Open 104 - The New C9 - Game Over

[hewitt]

Eh, I think either way everybody knows what you're talking about atakdog, no worries.

[hewitt]

Whatever it is, it sounds gross.

[hewitt]

To me, the scummy ones are the ones who point the finger first, especially on say their first post. That raises a red flag in my book.

[hewitt]

To me, the scummy ones are the ones who point the finger first, especially on say their first post. That raises a red flag in my book.

You do realize that joke votes in the first post are standard for many players regardless of role, right?

Of course. However, can you honestly say that all the votes that have been cast thus far are jokes? And I wasn't just talking about votes I was referring to the people who targeted someone from the get go.

[hewitt]

Yeah, we'll just see how it plays out I was just stating my opinion. lol And I would also assume the votes on OMG are real too.

[hewitt]

Chill out that happened to me too it's not a big deal.

[hewitt]

Okay I don't like the whole we have no choice but to lynch the apparently fake claimant. I find it a little fishy just because that means we're supposed to focus on just the claimers and I don't know, to me that just sounds a little misleading. Is that fair to say?

[hewitt]

I'm leaning towards voting matrix but I'm going to withold my vote until he gets another chance to say something.

[hewitt]

that would be fair to say.

hewitt, have you played here before?

No I haven't, so you can go ahead and throw the newbie stone but whatever I've played the general game before so I'm not completly ignorant to the gameplay but we'll see I'm definitely learning a lot about strategy reading these other posts but still not getting a clear idea on who's who yet.

[hewitt]

Zhaorx, what are your reads so far?

OMG - more likely townie than anything else. being a townie makes more sense than any other role right now. terrible to resolve on day 1

atak - i'll be honest here and say that this is atakdog's scummier side that we have seen so far. obviously will resolve later

mike - ok this is not m1ke's vanillager game. It simply doesn't feel right at all.

siesta - good logic so far. more likely a townie

hewitt - middle of the road approach right now. could go either way with him right now.

I was in class otherwise I would've posted sooner but yeah that's fair to say I've been pretty middle of the road so far. Here's my deal with some of the players.

I still don't get why matrix was so quick to create this plan to lynch one of the claimers, that was just a little suspicious to me and right now my vote is on him BUT after reading what you dissected from stef's posts I've been looking over everything he's been saying because I didn't really notice that before so thank you for dissecting it and I'm gonna keep a closer eye on him so right now I a) don't know whose side to really take it's pretty iffy but b) my vote as of right now is going towards either matrix or stef.

[hewitt]

And here's the deal with previous games, I don't really give as much of a crap as apparently many other people in this game too about past games. Partially because I'm newer but mostly because it's the past. I would assume that whoever's mafia would get smarter each game and know how to play differently then past games. Where it gets tricky is could that be their strategy? To convince everyone that they wouldn't be dumb enough to play the same way twice? Or to point out the differences, I just don't know. To me, what's past is past and I'm going to focus on the right now.

[hewitt]

Alright well i'll be gone for a while...ROAD TRIP!...(i'm a college kid what can i say) so I guess I'll just do this now because with me driving I will probably drive into a ditch in this snow.

Vote: stef

[hewitt]

Ugh, never mind, I don't want to lynch the wrong person. stef I apologize for now.

Unvote: stef

[hewitt]

I won't jump on your back quite yet (although I kinda did earlier), I agree not enough people have contributed to the convos yet really.

[hewitt]

Alright I'm heading back to school so I'll be off for a while, let's get this back up and running! I'm really anticipating OMG to come back cause I wanna see what they have to say, considering my once suspect stef is now gone so now I've got to kind of refocus which sucks.

[hewitt]

hewitt, whoever replaces stef will take on his role as far as I know.

Also, yes, the UTR players need some pressure to post imo.

That's what kind of worries me cause I don't know who replaced him.

[hewitt]

Alright, nice post The Fonz, I've got to say the statement I agree with the most is that matrix should not have claimed vanilla townie D1 because it is anti-town and that really bothers me. Then again, I've also been very suspicious of him from the beginning so every little comment like that further re-enforces my fear that he's scum.

