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[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not gob

[JacksonVirgo]

Having different reads isn't at all weird, if everybody has to have the same reads as everybody else a game of mafia would not work. We're different people, people read differently. I didn't read Gob's posts all that much, I don't like reading my pred's stuff I consider it useless.

[JacksonVirgo]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo appears to be quite pissed off that someone is telling him he doesn't have a grasp on the game. He's being a bit sensitive and he was with this also:

Quoting exactly you dismissing my actual argument against that logic

[JacksonVirgo]

Roland as dismissing my skill at the game, and you're scum-reading Gob's behaviour simply for having seperate reads from you. That's the extent that I understand both your current read on Gob and Roland's behaviour saying I had no grasp on the game.

[JacksonVirgo]

That's not a good road to go down

[JacksonVirgo]

though I wasn't looking for blood lol

I added my own creative liberties

[JacksonVirgo]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either.

I'm not asking you to explain your preds actions, I'm saying

your logic

is based in the assumption that different = scummy.

[JacksonVirgo]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either.

I'm not asking you to explain your preds actions, I'm saying

your logic

is based in the assumption that different = scummy.

Well it's not just the read itself. Indeed if I scum read anyone with different reads from me, I'd probably scum read 100% of everyone I ever play with, right?

I do think there's something to a read that doesn't jive with ANYONE, though, and which seems REALLY off from my best efforts to characterize people. Both of these things are true of Gob's read there. I do indeed look at a unique read that nobody else shares, that seems to fly in the face of my own understanding of the game, with suspicion. And I should bring up a third and equally important factor: how well-defended it is. Because for sure someone can come out of nowhere with a totally new read, totally different from everyone else, but if they offer a good case for it, I'm a lot more likely to take that read as a serious, sincere read. Gob, as far as I can understand, didn't even try to prove that case.

So it does go a lot further beyond "you're just scum-reading the guy for having a different read".

I replaced in on page 14, I just looked back and Gob's scum-read of Freezer seemed to peak at around page 10. Do you seriously think Town would all unanimously agree on any read in that small amount of time outside of extreme circumstances? Do you think that every player must feel the need to try and push and prove their point to the best of their ability? In general AND at that point in the game? You've made this argument twice, and I feel you're running with a few assumptions I don't think you should be running with.

[JacksonVirgo]

You're either pushing an agenda, or expecting too much from people

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright. I'm satisfied with JacksonVirgo and moving him out of scum territory for now.

We love to see it, but can you explain this shift?

[JacksonVirgo]

You made a valid argument on why I should probably drop the whole Gob thing.

You're also tackling my questions pretty directly, not avoiding them and equivocating, which is townie behavior.

For the first part, I hope you're also aware that wolves can make valid arguments. I'll take it though haha

[JacksonVirgo]

GIF didn't town-read themselves, confirmed scum!!

[JacksonVirgo]

(also are you a she, he, neither? your name and title is confusing me)

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm against an NM elim

[JacksonVirgo]

Now I will emotionally blackmail everybody by saying I will never think ur cool if ur into an NM elim

[JacksonVirgo]

Now I will emotionally blackmail everybody by saying I will never think ur cool if ur into an NM elim

Pssh, I already have it writing that you think I am cool

Damn, you got me there

[JacksonVirgo]

Now I will emotionally blackmail everybody by sayin that unless you're Drew I will never think ur cool if ur into an NM elim

[JacksonVirgo]

I need to ask another newbie question, please indulge me…

What does EBWOP stand for?

Thanks in advance.

Edit by way of post.

As we can’t edit, ebwop is our way if letting ppl know that the post is a correction etc

[JacksonVirgo]

I have a message for everyone. This is based on the honor system, don't click if it aint you!!!!

Spoiler: Pro NM Elim

Spoiler: Anti NM Elim

[JacksonVirgo]

@Mod

: How is Not_Mafia playing to his win condition here? Serious question. There is a lack of consistency when one player is kicked while another isn't, you can't blame me for thinking it might be alignment indicative.

If you don't want me to draw such conclusions then be consistent and kick both players, not just one, for game throwing and playing against win con.

