I am sorry but for both you and Grack i think this should have been the most interesting thing 2024, for mine and Vivax' alignment, so don't bother if i have reservations against you because of it.In post 1370, DarthPunk wrote:What did you want me to say?In post 1332, outoforder wrote:Spoiler:In post 769, outoforder wrote:I'm actually thinking now, contrary to before, that this might be a mafia post. I mean the theory behind this is legit, but we are playing on a site where RVS is pretty common and Vivax knows it for sure. There is simply no reason to say this, especially FoS anyone for a RV.In post 46, Vivax wrote: This is IML. As soon as a majority is reached, the lunch is served. Drumming for quick votes is more mafia indicative than town indicative. We don‘t have enough information.
Consider this a FoS on Dannflor.
This is simply what happens in every single game when i am town. Yet Vivax somehow deduces this as a scum tell for me. Note that he doesn't even think gob is mafia.In post 314, Vivax wrote: [...]
In this instanceI can see Outoforder having that certain abrasiveness and pushing notions I mostly can't find myself agreeing withso he's the person who takes the heat while his team tries to appear reasonable. Main point that makes me vote him is how he approached gob which wasn't even a real read, he just said mafia wouldn't use such terrible reasoning.
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First underline, that'sIn post 430, Vivax wrote: [...]
We differ a lot in how we approach gob. You tend to just take people playing in a scummy manner at face value while to me he looks just like a player who has fun being contrarian and has zero fear of dyingwhile annoying the hell out of people who take the game extremely seriously. In that way, I prefer to just treat him as a little thorn in the side who draws too much attention for the game's good (no offense though, I find it amusing).
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I specifically find it suspicious from Oats though that he treated gob in that exceedingly serious manner while I did in a different one as described above. I mean sure, he doesn't make sense but if he's town that's a main priority for scum to push. I don't know his alignment but I could see him being town shark bait. He's not even triyng to be scummy on purpose, he's just... Derp?
Made the post a clickable spoiler since i assume that was the intentexactly how i did and have treated gob, i am scummy.
Second underline, Oats did the opposite, he is scummy.
What is scummy? Is every singe way you treat gob scummy or what?
There is simply no reason to assume Oats has done anything out of his town range anyways. Vivax should also know that.
Vivax just described how DP would act as mafia and turned the whole thing around so thatIn post 622, Vivax wrote: Oats mostly from his abrasiveness and the whole stuff I already explained surrounding the way he handled gob who I saw as lunch bait at the time.
You because of the interaction with Ninja that I explained. Would have expected more pushback from you or let's call it OMGUS if you will.
OOO similarly to Oats because of his initial bad vibe I got.thatwould look town andthis doesn't.
Similarly Vivax just described exactly how me and Oats appear as town, rather than as mafia. Sure,both of us could probably act like that as mafiabut there is simply no reaso nto believe either of us is mafiabecauseof that.
DP what's your excuse of not commenting on this post?
Same goes for Grack.
I noted it for later and was more interested in something else that I was filter diving at the time.
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I am sorry but for both you and Grack i think this should have been the most interesting thing 2024, for mine and Vivax' alignment, so don't bother if i have reservations against you because of it.In post 1370, DarthPunk wrote:
What did you want me to say?In post 1332, outoforder wrote:Spoiler:
DP what's your excuse of not commenting on this post?
Same goes for Grack.
I noted it for later and was more interested in something else that I was filter diving at the time.-
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Yeah, you're right. It doesn't make sense-
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Vivax look at this, it doesnt make any senseIn post 1369, outoforder wrote:
into...In post 1113, Dannflor wrote: The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden
into, lets vote for Naerys.In post 1355, Dannflor wrote: okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad
I will sleep on it and reconsider
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I didn’t say I was interested in voting for luca, I had a small doubt about him which luca addressedIn post 1374, outoforder wrote: "there is this wagon on luca i have placed interest in, i am voting for DP.
DP isnt happening so lets vote for naerys because she is hedging on roden"????????????????
