Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[usesPython]

Wanna vote PC with us?

[usesPython]

Wanna vote PC with us?

what are your opinions on mayonnaise?

Hate it

[usesPython]

Political Clout very much fits the bill of figured it out on D2. His unvote/voting on Light has bad cop equity as others have pointed out, and he was the penultimate person to claim cop.

following your logic wouldn't that mean I'm town.

I'd imagine not

yes cool

so either scum are informed, or they worked out the setup themselves pretty quickly, or they were late to the massclaim. or a mix of these

[usesPython]

Political Clout very much fits the bill of figured it out on D2. His unvote/voting on Light has bad cop equity as others have pointed out, and he was the penultimate person to claim cop.

following your logic wouldn't that mean I'm town.

I'd imagine not

yes cool

so either scum are informed, or they worked out the setup themselves pretty quickly, or they were late to the massclaim. or a mix of these

Like you'd fit the bill of "late to the massclaim + worked out the setup d2"

[usesPython]

pog

VOTE: PC

[usesPython]

lap died day 1 not night 1

[usesPython]

python what is your read on Titus

Could be partnered with PC but we'd prefer to go PC before Titus cause the rest of her posting isn't bottom tier

[usesPython]

isn't 3 masons 7 VT vs goons supposed to be balanced? yet the above setup might easily get to a point where only 1 person is confirmable. plus masons have private topic and stuff

Friends and Enemies

[usesPython]

and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

What do you want us to comment on, we've already elaborated on why we think your anti-cop equity is scummy

[usesPython]

Also if anyone actually thinks Ranger isn't fakeclaiming like always we've got a bridge to sell you

[usesPython]

Also if anyone actually thinks Ranger isn't fakeclaiming like always we've got a bridge to sell you

what?

Ranger fakeclaims like every game regardless of alignment

[usesPython]

and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

What do you want us to comment on, we've already elaborated on why we think your anti-cop equity is scummy

I didn't even see it lol. Why did you unvote when jackson told you I was town and revote now? it seems you only supposedly follow your "town picks that have higher accuracy than you" when you want.

JVs townread on you was based on you being the distraction to the light wagon, since they warmed up on light it doesn't apply anymore

[usesPython]

Also if anyone actually thinks Ranger isn't fakeclaiming like always we've got a bridge to sell you

what?

Ranger fakeclaims like every game regardless of alignment

oh cool good to know

I still don't understand the bridge bit but whatevs

I have a bridge to sell you

(idiomatic, US) An indirect way of expressing that the addressee is gullible.

[usesPython]

and python doesn't bother to engage with me and is only to happy to see us go back and forth. none of this gives you pause about anything ketchup?

What do you want us to comment on, we've already elaborated on why we think your anti-cop equity is scummy

I didn't even see it lol. Why did you unvote when jackson told you I was town and revote now? it seems you only supposedly follow your "town picks that have higher accuracy than you" when you want.

JVs townread on you was based on you being the distraction to the light wagon, since they warmed up on light it doesn't apply anymore

It was more than that

Didn't see, what's the extra

[usesPython]

Ranger do you ever unvote? (not vote for anyone at some point?)

Sometimes

[usesPython]

We're available what's the current beef

[usesPython]

Not hammering

[usesPython]

A scum-Titus gave it away with the bolded part, the true key. "no fewer than 3 cops".

Why did Titus assume there were

no fewer than

three cops, instead of

at least

three

?

Those statements are logically identical.
No fewer than three = three or more
At least three = three or more

[usesPython]

Three investigatives != Three cops, There's a difference between Cop/Cop/Disloyal Cop and Loyal Cop/Macho Nea/Weak Doctor/Mafia Roleblocker
Likewise everyone the same role != everyone cop, there's a difference between everyone being a joat with meh roles and everyone being an ungated cop

[usesPython]

From the perspective of a town-Titus

, why couldn't this have been a valid setup?

Spoiler: Hypothetical Setup

This is a Valid Normal setup

Town Disloyal Cop
Town Cop
Town Cop
Vanilla Townie x 7

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Goon x2

At the risk of doing the same thing I accused ketchup of doing: because that'd still bare minimum generate one hard clear a day assuming perfect roleblocks, more realistically two+ clears a day which mechanically locks the game by d3 if scum get unlucky with checks and kills

[usesPython]

VOTE: Ranger

[usesPython]

Lol, well Ranger is town.

VOTE: Titus

Awaiting her response

I disagree, I think Ranger would know better than to make these kinds of mech conflations

[usesPython]

python what is your read on Titus

Could be partnered with PC but we'd prefer to go PC before Titus cause the rest of her posting isn't bottom tier

Hm what changed

Nothing's changed on Titus's end. She's still mid tier posting with some PC associatives and we're still perfectly fine with going for PC, it's just ranger that dropped from bad to worse

[usesPython]

Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town. She's wanting the whole day to focus on me. Like uses said, she's better than this. Ideally, people should have let me defend myself from Ranger's bogus case but still.

Uses, do you think there's any possibility of tunneled Ranger?

The problem with the tunneled town!Ranger theory is that normally when she's tunneled she starts twisting dayplay in the worst light possible while mech stays fairly solid (though minimal if it's not necessary). Here we're seeing the opposite; With the exception of the "no less vs at least" part if you take the mech at face value the dayplay argument is pretty solid. The problem is the mech being twisted with false equivalences causes the dayplay argument to fall apart, it's just the reverse of what kind of mistake we'd expect to see if Ranger was tunneled

[usesPython]

There's thousands, millions, of possible setups Alianna could create where there's precisely three Cops, facing a scumteam which has answers to it.

We disagree but we'll wait for Titus to start responding before we elaborate

[usesPython]

If Ranger is town, scum uses wants a t v t AND cut me off from answering.

