Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Sanae Kochiya]

Kaguya - honestly don't have enough thoughts on them, and this isn't a good place to be. Don't like that they're just vote parking on me and not, like, thinking about it any more critically.

What should I be thinking more critically about? I'm expecting to go into d3 with back to back scumflips and a strong POE, idk why you're expecting me to treat this game like it's harder than it actually is

Because I know you're wrong so from my POV it's not a good look

[Sanae Kochiya]

Kaguya - honestly don't have enough thoughts on them, and this isn't a good place to be. Don't like that they're just vote parking on me and not, like, thinking about it any more critically.

What should I be thinking more critically about? I'm expecting to go into d3 with back to back scumflips and a strong POE, idk why you're expecting me to treat this game like it's harder than it actually is

Because I know you're wrong so from my POV it's not a good look

Like you're just taking the easy route of 'something something mechanics something something scum'

Without really thinking any more about it
Which I think is sort of how scum would be positioning themselves here

[Sanae Kochiya]

I didn't get a message, it just didn't work.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Like I have no more information than - I tried to use the role. The effect didn't happen

So I don't think it's the same thing as whatever hit you

[Sanae Kochiya]

Kaguya - honestly don't have enough thoughts on them, and this isn't a good place to be. Don't like that they're just vote parking on me and not, like, thinking about it any more critically.

What should I be thinking more critically about? I'm expecting to go into d3 with back to back scumflips and a strong POE, idk why you're expecting me to treat this game like it's harder than it actually is

Because I know you're wrong so from my POV it's not a good look

Like you're just taking the easy route of 'something something mechanics something something scum'

Without really thinking any more about it
Which I think is sort of how scum would be positioning themselves here

Like Dai at least has - oh Eternity was trying to save her by voting Ichirin
And Marisa has a whole case on me

You're just, like, voting me without thinking about it, as you admit yourself. There's no nuance here, or anything vaguely reads based - it's an easy place for scum to stick their vote here given the general suspicion

Pedit - I didn't get any sort of message, I just played 20 questions with GIF until I got him to confirm it didn't work

[Sanae Kochiya]

Aya said their ability activated before Tenshi’s did. On account of being a fast birb, which fits the flavor.

The fruit I dunno.
I thought larvae had an ability when I looked when I guess the person that mentioned receiving a fruit would have read that already and know it’s not that one, or they didn’t read it or I’m not reading close enough etc etc.

What are you trying to say here?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Idk but something happened and my role didn't go through, and I'm not the reason for it

To my understanding both the "Active: kill yourself to skip MP" and "Spellcard: spend 3MP to IC and then treestump" are two different 1-shots. Are you saying you have 0 shots of both of these right now?

1. I already claimed I have 0 shots of anything now
2. I don't really know what you mean/your understanding of my role is wrong

I had the ability to use the philosopher's stone (costs 3MP), and picked the 'IC -> untouchable -> treestump' affect to activate

I do not have 3MP, but I'm able to use spellcards even if I do not have enough MP; it just kills me after the affect activates -> I think this is a passive ability but I have to double-check my rolecard

The effect didn't activate so I'm not dead

[Sanae Kochiya]

Like Dai at least has - oh Eternity was trying to save her by voting Ichirin
And Marisa has a whole case on me

You're just, like, voting me without thinking about it, as you admit yourself. There's no nuance here, or anything vaguely reads based - it's an easy place for scum to stick their vote here given the general suspicion

I mean I think you're lying about mechanics, there's no need for reads there because town has no reason to lie about it and what you're saying so far doesn't actually make mechanical sense

Ok, and I'm saying given that I know I'm not lying - I think that retreating into a mechanics based read is scummy

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yes
Philosopher's stone

Is a night/spellcard
Which I have access to from my main role (which is active/night), which describes how the magic/MP system works

[Sanae Kochiya]

So my understanding is that something blocked that active/night ability that powers my magic abilities/ability to use spellcards

[Sanae Kochiya]

She said she got it right at daystart

[Sanae Kochiya]

How do you know it's called that? Is that like a flavor thing from the game?

[Sanae Kochiya]

I don't think Tenshi globally roleblocked based on the fact that went through

[Sanae Kochiya]

Ok, and I'm saying given that I know I'm not lying - I think that retreating into a mechanics based read is scummy

I can accept that it's possible that you're misunderstanding/miscommunicating what your abilities actually do, I just think it's way more likely it comes from just lying about abilities.

