Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

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[Firebringer]

After months of experimenting, he happened across the cure for possession and returned the possessed back into its original form.

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.09

Save the Dragons [4][E-5] Big Chungus Gaming, Klick, Sakura Hana, Dunnstral
Big Chungus Gaming [4][E-5]-T3, Cephrir, Penguinpower, SirCakez
Sir Cakez [2][E-7] - Alisae, Save The Dragons,
ssbm_Kyouko [2][E-7] - Gamma Emerald, jjh927
T3 [1][E-8]- KawaiiKame,
Gamma Emerald [1][E-8] - Luka,
Klick [1][E-8] - Whemestar
Dunnstral [1][E-8] - PookytheMagicalBear,

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : ssbm_Kyouko,

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 to Eliminate.
Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-07 15:45:00)

Mod Note: Nobody needs prodding. T3 is currently V/LA for 3 days

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VC in 13 years

please can you delay 2 years, my birthday happens that year

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: jjh

sorting by poe is king and always will be btw

[PenguinPower]

VC in 13 years

4573 days, 12 hours, 32 minutes

[Luka]

Why am I not anymore

because your position on my read list changed

[WhemeStar]

Also I’m going to be very angy if the sid guy doesn’t give me a power

[WhemeStar]

Wait maybe he doesn’t give me a power because this is the only town gme I haven’t been ran up in day 1 fck

[WhemeStar]

That doesn’t matter give me the power stuff cause there’s no way I’m NK and everyone townread me and scum probably think I’m not a threat thank u

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Also I’m going to be very angy if the sid guy doesn’t give me a power

pls don't be mad

[KawaiiKame]

Sakura feels the most naturally town to me with her questions/playstyle, I really like this,

Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

I want to focus in on who is and isn't lying/who has the greatest potential to lie.

kyouko's 58214028121 is insanely specific, concluding T3 was informed of exactly what to say to Kyouko in a PT. I feel it's a truth nuke in Kyouko's pov so she's town.

Alisae's 308 + 310 feels straight up, she's speaking her truth with severe distrust of T3 and seeing most active players as town. The read list implies struggle in seeing who scum is.

Klick opens with 395, town reading me, explaining why in 439 and 440. When town Klick identified me as town in Monkey Business, identified me as scum in Don't Fall Into The Volcano. If the pattern continues Klick is town identifying me as town. My concern is Klick rolling scum, knowing I am town, using it as a weapon, and reverse-engineering reasoning why I am town. Klick's read on me feels organic tho by contrasting my play. Klick saying T3's engagement/interest is +town feels genuine.

T3 is engaged in multiple fronts, defending Sakura against Luka in 158 , going into Sakura's reasoning in 262, slightly scum reading me in 365, analyzing my IS0 in depth in 419 when questioning Klick's townread of me, engaging and defending against Kyouko in 557. T3's depth of logical thought feels town initially, I thought he was town in the beginning with defending Sakura against Luka. My fear is T3 using this precise logic if scum as a weapon to explain away anything, disguising himself as town. Alisae's mistrust and Kyouko's theory that T3 intentionally mentioned Klick's language to get info out of her.

I find this interesting,

Would Cakez really have such poor analysis as scum???

Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.

I'd imagine that there would be a voice in his head telling him "hey, you really shouldn't post this, you should try a little harder to make better analysis" if he was scum.

T3 makes excellent analysis, is this T3's own voice speaking to him as scum? Idk if he would make this type of scum slip.

Gamma- I have a hard time reading, pretty neutral. Maybe slight scum lean based on pure vibes + potential scum equity with T3 ? I am liking this analysis,

The answer would be that they're not intentionally doing anything

I think an issue I do see with your mindset is that you seem to be assuming scum have a broader-scope plan. I think that’s probably rarer than you think it is, yes scum generally try to coordinate but I think in the majority of scenarios scum will often just take their own approach

I like her logic, sadly this is right no matter your alignment so it's nai.