"scum!Python wants a tvt by defending E-1!Titus" is a pretty nuclear take

[usesPython]

And kinda a not so good vibe from Python

tell me more tell me more.

I just get a vibe that python is working to actively protect Ranger(and in turn push Titus), and I feel like Titus just showed herself as town as well.

I have been going back and forth on Titus/Ranger, but this feels right finally

Drew give us the good stuff, we literally want Ranger dead and just defended Titus

[usesPython]

Like we had an uncontested Titus hammer open there idk where you're getting the "defend ranger push titus" stance

[usesPython]

I also have a whole section about a plausible messenger fakeclaim I could claim but I’ll save that for another time

Oh yeah we almost forgot about that, why did you claim a message?

[usesPython]

Also if I do a big post some people won’t read it but if I do little posts it’ll create the illusion that it’ll be quick to read

magic

This is true

[usesPython]

also I’m not sure if

Roleblocker Godfather

counts as a normal role?

Mafia Roleblocker Godfather is normal legal and does exactly what you're looking for

[usesPython]

Still not interested in hammering this

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

hang on did. we decide if we were following cop plan?

We are, no reason not to.

[usesPython]

Is that hammer?

No, Enchant unvoted

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: serious comment?

Pretty obviously not a serious comment given that they'd have come out with it way earlier

[usesPython]

Folks we got a red check on ranger tomorrow

[usesPython]

no that's dumb, treat the above posts like the jokes they are and just do the list thing

[usesPython]

idk, can you?

[usesPython]

Ok but have you considered Ranger?

[usesPython]

Enchant still alive that's pretty funny

[usesPython]

It's day before ELO so no point in hypoing results, I got an inno on Black

[usesPython]

VOTE: Ranger

[usesPython]

pog

[usesPython]

We're taking full credit for being the first to figure out Ranger was scum (idk if we were the first but we're still taking credit)

[usesPython]

Wait, does this mean that sometimes Enchant really is scum here as well??

Enchant is still the designated VT

[usesPython]

so why didn't we deal with the competing claims yesterday?

Because doing it the day before ELO maximizes the amount of checks that happen while still giving enough time to 1f1 people

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Ranger

[usesPython]

Wait then what's Enchant if not Cop?

[usesPython]

We'd be voting light here but I don't want the day to end

[usesPython]

We can let everyone check in. I'm not sure who hasn't posted yet. But I thought everyone had already

Not really about checking in, we know light's confscum so ending the day just gets Ranger shot

[usesPython]

Also, why is it so crazy to think I wouldn't NK Jackson?

I don't really get the progression from Titus and Ketchup.......though I can't think of a viable reason that they would be scum and using the NK, to lock me town I guess?

I don't think either of them think they can pocket me(actually I believe Ranger thinks she could, so that pushes the scale slightly to her as scum).

But right now, I kinda am town leaning Ranger......just the pieces aren't adding up right as for her to be scum

Posting in an airport, we'll catch up later but Ranger should be mechanically conftown from your perspective because for Ranger to be scum one of the following scenarios would be true:

1. Enchant is VT, Ranger is Mafia Godfather and Enchant is letting her steal the VT claim (Which like why?)
   
2. Enchant and Ranger are mafia, there are no VT claims so either a VT is silent (Which like why?) or the unannounced rulebreak was 0 VTs which would mean getting an Inno on Enchant would be impossible

[usesPython]

Where we're at right now:

{Ranger} - The full conftown
{Enchant} - The conftown but too lazy to check
{Drew} - This dude town
{Hu Tao, Ketchup} - Hu Taown is townier by mech and Ketchup townier by play

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THE LINE

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{Black} - The wildcard
{Political Clout} - The fake cop
{light} - The confscum

We're not willing to kill anyone above the line until everyone below it is dead, if we're wrong on anyone it'd probably be Black in which case it comes down to figuring out if Schum Tao would know to fake Cop from the Disloyal Cop + Cop flips or not

[usesPython]

so why didn't we deal with the competing claims yesterday?

Because doing it the day before ELO maximizes the amount of checks that happen while still giving enough time to 1f1 people

so what's your take on the setup now?

SETUP

1. Mafia Godfather
   (light)
   
2. Mafia Godfather
   
   
3. Mafia Godfather
   
   
4. Town Disloyal Cop
   (Laplacian) - Only useful investigative
   
5. Town Cop
   
   
6. Town Cop
   
   
7. Town Cop
   
   
8. Town Cop
   
   
9. Town Cop
   
   
10. Town Cop
    
    
11. Town Cop
    
    
12. Vanilla Townie
    (Ranger) - Acts as a Named Townie
    
13. Whatever Enchant is (Probably
    Town Cop
    )

[usesPython]

My other bet is that the godfather thing could be a misdirect and the actual setup is something like ascetic scums (because I'm not sure why otherwise there's multiple disloyal town cops)

Everyone's been checked by multiple people so no

[usesPython]

Also Titus had an inno on Ranger

[usesPython]

We ready to start blasting people or does anyone still have stuff to add?

[usesPython]

I still think it's probably Drew and python. Ketchup is obvtown

Python, who do we need to sacrifice and to which deity so that we can roll scum together?

We've been sacrificing a goat every Sunday, you haven't?

[usesPython]

We'll let Ranger check in one last time before we drop the E-1

[usesPython]

Someone hammer please god

Why do people like to stall games for no reasons

It's called waiting for Ranger

We'll let Ranger check in one last time before we drop the E-1

Been sick, tryin to recover; I don't think I'll find anything groundbreaking by looking at the light suspicion through the game, yet if I can I want to.

(Easiest prodge of our life)

[usesPython]

Finally.

Now we can wait another two days.