Can you properly fullclaim magic supremacy?

Eh fair enuf

It describes that I have more spellcards than most people, and how the MP system works
I get 1 MP each day + start with one at the beginning kf the game
1 MP to activate the basic affect of the spellcard
2 MP lets me use two at once, or use the high-level version of the spellcard
3mp let's me use philosopher's stone, which had 3 affects, and I choose one (chose the IC -> untouchable -> treestump)

And ends with - I can use the spellcard without enough MP but I do after it activates

A few more things about MP are detailed in a passive ability, namely I can only activate two spellcards over the course of the game

[Sanae Kochiya]

EBWAP

I die after it activates

[Sanae Kochiya]

I don't know, as best as I can tell I have to use magic supremacy to activate a spellcard because I need to use MP

Honestly I'm not sure, that's thw way I'm reading it. I think magic supremacy basically explains

how

I can access spellcards (?), I think when I'm using a spellcard I'm functionally using magic supremacy.

So if I use a spellcard without enough MP (and it activates) I just die, regardless of if I explictly say I'm using that action

[Sanae Kochiya]

I don't think Tenshi globally roleblocked based on the fact that went through

I’m not lying about what happened to me tho.

So like.

I find it difficult to believe that there’s another role out there with multi block or multiple players that role blocked.

I think a towns person that specifically wanted you to live would’ve just claimed that they stopped you on purpose

Yes, that's my point

[Sanae Kochiya]

I'm confused why you got roleblocked though

[Sanae Kochiya]

Basically all I'm trying to say for after I flip - there's an unclaimed roleblock or something on me, probably from scum

That's all I'm trying to say about it

[Sanae Kochiya]

What exactly do you want me to ask

[Sanae Kochiya]

Ok

[Sanae Kochiya]

Fwiw this is all, like, somewhat non-obvious from my rolecard and I didn't even realize there's a difference between using a spellcard (which is apparently what me choosing to use a spellcard js) and activating a spellcard (which is when the spellcard fired)

My present understanding is that I used a spellcard
But it didn't activate

I do not know what caused it to not activate

But yeah, I'll ask. I'm not 100% clear on the relationship between magic supremacy and the spellcards

(I'm also not sure why you think I'm lying ahout all of this, or why you're asking me to ask the mod if you think I am anyways)

[Sanae Kochiya]

I picked a spellcard
Which is powered through magic supremacy

It did not activate
My understanding of what this means is that magic supremacy got roleblocked

I have asked the mod and will report back when I get answers

That's all I have to say about it now, and I think you should be forming reads on something other than mechanics though

[Sanae Kochiya]

No, I already played 20 questions, and the above was my understanding afterwards

(Like I've said already, a few times)
But I will ask the above exact questions

[Sanae Kochiya]

Idk but something happened and my role didn't go through, and I'm not the reason for it

To my understanding both the "Active: kill yourself to skip MP" and "Spellcard: spend 3MP to IC and then treestump" are two different 1-shots. Are you saying you have 0 shots of both of these right now?

To clarify becauss I think I missed this n

These aren't two separate abilities, they're both listed under magic supremacy, which describes how I accrue MP and how I can use those to use spellcards.

I don't think the first should be thought of as is a one-shot, but rather a description of something I can do - normally using a spellcard costs X MP, but if I want I actually can use spellcards without enough MP, it just has the unfortunate side affect of causing me to die once it activates

One of the spellcardd I have, philosopher's stone, costs 3MP. I do not have 3MP

I tried to use it anyways -> I was expecting to die once it activated because I do not have enough MP

It did not activate, and the effect did not fire, and I did not die -> something interfered with it working

Does that help

[Sanae Kochiya]

What happens if you try to use a spellcard without using magic supremacy? And if you can use a spellcard without magic supremacy what happens if you don't have enough MP?

Regular spellcards I can just use

The things that cost more than 1MP (high level version, two at once, philosopher's stone) I have access to via magic supremacy. If magic supremacy gets blocked for some reason, those things won't work

[Sanae Kochiya]

What's the difference / I don't know what you're asking

I feel like I keep saying the same thing.