The comment I'd disagree with the most is your reaction to zhaorx's comment on how he doesn't think "behavior like that ruins the game", which you responded with I do.

Okay, come on people, get overselves. The behavior is fine, deal with it and quit complaining like second graders. Let's just play the damn game.

[hewitt]

Well for one thing I don't play on the werewolf site, for another thing no you're wrong. The people who don't make it fun are the ones who complain about it. Let it drop already.

But besides that whole issue, on a whole, I agree with most of your points The Fonz. I kind of really want matrix to get back on and comment/defend himself just to see what he has to say.

[hewitt]

Well as of now, I'm going to put my vote down on matrix because I don't like his anti-town comments.

Vote: matrix

[hewitt]

I'm going to have to disagree, I don't think atakdog is scum. He seems very pro-town to me and is doing a good job of weeding out scum. I don't know how he played in the past but just from what I'm seeing he's good in my books...for now.

[hewitt]

My bad, I didn't make myself very clear in that post upon rereading it. What I meant was I'm pretty sure out of everybody in this game right now that atakdog is town...which is like 2% sure. Which is about 1-2% higher than everybody else lol. I guess what I meant was right now, atakdog is clear in my books, I see him as the most pro-town out of everybody in the forum. Pretty high as well is The Fonz, yourself actually, and possibly zhaorx. Then again, I have no idea yet, it's way too early.

[hewitt]

Ahhh okay I know we want to end D1 and everything but I really, really don't think OMG is scum no matter how dumb his posts seemed to be and I think we're making a mistake...

[hewitt]

Ahhh okay I know we want to end D1 and everything but I really, really don't think OMG is scum no matter how dumb his posts seemed to be and I think we're making a mistake...

i dont think hes scum either
who cares, vote for him

Well I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't think is scum. That doesn't seem like a bright idea on my part, especially when someone who I do think could be scum is in second place with the vote counts and could easily be lynched.

[hewitt]

I feel pretty good about saying The Fonz is a townie.

My initial reaction was the same, but now I'm just hella confused on who to think is scum and who to think is not.

[hewitt]

Yeah I don't exactly like that, seems to me like you're trying to make the town panic, which is not what we need.

[hewitt]

Okay, just to re-iterate, I think it's a bad idea to lynch OMG because I don't get the vibe that he's scum.

[hewitt]

I didn't say it cleared him, he's still high on my radar I just don't think he's the right pick to lynch on D1 and that there are more scummy players.

[hewitt]

So, let me get this straight at least, we're voting OMG even though he's not scum?

[hewitt]

Obviously I don't know he's not scum and the general consensus seems to be to jump on the bandwagon to vote him out simply cause he's annoying and not cause he's scum.

[hewitt]

What's the current vote count? Has it changed significantly?

[hewitt]

Hitch, did you read the Chuck game? Matrix was a villager and he sounds exactly the same here.

Then that would be a great plan if he were mafia to sound exactly the same in this game wouldn't it?

[hewitt]

Of course it isn't easy, but is it possible?

[hewitt]

im voting for you because i suspect youre using

LAL

as cover for an easy lynch which if turns out to be a mislynch, you can claim "lynch all liars" and walk away.

This is why my vote is now on TCS. I firmly believe that there a number of Mafia Goons presently voting for omg (regardless of omg's actual role here) as it's the easy street route.

Earlier in this day I was that easy vote. I know dam well why atak/Hitch voted for me, I give them both Townie points for making their reasons plain and clear (Atak gets a few less Tpoints - cos he is good enough to do something like that as either role) Fonz is voting me for some lazy reason he hasn't really explained yet very well, despite being "verbose"

The reaction thus far from TCS (note how quick it was and how little else he has posted) hasn't convinced me that he is a Townie yet.

You know with every post I'm becoming a little bit more convinced that matrix isn't scum at all and that I made an erroneous judgement earlier on in the game.

[hewitt]

For everybody who's voting OMG...why? Why, I don't understand it.