I also don’t really know that I want to kill naerys, I was just saying she is probably in my lim pool and putting that out there because I’m trying to compromise and work with people-
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anyway im going to bed
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Ultimately I still probably just wanna go Roden gun to head right now-
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I kinda just want to end day 1 already. It feels like ot could drag on for awhile unless we come to a reasonable compromise-
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Possible town explanation is that he also actively counters the majority’s thinking, maybe unconsciously.In post 1371, DarthPunk wrote:
Guy is mafia. Clearly.In post 1369, outoforder wrote:
into...In post 1113, Dannflor wrote: The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden
into, lets vote for Naerys.In post 1355, Dannflor wrote: okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad
I will sleep on it and reconsider
as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here
Otherwise it‘s like he described the current concerns about Luca in en earlier post and then decided to defend him instead while dismissing said former arguments.
I though Luca to be townie earlier on for his calm demeanor as well but that changed when I looked at how he isolated Roden according to thread sentiment and TR a lot of players.
The complacency about not having formed a clear TR on Dunn, Hu and Naerys sticks out as opportunistic. It‘s like the post communicated ‚hey it‘s okay I think everyone suspecting Roden can be town. Let‘s do it‘
Given the overall contributions I‘d prefer to prioritize a Luca lim first, but I am open to Dann in case the majority requires it (which is to say I‘d hammer if you want to do that first).-
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Dont do that. More time = more chances for town to find mafia. We at TL play 48/24 phases, i dont remember a game where by D3 we dont lynch mafia.In post 1381, Hu Tao wrote: I kinda just want to end day 1 already. It feels like ot could drag on for awhile unless we come to a reasonable compromise
Basically this D1 is half past D4 so...
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Yeah that‘s what Luca‘s listpost implied as well.In post 1380, Dannflor wrote: Ultimately I still probably just wanna go Roden gun to head right now
If Roden flipped scum it‘d give you both a lot of breathing room.
Coincidentally he refused to be strongarmed into voting Luca when he got an opportunity to do so.
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Dann is very very likely to be mafia.-
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So do you think it's luca/dann/???In post 1385, outoforder wrote: Dann is very very likely to be mafia.-
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yeah, could still be roden. or grack for instance.In post 1386, Hu Tao wrote:
So do you think it's luca/dann/???In post 1385, outoforder wrote: Dann is very very likely to be mafia.-
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I'll look into it. But i still kinda thing Dann is town. But I'm always wrong on Dann it feels like-
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Roden probably being thrown. Dann specifically said he started to like my posts when I began considering Roden scum. Then he decided to scumread DP out of nowhere.In post 1386, Hu Tao wrote:
So do you think it's luca/dann/???In post 1385, outoforder wrote: Dann is very very likely to be mafia.
But Roden is the weakest link.
We had a signature around that said that town is as strong as their weakest player and mafia as strong as their strongest.
On the other hand it‘s a bit odd that Dann would miss a question from his teammate early. It‘s something mafia would pay more attention to.-
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Because flips manIn post 1383, outoforder wrote:
Dont do that. More time = more chances for town to find mafia. We at TL play 48/24 phases, i dont remember a game where by D3 we dont lynch mafia.In post 1381, Hu Tao wrote: I kinda just want to end day 1 already. It feels like ot could drag on for awhile unless we come to a reasonable compromise
Basically this D1 is half past D4 so...
Impossible to NOT find mafia on D1 if townies keep on interest in the game.-
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VOTE: roden
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It can still be grack, just agreeing with you on luca thinking noone else will buy it.
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Why does mafia not want to vote for him?
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I’m getting the sql error dp was earlier-
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Like Oats, if you think Roden is mafia and Luca is town, why does Roden just not vote for Luca when vivax gives him a 100% out?-
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I mean yes but we flip dann first no?
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I mean yes he should vote for Luca optimally I think regardless of if he’s mafia or notIn post 1396, outoforder wrote: Like Oats, if you think Roden is mafia and Luca is town, why does Roden just not vote for Luca when vivax gives him a 100% out?-
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Maybe just to witness it for once and ride shiny and chrome to Valhalla I would.In post 1265, Dannflor wrote: I understand this is an uphill battle
I understand none of his friends are going to want to kill DP D1
Not when I‘m playing to win though. He makes sense and pours the gravy.
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