I tried to use a spellcard that's enabled through magic supremacy. The magic supremacy ability was blocked/disabled/didn't work somehow, so even though I tried to use a spellcard, the spellcard didn't activate and none of the effects happened. If magic supremacy hadn't been prevented from working, my understanding is that the spellcard would have worked

Like what are you looking to get out of this

[Sanae Kochiya]

What does 'use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing' mean

[Sanae Kochiya]

This ^

[Sanae Kochiya]

I'll try to re-read tomorrow, Sanae you planning on flashwagoning someone today or are you just waiting to die

I'm voting Reisen, I am quite happy to lim them.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Slept all day.

Kaguya making sure I understand you here, you’re saying that you think their activation of different facets of their role don’t make sense if they were blocked?

It can make sense if either magic supremacy works slightly differently than what Sanae described or if she was specifically hit by something that only blocks spellcards and not actives, otherwise that's basically correct

I'm waiting for GIf to confirm something but I think I misunderstood something

[Sanae Kochiya]

I don't see us not killing Sanae for mech reasons on top of the scum points unless somebody's siting on a way to mech clear her instantly by the by, but the thought exercise is welcome and probably useful to sort out the POE anyways.

(And Sanae if you are town I am sorry the mod is a right troll and we can go put rocks in his shoe together postgame.)

Yes

[Sanae Kochiya]

In a lot of ways this is less a "Sanae has done scummy things" read than a "Sanae looks like an obvious Larva partner" read.

Also yes

[Sanae Kochiya]

I'm kinda assuming I get limmed here, I can't live to elo and the slot is kinda poisoned. I don't think most people are scumreading me inherently, but rather how Larva interacted with me (which you will all have to reassess after I flip), and mechanics stuff which I can't explain

I don't really have much to add honestly, I shared where my reads are and like I wouldn't mind getting limmed tomorrow instead of today but like I don't think I should live to endgame anyways

Pedit
No

[Sanae Kochiya]

I would like 3699 to be, like, acknowledged, responded to, etc in some way

[Sanae Kochiya]

...
Why

[Sanae Kochiya]

Actually good point, Sanae what happened to the "I can't use any spellcards anymore" part when you were fullclaiming magic supremacy

It's an aspect of using philosopher's stone

[Sanae Kochiya]

Why would you strongwill Kaguya?

[Sanae Kochiya]

1. Didn't you decide before eod who you bound
2. Still, why did you end up on Kaguya out of the other 8 people in the game

That makes as much sense as Kagerou's Tenshi shot honestly

[Sanae Kochiya]

Has anyone else claimed they were blocked.

Or was it just me and Sanae?

Kagerou’s shot went through and they stole Aya’s camera.

I'm trying to confirm something abt this

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yes, that does keep happening

[Sanae Kochiya]

Slept all day.

Kaguya making sure I understand you here, you’re saying that you think their activation of different facets of their role don’t make sense if they were blocked?

It can make sense if either magic supremacy works slightly differently than what Sanae described or if she was specifically hit by something that only blocks spellcards and not actives, otherwise that's basically correct

I'm waiting for GIf to confirm something but I think I misunderstood something

I did misunderstand something
Something interfered with the spellcard and prevented it from activated, not with magic supremacy

[Sanae Kochiya]

I think so, yes

[Sanae Kochiya]

VOTE: Kaguya

Elaboration tomorrow.

Huh?

Again noting that Reisen isn't doing anything

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yuuka's vote is very meh

[Sanae Kochiya]

?

[Sanae Kochiya]

I read it but I felt like I wasn’t fading into the background at the end of day one, I was, like, on top of everything the whole time. The space you’re saying I occupied, I wasn’t.

So I don’t know how to respond to it other than thinking it’s a sort of generalization of a concept misapplied that either alignment could pop out in 5 seconds.

Can you share where you think you were being very active and present at the end of day1?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yuuka's vote is very meh

Thank you for noticing.

In the post I made with the engagement disagreement I referenced the different things I was doing and thinking. Providing specific posts and saying I was engaged wouldn’t be much different. It’s more concrete I suppose, but it’s easy enough to check or verify, presumably you read my posts and can point out where specifically I didin’t seem engaged at the end of the day, no?

Right, so I think your vote is/was lazy and I'm calling you out on that

With regard to end of the day - you were definitely

around

, but I don't think you particularly cared which wagon happened, or tried to make anything happen in one direction or the other. Given that it was tvt (from my POV now, you'll see that after you lim me), I think that was a scummy way to interact with what was happening at the time.

