Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[ActionDan]

I will be sending myself off before you cakez.

[ActionDan]

There was a time period in the game where Maestro was hawking about cakez in FG. I think it roughly coincided end of day 2 and though I didn't read it carefully corresponded to the time when maestro gave cakez name up in Titus list

[ActionDan]

When I say hawking I mean taking a tone of progressive worry. Signaling absence = scummy

[ActionDan]

I think anyone who seriously thinks I would be groupscum here after Maestro's breakdown needs to get their marbles checked. I don't normally much care for defending my towniness but I think Maestro did a good job spewing me town there. The guy was after me hard, discrediting me all game including when I was seriously a prospect to be the elimination, then melted down after wagons shifted away from me. The question is whether it was because it shifted to him or because it shifted to him and his groupscum leader.

After double isoing + rereading FG PT I agree. A bit too much to be mere distancing.

There is a certain appeal about playing whack-a-mole with Hu (who quite obviously is converted scum) if only to squeeze out one more day of info. But I think come tomorrow when deadline is < 1 day if not enough momentum I will be back to offing myself.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Surprised I hadn't done that yet.

[ActionDan]

I think Theta's posts and votes end of D1 precludes Titus and Theta being scum together.

Regardless if one of them is scum I'm out of ideas for a 2nd scum. But I do not believe it is cakez.

[ActionDan]

i dont think cakez is the right play.

Lol ya think with Hu jamming that vote

[ActionDan]

Hu did the same to me and you could argue the same cynical thing if you wanted. I think that was pure opportunism

I really don't know about jv. The chance they are scum is theoretically reduced by 1/2 for anyone else. Recently I've been more definitively thinking Theta > Titus as scum here so the combo Theta jv wouldn't be impossible.

May not even matter and it's 5-5 tomorrow. I'd like to think that isn't the case

[ActionDan]

Hu Tao is a waste. They are obviously scum. Converted scum but scum. I don't think Drew should even bother targeting me

[ActionDan]

i am still of the opinion that maestro implicates dan or cakez
i am not sure which though

Basically among the bad role actions this seems a little late in the game to be a real thought.

Titus might just be stubborn town. And there isn't a single person in this game who makes sense as a partner with her.

[ActionDan]

OK I guess you have 4 already about to get another?

[ActionDan]

OK I guess you have 4 already about to get another?

And how would she know, as a convert?

True true

[ActionDan]

Well I think we're probably done here after the night

At least I didn't have to waste more time rereading more of the game

I think there's going to be one more painful day where inevitably I'll be the last fade of the game.

[ActionDan]

I don't know if you will, but I'm confident this town will find a way. There's been a combined 7 ish votes on me and cakez

[ActionDan]

last minute guess is

Dan, Hu Tao, JV, then maybe Theta/Aureal. Maybe it's Theta instead of JV.

I feel like Dan was so close every time, and then the people Dan was pushing ended up being the reason the counter wagons ended up being hit.

Oh so I'm responsible for Cakez fade now? If I recall correctly I was telling you all day everyday he wasn't scum. And Hu obviously was.

[ActionDan]

Jv and hu weren't on cakez till the end. So my theoretical partners that played any part to Cakez buildup are rather limited in this scenario.

Honestly it was the insistance of more scum in FG being a shiny distraction that allowed no other avenue for conjecture. The case on convert Hu is about as rock solid as you can get and that took days to percolate. It's a much harder task to differentiate between Titus and Theta say especially when no one is looking

Pedit. Recruits have impunity to quick hammer at this point so jv could be that. Or actual scum wanting to look like that if the game isn't over already

[ActionDan]

I have no intention to vote Dan at any point in this game unless Cakez flips group scum

If this happens you have my blessing

[ActionDan]

That was traitor. 90% og unless the mod has secretly given everyone a name change if recruited plus reverse Miller status. Which, considering this game, I can't entirely rule out.

[ActionDan]

Gogogo VOTE: ActionDan

DONT VOTE

Wanna rile the crowd up some more before the info comes out? We're looking at 4 scum still here

[ActionDan]

DONT VOTE

Size tags sure have changed

[ActionDan]

Dan is like 90% confirmed to not be group scum

To be fair the NK15 role part of that argument is kinda shot imo.

Pedit: 6 to fade roden.

[ActionDan]

Who is FG?

A neighborhood of me, drew, maestro, cakez, and NK15.