Kid named fast night

[usesPython]

I didn't bother to check anyone

[usesPython]

We're 1v1ing. Votes should be between us today

I'm fine with that maybe sorta not really. if you also can accept that it might be python and drew. I probably need to reread this game again funnily enough. I do think it is python especially that they posted without voting light I think that was theatre.

Nothing has meaningfully changed between d3 and d4 except that Ranger can't post cause she's dead which is exactly why we weren't hammering. We knew Ranger was conftown and VT, and we knew that light was confscum and Godfather

[usesPython]

VOTE: PC

follow The Line^TM

[usesPython]

We're 1v1ing. Votes should be between us today

I'm fine with that maybe sorta not really. if you also can accept that it might be python and drew. I probably need to reread this game again funnily enough. I do think it is python especially that they posted without voting light I think that was theatre.

Nothing has meaningfully changed between d3 and d4 except that Ranger can't post cause she's dead which is exactly why we weren't hammering. We knew Ranger was conftown and VT, and we knew that light was confscum and Godfather

if you say so.

Ain't no "if you say so", articulate exactly what else changed between d3 and d4

[usesPython]

Not hammering is objectively the higher EV play -> Python's not hammering so they look townier

Get better material

[usesPython]

Black help me get your partner out

[usesPython]

We've been calling you scum since massclaim for having anti-cop equity, it's not a recent thing

[usesPython]

It's not about your dayplay, we think you're mechanically scum here cause you played how a not-Cop would play and that's way easier to be correct about than trying to read your dayplay

[usesPython]

We've been calling you scum since massclaim for having anti-cop equity, it's not a recent thing

can we go through that thought process once more? or are you tired of explaining it?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

disloyal does appear in the thread aliana linked.

UNVOTE:

I'm going to sleep on this.

layed down for bed could not sleep felt all wrong.

VOTE: laplacian

step on the gas.

VOTE: lap

VOTE: ganski

I wanted to see how that felt, not good. This better

The claim was cursed so I wanted to dip my toes in but no, they’re just town

In particular the belief -> disbelief is pretty anti-cop while JVs disbelief -> town despite the claim is very cop

Scum didn't know d1 they'd have to all claim Cop during massclaim so the people that weren't reacting to the Disloyal Cop claim like a Town Cop would are just scum

[usesPython]

It's not about your dayplay, we think you're mechanically scum here cause you played how a not-Cop would play and that's way easier to be correct about than trying to read your dayplay

This house thinks that if there are 3 godfathers then mechanically you would want to drop hints that you might be a cop. My not dropping any hints proves that I am more likely to be a cop since I don't know/didn't know the setup. what do you think?

Scum don't know the exact flavor of questionableness, something like "Negative Utility Godfathers" where town had investigatives that get Guiltys on Godfathers but not Goons like Rolecop/Vanilla Cop absolutely could have been posible

[usesPython]

light flipping Rolecop-Finder actually gives more credence to that theory

[usesPython]

It's not about your dayplay, we think you're mechanically scum here cause you played how a not-Cop would play and that's way easier to be correct about than trying to read your dayplay

This house thinks that if there are 3 godfathers then mechanically you would want to drop hints that you might be a cop. My not dropping any hints proves that I am more likely to be a cop since I don't know/didn't know the setup. what do you think?

Also missing the point. It's not that you didn't drop hints that you were a Cop, it's that you played in a way that would disqualify you from being a Cop

[usesPython]

If you flipped town then it'd be a POE solve in Black/Hu Tao/Ketchup starting with Black

[usesPython]

isn't that how you play being a cop? or are you talking about how drew might be clear for playing how a "cop would". The only objection I really see is time. me unvoting and going to bed then getting up to revote. What if I flipped cop how would that change your solve?

We're not gonna do more than talk in circles at this point, sufficed to say that we consider you looking at Laps claim and believing it is incompatible with having a Cop PM (and doesn't have the excuse JV did of letting your reads overwrite the mech since you scumread Lap)

[usesPython]

The baseline for anyone with more than a few games under their belt looking at a Disloyal Cop claim as a Cop is to think "There is no way this guy's real" and we're not willing to lose this game giving you a pass on that here

[usesPython]

The baseline for anyone with more than a few games under their belt looking at a Disloyal Cop claim as a Cop is to think "There is no way this guy's real" and we're not willing to lose this game giving you a pass on that here

In a questionable almost normal game? it's what all gave me pause about everything.

That's the thing though, it's an instinct that happens before the conscious thought of "it's a questionable game", like how uhh if you're flying a plane inverted you have to remind yourself that blue is up instead of defaulting to the baseline of up is up (which would fly you into the ground)

[usesPython]

We're town

Talk about your Hu Tao/Black read a bit more?

[usesPython]

I didn't bother to check anyone

Did you forget? Or think it was pointless

Laziness. Everyone's been checked by 2+ people, there's no point

[usesPython]

Currently, 13/13 players have confirmed.

"Last edited 2:19PM (10hrs ago)“

hmm so i used to think that arko was sad at rolling VT but maybe they were just scared of being maf, I think cop would be exciting enough to merit at least one post

Arko is a notorious flaker, I don't think there's much alignment to get from it

[usesPython]

Biggest problem with a scum Enchant world is that they'd know a VT was silently letting them fakeclaim VT while they claimed some kind of Cop and Ranger is notorious for fakeclaiming as town so we'd expect a fake check on like Black or Python or something in that world instead of Ranger just for the safety of not risking the 1v1 with the VT

[usesPython]

Biggest problem with a scum Enchant world is that they'd know a VT was silently letting them fakeclaim VT while they claimed some kind of Cop and Ranger is notorious for fakeclaiming as town so we'd expect a fake check on like Black or Python or something in that world instead of Ranger just for the safety of not risking the 1v1 with the VT

Like if you're scum Enchant here and you've got Ranger/Black/Python all as viable 1v1's while you know a VT is fakeclaiming do you go for Ranger who's notorious for fakeclaiming or do you go for Black/Python who don't really fakeclaim

[usesPython]

I didn't bother to check anyone

Did you forget? Or think it was pointless

Laziness. Everyone's been checked by 2+ people, there's no point

not true, noone had checked Drew until i did just now. Also multiple people day 1 who have only been checked once, so it's worth checking in case a godfather covered for a scum partner (unlikely, but still)

We are too lazy and assumed everyone got checked twice by D4

[usesPython]

I was so excited for this game since I was finally cop and now I got tricked I feel deflated today ngl

I think this is what black quoted. but looking at it now It can be made by any alignment. it just feels town to me though. it's a good post. feels sincere and rings true. idk.