[Sanae Kochiya]

but it did lead to genuine interruptions that I normally wouldn’t have had

Ok, like what?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Kill Ichirin, I need a ghost town buddy badly.

Kill Ichirin, kill ichirin, kill ichirin.

We’re not doing a no lim.
Though I get the possibility is just being presented.

I would prefer ichirin to Sanae by, I suppose a little over a quarter more.

I wouldn't call this 'pushing' Icirin or you having particularly strong feelings about what happened

[Sanae Kochiya]

No, I had seen those before I said that. I don't think those contributed significantly to what happened EoD. Yes you explicitly said you preferred Icirin over me. No I don't think that statement particularly influenced what happened, or that you had a very strong feeling towards Ichirin getting limmed over me from that. Like yeah you said you preferred Ichirin, but I don't get the sense that you particularly cared which got limmed, or tried to make either wagon happen, or not happen.
That's what I meant

Like these are statements with very little oomph or care or weight behind them

If there's something stronger there than I did miss it

And my point is that that's basically where I think scum would be - they didn't care what the ultimate outcome was, it didn't matter

[Sanae Kochiya]

Or another way of saying it - yes you were posting while EoD1 happened
I don't think you especially cared what the outcome was, and I think that's scummy positioning

[Sanae Kochiya]

OK I don't really read those and think that 'Oh, he's gunning for Ichirin', or even 'Oh, he very strongly prefers Ichirin'

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah but like, it doesn’t fit, you’re blatantly trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and I’m just like, Wtf are they doing.

There are plenty of arguments that make more sense to me, but this one’s not really one of them. I get internally and externally I was pretty conflicted and I guess that could come off as “not caring much about the wagon” because other I’d take a more I guess confident stance,

but then I started nagging about my preferred between the two and you just read it and made a wild take that I didn’t care about it.

*psyduck*

I do not know what you're trying to say

[Sanae Kochiya]

Can you imagine I'm town please - what do you think scum were doing EoD1?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Right, I'm asking what the other scum were doing in the town-me universe - why do they need to set up wagon comps?
The universe of 'Larva is trying to save partner-me' has already been fairly well-explicated

[Sanae Kochiya]

Can you imagine I'm town please - what do you think scum were doing EoD1?

Question for you: what do you think Larva (who looks like the designated deepwolf slot) swapping off of you onto Ichirin in a way that breaks progression for the first time the entire game mean for the rest of the scumteam

Honestly I don't know. I'm town, Ichirin was town, and I don't know what he was doing, or why
I don't know why he decided to vote Ichirin over me. That's kinda what I'm saying - it's hard to read the end of day because I don't know why scum would be motivated to be on one or the other, I don't think it should have mattered (which is why I'm looking for people who didn't really seem to care which way it went)

[Sanae Kochiya]

Sanae I haven’t gone through your iso but I’m down to talk things out while we’re waiting.

In line with your hypothetical I’ll assume you’re town and you got roleblocked. I know your vote is already on me so besides me where’s your head at? As far as scum pushing for you to get limmed.

Please see 3699, nothing's changed all that much

[Sanae Kochiya]

Also in the spirit of your hypothetical Sanae if you’re town why do you think the ichirin lim pulled through instead of yours?

It isn’t like scum would be afraid of ichirins role more than yours and even if there is a roleblocker in play I don’t think they would have used the resources on ichirin so what would make them opt for doing that instead of just tagging in the extra votes to see you out?

The people who were offwagon I'm p sure were Ichirin/Aya/Koishi and the latter two decided to vote Ichirin

The general consensus is that they're town so I don't think scum had much to do with it.

Can't really say why they decided to end up on Ichirin

[Sanae Kochiya]

Can you imagine I'm town please - what do you think scum were doing EoD1?

Question for you: what do you think Larva (who looks like the designated deepwolf slot) swapping off of you onto Ichirin in a way that breaks progression for the first time the entire game mean for the rest of the scumteam

Honestly I don't know. I'm town, Ichirin was town, and I don't know what he was doing, or why
I don't know why he decided to vote Ichirin over me. That's kinda what I'm saying - it's hard to read the end of day because I don't know why scum would be motivated to be on one or the other, I don't think it should have mattered (which is why I'm looking for people who didn't really seem to care which way it went)

Like I just don't know why that end of day even happened. It doesn't really make sense to me

[Sanae Kochiya]

Hmmm?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah, your approach is very ??? to me in general

And I feel like my usual approach isn't working here

[Sanae Kochiya]

Like asking fully honestly, did Larvae really push Dai before Ichirin sort of became the defacto and with all that in mind given there were all kinds of flash wagon possibles did Larvae REALLY effort to have Dai run up?

