going to answer my question or not?

[Elements]

Unless you would like to time travel with me, I guess I can't answer that question other than I have.

You're doing that job well enough yourself

[Elements]

And don't get me wrong. I have sorted you all game long and at one point you were in my townlist. So don't try and paint me as an unthinking player please.

And which point was that?

[Elements]

So you town read me for not a real reason
Got ya

[Elements]

I want it

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Not a real reason

[Elements]

VOTE: elements
I'm vt
Flip me and end this garbage from key

[Elements]

@Key
@Naerys
Put your money where your mouth is and vote me

[Elements]

VOTE: elements
I'm vt
Flip me and end this garbage from key

feels

<3

[Elements]

I simply would adjure you to play to your wincon, as frustrating as I will definitely be making it for you. If your team wishes to surrender, I believe that is allowed.

Vote me

[Elements]

In due time.

Vote me now

[Elements]

In due time.

Vote me now

gamma x naerys x keylaga patterns feel a bit weird to me

If I was a multishot day vig, those would be my shots

[Elements]

Town relations can often feel weird to non-aligned parties, its perfectly understandable. I think you should get humping on your Elements case.

Please just stop talking

[Elements]

Btw I am calling out Khaos for not answering me regarding what is going on IRL that is keeping them busy. I think we all deserve an answer to this.

No we don't
We have no right to know what's happening in people's lives

[Elements]

6 and a half hours isn't even a standard office work day

[Elements]

Also

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Do you think I'm aligned with khaos?

[Elements]

When I flip town, and when/if Eira flips town, where do you go from there?

@gamma
@naerys
to you too

[Elements]

In due time.

Vote me now

You stay out of this, he doesn’t have to shoot you now.

How can I stay out of it?
It's specifically about me

[Elements]

When I flip town, and when/if Eira flips town, where do you go from there?

@gamma
@naerys
to you too

Chell most likely though I probably vote her before Eiralox

What does it do to your reads on Key and naerys?

[Elements]

Despite being 52 pages long it feels like very little has happened this game

[Elements]

Ftr my townread on Naerys has dipped pretty recently

Why?

I think town!you would respond differently after having explained your TR on me as being based on that game, you deflected my point to talk about Chell’s predecessor

I also don't like her recent interactions with Key either

[Elements]

I was curious why you SR Chell bcz i personally lean town there. So i was curious if you noticed something i might have missed.
With players i have already played i build my reads based on experience and feeling. Also its still only D1 and there is nothing much to look at, except Laga going after both Eira and Elements.

@Elements: Please respond to this reply by Naer.

Vote me coward

[Elements]

Time until thread death
(expired on 2023-11-10 21:01:00)

Times up
You have no excuse now

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

The problem with this modding duo is that there won't be any twighlight

[Elements]

Key's Case On Elements

A dissection

Relevent Game Events

Spoiler:

20 - Elements claims informed that there are no town protectives
22 - Key's first question reguarding the claim
29 - Kitty asserts suspicion on Elements' claim
43 - FL/Chell claims informed that everyone massclaiming is a good idea
46 - Elements comments about it being a negative utility informaiton setup
48 - Kitty postulates it's an informed themed game
212 - Kitty claims informed that is the opposite to Elements' informed claim
220 - Elements retracts their claim, saying it was a joke
264 - Key TRing Elements
339 - Key proposes lim all liars on Elements

Key's Proposed World

For those that haven't read it enough times already

This is an informed themed game
Scum team of 3, 2 of which are informed
Elements claimed informed that there are no town protectives to role fish for PRs so scum know who to kill
Kitty counterclaimed Elements outing it as scum

Assumptions Key has made to form this world

This is an informed theme game - We know of 1 informed role, likely 2 given the nature of the claim. That does not imply an informed theme game.
2 of the scum team are informed - see above

The entire basis for Key's push on me is based on an assumption based on 1 informed claim and 2 fake informed claims
It is not a good case

[Elements]

I'm now done
If y'all still listen to Key I'll have fun complaining about you in the dead thread

[Elements]

I'm clearly playing to my wincon

[Elements]

I am not using ate

[Elements]

VOTE: Naerys

[Elements]

Well done! Glad to see your thoughts. Your effort is appreciated

This is likely a scum statement

I felt similarly

[Elements]

@Elements: U okay with staying on a mailman?

It's an nai claim

[Elements]

So yes

[Elements]

I wish I was scum with Eira
Then at least this day would have some sort of point to it