VOTE: Luka
In post 159, Luka wrote:
Sakura / Whem / Pooky / T3 as town
VOTE: Gamma
I feel like most of these slots stated as town were sorted far too quickly based on Luka’s prior posts, I’m leaning on most if not all those slots being TMIed town

I want to explore this, Luka is semi likely to be scum if this logic holds up
Note: I meant to post this analysis b4 so it focuses in on the 1st half

[KawaiiKame]

Sakura feels the most naturally town to me with her questions/playstyle, I really like this,
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

I want to focus in on who is and isn't lying/who has the greatest potential to lie.

I fear T3 has the greatest potential to lie, this is why I'm voting him

[jjh927]

Interesting that you think Kyouko comes off more believable in the Kyouko/T3 interactions

Kyouko's 582 is specific, but comes out at a later point in conversation where the layers have built up and scum could reach for a conclusion like that. The point itself doesn't hold up to a very basic level of scrutiny either. The idea that someone would specifically give T3 extra advice about Kyouko's towngame to handle that interaction is entirely outlandish, but makes sense from the perspective of scum actively trying to include "I am town" in their line of reasoning.

The bit that actually concerns me on the flip side is the recent exchange where T3 backs off and deescalates. I am aware T3 has a fairly good scumgame and he's around the middle of my list of people I want to have a conversation with

[jjh927]

Your take on 568 is downright concerning though

Do you actually believe that

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura feels the most naturally town to me with her questions/playstyle, I really like this,
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

I want to focus in on who is and isn't lying/who has the greatest potential to lie.

I fear T3 has the greatest potential to lie, this is why I'm voting him

Is this a thing you’ve done before? What’s the success rate at catching scum with it?

[SirCakez]

I actually kinda think the jjh entry was townie

VOTE: jjh

sorting by poe is king and always will be btw

This vote sucks

[jjh927]

Yes the vote sucks but I also think it makes sense as an extension of BCG's thought process

[jjh927]

You've asked why BCG is town a few times- as a little exercise, see if you can figure out why BCG voted me there. It's unstated but very very obvious

[Gamma Emerald]

Your take on 568 is downright concerning though

Do you actually believe that

yeah I have a feeling about Kawaii’s T3 read

[Alisae]

come on memestar is a goodboy it's ok to give him power

[Firebringer]

Cephrir and Save the Dragons are being prodded.

[Cephrir]

All I have to offer right now is why isn't bcg dead yet

[T3]

layer List:
1. jjh927
2. Gamma Emerald
3. Sakura Hana
4. Dunnstral
5. Alisae
6.pookythemagicalbear
7. SirCakez
8. Luka
9. Duelist Kage Klick
10. Whemestar
11. Save the Dragons
12. Cephrir
13. Big Chungus Gaming
14. Penguinpower
15. KawaiiKame
16. ssbm_Kyouko
17. T3

[Big Chungus, Luka, Pooky, Alisae, Whemestar] <- Confident Towns
[Sakura, Penguin, Klick] <- Second Tier Towns
[Nulls] <- Everybody else not listed
[Gamma, Save the Dragons] <- Scums

Wasn’t I town

Why am I not anymore

Hiya T3, I know you're V/LA, but if you get a chance, is there any chance I could get a response to this post:

1. I want to know what your strongest reads are at this moment. Which players do you have the most confidence in just being town? Which players do you have a particularly bad feeling about, even if you can't currently justify it? I want to know the opinions that matter most to you atm.

2. Following that, I also want to know what you all think of the following slots:

{STD, Gamma, Penguin, Pooky, Chungus, jjh}

(I'm not solely limited to focusing on those slots, that's just where my own PoE has me atm and I want something to more meaningfully sort between them.)

My end goal is to push the game in a positive direction. I am seeing a lack of cohesion/willingness to drive the game forward all around, and my intention is to change that and get pressure on high equity scum slots.

I also want to trial what happens if I just openly and transparently do this, as opposed to doing it the inconspicuous way. It seems like a good opportunity to try it, considering the stagnant game state.

I’ll get to it tomorrow, maybe the day after, rn I’m only really able to check the game on my phone for a few minutes at a time and provide a little commentary

[Sakura Hana]

Maybe if we say STD 3 times, he'll be summoned again.

Also imma take a 3 day V/LA because of new years

Sorry cant offer much else rn, been incredibly busy irl

[Luka]

I want to explore this, Luka is semi likely to be scum if this logic holds up

uh no lol bad