Are you Gen Alpha by chance?

[ActionDan]

Person. Was just curious.

[ActionDan]

Nope.

[ActionDan]

If we think this is elo, should we mass claim names?

Yes.

[ActionDan]

I guess its fine to only claim if named in Titus report

[ActionDan]

It's "at least 2 out of 3 are town".

[ActionDan]

Last

scum lord
VOTE: flavor leaf

Sweet WIFOM

[ActionDan]

Ugggggggggh.

[ActionDan]

FL is up

[ActionDan]

Hmmm

[ActionDan]

Addicts will have their flavor changed in conversion.

This means Hu Tao is confirmed to me that she wasn’t converted Night or 2, depending when conversion happens, at the very least.

Wait, so is Cakez flavor changed?

[ActionDan]

In FG N2 it may have been implied I would target (it was not known i was doc explicitly) Maestro by their own request though i never agreed to it. Instead I targeted Cakez.

I am hardpressed to imagine scum using unstoppable n1 on maestro or anyone so early. So I would guess N2 conversion.

I am not sure there is a reason to think scum knew their traitor. I also see the Cakez vote on Titus D1 and want to check if that was a dangerous vote to make on group scum even if he switched later

[ActionDan]

And he's just been feeding us all sorts of useful setup information?

Is it? Useful that is

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A fair amount to sleep on this game. I'll let my thoughts wander

[ActionDan]

Let's have you and Drew vote me then. I'd like to hammer test it for a day. I'll allow that. If we lose from that I promise not to blame you.

[ActionDan]

OK back to sleep

[ActionDan]

@Titus, Spoiler alert: I don't think those votes will lose the game.

I'm working at the moment. I'll have more later. I was able to read D1 and Cakez here and in FG and from that I was able to determine you were town, and I'd like to believe that is the case up to last night and now too.

[ActionDan]

Hitting converted is fine, but it basically sends us to the next day phase in the same position, but with a new convert, so I really want to hit group scum today.

It's actually not fine. If we're at 6-4 now, by getting cult we go 6-3, then 5-4 in the morning after a recruit. So tomorrow we get cult again and it's 5-3, then 4-4 the next morning. We need to end the game by flipping both groupscum back to back here so it doesn't get to that next morning.

I'm claiming to not be Kiernan.
I'd still like to keep some real names secret, but will claim if I do need to.

You don't, and and you didn't need to humor the Titus ramblings even that much.

Correct on the group scum comment.

What Titus ramblings are you talking about? I don't agree with the vote on you actually but not sure what else there is that is moonlogic today from her?

[ActionDan]

@Titus: I get the sense that the vote and suspicion on you from Cakez D1 was more a matter of convenience and comfort than stemming from a desire to defend Aureal from you. Maybe I am wrong but that was my impression.

[ActionDan]

Aureal you asked "can we believe this is town Titus?" I think the answer is still yes and I consider your analysis logically sound.

[ActionDan]

I will say my piece fully after work. Then, good luck.

[ActionDan]

Well I typed an essay only to be logged out.

Let's try again.

fuck.

Okay. I believe that the group scum are Drew and Flavor Leaf. That's my best guess though there's some wiggle room with regard to FL. I still believe the N1 convert is Hu Tao. While there might be a special interaction with Roden's stream that actually makes it so they are "caught on stream" even if from a pure action standpoint a self-watcher would not target them, their play this entire game and gamma's play D2 really lends itself to recruit territory. N2 was likely maestro, N3 was stopped by Thomith or game would likely be over, and originally N4 it was making plenty of sense Roden would be the recruit with Theta's result, a cop inno on them, and the fact that of all the living players Roden might be the only one to previously express disinterest in voting me (my fade is obviously the scum goal today). However if it can be ascertained that Roden had previously said he actively self watches, that is, he explicitly actions on himself (which I do kinda remember that being stated previously) than Theta not getting that result is suspect. Even if the mod made an error usually the mod would tell the affected party (Theta) but that not being the case probably means it is unrelated. So of the two, it is likely to me that theta is the scum, but probably just a convert if so.