[hewitt]

everybody vote scrutinizer or strangecougar.
oh no.wait, lets sit around 4 more days and then do what we should have done 3 days ago

I can sort of get voting for scrutinizer, seems like a mildly sensible vote. Why strangecougar though?

And I agree, I am getting a little tired of being on D1 for three or four days.

[hewitt]

And I would just looooooove D1 lasting a month.

[hewitt]

Our personal motto: Longer days help the town.

That is true, my patience is just very thin sometimes so I'll have to keep that in check.

[hewitt]

Truthfully I completely forgot Wall-E was even in this game. Now that I've seen his post though...I'm pretty sure he's not going to influence me in any way whatsoever. I still think voting OMG is a bad idea.

[hewitt]

I have said it before but I'm not going to re-state it because...well mainly because I don't feel like going back through pages of thread to find it. My main goal was actually to just make sure people knew how I stood on this lynch.

[hewitt]

Noted.

[hewitt]

I don't think anything that's found to be true irrevelant.

[hewitt]

Not even gonna lie, I would not mind giving my vote to TCS or Wall-E because they seem pretty scummy to me. And I would also like to know the vote count.

[hewitt]

Well also if you don't like the slow pace then do something about it.

[hewitt]

I'm not in a hurry. I'm ready to move on to the next day, but if people have things they want to say, that's cool too.

I'd like to hear more from Wall-E and TCS.

Well-named seems less helpful than normal, but that might just be due to the way this game has gone so far. Give me a day or two to read him.

Hewitt seems weird to me too.

I almost forgot about Hitch. This is not his town game, imo.

Haha thank you, any specific reasons?

[hewitt]

I'm not in a hurry. I'm ready to move on to the next day, but if people have things they want to say, that's cool too.

I'd like to hear more from Wall-E and TCS.

Well-named seems less helpful than normal, but that might just be due to the way this game has gone so far. Give me a day or two to read him.

Hewitt seems weird to me too.

I almost forgot about Hitch. This is not his town game, imo.

Haha thank you, any specific reasons?

- You seem to be following poggers and pogger attitudes more than I would expect from a mafiascum player.
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I don't think you can really put me in the category of a mafiascum player considering my game record.

[hewitt]

1 and no I don't play mafia anywhere else besides with my friends offline and in a real live game.

[hewitt]

1 and no I don't play mafia anywhere else besides with my friends offline and in a real live game.

I categorized you unfairly then but you still seem strange.

I am, hopefully you can get used to it.

[hewitt]

There's no way the game is supposed to be played. If there's a manual on how and what I should be posting please let me know.

[hewitt]

Vote: Wall-E

[hewitt]

Vote: Wall-E

You see this? Hewitt has voted and failed to state a reason. Don't do this around me or I start sniffing at your doorstep.

I'm...so...scared.

[hewitt]

If you want a reason here you go, my vote is currently on you because I'm tired of certainly people talking around with a superiority complex in this game. To me, that's scummy as hell, and as I find you the most arrogant, I find you the most anti-town.

Also, my vote was on matrix but I wasn't quite satisfied with laying my vote there because I don't think he's scummy anymore.

[hewitt]

If you want a reason here you go, my vote is currently on you because I'm tired of certainly people talking around with a superiority complex in this game. To me, that's scummy as hell, and as I find you the most arrogant, I find you the most anti-town.

Also, my vote was on matrix but I wasn't quite satisfied with laying my vote there because I don't think he's scummy anymore.

Arrogance != scummy. The sooner you discover this, the better a player you'll be. Did you see what I did there?

I did see...but I don't care too much.

[hewitt]

All that said, I dislike how you guys are all so bewildered that you'll jump on a player who's made ONE post above those who have made SEVERAL posts. Slow to lynch, quick to ask questions, not the other way around, please.

the post you made was horrible.

What post?

it doesnt make anybody bewildered.

What?

while youre here, how do you feel about what i said about fonz?

What did you say?

