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well i never got my RV, so iVote CrazyShowNow taking sign ups:
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Just an idea here, but the RVS is supposed to be random, so yeah everyone voting the same person defeats the idea. lolShowNow taking sign ups:
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okay to be honest i don't at all like ortolans idea of the PR's claiming right now. that just seems scummy to me. however, an idea that i like a little better, which was done in a game i just finished. is everyone fake claims as hider. and you say i hid behind (player) last night, so they are town. and then right before night everyone claims who they will hide behind if they were hider. so right now no one is cleared, and the mafia don't have a clue who the hider is, but whenever the hider dies, the town can go back and look at their reports and find who is actually cleared, and who the hider died behind.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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so by doing what i said we should do we are somehow not playing mafia?camn wrote:afatchic plan seems good, and fun.
ortolan's obsession with gaming the power roles is neither good, nor fun.
The answer is.. we should be playing mafia instead.Does anyone have any reason we should not do this?
you say we should stop talking about power roles, yet that seems to be what your enitre last post was about, being a little hypocritical?
for being against something that may be very helpful for the town.
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camn- sorry i misunderstood what you was trying to say, but i get it now. i also thought ort seemed very scummy with his behavior over the PR's, but it seemed somewhat newbish to me, just something to keep in mind though.
however i don't really agree with what TCS is saying. first by doing what i said, it would give an inno from last night upon the hiders death. if the hider dies, plus a nk on a person the hider didn't claim to hide behind, you have caught one mafia. finally, if the hider becomes so obvious that the mafia know who to shoot and get a double kill, then it should be obvious to the watcher, and yet again we catch a mafia. IMO this seems like the only way to make the most of the hider role.
So can you please explain how this plan is flawed....? FOS TCSShowNow taking sign ups:
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bion- also include who you hid behind last night, this bring up cleared townies and makes it easier.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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TCS the odds of the hider getting double killed is very high. however if we don't do anything to try and use the hider to our advantage we will never get the innocents that they found. and once they die we can go and figure out who the innocents are.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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just out of curiosity does anyone other than me see something going terribly wrong with the hypoclaim?ShowNow taking sign ups:
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hmm.... hadn't thought about that, when we used this before it was with a cop, so that didn't really matter.bionicchop2 wrote:
If somebody picked mafia n1 in their list , then mafia would know which ones are fake.afatchic wrote:just out of curiosity does anyone other than me see something going terribly wrong with the hypoclaim?
Maybe we should skip night 1 for now?
however my problem was, as a hider your job is too clear townies, and eventually find the mafia, resulting in your death. you just have to breadcrumb it enough to let the town know who you are visiting each night. so therefore.... why would you visit the same person n1 and 2?ShowNow taking sign ups:
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strangerCoug can you please explain to me why a hider would hide behind the same person two nights in a row? i don't really understand this idea, just seems that all you are worried about is self preservation.
ill go next, but i don't know how to do the quote box thing, so if someone can do it for mine and SC's above me that would be great.
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This is the first game i have played with a hider, so i really don't have any idea about it, which is why i am asking questions. and yeah i just said i would hide behind you as a random since you was right above me, only the actual hider has to worry about making a decent guess at who to hide behind.StrangerCoug wrote:
Because I don't have any better candidates in mind and this is only the first or second game I've played with a hider role. Apologies for not being familiar with the role.afatchic wrote:strangerCoug can you please explain to me why a hider would hide behind the same person two nights in a row? i don't really understand this idea, just seems that all you are worried about is self preservation.
You just accused me of being worried about self-preservation, yet you want to hide behind me. I don't get it.afatchic wrote:I hid behind icemanE last night and will hide behind SC tonight.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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camn your last post is QFT, just really long to actually quote.
also please no one left pick the same person.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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if the person he says he will hide behind and the hider both die, then its most likely a double kill. if a random person dies, plus the hider, then he hid behind a scum.Xtoxm wrote:Want to find scum? That's a .. different approach.
Hang on a minute...I don't get how it works.
