Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[Sakura Hana]

lastly I recognize that its possible that we're actually T/T here.

Pretty much.
As I was reading all this nonsense i realized

@Dunnstral/Pooky/Klick

: I've read all of this and quite frankly i think all 3 of you are town and just misunderstanding each other, it feels like your entire argument is based of "what you think" the other person is doing rather than what they are actually doing and ended up bloating up the thread arguing about it, you should probably take a step back, re-read the argument or start looking at other people because this isn't helping find scum imo.

[Klick]

That's why I've mostly disengaged

[Klick]

Well, the 'I don't think this is helpful' part, not the 'I think Pooky is likely town' part

[PenguinPower]

...this is, in itself, deflection. Instead of answering a simple question you try to make the other party look dumb and change the topic.

that...

that was the answer....

it's a meme of what i was doing at the beginning of the game...i was memeing....

like...are you for real?

[Sakura Hana]

Here's the situation as i understand it and why i think it's a misunderstanding, this will probably be the only post i make in the matter and only coz i wanna try and facilitate you guys understanding each other. I don't really want to add up to this "war" between i wanna end it instead.

Klick

: The argument here is that the 3 were voting together but are also

Independently scummy

is just another reason to think they are scum.

Pooky

: The argument here is that he's hyperfocusing on one thing, but that was also part of Klick's and Dunnstral's push of him so he was trying to understand the push to sort them.

Dunnstral

: On your case, I'm not sure i think it was just an engagement born of misunderstanding what Pooky was doing and so you ended up wrongly enphasising those points.

Did i get that right?

[Klick]

Yeah that's a decent summary of my perspective

I think Dunnstral genuinely believes Pooky is scum here though and doesn't want to *let go* on that basis

I agree that moving on in some capacity would be a lot better for thread health

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

[T3]

I still want to see meta of t3 doing fucking anything as town

I'm sure it exists but I just want to see it

viewtopic.php?t=91787&user_select%5B%5D=35441

This was my 2nd most recent town game

[Gamma Emerald]

I still want to see meta of t3 doing fucking anything as town

I'm sure it exists but I just want to see it

This feels out of the blue? I’m gonna ISO to see what prompted this

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like cakez gets run up day 1 of every game he's in so I'm not going to help because I don't feel like it

I think it would be good policy to not demand that gamma be emotional to receive townreads

I want to see at least one game that disproves my personal meta experience with t3. I'm positive it must exist but I'd like to put the stupid idea out of my head

Okay it come up before but the finer details weren’t gotten into
Also thank you for the assist here, I have made that request to a couple people directly before and it’s good to have someone in my corner in that regard

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Yeah that's a decent summary of my perspective

I think Dunnstral genuinely believes Pooky is scum here though and doesn't want to *let go* on that basis

I agree that moving on in some capacity would be a lot better for thread health

my "middle 4 rather than bottom 4" is correct theory is gaining credibility lfg

[Big Chungus Gaming]

lastly I recognize that its possible that we're actually T/T here.

Pretty much.
As I was reading all this nonsense i realized

@Dunnstral/Pooky/Klick

: I've read all of this and quite frankly i think all 3 of you are town and just misunderstanding each other, it feels like your entire argument is based of "what you think" the other person is doing rather than what they are actually doing and ended up bloating up the thread arguing about it, you should probably take a step back, re-read the argument or start looking at other people because this isn't helping find scum imo.

stealing your work and just going to sign off on this bc i agree and its lame to just copy what someone else said

[Big Chungus Gaming]

1. I want to know what your strongest reads are at this moment. Which players do you have the most confidence in just being town? Which players do you have a particularly bad feeling about, even if you can't currently justify it? I want to know the opinions that matter most to you atm.

2. Following that, I also want to know what you all think of the following slots:

{STD, Gamma, Penguin, Pooky, Chungus, jjh}

(I'm not solely limited to focusing on those slots, that's just where my own PoE has me atm and I want something to more meaningfully sort between them.)

My end goal is to push the game in a positive direction. I am seeing a lack of cohesion/willingness to drive the game forward all around, and my intention is to change that and get pressure on high equity scum slots.

I also want to trial what happens if I just openly and transparently do this, as opposed to doing it the inconspicuous way. It seems like a good opportunity to try it, considering the stagnant game state.