I think you and ketchup are town. Not sure who is last scum though

Why is PC town btw

[usesPython]

What do you think about the anti-Cop PC posts

[usesPython]

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

No biggie, sure you can understand

it's okay i get it, playing to your win condition and all that <3

I fake claim miller

ooooh spooky

UNVOTE: DkKoba

unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now

it's actually a traitor soft

don't scumclaim unless you really want me to policy koba

i'm trying to rise out of anti-miller hate, but i just might

Spoiler: Jackson/Black 200-207

Ok, Black is Town. We love that

Why am I town

Ok, Black is Town. We love that

Why am I town

Cuz you're Black

I always happen to TR you

last time you seemed convinced early on I was town (tho faltered at parts) so I am alarmed I have been significantly different enough to get you going the opposite way. mystical

You seem to default to the assumption the difference is with you?

am I being dumb? what’s the alternative? if you saw me in a new light, it was probably something I did

Do you not know why Black asked if you thought I was town?

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

Mmhmm

But it's because you seem to be on a similar wavelength than I am, I should have actually asked a little more before assuming you town but eh too late

I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

I always happen to TR you

But you've been wrong about me twice very recently. Why are you not concerned that you could be wrong again?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Early days

It might just be paranoia. But is this how two townies talk about a town read one has on the other?

The "you seem to be on a similar wavelength" line in particular feels a lot like it could be fishing

/a traitor fishing for scum or vice versa, I mean

LG not responding to or acknowledging her wagon feels kinda bad

I don't like to play reactively, I think it makes it harder to develop a consistent understanding of the gamestate when I'm spending too much time worrying about what others are thinking of *me*

fyi, I thought your reasoning on me was a bit of a reach, but I've seen worse come from town 6 pages into a game

Is there any reason why you didn't say that when you read my reasoning? What do you think about the other votes on you?

because I was still thinking about whether it meant anything beyond "I'm town, but we're barely out of rvs and this is the best reason I have to SR someone". if you'd made the same vote D2, or even 20 pages in, it would have been a much more immediate red flag rather than just a yellow one

the other two votes seemed very sheep-y which I don't think means *that* much in the first five pages. python, it's very early but the few posts they've made don't feel like scum!python from the one game I've been in with them. koba seems very neutral (like beyond the vote, I've no reason to disbelieve the miller claim, I don't like the traitor soft joke but it's not something I want to read into without more evidence).

Rereading light's d1, thoughts on Koba being shot as a Traitor conversion attempt? JV disqualified themselves as Traitor by pushing for a light lim d1 we think

[usesPython]

like especially with posts like

gg i was maf

which could be taken as signaling while the final readslist was

ketchup777
usesPython
Doctor Drew

JacksonVirgo

Political Clout
Hu Tao
light_ganski
Black

Titus

Laplacian

Ranger

Arko* (Enchant)


this is generally where I'm at right now

where all the likely scum are in null tier

[usesPython]

Scum knew there were cops day 1 which is why they killed the Miller claim. So I don't think it's a big deal

I don't like this post but it's hard to articulate why

I think {Black/PC/Hu Tao} just wins the game and I kinda don't want to effort harder than that.

[usesPython]

what's the norm vis-a-vis traitors? would mafia know if shooting a traitor would kill or recruit them?

Oh hmm no that wouldn't work

• identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
  
• cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot

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Scum knew there were cops day 1 which is why they killed the Miller claim. So I don't think it's a big deal

I don't like this post but it's hard to articulate why

I think {Black/PC/Hu Tao} just wins the game and I kinda don't want to effort harder than that.

Yeah okay. So why was the Miller claim killed n1 then? It's obvious they knew the setup since they were all godfathers.

I think the problem we have with this is that if we assume this is true then we have Black as scum by POE and the third partner is ???, there's too many townies in that world

[usesPython]

I wanna look at what team comps would come to the conclusion the game is all Cops from just

Setup

1. Mafia Rolecop-Finder Godfather
   
   
2. Mafia Godfather
   
   
3. Mafia Godfather
   
   
4. Town Disloyal Cop

[usesPython]

Spoiler: All teams

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/usesPython
   
   
4. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
5. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
6. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
7. light/Black/Enchant
   
8. light/Black/usesPython
   
   
9. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
10. light/Black/Political Clout
    
11. light/Black/Doctor Drew
    
12. light/Enchant/usesPython
    
    
13. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
    
14. light/Enchant/Political Clout
    
15. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
    
16. light/usesPython/Hu Tao
    
    
17. light/usesPython/Political Clout
    
    
18. light/usesPython/Doctor Drew
    
    
19. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
20. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
    
21. light/Political Clout/Doctor Drew

Spoiler: Pass 1 (high confidence)

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
4. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
5. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
6. light/Black/Enchant
   
7. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
8. light/Black/Political Clout
   - PC has anti-Cop equity and Black is not a mech player so likely to get tripped up by Rolecop-Finder and also doesn't have any real d1 cop equity
   