It could be scum causing hider death...But couldn't it equally be killing of innocent he hid behind?ShowNow taking sign ups:
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yeah i agree actually. i think i messed up earlier saying their job is too find scum. i would actually think it would be better for them to clear about 3 or 4 people, then find a scum. but it all works i guess.Xtoxm wrote:Hmm..I think it works, actually. Though it's prob better for hider to stay alive with multiple town cleared.
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camn how do i make the list and i will do it myself, just don't have any idea how to.
now that i think about everyone has put in there targets... we need to get to lynching, just don't really know how to transition. lol.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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care to explain how you are so sure that one of these two is mafia after only 6 pages, most of which is useless talk. i would also be interested in what makes going last scummy, while he may have intentionally done it, he may just not have been on lately.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I think that the fact that panda stomper waited to go last is as good a reason as any to vote him. Between him and orangepenguin I think we have about a 50% chance of lynching scum.
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Since nothing is happening, so i think we need some sort of a wagon to get things rolling, and because i really think he is scum...UNVOTE, VOTE The Central ScrutinizerShowNow taking sign ups:
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care to shed some light?Xtoxm wrote:I am not liking this TCS wagon at all.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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sorry for my "mindless bandwagoning" that actually got you to talk[/sarcasm]StrangerCoug wrote:FoS: afatchicfor mindlessly bandwagoning andHoS: bionicchop2for OMGUS and not giving reasons for his last two votes.
but really.... i thought you was scum. and i thought a bandwagon was a good idea... in that order. when i placed the vote though, i didn't go look as i new it wasn't close to a lynch and thought it was only the second vote.
when i get home i will make a decent post of why i think TCS is likely scum.
also TCS in post 164 why are you already talking about your deadline vote. how bout we pick up the activity and not worry about the deadline right now. that post seems scummy to me.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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no by all means include me into this group. actually i think everyone should almost be included in this group, unless you are hider in which case you know one inno. given certain conditions i agree that you should start narrowing down your possible suspects in light of the deadline.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
The deadline has been set. I don't see any reason not to talk about it. To say that I will pick from that group of four for my deadline vote is simply to say that I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone else at this juncture. I'm sorry if you feel threatened that you are included in this group.
however this is not one. we have extremely little info to go on right now, the deadline is like two weeks away, and you are already considering a deadline vote? that seems scummy to me. so can you at all tell me why you think the four of us are scum, or why the others are not?
and then you say that you won't be comfortable lynching on of them at this juncture. do you really think that we will be at a similar situation with this limited information in two weeks at deadline?
okay that is completely fine with me, suspect me; question me; do whatever you like, its what you are supposed to do. but the difference is that mine was done in more of an attempt to gain information and get conversation started. which both seemed to happen. (info gathered... bio joined the wagon pretty quickly.)The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I think one of op/panda is scum... and I think a bandwagon is good... and I think that activity wasn't enough at the time I made the vote. If my reasons are suspect then so should yours be; you've done little different from me aside from hopping on a wagon rather than attempting to start one.
the ones that hop onto it, and what basis they have for jumping on it. a lot of time scum won't try to form a wagon in fear that they will get caught defending their wagon, yet are usually quick to jump on half way through, since others are also doing it.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:A question Which do you generally find more likely for scum to do--start a wagon or hop onto one?ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Never do this. setting a trap, normally always catches you. unless you are a mason, in which case you have other proof that you are townie, it normally gets more pressure on you then the person jumping on you. also a lot of times the first person to jump on you is an over eager townie, rather than an opportunistic scum.bionicchop2 wrote:
Reason for vote on TCS - to see who the first player to overreact would be. icemanE stepped into that one nicely. I gave an intentionally easy target for scum to pounce on and point fingers.
also you voted with the promise of a reread and more thought.... hows that coming?ShowNow taking sign ups:
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also im really curious about orangepenguin and crazy's thoughts about everything that has happened over the last three pages or so.
