Open 906: AAAAAAHHHH I Ran out of Game Names!!! [Game Over]

[fireisredsir]

for instance, let's say he's partnered with me or halfasleep or thom as proposed. the three of us are experiencing very little pressure, and whoever he's with, together we can help shape and control the game

replacing in and setting himself up to antagonize the t/t jackson/kay social duo is a horrible idea. it locks in their scumreads on him and suddenly he's fighting a huge uphill battle when he literally could have just not done that

he can just buddy up to them and appease and immediately have 40% of the game on his side, while having tons of room to direct things towards miselims on purple, ming, or jake, which should be very easy to accomplish especially with a well-positioned partner helping him out

there's only 9 players in this game and every relationship that you establish is incredibly valuable as scum. burning bridges and continually prodding in new directions and potentially upsetting new people because you can't settle on one direction to push is just very counterproductive to scum win condition. but it does match up fairly well with what town would look like trying to solve

[fireisredsir]

jackson i know you think that i am trying to maintain the division in town which is kind of fair bc i was annoyed at the game and didn't really do much to try to heal it

but i am fairly confident in gimli town, and i know that mathematically there has to be at least 1 town in kay/jackson/jake, and gamestate read i think there's probably two

if that town can find gimli as town then suddenly this game becomes much more playable and solvable. so currently that is my goal

i do additionally believe there is probably 1 scum in that group of 3 but i don't particularly care about them right now, id rather try to talk to whoever is town there and hopefully they're open to listening

[KayJayQueue]

He was originally townreading me when he replaced in but shifted when he realized my scumread didn’t disappear. It felt like he was trying to get townread, realized it wouldn’t work and changed to scumreading me to try to get who he could on his side. Maybe it’s “counterproductive” to keep changing reads but it doesn’t mean it’s not AI, and by that, I don’t mean town.

[Purplemango]

I’d rather die than jake/kay.

Why?
According to your claim, you are a town, assuming they are also a town, What is the difference? Especially since you should be completely sure what your role is, and less about theirs
Or is it like metaphorical Thing

[fireisredsir]

He was originally townreading me when he replaced in but shifted when he realized my scumread didn’t disappear. It felt like he was trying to get townread, realized it wouldn’t work and changed to scumreading me to try to get who he could on his side. Maybe it’s “counterproductive” to keep changing reads but it doesn’t mean it’s not AI, and by that, I don’t mean town.

he started prodding at you in his 8th post which was less than an hour after his first content post

that would be a pretty quick shift based on that narrative i think

[JacksonVirgo]

jackson i know you think that i am trying to maintain the division in town which is kind of fair bc i was annoyed at the game and didn't really do much to try to heal it

but i am fairly confident in gimli town, and i know that mathematically there has to be at least 1 town in kay/jackson/jake, and gamestate read i think there's probably two

if that town can find gimli as town then suddenly this game becomes much more playable and solvable. so currently that is my goal

i do additionally believe there is probably 1 scum in that group of 3 but i don't particularly care about them right now, id rather try to talk to whoever is town there and hopefully they're open to listening

I am open to listening, I’m not interested in following logic based on PoE or arguments against myself obviously. It’s going to be difficult to convince me against kay/jake and now halfasleep so if you want my brain. Look outside of that for today. If you don’t want gimli, there’s a second wolf we can look for them together.

I do agree with halfasleeps conclusion, I am fairly okay with labelling you town for now. I saw one possible avenue for you being scum, I wanted to shift the town to a more productive place so
I started pushing that but got convinced against it pretty quickly lol which I expected

[JacksonVirgo]

I’d rather die than jake/kay.

Why?
According to your claim, you are a town, assuming they are also a town, What is the difference? Especially since you should be completely sure what your role is, and less about theirs
Or is it like metaphorical Thing

Hyperbole to make a point

[fireisredsir]

- if i've learned anything in this game so far it's that i may be even more annoying than i thought i was -

fwiw i think your posting has been very measured and reasonable and pleasant and not annoying at all, if you are indeed new then welcome and i hope to see you around in more games

this is a pocket attempt

[JacksonVirgo]

- if i've learned anything in this game so far it's that i may be even more annoying than i thought i was -

fwiw i think your posting has been very measured and reasonable and pleasant and not annoying at all, if you are indeed new then welcome and i hope to see you around in more games

this is a pocket attempt

Seconded, I needed a voice like yours and you humouring my idea like you did and ISOing fire was hugely appreciated. I respect it a lot, thank you

[JacksonVirgo]

Also a pocket attempt

[fireisredsir]

i was just going to joke that you were scum because you seconded the pocket attempt and you beat me to it

foiled again. we'll get em next time

[JacksonVirgo]

i was just going to joke that you were scum because you seconded the pocket attempt and you beat me to it

foiled again. we'll get em next time

Haha!
You can’t catch me!!

[DragonEater70]

VC 1.15

Votecount 1.15

Gimli (3):

KayJayQueue, JacksonVirgo, Jake The Wolfie

JacksonVirgo (2):

halfasleep, fireisredsir

awesomeming327 (1):

Gimli

Not Voting (3):

Purplemango, awesomeming327, Thomith

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in

(expired on 2024-03-26 01:07:06).