Wall-E I don't understand where you're coming from when you get all high and mighty about not giving enough information regarding voting and such and then you go and reply to people with these one word one sentence replies that can be easily answered if you would just read it more carefully and look back but you don't. I just don't get it, so my vote as of right now is for you because 1. I don't think you're being very helpful to the town by not co-operating with other people and 2. I think you're kind of arrogant, which doesn't help the town one bit to have a fellow villager talking down to their fellow townspeople. So I find it very hard to believe that you're not scum. Have I answered your question yet on why I'm voting for you?

[hewitt]

See, on OMG's part I'm not sure if it's a superiority complex or whether he's just kind of crazy.

[hewitt]

I like a Wall-E lynch less than a Hitch or Scrutinizer lynch now.

I'm moving him to "neutral" read.Some of his posts seem bad, but he's interacting and says he's high volume poster, so I'll give him a pass for now.

Genuine question here, does a high volume poster mean he's less likely to be scum to you? No snide intended.

[hewitt]

Wall-E and possibly the Scrutinizer.

[hewitt]

If I was choosing the lynch myself, I would lynch Hitch.

Then how come you don't vote for him?

[hewitt]

If I was choosing the lynch myself, I would lynch Hitch.

Then how come you don't vote for him?

Because no one seems to agree with me.

Well why should we vote for Hitch?

[hewitt]

Sun Tzu: What if everyone was doing what you are doing? Nobody would be voting for their true #1 suspect. If you think you are right about Hewitt, you should vote for him, because A) it will net you cred with the town if you DO turn out to have been right all along and B) that way the voting record is accurate to suspicions of the townies.

Do you disagree? If so, why? If not, why not?

To everyone else voting for me: Please state a reason for your vote.

Hm, that's weird, it looked to me like in his post he said his number one suspect was Scrutinizer not me. But if I am his number one suspect then yeah I would agree with you. Was that an attempt to play off that I'm YOUR number one suspect? Cause if it is, please do explain why.

[hewitt]

seeing as i havent been lynched or replaced...

unvote vote wall e

he seems like a worthless cunt rage bitch so fuck it i want him to die

Ouch tell us how you really feel damn.

[hewitt]

As I have stated already, I'm treating page 23 as page 1. Nobody's fault (with the possible exception of the mod's) that I didn't know the game had started until then, but if you want to lynch me for not caring to read 23 pages of eight people from another site bash ms, that's your perogative.

nobody is bashing you for not reading the first 23 (28 really, whatever) pages imo. the case against you is not that you havent read the first 28 pages. the problem is that youre not even reading the thread from where you did show up.

though of course i would hope a player would read the thread from the start, but hey, do what you like. note however norse subbed in and apparently is reading the entire thread. you have been in the game the entire time and cant be bothered. which action is pro-town and which is anti-town? speaks volumes imo.

and, how do you know its 28 pages of bashing if you havent read it?

I have to agree I mean if you're on our side I would think you'd make a little bit more effort to help the town instead of just ignoring 23 pages of what you deem to be unimportant.

[hewitt]

Being arrogant is not detrimental to the town (well, unless it's taken to the OMG extreme). You're acting like the kind of dumb newbie we see in pretty much every game, and being treated as such. You can be patronised, or you can be treated with the same kind of analysis we'd give an experienced player, and get lynched for all the things you're doing which make you look like scum, but for which newbieness is a significant mitigating factor

I disagree that arrogance isn't detrimental to the town because it clearly states that you're me before the town and in the end it's a town win not individual. We win if the town wins and throwing fellow townspeople under the bus is pretty damn scummy. Now I love how you saying I can be patronized because to my recollection I don't seem to see anybody besides yourself and Wall-E ragging on me for being a newbie. So saying you (a collective you, meaning you and everyone else) are going to look down on me and judge me for it would be quite wrong. If anybody else thinks that a relatively unexperienced player like myself is really hurting this game and contributing nothing than you can speak up about it too. But if I do say so myself I've made a couple of pretty good points this game and I'm hanging in there with the rest so lay off on the "noobness", doesn't make much sense.