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i didn't mean to say that i had just finished a game as hider where we did this, i meant to say i just finished a game where we did this hypo claim. however in that game we used it as a cop. so could didn't have to out themselves with inno's and their reports became more useful after they got NK'd. i have actually never played with a hider, and prior to seeing it here, have never heard about it.afatchic wrote:bionicchop2 wrote:hmm.... hadn't thought about that, when we used this before it was with a cop, so that didn't really matter.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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just something to say bout this.... a lot of times, especially on day 1, scum will attach to a townie as if they were their partner, so that if they get lynched, the townie goes tomorrow and kinda covers for their partner or if the townie gets lynched first then it kinda clears them to some people. rarely will you catch both scum playing off each other on d1.icemanE wrote:Last page I implied that a scumteam of bio and afatchic was possible. In a quick reread I noticed that they were the two major proponents of the hypoclaim plan. I'm trying to think of a possible scum motivation for suggesting this plan. It is ostensibly protown, from what I can tell. However, they had N1 to discuss how they'd proceed. I will mull it over.
Also, bio's main priority in previous pages seemed to be discussing how the hider should proceed. Coupled with the fact that fat suggested the plan, with bio quickly agreeing with it and then starting it - I dunno, I'll have to watch these two in coming posts.
also i really don't know how that idea can be any help to scum, unless everyone decides to say they hid behind scum last night. which would narrow down the odds for who could be hider.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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TCS my main reason for voting you was more or less to get conversation started... which it has.
i haven't unvoted because i don't like how you are treating it as if the deadline is almost here and you have already narrowed down who you would considered voting for at deadline. can you explain to me why everyone else is clear? right now everyone should be about the same, give or take. since we don't have a whole lot of discussion.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Camn im confused, who do you think is scummiest?ShowNow taking sign ups:
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icemanE- yes i was implying him "buddying up" to me. but i wouldn't try a case on that right now, it seems to early to tell. but there def. a few times where he seems to have just followed me. just something to keep in mind and watch as the game goes on.
Camn that has to be one of the more scummy comments i have seen today about lynching lurkers. that is not how you should approach the situation. only 9 pages in and easy reading, get replacements. if they continue to active lurk ( post exactly every 3 days with no content and one line long) then consider lynching them, but right now worry about the active and let the mod do his job.HOS CAMN.
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heres my first PBPA of the game... and OP gets the honors,
1) confirm
2) defends crazy in RV
3)sarcastic random vote.
4) another sarcastic post
5) hider claim...
6) not really sure, guess ill have to go back and read in context.
7)talks about wiki, still added nothing to the game.
8)says he doesn't like TCS coment... so instead of pressuring, he makes a joke about it. i have seen this done a lot by scum.
9)ERWOP
10)uh oh... actually questions, TCS, but thats because TCS says OP is scum.
11) more game strategy.
So all in all, we are nearly ten pages in and Orangepenguin has added no useful content to the game. i even asked him what his thoughts were, and he adds a one liner about not lynching lurkers.
OP who are your top three suspects and why?
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i didn't mean for it to sound like i thought the one liner was an attempt to answer my question. i just meant that i asked you a question, and yet instead of answering it, all you can do is add a one line comment on strategy. which shows that you are here, yet ignore my question.
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Goodluck with that, i asked as welll and got very little.bionicchop2 wrote:OP- you seem to be the only person with your random vote still hanging around. Please update us on your current top suspect.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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care to explain why? we have like 4 pages of actual info, i know you haven't already found the lynch for today.icemanE wrote:I'm still fine with bio.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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will you just please give a four line answer too him. im curious as to why he wants it, and it seems quite obvious that he had a reason for picking you two out. my guess is that he had already read it prior to that.bionicchop2 wrote:
It isn't happening. Make your point. The next request for me to make a summary will just be spam and won't get a response.Haschel Cedricson wrote:EBWOP: I am NOT asking you to whittle down your posts. In fact, if your summary was from memory that would be even better.
FOS Haschelwho is now a very close 2nd on my suspect list.