This is something to talk about privately

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, thom got here before me. Based

[JacksonVirgo]

Look I know I said I wanted people to see I was town, but not like this lol N_M is probably just purposely putting me first to make me look sus. I can’t escape it! If he flips scum I hope yall see that he’s just doing this to spite me

Meanwhile I got no idea which is me

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh right, yes Latoya

[JacksonVirgo]

And Jackson, what DO you listen to if you want to chill out?

I answered that? But here's one particular song



This song has been played so much lately, this performance version in particular.

BTW even this I would not listen to if I wanted to chill haha. This is still very much angsty spectrum for me. If I'm looking to chill, I'm listening to stuff like Cigarettes After Sex or Aphex Twin. (I'm also probably a hopeless hipster...former college radio DJ here, FYI lol)

I music isn’t angsty, heavy or kpop I dont want it >:C

[JacksonVirgo]

I kinda wanna cfd drew now for funsies.

cfd?

It’s like a last minute speed shift to another wagon to elim. Chinese fire drill, got no idea where that has anything to do with what it means but yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

Damn I should have tried that strat, smh

[JacksonVirgo]

There's a cute and adorable cow in every one of my posts yet it never gets me anywhere

Not true! I’m fighting hard for ur survival!!!

[JacksonVirgo]

I genuinely don’t think the game is going to advance without a flip at this rate, for the sake of thread health I’m okay with NM but I’m not super happy about it

[JacksonVirgo]

Can everyone give three elim choices, in order of preference

[JacksonVirgo]

We will consolidate and remove vanity wagons and go from there

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll start. Snow > Fancy > NM

[JacksonVirgo]

IndeScribeable and Ping Pong Planet are apparently me and Malachai. Who is who?

This might be apparent for the others, but not for me. Can someone help me please?

I also would like to hear Fancy when he has time.

I got no idea either, but I’m assuming malachi is ping pong

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you be a bro and give me your preferences for the lim?

[JacksonVirgo]

I was going to get to that after, baby steps

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: NM

[JacksonVirgo]

No longer want Snow, I dont think people are feeling Fancy rn

[JacksonVirgo]

If NM flips town, then this was totally a policy lim

If they flip scum, then I am a genius and everyone should sheep all my reads going forward

Lmfao, yes sir. I’m actually shifted pretty substantially on Snow. I don’t really understand some of their recent behaviour if they were a wolf. I’ll be delving into this tomorrow if I live I can’t be fucked in twilight

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait idt that was hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

I was using twilight to justify me not being assed to explain myself. Ima pretend it is and explain D2 anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah damn, I’m caught scum now. This is so sad

[JacksonVirgo]

After his latest post against me, I’m more than happy to banner it put him at E-1, whatever the count is at. If anyone is against this, please say so now (and why)

He is at E-1 but feel free to hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

He is very much not

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

I swear it was Roland. Huh, whoops

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean I was insulted, I’d remember if I was going to remember. It’s nai

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm also busy on weekends so no shade there.

However all those votes you made were for RVS, policy or inactivity - so it doesn't show me you are identifying scummy behaviour real or imagined.

That’s been where the general focus has been in general

[JacksonVirgo]

Policy, inactivity etc

[JacksonVirgo]

Games been super stagnated for a while, few pushes happen but it ends right back to policy

[JacksonVirgo]

Omg it’s Doctor Drew, may I get an autograph?

[JacksonVirgo]

Omg it’s Doctor Drew, may I get an autograph?

It will cost you

Omg I’d pay anything for the Doctor Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

No, he shouldn’t.

This game has been hella weird, and out of my 10+ years of playing on this site, I’ve never seen a game like this ever lol

Literally

[JacksonVirgo]

I actually think NM actually is scum here, there is definitely a sense of panic from them.