It's easiest to explain why Drew is scum. Firstly we have to go back to NK15's role to show there is group scum in FG. With the likelihood that Cakez was original traitor and Maestro was not, as it stands, NK15 had the potential to get both a false positive (Maestro) and a false negative (Cakez) as scum from implication of their role. That is shoddy game design if there wasn't at least a way to get a real hit. I think it would be unconscionable if that were the case. So it is a choice between me and Drew. We will look at role reasons and play reasons. Role reasons: If I am the scum converting in the hood and Drew is town, his role does jack all to stop the conversions as he only stops non-FG player actions on his target. It only serves to block out the town info roles as demonstrated N2. I have asked this before and I ask again, would it not be better if Drew never used his role? The answer is yes it would be. Again this would be rather shitty game design. My role as a simple doc has no such negative interactions with town info roles and I stop conversions from FG members. Considering the limited purview I think that's much fairer and makes a lot more sense.

Playwise Drew was decently active and vocal D1 but I haven't revisited it since I entered the game. D2 he followed me unto RR and the day was cut short. D3 is more consequential. I have always thought him turning his vote on me mid-day came out of whole cloth. However there is a possibility that the argument he started was projection. I will not relitigate it (you can read up if needed - the info is all there but good luck not frying brain cells). I will simply restate it: I was accused of TMIing when I causally asked if, and implied I believed that, Drew had targeted Maestro N1. Doing so gave away that I failed to convert Maestro N1 and that I thought Drew had to be responsible (his words). I now wonder, and it would be oh so sweet, if Drew had failed in a Maestro convert N1 and tried to attribute this to me. No matter what I think the argument levied at me in the first place was insane, illogical, and unnatural. However it has pretty much established Drew's perennial inclination to vote me ever since. Onwards Drew has not been active and has barely sunk an additional thought into the game.

Now why FL? Admittedly my suspicion is less solid than Drew. But it does start from Drew being scum.

The first thing that does not jive is the "Scum have a 1-shot unblockable modifier to all abilities". This only bypasses my role, and only my role. I don't think it's necessary and is probably one of those creative lies. Perhaps made to bolster Drew's ability's viability. The more I think of the role itself the more I have come to dislike it. The anme part has told us info that we could readily guess at or else we would find out about at about the same rate we get it. All if it is info group scum could feed us. The miller part in a game with 2 roles with the reverse miller feels like overkill though its not out of the question. And flavor cop could include getting a name easily. While I dislike the role its not strong enough at all by itself.

I think Flavor Leaf's play just rings hollow to me. I think today is a good example in multiple ways of an uncritical approach that belies no intention to solve. Thinking Roden defending me immediately as the day began being weird isn't unexpected due to his feelings yesterday. Titus voting Aureal may not be the greatest but there no real further attempt to solve that when there is a trove of VCA and interactions with Titus that makes her slot solvable at least for 3 game days. The firehouse postings of pairings viable or not do not feel fleshed out and are more like pretense (see Drew/Aureal) than anything else. Trying to spin finding traitors in FG as a reason to trust him does not play well when for all purposes Cakez would likely be thought to be town by group scum and Maestro was a traitor who if faded would be practically doing his job. The same when saying lauding the fact he claimed rightfully scum was on RR wagon while he was part of it and caused an early day.

I feel like if FL really thought I my tone was town he might have seen past "Maestro falling on the sword". Clearly I'm still a viable fade now, and I think Maestro would have recognized I always would be and wanted to cash in on his own fade as a converted traitor before the town could ignore him and search for group scum. Does that make sense? I dunno this is not exactly something I can really argue past but I think if a few certain people are so laser focused on my fade so far along into the game as to willfully ignore the other nuances of the game than perhaps they are the scum with an agenda.

Anyway that's my soapbox.

I see there are some cuts. will read

[ActionDan]

With the votes from Aureal / FL to me it confirms one of them is group scum (I'm not surprised). unless I get hammered overnight. Roden and Titus were probably both town prior to tonight so can't be both converts. Titus convert implies Theta scum. Not really sure how useful that is or if it matters atm. Vote should be between Me and Drew.

[ActionDan]

Titus result D3 is actually useful. Drew scum implies JV town then.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Drew

I'll leave this here.

Sleep time.. work soon -_-

[ActionDan]

Even if the mod made an error usually the mod would tell the affected party (Theta) but that not being the case probably means it is unrelated.

it uh
my results on roden did end up being the mod error
they just forgot to tell me the updated result until just a bit ago

Mod went 24+ hours without informing you since he caught the mistake. And I think he posted once in between. I suppose the Mod may have compounded on his hiccup. To confirm: you saw recruitment + 2 individual miscellaneous actions (your own ability not in the count)

Turning that over in my head... Dan stops conversions

from

FG? The same group that he's been insisting had no scum in it?