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If he does his bullets first... then don't you think think there is a pretty good chance one of then may copy? obviously he has some reason behind doing it.. lets see it first.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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so you don't have any top suspects, or anyone worthy of a vote after 11 pages?orangepenguin wrote:
Er... O.K.Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Explain anyway.orangepenguin wrote:unvote
Pretty self explanatory at this point.
bio = random vote.
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TCS- like hascel said, he hasn't done anything overly scummy, but he has done a lot of minor things noteworthy.camn wrote:UNVOTE
What you were doing THEN merited a vote.. but I like what you have delivered since.
And it's no personality change. I just needed a third. And then the Coug got me all worked up.
@afatchic.. do you have any other suspects .. . other than OP?
Bio- im still not sure about him. he could very well be an over eager townie. he has done well defending himself these past few pages.
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man i think your PBPA is a lil better than mine! but either way its what i was trying to say!ShowNow taking sign ups:
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its not that he is lurking... but rather active lurking. its quite apparent he is here since he comments daily, yet he has added no content and done nothing to help the game along.camn wrote:a lurker by any other name.......still should hang.
I'd rather see an OP lynch than Bio... on principle.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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can you please explain where you get policy lynch from? and also why don't you try and back up your voe with something other than OMGUS. he voted you for the same reason i did, so why haven't i gotten a vote yet?orangepenguin wrote:So basically all I amount to is a policy lynch? That's going to benefit the town for sure.
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im gonna try and make this as simple as possible.Haschel Cedricson wrote:
The only way the case on you is a "policy lynch" is if you agree that you are active lurking. Is this true?orangepenguin wrote:So basically all I amount to is a policy lynch? That's going to benefit the town for sure.
Vote: TCS
Active Lurking = extremely scummy.
Orangepenguin = Active Lurker
Lynching Active Lurker =/= Policy Lynch
therefore:
Lynching OP =/= Policy lynch.
does that make sense?
im voting you and want a lynch on you because i think you are scum, not because you are lurking. TCS never said lynch the lurker, he said lynch the one pretending to help.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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What do you not get about the wagon? we are not voting him for lurking, we are voting him for active lurking, which is scummy. he has made attempts to act like he is helping, but has done nothing productive and done no scum hunting.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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OP ill let you defend yourself, in the first 12 pages of the game, where have you helped at all? you are saying the case is ridiculous on you, yet its true. not helping is scummy. we are voting you because you are scummy, not because we have no one else better to vote.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Any of you have a better idea to take right now?icemanE wrote:Yeah, the OP wagon seems like it's just... there... without any reason to be there...
OP is the only one that strikes me as scummy.
TCS has done a few things that i don't like, maybe scummy, but not enough yet to push for his lynch.
Bio is the same way in the fact that he has done a couple things that i haven't liked, but right now not lynch worthy.
OP is the only one in my mind that has been scummy for 13 straight pages, therefore i think he would be a good lynch for today.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Do you really need someone to answer this question for you?camn wrote:Then why, pray tell, are you good for the town, even if you AREN'T scum?
Are you suggesting that he will hurt the town, even if he is townie? we have ways to prove allignment, so a lynch because they are harmful to the down is a bunch or crap.ortolan wrote:Overall I don't see how such aggressive play can help the town, especially when it's given with so few reasons and is as bandwagonny as his.
anyways.... congrats, you both just hit scum tell number 1. so with that comes...
UNVOTE VOTE CAMN, why would you EVER want to lynch a townie, regardless of how distracting they may be?
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Scumtell number 1 is saying they are a good lynch, despite alignment. and you saying even if you aren't scum, implies that you are not sure about his alignment, but want to lynch him regardless.camn wrote:Then why, pray tell, are you good for the town,even if you AREN'T scum?