9. light/Black/Doctor Drew
   
10. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
    
11. light/Enchant/Political Clout
    
12. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
    
13. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
14. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew

Spoiler: Pass 2 (medium confidence)

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
4. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
5. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
6. light/Black/Enchant
   - See above for Black, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
   
7. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
8. light/Black/Doctor Drew
   
9. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
   
10. light/Enchant/Political Clout
    - See above for PC, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
    
11. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
    
12. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
13. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew

Spoiler: Results

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
4. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
5. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
6. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
7. light/Black/Doctor Drew
   
8. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
   
9. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
   
10. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
11. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew

• Teams with ketchup777 are possible because lack of experience means he could have ignored the implications of Rolecop-finder implying Rolecop and just focused on thinking Godfather = Cops
  
• Teams with Doctor Drew are possible because he has high cop equity so by necessity if he's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop
  
• Teams with Hu Tao are possible because she has good d2 cop equity so by necessity if she's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop

[usesPython]

Spoiler: All teams

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/usesPython
   
   
4. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
5. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
6. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
7. light/Black/Enchant
   
8. light/Black/usesPython
   
   
9. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
10. light/Black/Political Clout
    
11. light/Black/Doctor Drew
    
12. light/Enchant/usesPython
    
    
13. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
    
14. light/Enchant/Political Clout
    
15. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
    
16. light/usesPython/Hu Tao
    
    
17. light/usesPython/Political Clout
    
    
18. light/usesPython/Doctor Drew
    
    
19. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
20. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew
    
21. light/Political Clout/Doctor Drew

Spoiler: Pass 1 (high confidence)

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
4. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
5. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
6. light/Black/Enchant
   
7. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
8. light/Black/Political Clout
   - PC has anti-Cop equity and Black is not a mech player so likely to get tripped up by Rolecop-Finder and also doesn't have any real d1 cop equity
   
9. light/Black/Doctor Drew
   
10. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
    
11. light/Enchant/Political Clout
    
12. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
    
13. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
14. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew

Spoiler: Pass 2 (medium confidence)

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
4. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
5. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
6. light/Black/Enchant
   - See above for Black, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
   
7. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
8. light/Black/Doctor Drew
   
9. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
   
10. light/Enchant/Political Clout
    - See above for PC, Enchant claiming VT could go either way in this team
    
11. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
    
12. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
13. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew

Spoiler: Results

1. light/ketchup777/Black
   
2. light/ketchup777/Enchant
   
3. light/ketchup777/Hu Tao
   
4. light/ketchup777/Political Clout
   
5. light/ketchup777/Doctor Drew
   
6. light/Black/Hu Tao
   
7. light/Black/Doctor Drew
   
8. light/Enchant/Hu Tao
   
9. light/Enchant/Doctor Drew
   
10. light/Hu Tao/Political Clout
    
11. light/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew

• Teams with ketchup777 are possible because lack of experience means he could have ignored the implications of Rolecop-finder implying Rolecop and just focused on thinking Godfather = Cops
  
• Teams with Doctor Drew are possible because he has high cop equity so by necessity if he's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop
  
• Teams with Hu Tao are possible because she has good d2 cop equity so by necessity if she's scum the scum team would have had to know to claim Cop

We got basically nothing out of this, very cool

[usesPython]

Koba is PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, needless to say that i didn't buy it for second and if mafia did, they are laughable, Koba kjlled for other reasons


By the way, i had VT as Ranger in 90% cases and Ketchup in 10% cases (because how insistant ketchup was that VT may fakeclaim to let me sit).


Partially reason i don't like ketchup. With... How many? People checking me, it's like mafia checked me and KNOW i am not VT. But theory contradicts by fact that Ranger was not shot as well. I mean, if mafia knows i am not VT, mafia figure out ranger role almost instantly.


... And they don't try to 1vs1 Ranger for no benefit i guess.

Who has Koba meta in this playerlist

[usesPython]

I don’t really understand what you’ve done Python. Were you striking through teams you thought likely or what?

Checking if the game still makes sense if we assume mafia figured out the setup before massclaim, we were striking out the teams that probably couldn't figure it out and didn't get much from it because almost every team would be able to figure it out

[usesPython]

Yeah okay. So why was the Miller claim killed n1 then? It's obvious they knew the setup since they were all godfathers.

I think the problem we have with this is that if we assume this is true then we have Black as scum by POE and the third partner is ???, there's too many townies in that world

Which is literally my deduction since yesterday. So why was that suspect to you?

No we're rejecting the deduction since we don't have a workable solve if we assume it's true and the more likely answer is we missed something that'd make the deduction not work

[usesPython]

I don’t really understand what you’ve done Python. Were you striking through teams you thought likely or what?

Checking if the game still makes sense if we assume mafia figured out the setup before massclaim, we were striking out the teams that probably couldn't figure it out and didn't get much from it because almost every team would be able to figure it out

More accurately, any team with Ketchup/Hu Tao/Doctor Drew would be able to figure it out by definition because you all crumbed your results. It's very specifically "if this was the mod confirmed scumteam would the scumteam know in advance the setup" while ignoring if they'd actually normally be able to figure it out as scum (e.g. We normally wouldn't expect Drew to figure out the setup as scum by d1 after the Lap claim but because Drew has high cop equity posts we're forced to assume any scum team with Drew in it would know the setup because that's what Drew flipping scum would imply with his posts)

[usesPython]

How did Drew crumb his results?