And this is definitely the most I have seen them actually play the game(the irony given the controversy surrounding him lol)

I have to agree

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh towns actually throwing instead, we love to see it. I thought gob replaced out

[JacksonVirgo]

NM wagon lookin clean as fuck. The drew wagon? Smh

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew wagoneers arent actually that bad but that wagon is pure ass for a d1 with this much dissonance

[JacksonVirgo]

NM was at E-1 before and never claimed, don’t put this on Kay.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was totally not expecting that kill

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Malachai

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Malachai

I don’t think this is the correct direction we should be going.

I don’t think so, I checked back in the VC history for when NM/RN was happening and he looks pretty bad with that. I’m also using Drews read on him to back my confidence in this vote.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Malachai

I don’t think this is the correct direction we should be going.

I don’t think so, I checked back in the VC history for when NM/RN was happening and he looks pretty bad with that. I’m also using Drews read on him to back my confidence in this vote.

What makes you uneasy about VC history?

Their move to you seemed to happen at an opportunistic moment. I was actively searching for a vote that looked bad so I may very well be blowing it out of proportion but the fact I saw that it was his vote, that Drew had a scum-ready on him and my thoughts have been townie towards him on the surface level but my actual opinion on him has been falling at least a small amount consistently that I threw out temporarily to try and help town dissonance but that should be relatively gone now so I can admit to myself those feelings.

I still think a scum is in my top reads from D1 and one died, if it’s not Malachi I’m thinking Solon but Malachi feels so much better to me as a bunch of things are lining up specifically rather than just one argument I personally hold against Solon which is that he dropped off when he was getting townread as if there was no need to post. Which aligns with what a scum would feel.

I also massively dislike Malachais retraction of the gob/jv read. It was incredibly jarring and I didn’t trust it for a moment but knew I had to wait to call on this feeling or it’d do more harm than good. I waited and hoped someone would respond before me so I can just wilfully ignore it for the moment but nobody did so I just made up whatever response I could to move on.

[JacksonVirgo]

I actually think NM actually is scum here, there is definitely a sense of panic from them.

And this is definitely the most I have seen them actually play the game(the irony given the controversy surrounding him lol)

Drew - what made you feel a sense of panic from N_M? Him being unusually active (by N_M's standards) or something else?

Explain why you’re asking this right after he answers

[JacksonVirgo]

I actually think NM actually is scum here, there is definitely a sense of panic from them.

And this is definitely the most I have seen them actually play the game(the irony given the controversy surrounding him lol)

Drew - what made you feel a sense of panic from N_M? Him being unusually active (by N_M's standards) or something else?

Explain why you’re asking this right after he answers

You mean "why am I asking if Drew's post contains the answer"? Drew has had had experience with N_M, he referred to that experience and somewhat defended N_M at first, but then called him a panicked scum. I wonder whether there is anything specific save for N_M's unusual activity. And yes, I suspect a Drew-N_M team.

You are conf-biased, and if you believe you aren’t the burden of proof is on you. At the moment I am refusing to humour a drew scum world

[JacksonVirgo]

I’d like to know if any of Snow’s reads have changed.

Need to do a VC analysis myself. Tentatively I would still townread Fancy (prob even more) and Solon and may be Jackson. At least reluctant to vote Jackson today.

Will look at Drew-Malachai-Kay. Malachai has been my TR, but Drew's train, which formed and dissolved so quickly, needs some thought.

Why a VC analysis?

[JacksonVirgo]

Snow also has strong scum equity through my VCA, probably stronger than Malachai does actually but deeper analysis can come soon

[JacksonVirgo]

Malachai dipped off, Snow actively avoided it which I considered Townie at the time hence my shift I was refusing to explain in the moment. Solon as a counterwagon is strange, but the alternative was NM who would have been their partner in a scum snow world. The pivot to Drew is awful but it would also explain why that happened to begin with. One of malachai and snow are wolves and we have the freedom to chop down both. I want to chop down both.

[JacksonVirgo]

“It” being the NM wagon, to be extra clear

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, where was this depth of analysis yesterday?

Didn’t realise we had a scum flip yesterday that I could use for VCA.. oh wait that’s right, we didn’t :O

Lmfao, jokes aside. My analysis was in depth, it was just subjective and thus mostly in my head. Yesterday I played in a way that I felt was needed, we didn’t need another person spitting whatever bullshit to get their own vanity wagon up and running when thread health was so poor.

