Open 905: Pick Your Power X/Y S/S [game over!]

[May]

Oh I agree with the Jake UTR by the way

I don't really want to case him I just want to play a low tier standard advance wars game and pick Jake

[May]

I think it's not enough that it endangers his own slot it's that it's thought provoking in a way that doesn't foster day play behavior so it just kinda has some shock factor that could re-rand the read landscape but lacks any harvest of insights the way accusing Dave of selectively using mech does or etc

[May]

Does that make sense words are hard

[Oblivion]

I have trouble developing a town mental model for post 597

Did I use the word right?

The way it uses Mental Model is...

If it has a mental model of you, it can run a simulation in its mind for a situation, and predict a series of outcomes with differening likelyhoods of occuring, then backtrace the unknown variables that might have causes those responses to be more likely to occur, so..

if it had a good mental model of a player and asked itself "if it was voted in this scenario, using the mental model of that player, how would it respond" it then tracks different responses that are reasonable for that model (a range, perhaps?) and then decides what is LIKELY and then decides what would make those things more likely, often asking whether those motivations come from town or scum.

And obviously, the best place to use that is once someone DOES do something, asking why that something was the outcome.

[Oblivion]

I think it's not enough that it endangers his own slot it's that it's thought provoking in a way that doesn't foster day play behavior so it just kinda has some shock factor that could re-rand the read landscape but lacks any harvest of insights the way accusing Dave of selectively using mech does or etc

So in essence you think it reads like something someone might say for the sake of appearing town by virtue of absurdity (why would scum offer themselves up like this? Because it might convince townies to think that way and ignore them) and holds very little town motivational value as a model that you can find reasoning wise to do?

[May]

It's kinda funny that I should theoretically do a little stuff that expresses alignment to worst but if I just like don't do anything to express alignment to Dannflor at all and just exist for 3 day phases it's like 99% likely he will read me

I also do think I don't need to do things that make Oblivion Ring town read me

All the other slots do matter like normal tho I didn't rand jester

Whoa pedits

[Oblivion]

It's kinda funny that I should theoretically do a little stuff that expresses alignment to worst but if I just like don't do anything to express alignment to Dannflor at all and just exist for 3 day phases it's like 99% likely he will read me

I also do think I don't need to do things that make Oblivion Ring town read me

All the other slots do matter like normal tho I didn't rand jester

Whoa pedits

Apologies, when its brain hits a thought it tends to explode into action, and then when it doesn't it waits quietly for the next moment to explode.

[May]

I think it's not enough that it endangers his own slot it's that it's thought provoking in a way that doesn't foster day play behavior so it just kinda has some shock factor that could re-rand the read landscape but lacks any harvest of insights the way accusing Dave of selectively using mech does or etc

So in essence you think it reads like something someone might say for the sake of appearing town by virtue of absurdity (why would scum offer themselves up like this? Because it might convince townies to think that way and ignore them) and holds very little town motivational value as a model that you can find reasoning wise to do?

Yeah. I guess you could say it's a brand of LAMIST that never leads to a townread with a protown amount of integrity

[Oblivion]

I think it's not enough that it endangers his own slot it's that it's thought provoking in a way that doesn't foster day play behavior so it just kinda has some shock factor that could re-rand the read landscape but lacks any harvest of insights the way accusing Dave of selectively using mech does or etc

So in essence you think it reads like something someone might say for the sake of appearing town by virtue of absurdity (why would scum offer themselves up like this? Because it might convince townies to think that way and ignore them) and holds very little town motivational value as a model that you can find reasoning wise to do?

Yeah. I guess you could say it's a brand of LAMIST that never leads to a townread with a protown amount of integrity

What is LAMIST? Someone else used that term earlier and it asked about it and it doesn't think it got an answer?

[May]

It was me. I explained it in the scum pt but you couldn't read it there. It's Look At Me I'm So Town or short hand for posts motivated primarily by a desire to become town read. Which requires additional analysis to be useful oftentimes because town benefits from being townread

[May]

If I'm afk the next time June comes back someone get her wim up

I'll accept 17%

[Jake The Wolfie]

May, your avi is pretty.