By aggressively calling bullshit on Laps claim

[usesPython]

Python was the first deserter of the E-1 Light wagon thoughhhh

For rl context that was right after an 18ish hours flight just before we passed out again cause we didn't trust the rest of the playerlist not to hammer before we vibechecked Black

[usesPython]

Then after that we got distracted by Ketchup and then Ranger

[usesPython]

first thought is that Light RVSing Drew suggests Drew is town, because voting someone carries a slight risk they get memeput to E-1 or something. no guarantees though obviously, and have to go for now

Drew's town but not cause of the RVS, best time to put down meaningless distancing votes is actually during RVS because there's pretty much no risk of it actually getting hammered outside of very specific "lol lets hammer someone by page 2 for the funny" type playerlists

[usesPython]

Indeed.

VOTE: Python

We'd make the zebra joke but those stopped being funny a while ago

[usesPython]

first thought is that Light RVSing Drew suggests Drew is town, because voting someone carries a slight risk they get memeput to E-1 or something. no guarantees though obviously, and have to go for now

Drew's town but not cause of the RVS, best time to put down meaningless distancing votes is actually during RVS because there's pretty much no risk of it actually getting hammered outside of very specific "lol lets hammer someone by page 2 for the funny" type playerlists

light_ganski

Day 1:

Doctor Drew,

Jackson

,

Laplacian

Day 2:

Ranger

,

Titus

Day 3:

Ranger

If Drew was even half-seriously pushed by light he's probably town

[usesPython]

If Drew was even half-seriously pushed by light he's probably town

nvm RVS into a page 3 vote on JV, back on the "Drew's town but not cause of votes" grindset

[usesPython]

I think it’s notable that both on Day 1 and Day 2 Black votes Light twice but managed to safely rotate off onto the other leading wagon by the end of the day

This also applies to PC if for day 2 you take into account the ketchup vote brought the wagons to

2.16

Votecount 2.16

light_ganski (3): Titus, Hu Tao, Political Clout
Titus (3): Ranger, Enchant, Black
Black (2): JacksonVirgo, Doctor Drew
Political Clout (2): ketchup777, usesPython
Ranger (1): light_ganski

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-14 01:04:13).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

2.17

Votecount 2.17

Titus (3): Ranger, Enchant, Black
light_ganski (2): Titus, Hu Tao
Black (2): JacksonVirgo, Doctor Drew
Political Clout (1): usesPython
Ranger (1): light_ganski
Doctor Drew (1): ketchup777
ketchup777 (1): Political Clout

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-14 01:04:13).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

which made Titus much more likely to go through given that it was already getting momentum and then got back on light once it was safe to do so in

2.19

Votecount 2.19

Titus (3): Ranger, Enchant, Black
Black (3): JacksonVirgo, Doctor Drew, Titus
light_ganski (2): Hu Tao, Political Clout
Political Clout (1): usesPython
Ranger (1): light_ganski
Doctor Drew (1): ketchup777

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-14 01:04:13).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[usesPython]

Black -> PC probably just ends the game here

VOTE: Black

[usesPython]

I think she’s maf too but we have 8 days to sort her

Can we not turn this game into Cop 17er where the scumteam was super obvious but it still took a month after that point for the game to finish cause people were scared to just blast through the lims

[usesPython]

I'm on a roll. Let's see if I can go 3 in a row

Yeah fr, idk how you caught light

[usesPython]

Still think it's just PC here

[usesPython]

V/LA 2 days I got hit by a car

Holy shit get well soon

Also yeah inno on PC not like it matters

[usesPython]

We were also townreading Drew yesterday

[usesPython]

VOTE: Enchant

rawr

Is there a reason you're not voting your top scumread here?

[usesPython]

Still want PC here

[usesPython]

Going from "1f1 Python/PC" to "Actually I want to speedlim Ketchup" is pretty suspect

[usesPython]

If i was 100% confident i wouldn't bother talking. If anything i starting see it as policy.

Who do you want outside of policy

[usesPython]

If i was 100% confident i wouldn't bother talking. If anything i starting see it as policy.

Who do you want outside of policy

Ketchup, You, maybe Hu Tao.

Oh fun, PC actually runs away with this game

[usesPython]

Enchant why not PC

[usesPython]

Oh fun, PC actually runs away with this game

I might vote them when I’m feeling more normal

Enchant and Hu Tao will not is my point

[usesPython]

Oh fun, PC actually runs away with this game

I might vote them when I’m feeling more normal

Enchant and Hu Tao will not is my point

willn‘t Hu Tao? I can’t remember her reads ik she townreada me (rightly)

I was so excited for this game since I was finally cop and now I got tricked I feel deflated today ngl

I think this is what black quoted. but looking at it now It can be made by any alignment. it just feels town to me though. it's a good post. feels sincere and rings true. idk.

I think you and ketchup are town. Not sure who is last scum though

[usesPython]

as far as I can tell Drew sussed me, Enchant and Python. I can’t find him saying anything about Hu Tao

Drew wasn't sussing us, he misread one of our posts

And kinda a not so good vibe from Python

tell me more tell me more.

I just get a vibe that python is working to actively protect Ranger(and in turn push Titus), and I feel like Titus just showed herself as town as well.

I have been going back and forth on Titus/Ranger, but this feels right finally

And kinda a not so good vibe from Python

tell me more tell me more.

I just get a vibe that python is working to actively protect Ranger(and in turn push Titus), and I feel like Titus just showed herself as town as well.

I have been going back and forth on Titus/Ranger, but this feels right finally

Drew give us the good stuff, we literally want Ranger dead and just defended Titus

Ranger was just waiting for people to start seeing me as town. She's wanting the whole day to focus on me. Like uses said, she's better than this. Ideally, people should have let me defend myself from Ranger's bogus case but still.

Uses, do you think there's any possibility of tunneled Ranger?

The problem with the tunneled town!Ranger theory is that normally when she's tunneled she starts twisting dayplay in the worst light possible while mech stays fairly solid (though minimal if it's not necessary). Here we're seeing the opposite; With the exception of the "no less vs at least" part if you take the mech at face value the dayplay argument is pretty solid. The problem is the mech being twisted with false equivalences causes the dayplay argument to fall apart, it's just the reverse of what kind of mistake we'd expect to see if Ranger was tunneled

Python, I think I misread this post and coupled it with the town tell I saw Titus make.