And ortolan also hit the scumtell by saying he doesn't see how his aggresive play will help the town, even if he is town, then following the statement by a vote.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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How did i hit a false dilemma?
and camn there is not a reason to ever lynch a townie.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Normally when you want a lynch, you are nearly positive they are scum. Im not voting you to get you lynched, im voting you to pressure and judge reactions.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Yes ortolan you figured it out, im just lazy. not because the same thing applied to both you and camn, that would be just a dumb idea to think that[sarcasm]
but the way it sounded is that well he could be scum because he did this, but even if he isn't he will still hurt the town. which is scummy.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Meant to do this sooner but
UNVOTE Camn, Vote Orange Penguin
the vote on camn was just to gauge reactions and everything. ive seen scum make that same statement, and fold when questioned about it. and since i was the first to start the wagon on OP and his defense has been terrible, so i still think he is scum.
Thats L-2 i think, no mis-hammers.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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my thoughts exactly. he better have a pretty good real claim is all i got to say.camn wrote:softclaim? Really?
and im kinda anxious for his case on me....lolShowNow taking sign ups:
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can you find anything else beside the vote scummy? and i really want you to explain what the problem is with the vote. at the time we had very little information, and very little activity. so i said i thought TCS was scum, and i thought we needed a wagon to get things moving, which it worked. then after the activity picked up i unvoted and moved on to OP, so whats the problem?Crazy wrote:afatchic - Very well could be scum. His weak wagon vote on the TCS wagon is really what gets to me.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Oh,UNVOTE
no way im lynching a claimed Power role day 1. the claim seems sincere since most scum would have actually claimed a role there in order to get the real role to claim.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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im actually pretty sure i said that exact same thing if im not mistaken. ......now whats wrong with it?afatchic wrote:Since nothing is happening, so i think we need some sort of a wagon to get things rolling, and because i really think he is scum...UNVOTE, VOTE The Central ScrutinizerShowNow taking sign ups:
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and the reason i haven't picked out either of you for the active lurking is that i didn't notice. i thought you was advised up of V/La, and your icon blends in, while the bright orange thing sticks out and you notice when you don't see it for a while. and it wasn't just that he wasn't posting often enough, but rather not posting much content. crazy, i think you have been posting sufficient information to not qualify for that. however if i remember correctly, xtoxm hasn't really been posting much information either, but i may be wrong.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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Hascel Cedricson/ ortolan can you please explain your case against TCS.
Crazy can you please explain your case against camn.
Right now im stuck at where to go now. OP was by far my number one, and no one else was really all that close. TCS and camn would have been next, but neither really lynch worthy.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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What makes you think that TCS is more pro-town than ortolan?camn wrote:I'm willing to add some heat to that, given the QUICKLY approaching deadline.
VOTE ORTOLAN
I think my opinions on him are pretty well documented...
but the essence is this: I would rather see the Central Scrutinizer live than this guy. Plus, for pressure.
See, like, half of my posts for the rest of my argument.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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but if TCS is scum, then his reports probably hurt the town more than they help because then he has a better chance of manipulating the town into voting a townie out. don't vote by usefulness, vote on scumminess.camn wrote:
I was never on/off/on... the mod just missed my vote, IIRC.ortolan wrote:camn I am suspicious of your intense bandwagon hopping- on OP, off OP, on OP again,
Plus, in the TCS vs. Ort deal.. I think TCS has brought better analysis, and is thus more USEFUL to the town.. . but this could change.
DO I think either are 100% scum? No. But the deadline is coming fast... we need to accelerate some stuff here!ShowNow taking sign ups:
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side note... anyone planning to hide behind either camn, TCS, or ortolan tonight please provide a second choice just incase one of them gets lynched.
so right now would i be right in saying TCS Camn and ortolan are all leading the vote count with two each?ShowNow taking sign ups:
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its true....bionicchop2 wrote:afatchic only questioned you on your preference of one over the other.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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I know this is going to sound really scummy, but i also agree on xtoxm. however, i don't want our deadline lynch to be because of lurking. i think we have enough information to make a decent lynch, but i don't know who that is. lol. and i guess it looks like ill get the hammering vote as im the only one not voting i think.ShowNow taking sign ups:
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