Before Ichirin vs Kagerou, it looked like Dai was the lim Larva was trying to make happen

[Sanae Kochiya]

My rolecard is confusing :shrug:

[Sanae Kochiya]

I'm a little dubious it's that clean tbh, and I wouldn't put Dai or Reisen in that same tier as Clown/Aya/Koishi

[Sanae Kochiya]

Marisa/Dai but I don't townread them right now to the point that I would bet the game on it

Pedit I really don't think you should be the lim here

To clarify: I think Marisa/Dai are each likely town and don't think either should be limmed. But it's a lower tier than Clown/Aya/Koishi and I wouldn't permanently take them out of the pool or base mech solves on that

[Sanae Kochiya]

I mean that's basically my approach here - this slot is always going to be fodder for a mislim now and needs to get resolved, and why I'm not trying so hard to prevent this

My point basically js that even though I townread you, I don't think Kaguya should be putting you in that tier

[Sanae Kochiya]

Kinda doubting Koishi again tbh

[Sanae Kochiya]

Boy do I have a lot of thoughts on this when this is all over

[Sanae Kochiya]

Reads are in 3699, nothing much has changed from my POV beyind a niggling fear the mechanics/mech clears are not as simple as they seem

Gl gl
Really empathize with the 'ceasing to be my problem' bit

[Sanae Kochiya]

Sanae before you die are you still convinced Kaguya is scum?

I wouldnt say convinced, but for sure in my pool

[Sanae Kochiya]

Can you tell I'm just sitting in front of my computer monitor nervously refreshing this thread hoping that something will happen to take me out of the misery that is not knowing whether I'm making the right choice or not? I think it should be possible to tell based on the timestamps of my posts.

I mean you aren't, but the indecisiveness is probably townie

[Sanae Kochiya]

Reads are in 3699, nothing much has changed from my POV beyind a niggling fear the mechanics/mech clears are not as simple as they seem

Gl gl
Really empathize with the 'ceasing to be my problem' bit

Besides the bit about the mech clears not being as simple as they seem.
Like, what exactly could Koishi/Aya have been doing that doesn't make it crystal clear?
Aya says they redirected all night actions (or something like that) to Larvae, who promptly died and Koishi claimed a protective before.
Larvae is very unlikely to have taken a dive to get scum into a better position.

We have 2 mech clears, was there anyone else that was mechanically cleared that I missed?

More out of a slight paranoia that the game doesn't fully make sense if we take them two and clown out of the pool

Not really from a mechanical perspective, more from a reads/gamestate perspective

[Sanae Kochiya]

Wanna sell me on Reisen?

(Just pointing out that from my POV we've already done this a few times and you've promoptly ignored and/or dismissed what I've said)

Reisen is basically a non-entity and is not solving, and is sitting exactly in that under the radar sweet spot where I think scum might be

Sitting on Ichirin for the entirety of day1 when that was sliding towards being the end of day lim is also scummy positioning

Can you name any of Reisen's reads now? What are they being townread for?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Like yeah I get the mechanics is clearing yada yada yada

I can't really explain the mechanics but the gamestate feels somewhat weird and wrong if we just put all 3 into the 'untouchable' town pool and I'm worried it's going to be a mistake ij endgame

If they all die before then, great

[Sanae Kochiya]

(I got roleblocked/spellblocked in some way
Am resigned this because it's pretty clear this is where it's going, this slot cannot be in elo, and I've been talking to the ether for a week)

[Sanae Kochiya]

But yeah I don't know why none of Aya/Koishi/Clown were voting (Koishi is now as of an hour ago I know) but like indicated they were kinda good with it and everyone was just like yeah let's do that. That should indeed be a red flag

Also weird to me that Koishu/Aya were the last two, and deciding, votes yesterday as well

[Sanae Kochiya]

Like yes I understand that Reisen is coasting, but you're claiming they haven't done anything towny while Clown and I do get townvibes from their posting.