[JacksonVirgo]

Malachai dipped off, Snow actively avoided it which I considered Townie at the time hence my shift I was refusing to explain in the moment. Solon as a counterwagon is strange, but the alternative was NM who would have been their partner in a scum snow world. The pivot to Drew is awful but it would also explain why that happened to begin with. One of malachai and snow are wolves and we have the freedom to chop down both. I want to chop down both.

Frankly I am having a lot of trouble following your arguments and your thought processes.

It seems like so much of your reads are super heavily dependent on a town read of Drew. Doesn't that make you uncomfortable? Not even GIF considered Drew a townread, so what makes you so sure that he is?

It is not dependent on Drew, my own reads are my own but I am leveraging my read on Drew to do what I feel is best in the long run. If I’m wrong, it will show itself and I’ll work through it. It’s not a single point of failure. I’m confident he is town, enough to where I feel safe doing this. I’m not sheeping him by any means, I wouldn’t vote someone I think is town.

[JacksonVirgo]

No longer want Snow, I dont think people are feeling Fancy rn

Are you still feeling Fancy? And I mean that in the literal sense, not in the "maybe I'll wear a suit" sense, just to be clear.

I’m not, I think he looks the best regarding VCA

[JacksonVirgo]

Do I detect role-fishing?

VOTE: Gob

I declare that RVS is now over. Onwards!

So which part of Gob’s post was rolefishing?

Why u trying to play the otherside now?

You made your line in the sand FreezerGuy.

Also i am a cop with a gun. I check role alignmente and kill people.

His role claim quickly grew to absurdity. I'm not really taking it seriously.

It was a serious claim, N1 Bulletproof Novice 1-shot Cop.

[JacksonVirgo]

Joking, that is not my role

[JacksonVirgo]

Vote count analysis

[JacksonVirgo]

As the words imply, analysing vote history

[JacksonVirgo]

I just had a thought about Solon.

He claims to be a weak ONE SHOT friendly neighbor. So why did he feel any pressure to avoid choosing someone who was scum, which would cause him to die, when he could have just not chosen anyone?

Even if he wasn't one-shot, he's still not required to use his role at night. But the fact that he IS one-shot, then I really wonder, why is he feeling like he has to burn it so early? He sounded like he really didn't have a good sense of how he should use it, but if that were true, I would think he'd think "I will just save it for another night, then." He makes it sound like he needed to pick somebody when he never needed to.

The fact that he screwed up the name of his role is just icing on the cake.

I'm telling you something just doesn't add up here so I'm putting my vote back.

VOTE: Solon

I would like to add that nobody that receives a 1-shot FN will holster just because of the fear
of hitting a wolf. And with this power, chances are they use it ASAP. This entire post feels like it’s incredibly unfair towards solon and not pushing what actually should be pushed.

[JacksonVirgo]

Kay - I have explained my position on you above.
The reason why I townread Jackson from VC is that I think that he committed his vote to NM - something he would not have done as scum, since he would have reserved possibility to vote me or another town if there is opportunity.

If I’m scum, how do you explain me not even trying to put Drew at E-1 and see if anyone bites? Why immediately go to hammer scum if it’s my partner? Make that make sense. I have no loyalty to Drew if NM and I are scum together, why wouldn’t I try to get a mislim? What do I gain from going straight to hammer instead of seeing in anyone would hammer Drew since he was getting enough heat? You are trying to force me into a scum role that makes no sense with what happened. I suggest you spend the next few days looking into someone else because I am a waste of your time. It should be clear by now that I am town.

Ok now Kay is making lots of sense as well.

In my head leaves Solon, Snow, Jackson, Fancy.....and in that order from most to least likely scum

You still think there’s a chance I’m a wolf?

[JacksonVirgo]

I would like to add that nobody that receives a 1-shot FN will holster just because of the fear
of hitting a wolf. And with this power, chances are they use it ASAP. This entire post feels like it’s incredibly unfair towards solon and not pushing what actually should be pushed.