My B

[usesPython]

Ketchup, You, maybe Hu Tao.

Terrible reads

If you townread PC then who is Enchant allowed to think is scum?

[usesPython]

As i remember Hu Tao townreads Kethup.


I don't remember Hu Tao expressing townread on PC.

I was so excited for this game since I was finally cop and now I got tricked I feel deflated today ngl

I think this is what black quoted. but looking at it now It can be made by any alignment. it just feels town to me though. it's a good post. feels sincere and rings true. idk.

I think you and ketchup are town. Not sure who is last scum though

[usesPython]

If Enchant's scum here then light wouldn't be faking a red check on one of like two people who'd actually have a decent chance of being VT (Ranger cause fakeclaim meta and Ketchup cause VT crumbs)

[usesPython]

If Enchant's scum here then light wouldn't be faking a red check on one of like two people who'd actually have a decent chance of being VT (Ranger cause fakeclaim meta and Ketchup cause VT crumbs)

Ok PC would also have VT equity there too in that world but still, there's other people she could have red checked that would be safe

@Python
@Political Clout

I guess you are last allies i have in this game.

It's useless to talk with Hu Tao, Hu Tao always accuses me every game due some bias (look at any previous game where Hu Tao first to yell ENCHANT OBVIOUS SCUM I KNOW), so i save my time.

I don't strongly believe Hu Tao is mafia, i just find suspicious that Black had practically zero support last day and decided to 1vs1 Hu Tao out of blue.


I am willing to try to work with @Ketchup as well (not like i have choice), but i would like to avoid so.

We can compromise on Hu Tao if necessary at EOD, we'd rather just lim PC here though

[usesPython]

I think Enchant > Python wins the game if Enchant isn't scum

Terrible reads

[usesPython]

1.19

Votecount 1.19

Laplacian

(4): Hu Tao,

light_ganski

,

Black

,

Ranger

light_ganski

(3):

Doctor Drew

,

Titus

,

Laplacian

Ranger

(1):

DkKoba

DkKoba

(1): usesPython

Doctor Drew

(1):

JacksonVirgo

ketchup777 (1): ketchup777

Not Voting (2): Arko, Political Clout

See, we were right about Ranger being scum

[usesPython]

from VC 1.13-1.23 the 3 leading the wagon were Hu Tao-LG-Black and like... would scum really do that?

We've done that as scum before, it's not that hard

[usesPython]

Especially when the alternative is to either bus or let your teammate get limmed

[usesPython]

We should probably actually use our vote at some point

VOTE: PC

[usesPython]

Some real thrilling analysis there, why aren't we blasting people yet?

[usesPython]

No, we're just sitting here waiting for the game to end already

[usesPython]

I'll hammer to advance but I still think it's enchant or python

I think we lose the game if ketchup is still alive and we're wrong on enchant we should vote out python today I think we hit scum with python. They had to kill drew as it makes the most sense for them as mafia since they were basically clearing them mechanically? setup wise? idk.

Drew was being townread by 3 people, it's pretty obvious why he died

[usesPython]

V/LA Monday

[usesPython]

Actually it could be python maybe oh no

Cops are the new VT. There's going to be sprinkled roles like the Disloyal but mostly they're the new VT, no point in coordinating anything really.

We'll wait until light claims to comment on this further

VOTE: light

so much for waiting for light

From memory this was us dancing around the fact that Enchant was claiming VT since light was the last unclaimed

doesn't explain why you are letting jv dictate your actions.

We compensate for our low read accuracy by being pretty good at finding a few people town and then sheeping them, in this case especially we're content to shoot our other scumreads given that we don't have the time to read or case much

'shoot’ as a Freudian slip?

We use shoot as an alternative to lim (e.g.

How to solve the game:

1. Shoot Titus
   
2. Shoot everyone on the DE wagon

---

Wake up

VOTE: Black

Sleep

Actually

VOTE: ketchup

This rotation to get off the Light wagon still feels pretty bad. Rotating to second scum then thinking better of it. Then seeming to strongly townread black later on is a bit weird.

Black vote was for bad d2 posting, then we changed our mind and decided to vibe-check her d1 and got got. Having way stronger townreads than we realistically should is a chronic problem for us that we're not interested in fixing cause it'd be boring (co-incidentally Cop 17er quoted above has us do the same thing to DE (who was town) and Naerys (who was maf))

[usesPython]

We're not hammering

[usesPython]

We want PC here

[usesPython]

oh thank god we don't have to read an 800 post ISO

VOTE: Enchant

[usesPython]

Enchant did you ask for a fast night?

Yes.

I did too. hmmmm

We pulled an all-nighter and forgot, sorry

[usesPython]

Ketchup what do you need from us?

[usesPython]

@mod

can a miller be scum? obviously it seems redundant but is it possible?

Miller is Town-only in Complex Normals

[usesPython]

Ketchup what do you need from us?

idk rn I’ll just dump some questions here soon
what do you think you could tell me that would put you as town?

Hu Tao kill lacks a strong narrative we can build off of and would just condemn us to a slow death given that both you and Enchant were townreading each other EOD

[usesPython]

Enchant did you ask for a fast night?

Yes.

I did too. hmmmm

We pulled an all-nighter and forgot, sorry

did you cop anyone?