I'm actually not sure what's their read on you so I guess that is concerning. I do think they were townreading me and clown though? Ugh you do raise a point that I can't really remember their reads.

Right ... don't you think that's a problem at this point?

Why were they on Ichirin? Who knows

What do you think was townie about them?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Although I do think if I were scum I'd be bussed here, can't imagine why I wouldn't be

Pedit
Right and isn't that a concerning townlist at this point?

[Sanae Kochiya]

I could maybe see 1931 being townie, I don't think the Ichirin vote is townie at all. They literally voteparked there till the end of the day based on someone else's case,

I don't think a few townie posts should be enough to be activelu townreading them at this point, especially if the pool from your POV after I flip is like 2 scum in Kaguya/Kagerou/Reisen/Yuuka/Dai

If you're taking out Aya/Koishi/Clown

Like to me there really isn't anything to townread, they aren't solving, and they're just kinsa like there

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah nvm that dumbslip isn't even towny

Yea ...

[Sanae Kochiya]

I'm not clown piece, but I'd be looking at Clown, Kagerou, Marisa, Kaguya.

With an emphasis on Kagerou.

Clown and Marisa I actually think are town on reads

[Sanae Kochiya]

I would go like

Reisen -> Yuuka/Kaguya -> Kagerou -> Dai/Marisa -> Clown

[Sanae Kochiya]

Reisen ....

[Sanae Kochiya]

And I'll say, again, that the Tenshi vig makes little sense to me from a town POV, Tenshi was pretty obvtown end of day, and I believe at least both me and Koishi said that
(I.e. Kagerou being like 'nobody had townreads on them! So I thought I was reducing the lim pool!' Makes very little sense to me)

[Sanae Kochiya]

I'm not clown piece, but I'd be looking at Clown, Kagerou, Marisa, Kaguya.

With an emphasis on Kagerou.

Clown and Marisa I actually think are town on reads

Why?

Clown 1.0 was incredibly townie
Marisa - I don't know why she keeps flashwagoning as scum, or why she would start a wagon on me end of day1, and I think the indecisiveness is townie

[Sanae Kochiya]

I was Sanae still

Like, why

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yes

[Sanae Kochiya]

I know, that's literally why I'm not trying to get out of this. It's going to be impossible for anyone to reset till that happens and it's better for the game overall if I get limmed even though I'm town

That's why I'm 'resigned' as you called it

I really, really hope there's some consideration of what I've been saying after I flip, but eh.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah unfortunately this is how we have to proceed. Damned game state.

The aya asspull was literally the only reason we will be in this tomorrow if sanae town.

What do you mean

[Sanae Kochiya]

Also @koishi part of why I think you can be scum here is that I think you should be able to see I'm town

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah
That's also why I'm not fighting this so hard, it'll be like 6:2 and not 5:3 tomorrow hopefully

[Sanae Kochiya]

Also @koishi part of why I think you can be scum here is that I think you should be able to see I'm town

Like you're very competant and you're kinda just letting it happen

[Sanae Kochiya]

Yeah
That's also why I'm not fighting this so hard, it'll be like 6:2 and not 5:3 tomorrow hopefully

This seems disingenuous to me, given a lot of your play this day phase can be summed up as "you're wrong, try again x(?)3-4"
Not that I find this scummy. I don't find struggling scummy, if anything I find it modestly townie.
So hesitating a lot here. But false dichotomies are for the birds. Even if you're town, I'm town and you ultimately didn't see that.

It occurs to me that we're on evens, right? So scum didn't have as much of a reason not to role block you.

Then again, without knowing Kagerou's relationship to the game it's hard to know why they would know we'd land on evens.

I don't know what's disingenuous about it. Tomorrow it's going to be 6:2 and from my POV that's a lot better than 5:3

[Sanae Kochiya]

Like if I thought we'd be 5:3 tomorrow after my mislim I'd be trying a lot harder to prevent it than being in 6:2 and letting people reset

[Sanae Kochiya]

The way you worded it, as hopefully was a bit much though. On the 5:3 thing.
But we've had Ichirin, albeit that one was actually less egregious but this one was couched kind of comfortably so I might be putting more stock in that 'hopefully' and not seeing the context or giving the context its due weight there.

Hopefully was like
Kagerou doesnt shoot town again

Anyways g'luck y'all