I don't see why. Why would someone be in a rush to use an ability they only have one of?

I don’t have time to respond to the bigger posts yet, or give a super detailed explanation but if you trust me as a slot then trust me that people rarely holster a charge like this, let alone a FN. It’s a limited resource sure, but that doesn’t matter at all. Firstly it’s optimal to not holster for risk of getting night killed or pushed the following day to use the “Im a FN let me live one more night“ which never goes well for them. People are mostly also driven by impulse and even if they aren’t there is no benefit to waiting to use the charge. Most roles do not necessarily benefit from holstering, it induces more and more risk as time goes on. It’s not strange at all that it was used N1, at all. You should be looking at things that may actually hold water like why they chose who they did, or check back on D1 to see if their play lines up with their claim. Both of which I will personally be looking into once I have the time

[JacksonVirgo]

Be back soon

[JacksonVirgo]

No longer want Snow, I dont think people are feeling Fancy rn

Are you still feeling Fancy? And I mean that in the literal sense, not in the "maybe I'll wear a suit" sense, just to be clear.

I’m not, I think he looks the best regarding VCA

I actually don't follow why you think an analysis of votes is so favorable for FancyPants. He voted for Random Nurse, IE before he was even replaced by Snow, and didn't cast another vote after that. Why does a dearth of votes look favorable, especially so favorable to change your read on him?

He had his vote parked almost the entire time NM was under any form of heat. He didn’t move it, he didn’t commit to a bus and he didn’t actively try to protect NM. There’s no agenda behind his votes.

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t think I need to explain further but if I do, let me know

[JacksonVirgo]

@Jackson

Shouldn't you also give more consideration to how rushed Solon was in this moment? He's talking about being on the bus, having little opportunity to really evaluate things properly. Everything he said also suggests he really didn't have a strong sense of who he wanted to use this ability on. To me that suggests that the rational decision for him would have been to leave it alone for the night. I think you're giving him some credit he doesn't deserve.

I mean can you think of a worse way for him to use this ability, to use it on someone who already had him as a "lock town"?

I know you shifted off of this somewhat but without trying to beat a dead horse, I still think you’re looking at it in a bad light. I don’t see the issue with targeting someone who town-reads you, the information typically does not stay just with the person targeted and it gets spread to every player eventually. It’s a trust-based innocent child.

[JacksonVirgo]

No longer want Snow, I dont think people are feeling Fancy rn

Are you still feeling Fancy? And I mean that in the literal sense, not in the "maybe I'll wear a suit" sense, just to be clear.

I’m not, I think he looks the best regarding VCA

I actually don't follow why you think an analysis of votes is so favorable for FancyPants. He voted for Random Nurse, IE before he was even replaced by Snow, and didn't cast another vote after that. Why does a dearth of votes look favorable, especially so favorable to change your read on him?

He had his vote parked almost the entire time NM was under any form of heat. He didn’t move it, he didn’t commit to a bus and he didn’t actively try to protect NM. There’s no agenda behind his votes.

Did he need to actively do something to protect NM when his vote was on someone else? If anything, he jumped on a vote where originally he was 3rd on the bus. He didn’t remove his vote once Snow replaced in to give him the benefit of catching up like everyone else did. What if he was just waiting for either others to jump on Snow or for Drew to be E-1 to hammer him and save NM but never got the chance because I hammered NM instead? I think you’re giving him too much credit for doing nothing. Which I find funny since part of his reasoning for sussing me was that I wasn’t voting, when in fact I was. Wouldn’t he have to be sus for that too if it were a thing?

Unless he is a wolf that didn’t care an ounce about the outcome and just let whatever happens happen, they’re Town. If he wanted to keep them alive, he would have found a reason to pivot his vote onto another player as it was clear Snow was no longer happening. If he wanted to keep NM alive, he would have been more dynamic with his votes and if he wanted to bus NM he would have jumped on wagon to try and taste some of that sweet sweet credibility.