[hewitt]

Oops, and I did not mean to include the Fonz's paragraph in there with my response (which is the second paragraph in case anyone doesn't know that).

[hewitt]

What a shocker, OMG was vanilla townie. I'm just oh so surprised. Anyways, scotthoward made a couple of really good points. And I also still have no idea who's a 2p2 player and who's a ms player...except scotthoward...that one's pretty obvious.

So why were we targeting OMG in the first place again? Besides the whole fake claim thing because a couple of people did that and it's more consistent with his gamestyle anyways so that's a crap reason.

[hewitt]

this day 1 has been played out

im just not interested in reading bickering about game styles and blah blah meow cheow metagmes

i just want day 2 and my posting frequency is probably going to remain v v low until such time

I still don't see the difference between the 2p2 players and the ms players.

[hewitt]

Alright while I thank you for your delightful insights Fonz I don't really care too much.

Moving on there are people I can forgetting are in this game oEJo and Mada. I even forget about SiestaGuru but he really doesn't post that infrequently, I think it's just something about the name I forget. And is Stef still in this game?

For right now I really don't see much reason to believe well-named is attempting to fly under the radar, if anybody I'd believe oEJo and Mada are unless they're attempting to be replaced or something.

[hewitt]

We have nineteen alive. Three have requested replacement. So, we need ten of the remaining sixteen to agree to one wagon if we want to lynch before the replacements come.

I have no problem, incidentally, with people ranking the leading wagons in order of preference, saying which ones they think are worthy, which they'd be willing to follow at deadline, and which they are definitively opposed to. But a wagon can build up fairly fast, as shown by the Hitch wagon itself, so I don't see why players should be forced to compromise if they still see mileage in a different case.

@ Norse: Can you remind us of what your case on well-named is?

I'm not going to rank the wagons because frankly, I don't think that's a good idea considering the only one I feel fairly confident voting in is Wall-E. So as of right now my one and only wagon I'm sticking with is Wall-E.

[hewitt]

Or was it a semi-random vote? You posed it as a random vote but really you voted for Zazier because you thought he was a little scummy? The two can actually be compatible but only if you keep it in your own mind not written out and telling everybody about it.

Why did Zazier stike you as scummy Wall-E?

[hewitt]

I very much do not like hewitt giving excuses for Wall-E before Wall-E has had the opportunity to answer the question himself. Possibly scum connection there.

Yes, you're absolutely right. Of course I'm connected to him, which is exactly why I've been compaigning to lynch him. Makes PERFECT sense.

It wasn't an excuse (holds back insulting word), I stated that it would've made sense if he didn't tell everybody but since he did it was suspicious. I then went on to ask him what made Zazier seem scummy to him. Why so quick to jump on my back Fonz? Especially when you apparently haven't been reading very closely?

[hewitt]

Also, your 'campaigning for his lynch' consists in making an unreasoned vote, which you then backed up with one of the worst rationales for lynching in the history of the site. Nor have you really made much effort to convince anyone else. It's perfectly common for scum to make REALLY BAD cases against one another, since they're not actually likely to get the partner lynched, but puts a separation in the town's mind.

Or this could be you setting me up for the rest of the town to think I'm scum and so when Wall-E gets lynched and he turns out to be scum you can immediately flip this back around on me, pointing out this insane "connection" I apparently have with him and in turn save your own ass from being lynched if you're scum with him. At this point is it really all that unfathomable for Wall-E to get lynched? I don't know I mean a couple more votes and he's done so I think your whole "not actually likely to get the partner lynched" theory a little bit to rest. I think you're just pissed because I think you're scummy v. random vote was stupid and not the main reason to lynch Wall-E. Not everybody has to play your way Fonz and you're not always right so you can get off your high horse and quit attacking people for not playing exactly how you'd like them to play.

[hewitt]

You're correct I haven't stated that I think you're scummy because i don't so I don't know why you threw that in there. And of course you would deny being scum, especially with someone who's the closest to being lynched.

Please explain what I've done to be a hindrance to the town.

