Micro Normal 1102: ootmgoat [game over!]

[May]

I give you shit even when I think you're probably town I think

[May]

Sry you chose to start our relationship with a tree shaped scar I find my own way to heal

[Dannflor]

yes i think that's true

[Dannflor]

i wish i could put kittens in the vote count

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll have time to do a proper catchup tomorrow, sorry that I haven’t been able to scrape anything before then I’ve been swamped

[Duelist Kage]

Am I the only one in the game who doesn't know kage

In the sense that you're the only one here (now) who hasn't played with me, yes. Unless you have and I can't tell because it was on another account.

I'm confused and Klick apparently doesn't want to talk to me because he thinks I'm scum, so that doesn't help me figure anything out.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler:

okay I've reread the game, here's where I'm at.

I think Dragon was playing to pocket certain slots like me / Gimli more than he was actually trying to sort either of us early game. I think his play very much matches up with his play in Fruit Mafia

I think the way he interacted with both Gimli and May probably spews both of those slots town

I think the way Dragon reacted to being pushed comes from scum a significant amount of the time

I will try to be clear and concise: when dragon reacted emotionally to being pushed by Gimli and May, his reaction was more focused on being treated "unfairly" and being pushed for the wrong reasons rather than:

1. trying to use the push to sort Gimli or May
   
2. a natural townie reaction to having his town reads not trust him or feeling like he was in danger of being miselimmed

dragon was not in danger of being limmed and that's not what his reactions were focused on, his reactions were not focused on either gimli or may's alignment, it was feeling like the reasons for pushing him were bad and unfair

These things are empirically more likely to come from mafia than town

Literally nothing in this case makes me mafia.

in a recent game of mine, ^^^^^ this was the reaction scum gave when I cased them. further emphasis from DarthPunk was on how bad the case was and requests to actually point out what was *actually scummy* about his posts, much like DE did when Gimli called his posting bad

I can’t do anything about you thinking I’m being “performative”, that’s just how I express myself. And it seems a big unfair to assume I’m not focused on solving things, I’ve been giving this game a lot of my attention. Some things I felt more strongly about and that’s where my attention went. If things I wasn’t giving as much thought to begin to gain steam, I’m just being honest when I say I need to take a better look.

You seem to be jumping on everything I do trying to find a reason to sus me. Yeah, that’s the game, I get it, sus everyone but honestly, it’s getting a bit exhausting. I don’t even have a scum read on you, if anything, being cautious about me is normal as it would be for anyone. I didn’t think anything of it at first. I still think you’re probably more likely town but whatever problem you seem to have with me might get in the way of us working together.

in a recent game of mine, when I pushed KayJayQueue for being performative, she focused on how unfair it was to push her for that because that's just how she types and she isn't even scum reading me so why am I pushing her? this is the same thing DE was doing when he complained about how tired he was of people calling his posts bad and asking people why his posts were even *actually* bad

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to be clear, I think DE's tone was extremely towny. KJQ's tone when I pushed her in the game I quoted was extremely towny too. it's a specific type of AtE that I am weak to, I think lots of people are weak to it. but, if you put aside the emotion of it and look at the content of what DE is focusing on, it's stuff that scum focuses on over town a much greater percentage of the time

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JacksonVirgo - this is not a super confident read given KJQ has fooled me with AtE before, but i believe KJQ's frustration with Gimli was extremely town indicative. I think it only really makes sense from scum if Gimli/KJQ is the team which I find unlikely

Klick - i think he probably wants to catch me. I don't think he's ever scum with DE. I think gimli did not need to shift to town reading me when he did if he was scum. i think gimli, if scum, would not have tunneled on duelist so hard because it's just bad optics regardless of duelist's alignment

Black - i think her interactions with dragon are partnery but i think her reaction to me pushing her is probably town!black. i think everytime I've pushed her and she's been scum she's been much more conflict averse or defaulted to town reading me.

Doctor Drew - I think drew's been way more focused on the social aspects of the game than I'm used to seeing from him. i am genuinely shocked he is town reading me and i kind of doubt that doesn't come from an informed perspective

Hu Tao - hu taown

Duelist Kage - could be scum. idk. probably even more likely scum than black. after further review i think she makes some sense as a dragon partner. i just don't think it's optimal to flip her today and i can explain that tomorrow.

Cat Scratch Fever - i still think probably town, i don't think the annoyance at the deepwolf theories read like scum annoyance. i think them going from "dann is extremely towny" to "it's dann/kage" as that becomes the popular read is the type of opportunistic fluidity that only comes from town or extremely experienced scum

May - kind of need her to be town for my sanity. i think she's never scum with DE. generally, i don't think she came into the game trying to make any friends and generally has not tried to town spew herself which I think is a primary goal of her scum game. willing to town bin and reassess later if needed.