My reads look like this right now:

[T3, Cephrir, SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, Sakura Hana, Klick, KawaiiKame, Whemestar]
[jjh927, Alisae, ssbm_Kyouko, Luka, Save the Dragons]
[Big Chungus Gaming, PenguinPower, pookythemagicalbear]

My strongest reads here. Let's say you and Sakura Hana. Sakura Hana is quite good at looking town on day 1 when mafia but I like the way they are pushing the game and trying to get people to go back and respond to what they've missed. I do currently think the other 6 names at the top are town but since I have so many names up here I'm not confident. Not really confident that there's more than 1 mafia within Save the Dragons, PenguinPower, or pookythemagicalbear, and when typing this I've realized that Save The Dragons feels the least likely out of the three to be mafia to me. That might be bad reasoning. jjh is null due to no content, which puts them above other people. Big Chungus is slightly below null, I just feel something is off with them. Wary of ssbm_Kyouko and Luka. I don't feel like Alisae has done anything to show their hand either way. I feel like those on top have done something to make me think they are town.

ok i take it back i really hate dunn's perspective i just like his process

[Big Chungus Gaming]

still not worth pushing d1 or even d2 but i trust pooky explicitly while dunns i think is a very "must watch carefully" slot still

[Sakura Hana]

@BCG

@BGC

: Did you ever answer Gamma's question in 209.

<snip>

@BGC

: Did you also ever explain what vibes you got on 355?

<snip>

<snip> I also want BCG to answer my questions, im not gonna followup on 523's question for now since it was directed at Ceph, I think overall BCG doesnt look like scum, but some posts made me go "????" so im hoping to get a satisfactory answer.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh i accidentally snipped this on that quote.

520 from BGC feels iffy. I also disagree with 523.

[Dunnstral]

still not worth pushing d1 or even d2 but i trust pooky explicitly while dunns i think is a very "must watch carefully" slot still

I don't think this is an opinion you had before, actually, and instead seems to be a reaction to seeing my read on you.

[Gamma Emerald]

fyi I don’t really need 209 answered anymore since I think it’s semi-apparent the list simply changed between posts.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Dunnstral
T3
KawaiiKame
Sakura Hana

Cephrir
Penguinpower
Gamma Emerald
SirCakez

Save the Dragons
Luka
jjh927
Duelist Kage


it would be hilarious if the exact scumteam was the 2nd tier bc it would be extremely on brand for my d1 reads but here is where im at, actually fully ordered without forgetting anyone

I think a better and more brief demonstration of how recent content has adjusted my view without being like "all of it" because some things lead to others etc, is to show where ive moved based on catch up reading:

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
T3
KawaiiKame

Luka
Klick

Dunnstral
Cephrir
Gamma Emerald
Penguinpower

SirCakez
Save the Dragons
jjh927

"but bcg you only have 3 names in the bottom" - yes but I'll be concerned about that later rather than now, I now feel the vibe of there being a scum influence in some of the discussion and I am unsure who but again, thats a future problem while theres other slots to go fo

VOTE: save the dragons

[Big Chungus Gaming]

@BCG

@BGC

: Did you ever answer Gamma's question in 209.

<snip>

@BGC

: Did you also ever explain what vibes you got on 355?

<snip>

<snip> I also want BCG to answer my questions, im not gonna followup on 523's question for now since it was directed at Ceph, I think overall BCG doesnt look like scum, but some posts made me go "????" so im hoping to get a satisfactory answer.

havent i made it clear i dont care about your question

[Dunnstral]

...this is, in itself, deflection. Instead of answering a simple question you try to make the other party look dumb and change the topic.

that...

that was the answer....

it's a meme of what i was doing at the beginning of the game...i was memeing....

like...are you for real?

I don't get what you are doing then. You started off saying that me calling your posts deflection was a weird interpretation, but then turned around and said that was correct?

Here's the situation as i understand it and why i think it's a misunderstanding, this will probably be the only post i make in the matter and only coz i wanna try and facilitate you guys understanding each other. I don't really want to add up to this "war" between i wanna end it instead.

Klick

: The argument here is that the 3 were voting together but are also

Independently scummy

is just another reason to think they are scum.

Pooky

: The argument here is that he's hyperfocusing on one thing, but that was also part of Klick's and Dunnstral's push of him so he was trying to understand the push to sort them.

Dunnstral

: On your case, I'm not sure i think it was just an engagement born of misunderstanding what Pooky was doing and so you ended up wrongly enphasising those points.

Did i get that right?

What am I misunderstanding?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

still not worth pushing d1 or even d2 but i trust pooky explicitly while dunns i think is a very "must watch carefully" slot still

I don't think this is an opinion you had before, actually, and instead seems to be a reaction to seeing my read on you.

no its because you put all 3 of gamma,cephrir, and cakez in the top tier somehow and also kyouko is in middle tier, etc. something I find, absurd and eyebrow raising and a potential of just "making up reads"

[Gamma Emerald]

I will give Sakura townpoints for caring about getting an answer to my question more than I did

[Dunnstral]

So what made you put ssbm_Kyouko as top townread never change by post 210 where you first made your list?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

So what made you put ssbm_Kyouko as top townread never change by post 210 where you first made your list?

thats a question for kyouko to answer