[hewitt]

Okay well apparently you've never played a sport. Let me explain what you're misinterpreting.

I said I think you're scummy v. random vote was stupid.

v. stands for VERSUS. you know like versus, v., vs. So I didn't call you scummy, chill on that. I would've assumed that everybody understands that a lot of people cast semi-random votes so I'm sorry I ruined your chance to get some information but I just didn't think it was that good of a point.

[hewitt]

Well I'm sorry you read it that way but that's not what I meant at all. I just realized I should've used your not you're so my bad. I should've waited for Wall-E to reply but I guess I just get impatient sometimes because some people take forever to post and I wanted to throw my opinion in because I do that. Didn't mean to give Wall-E an excuse but I doubt he was gonna say what I said anyway.

[hewitt]

Read it slow then maybe you'll get it and that's what I meant when I wrote it, but since you misunderstood the v. then it doesn't matter.

[hewitt]

I didn't misunderstand the v. You're not expressing yourself very clearly.

Then what are you confused about?

[hewitt]

Which was precisely the point. If a player always acts A in a given scenario as town, and acts B here, of course it's noteworthy.

Okay sorry for the absence I've been on vacation. Anyways, so since there a lot more people in here who've played together before than with me, is there anyone in this thread who you feel exhibits this they're playing A or B scenario? This is for The Fonz mostly but also for others who've played together before.

[hewitt]

Why m1ke first?

[hewitt]

I won't be attempting to read atakdog this game. I'll probably just kill him at night.

lol imo.

Was that a joke?

[hewitt]

Sarcasm well-named, it wasn't very funny.

Anyways okay someone help me get this straight. We've got our MSers and our 2p2 players, and now we have POGgers? WTF?

[hewitt]

I...really don't know what to say. I don't even know what to think really.

[hewitt]

Okay so in response yeah you're correct in that I don't believe in lynch all liars. That would be great and perfect if all the liars were scum but sometimes town lies to...such as OMG. And while that's really freakin' obnoxious and unhelpful it just sucks because you can never be quite sure they're scum. Some townspeople do it because they panic about being lynched and decide their more important than the rest of the town and claim. So yeah I don't believe in lynch all liars.

In response to the sarcasm, yeah it was very sarcastic and that's unhelpful to but I can't help it sometimes. I'm a pretty sarcastic person so it's very hard for me to hold it off (which shouldn't be confused with arrogance).

[hewitt]

What a shocker, OMG was vanilla townie. I'm just oh so surprised. Anyways, scotthoward made a couple of really good points. And I also still have no idea who's a 2p2 player and who's a ms player...except scotthoward...that one's pretty obvious.

So why were we targeting OMG in the first place again? Besides the whole fake claim thing because a couple of people did that and it's more consistent with his gamestyle anyways so that's a crap reason.

And again, yeah I was being sarcastic here. I thought I made it fairly obvious enough but apparently not. I wasn't really surprised that OMG was vanilla townie. That's why I said 'I'm just oh so surprised'.

[hewitt]

If I were town-aligned, then I might have been engaging in a stupid game to try to get the scum NOT to shoot The Fonz. Or I was just being an asshole. You choose.

Your wording here suggests that you are

NOT

town-aligned. Congratulations on your slip.

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

vote: StrangerCoug

I've been using that syntactical structure (if I were X, I would do/have done/might do X) for 90% of my posts this game.

You claimed that you read my posts and even pretended to do a little pretty analysis thing. That you would treat something I have done all game as a slip-up indicates that this is clearly a lie on your part. That you chose me to cast suspicion on, when you

clearly haven't read a word I've posted

up to this point is an iron-clad scum tell.

Okay this was a little interesting because I looked back and The Central Scrutinizer did use the whole if I were town, if I were blank quite a few times so it really is kind of funny that Strangercougar would say that. I don't necessarily see it as reason quite yet to vote for him but it certainly does throw him in a whole different light for me.

I also find it kind of amusing that The Central Scrutinizer is the one who claimed vigilante a while back and is now proposing that we lynch those who claim. As long as your playing by your own rules...