I feel like the last paragraph of 203 and 215 were sorting Gimli though. It wasn't just a "you're scumreading me for unfair reasons" but a "you're scumreading for unfair reasons in a way that makes you scum", which I think is quite different

[Datisi]

vote count 1.11

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-27 13:00:00).

yeet

Dannflor [2]:

Klick, Black

Duelist Kage [1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

May [1]:

JacksonVirgo

Klick [1]:

Hu Tao

Doctor Drew [1]:

Dannflor

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Duelist Kage

not voting [2]:

Doctor Drew, May

mod notes

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[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler:

okay I've reread the game, here's where I'm at.

I think Dragon was playing to pocket certain slots like me / Gimli more than he was actually trying to sort either of us early game. I think his play very much matches up with his play in Fruit Mafia

I think the way he interacted with both Gimli and May probably spews both of those slots town

I think the way Dragon reacted to being pushed comes from scum a significant amount of the time

I will try to be clear and concise: when dragon reacted emotionally to being pushed by Gimli and May, his reaction was more focused on being treated "unfairly" and being pushed for the wrong reasons rather than:

1. trying to use the push to sort Gimli or May
   
2. a natural townie reaction to having his town reads not trust him or feeling like he was in danger of being miselimmed

dragon was not in danger of being limmed and that's not what his reactions were focused on, his reactions were not focused on either gimli or may's alignment, it was feeling like the reasons for pushing him were bad and unfair

These things are empirically more likely to come from mafia than town

Literally nothing in this case makes me mafia.

in a recent game of mine, ^^^^^ this was the reaction scum gave when I cased them. further emphasis from DarthPunk was on how bad the case was and requests to actually point out what was *actually scummy* about his posts, much like DE did when Gimli called his posting bad

I can’t do anything about you thinking I’m being “performative”, that’s just how I express myself. And it seems a big unfair to assume I’m not focused on solving things, I’ve been giving this game a lot of my attention. Some things I felt more strongly about and that’s where my attention went. If things I wasn’t giving as much thought to begin to gain steam, I’m just being honest when I say I need to take a better look.

You seem to be jumping on everything I do trying to find a reason to sus me. Yeah, that’s the game, I get it, sus everyone but honestly, it’s getting a bit exhausting. I don’t even have a scum read on you, if anything, being cautious about me is normal as it would be for anyone. I didn’t think anything of it at first. I still think you’re probably more likely town but whatever problem you seem to have with me might get in the way of us working together.

in a recent game of mine, when I pushed KayJayQueue for being performative, she focused on how unfair it was to push her for that because that's just how she types and she isn't even scum reading me so why am I pushing her? this is the same thing DE was doing when he complained about how tired he was of people calling his posts bad and asking people why his posts were even *actually* bad

---

to be clear, I think DE's tone was extremely towny. KJQ's tone when I pushed her in the game I quoted was extremely towny too. it's a specific type of AtE that I am weak to, I think lots of people are weak to it. but, if you put aside the emotion of it and look at the content of what DE is focusing on, it's stuff that scum focuses on over town a much greater percentage of the time

---

JacksonVirgo - this is not a super confident read given KJQ has fooled me with AtE before, but i believe KJQ's frustration with Gimli was extremely town indicative. I think it only really makes sense from scum if Gimli/KJQ is the team which I find unlikely

Klick - i think he probably wants to catch me. I don't think he's ever scum with DE. I think gimli did not need to shift to town reading me when he did if he was scum. i think gimli, if scum, would not have tunneled on duelist so hard because it's just bad optics regardless of duelist's alignment

Black - i think her interactions with dragon are partnery but i think her reaction to me pushing her is probably town!black. i think everytime I've pushed her and she's been scum she's been much more conflict averse or defaulted to town reading me.

Doctor Drew - I think drew's been way more focused on the social aspects of the game than I'm used to seeing from him. i am genuinely shocked he is town reading me and i kind of doubt that doesn't come from an informed perspective

Hu Tao - hu taown

Duelist Kage - could be scum. idk. probably even more likely scum than black. after further review i think she makes some sense as a dragon partner. i just don't think it's optimal to flip her today and i can explain that tomorrow.