[JacksonVirgo]

He wasn’t in a spot where he could realistically stand aside and let things happen

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Snow

The informer must be dealt with(please someone get that reference)

I really trust Malachai, and this just makes sense

A licky boom boom down

[JacksonVirgo]

I hope I got that lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

He had his vote parked almost the entire time NM was under any form of heat. He didn’t move it, he didn’t commit to a bus and he didn’t actively try to protect NM. There’s no agenda behind his votes.

Then he should look neutral at best. You said that he looks the BEST based on the vote analysis, and I definitely don't agree with that. If you're focusing on vote analysis in particular, I would think the ones who come off the BEST would be whoever proactively started on Not Mafia.

If you look at FancyPants' language around Not Mafia, he just leaves him as null and says "we can do better". In retrospect, that really doesn't look good.

He does look the best, anyone else shows some chance of a scum based agenda whether that be a bus or trying to keep him alive. He was not only mafia but also a PR so my point is made stronger that scum wouldn’t sit idle and do nothing. Scum can park on their partner for late game cred whether that be earlier in the wagons lifespan or later, that doesn’t matter to me nearly as much to this.

[JacksonVirgo]

Keeping him as null isn’t VCA, that’s normal analysis and should be argued separately

[JacksonVirgo]

If you’re not able to seperate these things, then I can understand why you fail to see this.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you’re not able to seperate these things, then I can understand why you fail to see this.

"You fail to" is not helpful language. Keep the focus on the argument.

If people can look both good and bad when they vote for scum, how is an analysis of vote count even useful at that point? It's like the saying goes: when everything is important, nothing is important. Scum absolutely do vote for non-scum all the time; there's no one true way in which people play scum.

And the point about what he said about having NM null is naturally a point of its own merit so there's not even a reason to say what you said above.

You’re taking one part of what I said, blowing it up and then basing it all on that. They look the best because they look the best. It’s less cut and dry on the wagon and requires either more skill in VCA or more reliance on particular assumptions I don’t consider myself confident enough in to consider. The comparison I made with “looks the best” was one make with a loose tongue and is entirely based on my own analysis.

VCA is important. It’s to analyse how people react over time, see if votes appear to be coming from somebody informed or not. Someone not doing squat when they need to be if they were scum, is a strong sign. You’re oversimplifying this entire thing to a harmful degree, yes scum vote for non-scum all the time. Its the way of the game but that isn’t what this is. It’s deeper. There’s no agenda here. None. There’s nothing beyond their own singular motivations. There’s no drive to actively swing one way or another against a scum PR. Arguably the sole PR considering what it is.

Because of that, I’m confident their votes come from an uninformed perspective, Town. The assumptions required to bring them down are either too loose and mean next to nothing or there’s too many assumptions that are needed to come to conclusion it comes from a scum perspective.

[JacksonVirgo]

TL;DR looking behind the motivation they would have had as town or as scum. This feels exponentially more likely to come from a Town perspective.

[JacksonVirgo]

Throwing away logic that you don’t inherently agree with your philosophical razor of “there’s no one true way in which people play scum” is just naive. You can cut off nearly anything you want with that.

[JacksonVirgo]

TL;DR looking behind the motivation they would have had as town or as scum. This feels exponentially more likely to come from a Town perspective.

So what about if I looked into his history and in a scum game (one of only two I found in his last 5 years of mafia games), he told his partners he’d never bus or vote for them?

Did you find that he said this? It’s not as simple as whether or not a person is more inclined to bus or not but the fact he did nothing about it. Didn’t react one way or the other.

If you’re a wolf and your PR is being pushed. Do you do absolutely nothing? Let the game run it’s course almost completely untouched by your hands?

My assumption here is that scum would, even to a small degree, push the world that they want. What would scum!fancy want here by doing nothing and letting whatever wagon form, knowing his PR was constantly at the top.

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m open to being convinced, hence me showing what I believe my root assumption is. This post is mostly to Malachai who I hope doesn’t think I’m being a brick wall here

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure, I’ll humour that. Assuming Fancy won’t bus in every game they play. They say this because they believe it’s a bad play. Why?

Because it doesn’t benefit the wolves until it really needs to happen. Would sitting by and letting them be voted out be exactly what he considers a bad play? It’s the exact same thing except this is due to lack of action in this circumstance.