[hewitt]

Hey morphing addict, are you gonna give us some more reasoning on your vote?

[hewitt]

Okay wow. If anybody is going to cast a vote can they please explain then and not say that they'll "explain later"? I just think it's a lot more helpful.

[hewitt]

Right now I don't really know what to say. Soberness would help, and i don't know there hasn't really been much to go off since The Fonz and Atakdog were killed, I don't really know who to suspect.

[hewitt]

I'm not quite sure, I think StrangerCougar is probably town because he's seeking replacement. I thought Matrix was scum from the beginning but the attention was kind of thrown off him after a while so if I were to vote for someone it would be Matrix. There's so little posting and not much to go off on D2, although the reasoning on StrangerCougar made sense, until he asked for replacement. It could be that he's scum and he just gives up but I don't know. I would also think that Sun's enemies on D1 are town, unless that's his scum gameplay. I wouldn't know I haven't played with him before.

[hewitt]

If I could point at finger at anyone being scummy on D2 I would but since there's like nothing...I don't know...

[hewitt]

Yeah, wait Wall-E, the Fonz is dead?

[hewitt]

SO we are one away from losing the game.

THere are 8 (eight) players remaining and in the time since I posted last there have been 6 posts by 3 players ???

I really dislke Hewitts post - it seems that Hitch and Wall-E are at least attempting to scum hunt.

I will almost certainly be voting for Hewitt I think today.

Hewitt - why shouldn't I vote for you?

whom do you suspect (and why) ?

You shouldn't vote for me cause I'm town. Other than that I know there's not much reason to keep me I've kind of sucked so far this day.

As for who do I suspect I have no freaking idea. I have no clue as to who's town and who isn't so I've been playing a waiting game so far and hoping somebody fucks up so we don't lose. If I had to point out someone I would choose Wall-E because his predecessor was StrangerCougar. They have totally different playing styles though so again, that confuses me a little.

[hewitt]

In process of rereading, but I have to go to work and I'd like to post at least something indicative of my thoughts before I do that. I think that our highest probability lynches would be Wall-E, matrix, or hitch.

More on why later, unless I change my mind, in which case I will tell you why.

I'm interested in hearing what you have to say more about these players cause a lot of heat was on them earlier in the game. That was D1 though and it was a much different sort of game.

[hewitt]

Well I think it would really depend on the players who are scum. During night they probably decide whether they're going to go off and target different players or all gang up on one. I guess it depends on the game, the players, and the night so I'm not really sure if the scum is deathly afraid of all doing the same thing argument is helpful here. It could be, but might not be.

[hewitt]

very fence-sitty hewitt

I don't think it's fence-sitty, I think it's fact. And the fact is, it's getting harder and harder to read who's scummy and who's not at this point for me since there's such low posting and such. So I'm not going to rely on that method of scum-hunting because I don't think it's reliable enough. Trust me, when I think of a better method or I get a clearer read on someone I will let you know.

[hewitt]

There are fifty pages of content for you to pick over. Don't disguise your laziness as helplessness.

I've reread every single page and I've been keeping up the whole game so I know what's happened in this game. Again, if I could get a get read on somebody who I feel is scum then I will call them out. Wall-E, how about you reread and pinpoint who is scum and why if it's that easy.

[hewitt]

I never said it would be easy.

And I already have. Twice since the lull in the game started. What's your excuse again?

I don't have an "excuse" and I don't need an "excuse". If I'm going to start targeting someone as scum I want to be able to be pretty damn sure they're scum. I seriously don't think we can go lynching another town player and survive.

[hewitt]

Okay, so um, let's not give up...

Alright, Wall-E, so why is your vote on scotthoward? And before you jump the gun and say go reread I did...a couple times and I haven't really got the reasoning behind why you're voting for him.

[hewitt]

I never said it would be easy.

And I already have. Twice since the lull in the game started. What's your excuse again?

I don't have an "excuse" and I don't need an "excuse". If I'm going to start targeting someone as scum I want to be able to be pretty damn sure they're scum. I seriously don't think we can go lynching another town player and survive.