Cat Scratch Fever - i still think probably town, i don't think the annoyance at the deepwolf theories read like scum annoyance. i think them going from "dann is extremely towny" to "it's dann/kage" as that becomes the popular read is the type of opportunistic fluidity that only comes from town or extremely experienced scum

May - kind of need her to be town for my sanity. i think she's never scum with DE. generally, i don't think she came into the game trying to make any friends and generally has not tried to town spew herself which I think is a primary goal of her scum game. willing to town bin and reassess later if needed.

I feel like the last paragraph of 203 and 215 were sorting Gimli though. It wasn't just a "you're scumreading me for unfair reasons" but a "you're scumreading for unfair reasons in a way that makes you scum", which I think is quite different

Quite different in the sense that DE wasn't just handwaving the case away to say those are bs reasons and you're bad and should feel bad

but DE was saying almost the opposite - that Gimli isn't actually that bad, so the bs reasons make Gimli scummy.

It's like how most people can more easily tell if someone is pushing them in good faith or not because they know their alignment

[Dannflor]

i think the last paragraph of 203 is overly focused on a perceived inconsistency in gimli's posting

[Dannflor]

Ehat exactly is bad about my posts? Townreading Black? Townreading CSF? Not immediately locktowning you because you locktowned me? Bullshit.

and this string of questions in particular ending with "bullshit" i believe is scum indicative

[Cat Scratch Fever]

if i was partners with duelist im pretty sure i would've just killed her and played the game solo by now

okay but then help me lim her because I still think she is scum

[Doctor Drew]

Ehat exactly is bad about my posts? Townreading Black? Townreading CSF? Not immediately locktowning you because you locktowned me? Bullshit.

and this string of questions in particular ending with "bullshit" i believe is scum indicative

There is something frustrating constantly reading you calling DE's posts and choice of wording 'scum indictive' when I know that isn't the case, yet I can't really do anything to convince Dann on this since all I can say is that his frustrations are clearly genuine.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i think the last paragraph of 203 is overly focused on a perceived inconsistency in gimli's posting

Ehat exactly is bad about my posts? Townreading Black? Townreading CSF? Not immediately locktowning you because you locktowned me? Bullshit.

and this string of questions in particular ending with "bullshit" i believe is scum indicative

I mean I guess it is focused on an inconsistency? But when you mindmeld a good deal with a player, it is natural to townread them as well so it makes sense

[May]

Am I the only one in the game who doesn't know kage

In the sense that you're the only one here (now) who hasn't played with me, yes. Unless you have and I can't tell because it was on another account.

I'm confused and Klick apparently doesn't want to talk to me because he thinks I'm scum, so that doesn't help me figure anything out.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

I wasn't playing enough mafia this past year. Never apply to be site staff

[May]

Spoiler:

okay I've reread the game, here's where I'm at.

I think Dragon was playing to pocket certain slots like me / Gimli more than he was actually trying to sort either of us early game. I think his play very much matches up with his play in Fruit Mafia

I think the way he interacted with both Gimli and May probably spews both of those slots town

I think the way Dragon reacted to being pushed comes from scum a significant amount of the time

I will try to be clear and concise: when dragon reacted emotionally to being pushed by Gimli and May, his reaction was more focused on being treated "unfairly" and being pushed for the wrong reasons rather than:

1. trying to use the push to sort Gimli or May
   
2. a natural townie reaction to having his town reads not trust him or feeling like he was in danger of being miselimmed

dragon was not in danger of being limmed and that's not what his reactions were focused on, his reactions were not focused on either gimli or may's alignment, it was feeling like the reasons for pushing him were bad and unfair

These things are empirically more likely to come from mafia than town

Literally nothing in this case makes me mafia.

in a recent game of mine, ^^^^^ this was the reaction scum gave when I cased them. further emphasis from DarthPunk was on how bad the case was and requests to actually point out what was *actually scummy* about his posts, much like DE did when Gimli called his posting bad

I can’t do anything about you thinking I’m being “performative”, that’s just how I express myself. And it seems a big unfair to assume I’m not focused on solving things, I’ve been giving this game a lot of my attention. Some things I felt more strongly about and that’s where my attention went. If things I wasn’t giving as much thought to begin to gain steam, I’m just being honest when I say I need to take a better look.