I'm gonna have to go back and read all this claim info stuff again aren't I?

Dan and Drew, can you clarify when and why you guys claimed your roles to each other in the FG?

More like I don't have the "Only effective against Non-FG players" language, if I had that then I would certainly have wondered why I did when I just doc. Similarly you wouldn't think there would need to be redundant language that said I protect against all threats foreign and domestic. The game may have be quite different otherwise.

For claim timings see below:

I also like actively defended NK15 AND Radical, albeit turning on RR when I saw E-1 because his flip helped confirm FG was leading it there. Then it lead to a double Addict phase the next couple days.

From memory you were suspicious of RR end of Day 1 and were okay with the RR train early on. Can you bring up some quotes around that time to show otherwise?

Flavor, what do you think of the odds Maestro was the n1 convert? A new person was coming into the slot and would have no background to be traced.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking. It's a good move to target the slot that has a replacement coming in so they're just a fresh face with a fresh view and no inconsistency with a previous attitude.

I said the same in the FG PT N1 when I crumbed my target (that I had bet a convert would be between Maestro and Drew, leaning Maestro) . D2 I claimed 1) that Maestro was Not converted and 2) had I flipped instead of NK15 people would be much less suspicious of the FG group. 3) that I am limited to targeting FG members and that's who I want to target.

D3 Drew publicly claimed he was responsible for blocking FL/Theta. After I asked for a FG mass claim; I full claimed, then Drew, then Maestro, then Cakez.

[ActionDan]

There is an annoying world where Drew is full rolestopper leaving omitting the roleblocking the target component and my protect was nulled but I still think Hu being N1 convert is most likely. Plus there was definitely a genuine annoyance expressed from Maestro in the PT that I didn't target him N2.

[ActionDan]

The Cop is not going to come out and claim an inno when nobody knows who they are yet

No but they could crumb one without revealing. I'd say there are two competing motives for a cop in this game. 1) Hold your innocent results so that if converted you don't have to out them. 2) Make sure you can be believed when you do. Much like a normal game the cop risks death if not outing results which means crumbing them becomes important. Same here.

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FL your Dan/Roden(convert) pairing is still awkward with Titus town. You would be left with having to select 2 of Thomith JV Hu as group scum and 2nd convert. So what's your best guess?

[ActionDan]

My scum flowchart from your perspective Titus is actually quite simple with a FL town assumption.

Dan scum, Roden convert, Hu group , Jv convert.

We have to assume thomith town regardless in this gamestate.

Drew's chart has a couple more branches / possibilities

[ActionDan]

Yes Drew I think it has to be.

@Titus we should have a convert from N1 or N2 (whatever night maestro wasn't converted) plus last night N4. And 2 group scum for a total of 4.

[ActionDan]

Thomith town as if he wasn't another convert from n3 would mean we'd be at 5v5 right now.

[ActionDan]

Thomith role may only specially work that way with yours Titus. I can see the mod taking away free info in exchange for a convertless night.

[ActionDan]

I cannot say why the mod has specifically chosen you to be effected by a restless night. Roden's role is useful 1 time only, FL and Theta have natural restrictions already being novices and non-consecutive actioners. Aureal is stuck following one person forever.

Sadly I have found it difficult to outguess the mod this game

[ActionDan]

Who do I vote today

Well if you're not trying to conspicuously run out the clock try reading up then thinking. Usually that helps

[ActionDan]

JV, tell me who we're voting. I'm lost on group scum.

Honestly from what I’m seeing I don’t really like Dan. I saw you were tossing up Dan and Drew so if you were talking about sorting those I feel a Dan

Always a good sign to see such a vote on such solid ground. Well go on, what's not to like?

Also Mod ever answer you?

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Dan

While I have my concerns this is wrong, most of my townreads prefer Dan and I don't want to decide this tmo when JV is the obvious conversion candidate.

Who are your townreads? Is JV one of them?

[ActionDan]

Well I'll wait to see what happens. If either Hu or Aureal are scum game will be over soon. So likely it will be.

[ActionDan]

Still prefer DV, will compromise on NK, not much interest in Titus

This is support for that from D1.