That means you can't even LOOK for scum?

When did I imply that I'm not scum-hunting?

[hewitt]

Okay because I definitely never said I stopped looking for scum, what I said was that I hadn't figured out anybody who I thought was scum for sure.

[hewitt]

You're not likely to EVER be 'for sure' who is the scum. It's a function of the game that town is never positive about their choices. You're 0/3 atm.

I'm calling you nervous scum.

Unvote: Vote: hewitt

It's true that you're never 100% positive whether or not somebody is scum or not but when I get the feeling that someone is scum and I'm fairly confident in that accusation then that is 'for sure' to me.

[hewitt]

You shouldn't vote for me cause I'm town.
...

I've been playing a waiting game so far and hoping somebody fucks up so we don't lose.

Sorry - but I don't believe you.

playing a waiting game is what has turned this game into a giant clusterfuck imo and I for one really wish this was over.

vote: Scott Howard

I'd prefer to lynch Hewitt - but I am going to go with the forming bandwagon in the hopes this game might end soon.

Okay well just because you want the game to be over with soon, I don't think you should just vote for someone that has a bandwagon starting on them. What if Hitch is scum and is starting a bandwagon on a town player, he never answered Wall-E's wish for an explanation as to why we should vote for scotthoward.

[hewitt]

Okay well I'm going to vote matrix because I don't like the fact that you say you want to vote for me but you instead go and vote on whatever bandwagon is forming. To me that's not very pro-town.

[hewitt]

Oh I don't know why but I forgot to actually vote for matrix in my last post.

Vote: matrix

Okay so two options here...

A) You're town and being earnest in your post.

B) You're scum and just looking for a shorter and easier win.

Now the reason that I think you're option B is because even though you want to end the game you say you won't quit or leave. So basically you want the game to end but if the game continues you don't want to quit because that'll add a lose to your games that you were Mafia? I don't know, that's what I read out of that.

[hewitt]

Well I'm not going to fucking quit so I'm going to keep playing.

[hewitt]

Hewiit - I have made an outline of a case for voting you, noone in the thread has expressed an interest in voting you, or asked you any questions even.

I don't see anywhere in the last three pages where you outlined a case on me really.

[hewitt]

Okay seriously, another no-lynch will pretty much lose the game for us. Is anybody else still playing?

[hewitt]

Cool. So...we're fucked.

[hewitt]

And I thought we started off well too...

[hewitt]

Okay so who's all actually still playing this game because this game has seriously been like dead and that sucks ass.

[hewitt]

Seriously TCS? First of all what is with the vote for Hitch with no explanation? And then with 51 pages of game that's the only reason why you're voting for SH? Can you give a better explanation then that? If you can't I will most definitely be voting for you because it's a little bit ridiculous that we're about to lose and that's all you can say. I call scum.

[hewitt]

Seriously? That's all you have? Nice try TCS.

[hewitt]

Yeah I'm going to have to.

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

I don't think you're town at this point.

[hewitt]

I for one am not handing this game to you.

[hewitt]

First of all I wouldn't be bussing ScottHoward and second of all I think you're the most likely scum so that's why I'm voting for you.

[hewitt]

First of all I wouldn't be bussing ScottHoward and second of all I think you're the most likely scum so that's why I'm voting for you.

I am baffled as to why... but that's beside the point. You should be bussing ScottHoward if you want us to think that you're a townie.

First of all who is this us you are referring to? Because my us is the town, I'm not sure what your us is but I think that it's us as in scum. Why should I vote for ScottHoward? Give me a better reason than the crap reason you gave earlier.

[hewitt]

As adorable as that is...not working for me.

[hewitt]

How much would that suck if you're town too and we're targeting like each other.

[hewitt]

Okay unvote.

Vote: matrix

For pretty much disappearing.

[hewitt]

Sorry I meant

unvote

Vote: matrix

[hewitt]

Yeah seriously WTF.

[hewitt]

finally this game is over with! dayum that took way too long. good game all.