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Spoiler:

This is IML. As soon as a majority is reached, the lunch is served. Drumming for quick votes is more mafia indicative than town indicative. We don‘t have enough information.

Consider this a FoS on Dannflor.

I'm actually thinking now, contrary to before, that this might be a mafia post. I mean the theory behind this is legit, but we are playing on a site where RVS is pretty common and Vivax knows it for sure. There is simply no reason to say this, especially FoS anyone for a RV.

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In this instance

I can see Outoforder having that certain abrasiveness and pushing notions I mostly can't find myself agreeing with

so he's the person who takes the heat while his team tries to appear reasonable. Main point that makes me vote him is how he approached gob which wasn't even a real read, he just said mafia wouldn't use such terrible reasoning.
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This is simply what happens in every single game when i am town. Yet Vivax somehow deduces this as a scum tell for me. Note that he doesn't even think gob is mafia.

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We differ a lot in how we approach gob. You tend to just take people playing in a scummy manner at face value while to me he looks just like a player who has fun being contrarian and has zero fear of dying

while annoying the hell out of people who take the game extremely seriously. In that way, I prefer to just treat him as a little thorn in the side who draws too much attention for the game's good (no offense though, I find it amusing).
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I specifically find it suspicious from Oats though that he treated gob in that exceedingly serious manner while I did in a different one as described above

. I mean sure, he doesn't make sense but if he's town that's a main priority for scum to push. I don't know his alignment but I could see him being town shark bait. He's not even triyng to be scummy on purpose, he's just... Derp?

Made the post a clickable spoiler since i assume that was the intent

First underline, that's

exactly how i did and have treated gob

, i am scummy.
Second underline, Oats did the opposite, he is scummy.
What is scummy? Is every singe way you treat gob scummy or what?
There is simply no reason to assume Oats has done anything out of his town range anyways. Vivax should also know that.

Oats mostly from his abrasiveness and the whole stuff I already explained surrounding the way he handled gob who I saw as lunch bait at the time.
You because of the interaction with Ninja that I explained. Would have expected more pushback from you or let's call it OMGUS if you will.
OOO similarly to Oats because of his initial bad vibe I got.

Vivax just described how DP would act as mafia and turned the whole thing around so that

that

would look town and

this doesn't

.
Similarly Vivax just described exactly how me and Oats appear as town, rather than as mafia. Sure,

both of us could probably act like that as mafia

but there is simply no reaso nto believe either of us is mafia

because

of that.

DP what's your excuse of not commenting on this post?
Same goes for Grack.

What did you want me to say?

I noted it for later and was more interested in something else that I was filter diving at the time.

I am sorry but for both you and Grack i think this should have been the most interesting thing 2024, for mine and Vivax' alignment, so don't bother if i have reservations against you because of it.

[Hu Tao]

Yeah, you're right. It doesn't make sense

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The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden

into...

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

into, lets vote for Naerys.

Vivax look at this, it doesnt make any sense

[Dannflor]

"there is this wagon on luca i have placed interest in, i am voting for DP.
DP isnt happening so lets vote for naerys because she is hedging on roden"????????????????

I didn’t say I was interested in voting for luca, I had a small doubt about him which luca addressed

I also don’t really know that I want to kill naerys, I was just saying she is probably in my lim pool and putting that out there because I’m trying to compromise and work with people

[Dannflor]

anyway im going to bed

Ill decide what I want to do in the morning

[Dannflor]

Ultimately I still probably just wanna go Roden gun to head right now

[Hu Tao]

I kinda just want to end day 1 already. It feels like ot could drag on for awhile unless we come to a reasonable compromise

[Vivax]

The main thing I'm bothered about by Luca is that he hasn't really pushed anything himself and doesn't have any strong scum reads outside of the consensus Roden

into...

okay that's two other people beside DP who said my case on DP is bad

I will sleep on it and reconsider

as a side note I don't really vibe with the Luca case overall, I feel like it largely comes down to him not being as present and being more calm than the average player here

into, lets vote for Naerys.