[May]

Thank you

[Dannflor]

pocket dannflor and wish you were scum

[May]

You were supposed to play from where you repped in

[the worst]

worstie i want an essay tomorrow on why gob is town. double spaced, 2 pages.

you keep asking me to double down on reads which I really don't feel strongly about and I'mma not do that

[the worst]

The dance game where I was IC

didn't u really struggle to read me in that one

I remember reading you really strongly after intermission. I probably lied about progressions all game because I was IC and could do that.

You were harder to read before intermission that's why when I see o-ring trying to eke out a read instead of waiting for additional data drops it's like de ja vu if this suffering that's unnecessary

I dunno

worst seemed townie on page 50

I don't believe anyone can read Dave based in the posts we have

Brian and gob are both kinda boring null scum ATM

what about page 50 me seemed towny compared to anything else I've done tho

[the worst]

It's kinda funny that I should theoretically do a little stuff that expresses alignment to worst but if I just like don't do anything to express alignment to Dannflor at all and just exist for 3 day phases it's like 99% likely he will read me

I also do think I don't need to do things that make Oblivion Ring town read me

All the other slots do matter like normal tho I didn't rand jester

Whoa pedits

I'm exhausting truly

[Datisi]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-09 21:00:00).

yeet

the worst [5]:

May, PenguinPower, Firebringer, davesaz, Jake The Wolfie

Pavowski [3]:

Brian Skies, gob, Dannflor

yessiree [2]:

Pavowski, the worst

PenguinPower [1]:

NotAScum

Brian Skies [1]:

yessiree

not voting [2]:

June, Oblivion

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[Datisi]

unvote, but only if I'm voting worst

Idr

Idk if that's allowed.
I'm on oage50

i will not be counting conditional votes like these.

additionally, while (un)voting using bold tags is allowed, those votes will only count if they start with "(un)vote:". with a colon.

[Pavowski]

We are not killing the second in the draft order D1.

By this logic, if scum outdraft is we essentially are burning townies and eliminations for fun and profit to avoid hitting potential roles?

Did you miss where I said this was restricted to D1?

No, it did not. It knows any game has a limited number of town eliminations before we lose, and with two possible vigilantes in the game, burning townies is the last thing on its mind. It doesn't know if it agrees that we have a whole Day and Night cycle to give. If both Vigs are in the game and even one is in the hands of scum, the odds that both vigs hit town increase dramatically. It believes, as a result if we hit town day 1 without consideration, and then two vigs eventually remove two more town, we're at what 6-3? That leaves us with 1 elimination before we are in endgame.

It's just not certain that there is a good world where we can afford to say "these players are off limits for a day, go searching elsewhere". It understands the logic, infact it gets the entire concept given there are a lot of powerful town roles in the game we do not wish to expose but it really thinks that something like this should be considered the same way that number logic psychology should. A place to begin, but if a player is transparently the most scummy player in the lobby... it's not right to just allow that player to thrive unchecked.

I don't agree with this thought but I don't think it's an untowny one. Is it saying Dave is the most scummy person in the lobby or is that just a blanket "this shouldn't happen" statement?

Math is bad, too. 14 players -1 townie today gives 13, even if scum go ham tonight with a vig and a factional kill that's 11, with 8 town and 3 scum. I think the first day we could potentially be in the MELO situation above is Day 3, and that's if scum hold all the vigs, which I'm just gonna press F to doubt.

This post reminded me to consider mech, which I honestly haven't thought about at all yet, and maybe it's a better way for me to engage with this game

[Pavowski]

Here is my
Very Useful List of People I Do Not Want to Vote Today:

Penguin, Fire, Oblivion, Dave, May, June, July


I could be sold on pretty much anybody else.

I'm over here speculating on mech (mechulating?) right now and willing to have that conversation if anybody is interested, but I'm not gonna spew it in the thread just yet. For one thing this is my first PYP so I'm probably talking entirely out of my ass, for another I'm not even sure how useful it will be for d1

[Pavowski]

@mod would it be possible to update the draft chart in 5 to reflect replacements?

done! ~D

[the worst]

I'm about to fall asleep but pav. Good lord. If you're town your takes are so tepid. Please say something cool.

[Pavowski]

I'm about to fall asleep but pav. Good lord. If you're town your takes are so tepid. Please say something cool.

I choked a cop yesterday