You seem to be jumping on everything I do trying to find a reason to sus me. Yeah, that’s the game, I get it, sus everyone but honestly, it’s getting a bit exhausting. I don’t even have a scum read on you, if anything, being cautious about me is normal as it would be for anyone. I didn’t think anything of it at first. I still think you’re probably more likely town but whatever problem you seem to have with me might get in the way of us working together.

in a recent game of mine, when I pushed KayJayQueue for being performative, she focused on how unfair it was to push her for that because that's just how she types and she isn't even scum reading me so why am I pushing her? this is the same thing DE was doing when he complained about how tired he was of people calling his posts bad and asking people why his posts were even *actually* bad

---

to be clear, I think DE's tone was extremely towny. KJQ's tone when I pushed her in the game I quoted was extremely towny too. it's a specific type of AtE that I am weak to, I think lots of people are weak to it. but, if you put aside the emotion of it and look at the content of what DE is focusing on, it's stuff that scum focuses on over town a much greater percentage of the time

---

JacksonVirgo - this is not a super confident read given KJQ has fooled me with AtE before, but i believe KJQ's frustration with Gimli was extremely town indicative. I think it only really makes sense from scum if Gimli/KJQ is the team which I find unlikely

Klick - i think he probably wants to catch me. I don't think he's ever scum with DE. I think gimli did not need to shift to town reading me when he did if he was scum. i think gimli, if scum, would not have tunneled on duelist so hard because it's just bad optics regardless of duelist's alignment

Black - i think her interactions with dragon are partnery but i think her reaction to me pushing her is probably town!black. i think everytime I've pushed her and she's been scum she's been much more conflict averse or defaulted to town reading me.

Doctor Drew - I think drew's been way more focused on the social aspects of the game than I'm used to seeing from him. i am genuinely shocked he is town reading me and i kind of doubt that doesn't come from an informed perspective

Hu Tao - hu taown

Duelist Kage - could be scum. idk. probably even more likely scum than black. after further review i think she makes some sense as a dragon partner. i just don't think it's optimal to flip her today and i can explain that tomorrow.

Cat Scratch Fever - i still think probably town, i don't think the annoyance at the deepwolf theories read like scum annoyance. i think them going from "dann is extremely towny" to "it's dann/kage" as that becomes the popular read is the type of opportunistic fluidity that only comes from town or extremely experienced scum

May - kind of need her to be town for my sanity. i think she's never scum with DE. generally, i don't think she came into the game trying to make any friends and generally has not tried to town spew herself which I think is a primary goal of her scum game. willing to town bin and reassess later if needed.

I feel like the last paragraph of 203 and 215 were sorting Gimli though. It wasn't just a "you're scumreading me for unfair reasons" but a "you're scumreading for unfair reasons in a way that makes you scum", which I think is quite different

Quite different in the sense that DE wasn't just handwaving the case away to say those are bs reasons and you're bad and should feel bad

but DE was saying almost the opposite - that Gimli isn't actually that bad, so the bs reasons make Gimli scummy.

It's like how most people can more easily tell if someone is pushing them in good faith or not because they know their alignment

I didn't feel de earnestly scum reading gimli

Circling back to the concept: certain types of frustration can't be applicable to mafia

[Dannflor]

look, i have a PT with duelist and some stuff happened in there that made me not want to lim her today

I think it's possible she's scum but I'm much more interested in finding a potential partner today if that's the case

and if you think duelist is scum, I honestly think drew/dragon is a good candidate with how dragon kept soft pushing duelist and duelist basically locked dragon as town despite focusing an overwhelming amount of her posting on the issues she had with dragon

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I mean I guess I can read Fruit Mafia and metadive DragonEater. It'll have to wait though because that's like the last thing I want to be doing in my remaining 9 minutes of lunch break

and this was supposed to be a lazy game of mine @_@

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I didn't feel de earnestly scum reading gimli

Because he wasn't talking to gimli like gimli was scum? Ehhhhh I feel like I do that for weak scumreads though

[May]

Are you rly claiming at E-4 as town Dannflor

[Cat Scratch Fever]

look, i have a PT with duelist and some stuff happened in there that made me not want to lim her today

I think it's possible she's scum but I'm much more interested in finding a potential partner today if that's the case

and if you think duelist is scum, I honestly think drew/dragon is a good candidate with how dragon kept soft pushing duelist and duelist basically locked dragon as town despite focusing an overwhelming amount of her posting on the issues she had with dragon

Spoiler:

...scum PT?

(sorry I couldn't resist)

I lowkey think Kage had this townread on Drew conditional on Gimli/Klick scum, so if/when Klick flips town, she can just retract that Drew townread. I feel like a partner would've found a more concrete reason for a buddy townread?

[Dannflor]

Are you rly claiming at E-4 as town Dannflor

im not full claiming

[May]

I didn't draft 98 in the otp because I don't believe in minmaxing I did it because that setup is dumb and something_smart is a copper sniffer

I am mad unless you are scum with Kage planning to double power wolf 3 phases

[May]

You are claiming like any stuff

[May]

Dannflor I'm gonna make you do pushups for this you think I can't make someone do pushups in a mafia game but it's possible