Guy is mafia. Clearly.

Possible town explanation is that he also actively counters the majority’s thinking, maybe unconsciously.

Otherwise it‘s like he described the current concerns about Luca in en earlier post and then decided to defend him instead while dismissing said former arguments.

I though Luca to be townie earlier on for his calm demeanor as well but that changed when I looked at how he isolated Roden according to thread sentiment and TR a lot of players.

The complacency about not having formed a clear TR on Dunn, Hu and Naerys sticks out as opportunistic. It‘s like the post communicated ‚hey it‘s okay I think everyone suspecting Roden can be town. Let‘s do it‘

Given the overall contributions I‘d prefer to prioritize a Luca lim first, but I am open to Dann in case the majority requires it (which is to say I‘d hammer if you want to do that first).

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I kinda just want to end day 1 already. It feels like ot could drag on for awhile unless we come to a reasonable compromise

Dont do that. More time = more chances for town to find mafia. We at TL play 48/24 phases, i dont remember a game where by D3 we dont lynch mafia.
Basically this D1 is half past D4 so...

Impossible to NOT find mafia on D1 if townies keep on interest in the game.

[Vivax]

Ultimately I still probably just wanna go Roden gun to head right now

Yeah that‘s what Luca‘s listpost implied as well.
If Roden flipped scum it‘d give you both a lot of breathing room.

Coincidentally he refused to be strongarmed into voting Luca when he got an opportunity to do so.

Maybe he‘s the fall guy ?

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Dann is very very likely to be mafia.

[Hu Tao]

Dann is very very likely to be mafia.

So do you think it's luca/dann/???

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Dann is very very likely to be mafia.

So do you think it's luca/dann/???

yeah, could still be roden. or grack for instance.

[Hu Tao]

I'll look into it. But i still kinda thing Dann is town. But I'm always wrong on Dann it feels like

[Vivax]

Dann is very very likely to be mafia.

So do you think it's luca/dann/???

Roden probably being thrown. Dann specifically said he started to like my posts when I began considering Roden scum. Then he decided to scumread DP out of nowhere.

But Roden is the weakest link.

We had a signature around that said that town is as strong as their weakest player and mafia as strong as their strongest.

On the other hand it‘s a bit odd that Dann would miss a question from his teammate early. It‘s something mafia would pay more attention to.

[Oatsmaster]

UNVOTE:

I kinda just want to end day 1 already. It feels like ot could drag on for awhile unless we come to a reasonable compromise

Dont do that. More time = more chances for town to find mafia. We at TL play 48/24 phases, i dont remember a game where by D3 we dont lynch mafia.
Basically this D1 is half past D4 so...

Impossible to NOT find mafia on D1 if townies keep on interest in the game.

Because flips man

[Oatsmaster]

VOTE: roden

I’m still not convinced by the Luca stuff.

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It can still be grack, just agreeing with you on luca thinking noone else will buy it.
It came out of nowhere when he was scumreading me and townreading Luca.

[Oatsmaster]

UNVOTE: Picking between dann and roden is like picking between 2 equally good options

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VOTE: roden

I’m still not convinced by the Luca stuff.

Why does mafia not want to vote for him?

[Oatsmaster]

I’m getting the sql error dp was earlier

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Like Oats, if you think Roden is mafia and Luca is town, why does Roden just not vote for Luca when vivax gives him a 100% out?

[Oatsmaster]

VOTE: roden

I’m still not convinced by the Luca stuff.

Why does mafia not want to vote for him?

I mean yes but we flip dann first no?

[Oatsmaster]

Like Oats, if you think Roden is mafia and Luca is town, why does Roden just not vote for Luca when vivax gives him a 100% out?

I mean yes he should vote for Luca optimally I think regardless of if he’s mafia or not

[Vivax]

I understand this is an uphill battle

I understand none of his friends are going to want to kill DP D1

Maybe just to witness it for once and ride shiny and chrome to Valhalla I would.

Not when I‘m playing to win though. He makes sense and pours the gravy.