telling me hes a traitor and telling randoscum hes a traitor is essentially the same thing. its the actions that matter, why would gob faking a cop guilty or even joking about a cop guilty on me affect that, ss?
seems unnecessary narrow and completely dodges the performative nature of it
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P: the action is intended to inform people by its irregularity, and it needednt even be a single motion but could be one in a series
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How would a theoretical traitor!psyche let his partners know he was a traitor, psyche? what signal types do you use?
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So how is gob claiming cop with a fakeclaim with a conviction somewhere between a joke and a farce more contextually relevant to my slot as SS said
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I think fakeclaining out the gate day1 and then faking a guilty out the gate day2 is a little more pronounced than 'any old irregularity'
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it's repeated at regular intervals , intentional, and it's eye catching while typically being dismissed as nai or only slightly off skew for anyone uninformed
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essentially its exactly a signal. a sort of 'dog whistle' to steal the term
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In post 902, pisskop wrote:
How would a theoretical traitor!psyche let his partners know he was a traitor, psyche? what signal types do you use?
feel the only way a traitor could do that is by acting scummy and then hoping only scum notices it's scummy. generally self-defeating w/o extra information. and also hard to distinguish from scumminess in general.
i guess your idea is that a traitor will look scummy, but almost like they're being scummy on purpose? kind of like a jester tell but without the commitment?
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In post 900, pisskop wrote:
telling me hes a traitor and telling randoscum hes a traitor is essentially the same thing. its the actions that matter, why would gob faking a cop guilty or even joking about a cop guilty on me affect that, ss?
My understanding is that, at least in theory, a traitor signal should tell a specific person that you know they're scum, in a way that uninformed townies wouldn't pick up on. Not just broadcast to the whole game. Maybe that's not how traitors play in practice; I don't know, and gob is from another site so all bets are off probably.
My other point still stands though that it's a mechanical blunder to target someone specifically because you think they're traitor. In the best case (unless they're randomly groupscum) you've barely advanced the town wincon, and in the worst case you've killed a townie and gained no info.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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can i ask why, at the risk of you repeating something you may have said and I glazed over
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I really hate fakeclaiming. Seems particular harmful to fakeclaim cop in a setup like this. What would gob have done if someone had CC'd him? Say "woops sry" and go on w/o any shame? But otoh it's hard to see mafia doing something that irresponsible either, even accounting for the traitor tell rationale.
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In post 918, Psyche wrote:
I really hate fakeclaiming. Seems particular harmful to fakeclaim cop in a setup like this. What would gob have done if someone had CC'd him? Say "woops sry" and go on w/o any shame? But otoh it's hard to see mafia doing something that irresponsible either, even accounting for the traitor tell rationale.
If the real cop did that then they would be bad. Not on me.
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