But Cakez did vote Titus too D1. Which I thought was critical. I wasn't there for when that went down so the timings of the votes and the risk of the NK and Titus wagons going through at any one moment are not obvious to me. I'll re-research it.

[ActionDan]

I’m tentatively rejecting that motion because I feel Titus’ reply to me choosing Dan would be kinda wacky considering she could have just put all the blame onto me if the flip goes poorly and Drew is the wolf

Are you for real? This is Eliminate or lose.

[ActionDan]

Yes I agree we should ignore your opinions and assume an appropriate inference when there's no support or merit to them. Well said!

[ActionDan]

Roden group scum auto forces both Hu and FL to be traitors based on their claims. It's unlikely.

With FL JV and Titus voting me I'm going to proceed with assuming 2 of 3 are scum. JV is all but admitting to that so I'll start there. And because Drew is scum Titus is only town if JV was the N4 convert due to her claimed D3 result. Also unlikely, as that in turn implies Theta is scum since Roden can't be the recruit in this scenario forcing him to be group scum forcing FL and Hu to he traitors and suddenly that's a contradiction with too many traitors. To keep Titus as town the team has to be Drew, Jv, Theta, FL.

Otherwise it's Drew, Titus, Jv, (1 of theta/roden).

And this is all assuming we don't see Drew's vote followed by Hu's followed by Roden/Theta which I'm waiting for.

[ActionDan]

No it does not. It stops all shared PT actions (aka conversions) and apparently singularly effects your ability to get sleep. Aside from locking PTs and creating the rec room it doesn't do anything else.

[ActionDan]

Then as far as I know they would still get results.

[ActionDan]

Why must we assume that?

[ActionDan]

It's strong yes, and mostly brainless, but conversions are very strong on their own. I don't think its unfair

[ActionDan]

And again, if it was a lie, outside of a conversion being blocked some other way this game, this game would be over right now

[ActionDan]

Titus, I don't know why you're not suspecting me anymore here. Drew/Aureal should be totally viable from your pov?

Wait half a day say and this will be disproven if I live

[ActionDan]

if you want to make a case for Drew, so be it, but i believe Dan and Roden being both scum is the most likely

OK, but Roden is a convert for you here yes? My group scum partner is who then? Hu?

Aureal even if Theta is scum here, what makes you think group scum and not convert? I dunno I think me vs Drew is best to do now because if you choose correctly you net a group scum.

And I do think Roden does make a lot of theoretical sense as a convert here. They really can't both be scum as I really should be dead quite soon in that case. I am patiently waiting for Drew to courteously vote me already so we can all make assumptions if there is a lack of hammer.

[ActionDan]

Also Hu Tao's role as Flavor describes can't be a traitor cop as Cakez was immune to that. So quite literally if FL's result is to be believed then group scum Hu Tao is an actual cop.

[ActionDan]

Actually if Titus and FL are both town together I don't think they can come up with a viable scum team with me in it. They have to reach for Thomith/JV as group scum both of which is problematic to me either rolewise (Thomith) or playwise (JV).

[ActionDan]

FG had access to a select few names/roles at the expense of having to outguess where Drew would target.

Nope. Drew has claimed his ability does not effect FG members. You keep ignoring that.

Most of the rest of your points are weak circumstantial evidence. Aside from the maestro bit. But I contend that if he thought he significantly tied himself to me he may have wanted to die as a convert while he could knowing I'd follow soon after.

[ActionDan]

Actually if Titus and FL are both town together I don't think they can come up with a viable scum team with me in it. They have to reach for Thomith/JV as group scum both of which is problematic to me either rolewise (Thomith) or playwise (JV).

Dan, Roden, Thomith, Hu Tao, JV, Aureal

are 6 candidates that could be partnered with you, especially with how Aureal's flipped here.

Now it looks like Aureal was actively siding with me and distancing from you.

So how is this not viable? I dont think it's Thomith, I believe Thomith's role, but Thomith could have been converted.

It can't be Aureal if you believe Titus is town. Names
It can't be Roden as your result suggests Hu was not converted so she would have lied about the inno making her group scum and now you have too many group scum
It can't be Hu tao as I don't believe that your description of her role is anything other than a cop if it is to be believed. and a cop isn't useful for scum for finding traitor Cakez as he was a reverse miller.
You agree it probably isn't Thomith.