Mod Notes

None!

[Gimli]

There isn’t scum in Jake/Kay. You say there’s no scum in Gimli and obv yourself. I’m not a wolf. It for sure isn’t halfasleep now. Unless the scum is specifically in ming/purple/thom one of us is wrong. That pool Is almost entirely PoE aside from Thom.

we should flip ming

[Gimli]

the thing is that if gimli was scum he could have gotten largely townread and also flipped a town by now

so true bestie

[Gimli]

I'm the only one voting for a potential scum atm

[Gimli]

I hope DE is sitting in his mod PT, proud of his buddy

[Thomith]

I don’t like Gimlis approach to this game. To put it simply it all feels like he wants to push a particular conclusion and builds a case around that instead of what town should be doing which is the exact opposite.

When you say you don't like the appraoch to the game, are you saying that you think this is a scum!Gimli approach? Or is this a more geenral statement?

There isn’t scum in Jake/Kay. You say there’s no scum in Gimli and obv yourself. I’m not a wolf. It for sure isn’t halfasleep now. Unless the scum is specifically in ming/purple/thom one of us is wrong. That pool Is almost entirely PoE aside from Thom.

Why are you so sure there isn't a scum in Jake/Kay?

Rereading/comparing Purple/mings ISO now

[Thomith]

On a reread, I guess I see a difference.
Primarily, Purple tends to be asking questions of other people in an attempt to read people, which on a reread does look like he could genuinely be trying to solve.

ming makes "solving" statements like the below:

Hot take Purplemango scum

gamers do yall think jake voting purple is scum-motivated or not

The comment before the vote makes it seem like an excuse for jumping on a bus (that was only 2 votes at the time, so not even a bus)

Bad answer
VOTE: KayJayQueue

The correct answer is:
3rd vote scum theorem

oops
anyway jupiter is scum

stop ateing

But it takes him a while to actually elaborate on any of this, which on a reread makes me question this slot more, as these hard stances are rarely explained it feels like, making them easier to explain away later?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t like Gimlis approach to this game. To put it simply it all feels like he wants to push a particular conclusion and builds a case around that instead of what town should be doing which is the exact opposite.

When you say you don't like the appraoch to the game, are you saying that you think this is a scum!Gimli approach? Or is this a more geenral statement?

There isn’t scum in Jake/Kay. You say there’s no scum in Gimli and obv yourself. I’m not a wolf. It for sure isn’t halfasleep now. Unless the scum is specifically in ming/purple/thom one of us is wrong. That pool Is almost entirely PoE aside from Thom.

Why are you so sure there isn't a scum in Jake/Kay?

Rereading/comparing Purple/mings ISO now

Don’t like = I think it’s scummy.
I was planning on going in depth about Jake, I’ve explained Kay.

[halfasleep]

- if i've learned anything in this game so far it's that i may be even more annoying than i thought i was -

fwiw i think your posting has been very measured and reasonable and pleasant and not annoying at all, if you are indeed new then welcome and i hope to see you around in more games

this is a pocket attempt

Seconded, I needed a voice like yours and you humouring my idea like you did and ISOing fire was hugely appreciated. I respect it a lot, thank you

Also a pocket attempt

*frantically on the phone to my mum, trying to explain what mafiascum dot net is so i can tell her i'm finally popular*

[Gimli]

@halfasleep, for further context, 983 came right after gimli did a dive on purplemango and towncased him which i think was an incredibly unproductive move for scum!gimli to pull there, which is why i had that reaction to it

that was basically the point that pushed me over the edge into thinking he was very likely town, prior to that i was still slightly wary

983 also came after my posts defending purple and possible reasons for his iso vs ming when they were said to be similar.

Something I notice Gimli does is take other people’s ideas and rework them into his own posts to appear to be solving but it’s usually nothing overly original when you take into account the flow of the game whenever he makes posts you read as town

(and I believe he does that for that exact reason, to be town read)

this is absolutely false when it comes to this game btw

my townread on mango, the specific reasoning for the townread on jake, my pretty elaborate scumread on ming, the specific reasoning for the townread on thimoth slot, the evaluation on jacksonvirgo and the locktownread there - and those just from memory - are all blatantly things I brought up alone to the thread. if I'm ever adding anything from other people to my reasonings, it's because I'm solving, not building an invention. I would like to know, tho, the posts where it looks like I'm reworking other people's thoughts into my own to appear towny.

[Gimli]

also a lot of what I said about people, if it was said before by someone else, can just be a mindmeld and agreeing to things and looking at the game similarly.

[Gimli]

*frantically on the phone to my mum, trying to explain what mafiascum dot net is so i can tell her i'm finally popular*

*mom I'm popular with the mafia scum*

[Gimli]

I would like to point out that KJQ failed at showing anything resembling a coherent reasoning for scumreading me and then said something completely and blatantly false about my posts (which, even if true, wouldn't even be scummy, and can be said about everyone at any given time).