If he truly believed in that playstyle, and is sticking to it even now. He would be doing the opposite and finding a wagon to protect NM of which he did not do. He sat on a vanity wagon throughout majority of the lifespan of the NM wagon

[JacksonVirgo]

I refuse to believe someone that is so adamant about not bussing would let lady luck take the wheel to protect their PR

[JacksonVirgo]

Dude, you literally said the entire scale. That’s the words you chose. If you didn’t mean them, don’t use those words

[JacksonVirgo]

I should take a break until night and can be hammered in between. So, this is my will (it's not binding of course).
Jackson - Solon - Fancy are the towniest players on my scale. I see skepticism about Fancy and Solon. So, I would stick to town!Jackson and follow his position if in doubt. If he decides to lim me, OK. This makes sense from town standpoint, I am at handicap due to RN play and will be suspicious forever, so this may clear the picture and help town focus on real targets. I want town to then look at Malachai - Kay - Drew in that order. If Jackson sees Kay as locked town, I do not mind. She should not be pressed without reason, I don't think she would be able to hold her ground against a large-scale attack. Drew still requires scrutiny.

Why do you think I’m Town?

[JacksonVirgo]

At any rate, it really doesn't matter if Jackson convinces anyone to waste an elimination on me after we knock out snow (which we should... For sure I think there's a good chance we hammer snow here and it's just gg). But in the event that it is not gg, Jackson will want me next, and if he gets his way, we do still get 2 mis-eliminations anyway, and seeing me flip town will force him to finally consider the rest. He seems pretty locked in on Drew, Solon, and Kay being town, so naturally I would think that if he were a last town standing and FancyPants were there, he'd know what to do.

So whatever. I think we're fine even if you want to waste more effort convincing me it's not FancyPants.

What are you trying to convince me of anyway, Jackson? Obviously I know that if it's not snow, it isn't me. "Malachai, I just don't think that Drew, Kay, Solon, OR FancyPants are guilty, so please won't you consider my next suspect, Malachai?" lol. If you really think the suspect is me, maybe you ought to spend your time arguing why you think I'm guilty, instead of trying to view others through a lens in which they aren't.

Why are you so antagonist towards me anyway? I don’t believe I’ve ever stepped on your toes. I’m playing the way I’m playing for a reason

[JacksonVirgo]

You argue against me, I try and level with you and then you make a post essentially shitting on me.

[JacksonVirgo]

There’s more to reading a person than just throwing arguments around like it’s hot potato.

[JacksonVirgo]

You argue against me, I try and level with you and then you make a post essentially shitting on me.

How is it "shitting on YOU" to argue that your reads on FancyPants and myself are wrong? Why are you taking this personally instead of understanding that I think your views are just incorrect?

I didn’t mean for it to come across the way it did. You can play how you wish, you can think I’m wrong that’s part of the game.

I wanted to discuss this with you, I did what I usually would not do and level myself and put my reads out to be actively scrutinised. Instead of working out our opposing thoughts you seem to be just throwing me in a box, essentially ignoring my input?

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m not interested in engaging with you further.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Snow

Yeah that one isn’t happening

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

Waiting on your catch up I don’t want hammer in your hands

[JacksonVirgo]

Rolands entire slot has been dejavu since the first replacement

[JacksonVirgo]

jackson obvtown

Elaborate please

[JacksonVirgo]

It would be pretty hilarious if it were both the no posters d1 and town was just up in each others shit

VOTE: Snow

[JacksonVirgo]

It really was just that

[JacksonVirgo]

My second run over of VCA had me thinking it was Snow, I really had nothing else but pushed outside but couldn’t think of shit. Hence me stopping the convo with Malachai when he wanted to talk about why I SR him lmfao. Wacky game

[JacksonVirgo]

This game is yet another reminder that my early game gut is way too good to be ignored.

You’re too good, must be ignored anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh wtf, Malachai was Roland??

Ain't that some bullshit, now I am bit more upset about a few things

I did initially think so but that thought changed, shocked a little to see it was right