So that leaves JV as my Group scum partner. Playwise it doesn't make much sense as Bianco's vote D3 was on me not Maestro rather early if I recall correctly. You're welcome to try and reconcile that.

if you want to make a case for Drew, so be it, but i believe Dan and Roden being both scum is the most likely

OK, but Roden is a convert for you here yes? My group scum partner is who then? Hu?

Aureal even if Theta is scum here, what makes you think group scum and not convert? I dunno I think me vs Drew is best to do now because if you choose correctly you net a group scum.

Because there is nobody. Else. Left.

Roden: cleared by Hu Tao
Hu Tao: would have to have quickly come up with a helluva fakeclaim and plan to cover herself when outted as flavor copped
Leaf: oh come on
Jackson: I suppose the mod

could

be evil enough to give coffee to groupscum but I don't want to live in that world
Thomith: scum blocking their own conversions, yeah right

Titus/Drew
Fl / Drew

are both viable group scum pairings to me atm. Agree that Theta/Drew is one too. I will take some time to think a bit more deeply about it though. (If I'm not quickhammered soon!)

[ActionDan]

this is false. You find Converts with that role, and in a game where you don't know who you convert, that is a strong role. And Titus has confirmed that Conversions come before her names, so i dont see why cop wouldn't.

Unless, of course, you're in the FG and do know who you're converting.

well as you just said as there is group scum in FG that converts... that would undermine the usefulness and strength of that role for scum to have almost no practicality, and with Cakez being a reverse miller that makes it all the worse as in the case scenario they target cakez it harms them.

[ActionDan]

Yes and the game is either 1) over by the time that might matter 2) Hu is vanillized 3) names are outed (Titus does exist) for this to not matter. It's niche and weak. But it sure would be good claim candy so for that alone sure Hu group scum is back on the menu. Now have fun making that pairing with me work in a way you can make sense of.

[ActionDan]

I wonder if its because you and him both had TMI

[ActionDan]

What are you even saying.

[ActionDan]

Moment of truth to see if entire scumteam is currently on me.

[ActionDan]

That Theta post was so bad that I think that answers the question of scum between roden/Theta.

[ActionDan]

Which will also be answered next roden post anyway

[ActionDan]

Fuck yeah

[ActionDan]

I guess there's still Hu but I think scum team has committed

[ActionDan]

BTW just FYI what FL said before about a failed conversion was false in case math is hard. My mis-fade still gets scum the win even if group scum is faded tomorrow.

I will be having a think about who the other group scum of the bunch is.

Or town loses. Wow

[ActionDan]

Drew FL Theta Titus scum I guess?

Really hard to tell

Well definitely Drew FL right?

[ActionDan]

You guys still win in that case. 6-3 goes to 5-4. Goes to 5-3 then 4-4

[ActionDan]

Sub JV for Titus then. Cakez may have voted when she wasn't in danger.

[ActionDan]

i only know three of them but not gonna say who the group are obviously in case there somehow is not a second traitor

Converted N4 I assume?

[ActionDan]

Why would you think I'd be a convert???? I was the juiciest misfade for 3 days running

[ActionDan]

Can we blame this on FL if he isn't somehow miraculously scum?

[ActionDan]

Uh huh

Anyway

Hope your real-life stuff is going better, Theta!

[ActionDan]

If I was a traitor I would have hammered myself.

[ActionDan]

Setup was incredibly scumsided imo, but even so I think it was an earned victory.

Flavor is a damn good bullshitter, and though I was already onto Theta, I probably wouldn't have ever caught Flavor had I survived. My guy basically claimed NK immune miller and we all just believed him.

Main cult being cut off from recruits is an interesting concept and a good idea to somewhat limit a cult's snowballyness, but it just wasn't enough given the power distribution here.

I think having any kind of actual investigation utility would have gone a long way for balance. Our two main "investigative" roles were red herrings doing more harm than good, and with no reliable way of determining if recruitment happened at all, let alone who did it, it felt impossible for Town to gain any kind of solid direction. I mean, we didn't even know our own win condition.

I will reiterate though that scum played a strong game, earned their win. In spite of the balance issues, things still definitely could have turned out differently with weaker players in the slots.

GG everyone, and thanks for modding RH

I concur with this assessment. Well played all. Sorry for fading RR

[ActionDan]

I do think the choice of culting drew was appropriate