No we forgot about the game

[usesPython]

N4: Drew - interesting. need to look back at Drew+Python interactions. If Enchant killed Drew to frame Python, surprised that Enchant didn't push Python day 5

Drew died cause Universal Townread, we have enough experience with getting Drew to Drew what we want that he's more useful to us alive than dead as scum

N5: Hu Tao. so someone came into today thinking that this was their best ElO chance. If scum!Enchant set this up his voting me straight away would be surprising to not have the chance of getting me mislimmed, and relying on me to get it wrong. python could have been planning to cast suspicion on me yet didn't get the chance. realistically the NK was probably always going to me or Hu Tao. so who would fear

Hu Tao
Enchant
Python

endgame? what were Hu Tao's reads? had she hinted at who she might vote in ElO? these are the things I intend to find out before committing to a vote

funfun

It's very simple:
Hu Tao/Enchant/Python is "too easy" and might get Hu Tao to re-evaluate off of us
Ketchup/Enchant/Python doesn't have that problem, which is why Enchant insta-voted us before even bothering to read you

[usesPython]

It's simple.

Look all Python posts from perspective that Python knew all answers.

We've been wrong this game about stuff, only thing we predicted was that scum couldn't necessarily conclude that "All Godfathers = All Cops" in a bastard game

[usesPython]

We're saying that Hu Tao scumread us though?

[usesPython]

Hu Tao trusted us way less than you, it's only like yesterday that she started sussing you

[usesPython]

Enjoying the "Minor logic error in trying to figure out exactly what I was doing this game, I win" type arguments though. If you felt Hu Tao was sussing you more then the obvious answer is that you shot Hu Tao to not lose to Hu Tao voting you

[usesPython]

Like biggest indicator that Enchant is scum here is insta-voting us

[usesPython]

Like biggest indicator that Enchant is scum here is insta-voting us

I get the sense enchant just likes voting people

Yeah but he still gets his act together in ELO

[usesPython]

He only does the funny quickhammer compilation when it doesn't lose the game

[usesPython]

the Light vote is interesting because it was never backed up.

By that same logic our PC vote was never backed up, just because we didn't write it in thread doesn't mean we didn't have reasoning. light vote was us sheeping Black in 106

The other interesting thing is that Black and Light were 2 of the 4 (+Jackson+Titus) least engaged with slots, and while Python said "We're vibing with JV" in 343, no thoughts were offered as to Light or Black's alignment, which would fit in with a Black+Light distance with each other while not enaging with the third scum world. 789 could also hint at Drew becoming a threat for Python later on, maybe leading to the N4 NK. but let's take a look at day 2 in the next post yip yip yippee

D1 progression looks bad simply cause the day ended in 3 irl days and we were V/LA for most of it (Also sudden brain blast was Enchant picked as the deepwolf specifically cause of no d1 posts?)

[usesPython]

If you look at it in terms of irl days then it's:

1. Day 1:
   1. Koba
      
   2. PC
      
   3. ketchup
      
   4. Black
      
   5. Drew
      
   6. light
2. Day 2:
   1. JV
      
   2. light
      
   3. Drew
      
   4. Lap
      
   5. Hu Tao
      
   6. Koba
3. Day 3:
   1. Ketchup
      
   2. Hu Tao
      
   3. Koba
      
   4. PC
      
   5. Lap
      
   6. Ranger

Which like is pretty normal for us, only have so much energy to devote to mafia and it's not enough to read the entire PL if D1 ends that early

[usesPython]

people who we talked about or to period

[usesPython]

D1 progression looks bad simply cause the day ended in 3 irl days and we were V/LA for most of it (Also sudden brain blast was Enchant picked as the deepwolf specifically cause of no d1 posts?)

Honestly it would look way more belivable if you said that my mafia team decided to quickly eliminate self when i replaced in.


Python is NOT first time player to not know how notoriously bad player i am and mafia would NEVER EVER EVER bet game on me being last mafia, unless they are memeing.

light was dead, Black was scumread by the entire lobby, we don't see why it's that crazy for you to be picked as last

[usesPython]

ketchup something for you to look at: It's a lot easier here for scum to go "No you're wrong about what makes me scum" than it is for them to go "Here's why the other person is scum"

[usesPython]

I already know you are mafia.


From my perspective anything you did is mafia aligned.

Wow you'll never believe this co-incidence

[usesPython]

Enchant we should roll scum together sometime

[usesPython]

Python, if you offered a read on Light D1 or D2, direct me

D1:

Sheeping Blacks 106 in 114

Vibing with JV's 189 in 343 though that was a side thing to their ketchup posts

D2:

Sheeping JV's 1312 in 1325

---

One thing that gets missed when ISOing us though is that we rely heavily on live chatting with whoever's online to sort people, multi-ISO light and us and you'll notice our timezones miss each other in such a way that we almost never catch each other live

[usesPython]

Please also bother to ISO Enchant cause you'll notice they also barely interact with Black or light

[usesPython]

Scroll down and click "Isolate Users", then checkmark the people you want to multi-ISO and press Go

[usesPython]

I guess its interesting how much Black mentioned Python, and contrastingly the only time Black seems to think about Enchant (beyond mentioning me voting Arko day 1) is

in English: Ranger flipped VT. Enchant has since claimed cop. Ranger was probs our only VT.

Oh wait I knew that

My brain has been foggy

I guess scum!Enchant could have originally claimed VT to get the actual VT to claim

for Black, who was so careful to distance thoroughly and constantly with Light, never engaging with scum!Enchant seems like an oversight

Black only bothered to talk to light d1, d2 onwards only has 3 light quotes (might be wrong since I control+F'd light_ cause of the light in her title)

[usesPython]

gg we were maf

[usesPython]

gg we were maf

I hate you


Why did you kill me??

Don't read the dead thread haha

Had to be done, you were too townie

[usesPython]

Spoiler: [i

Role Assignments

[/i]

ketchup777 -

Town Cop

JacksonVirgo -

Town Cop

Black -

Mafia Godfather

Titus -

Town Cop

light_ganski -

Mafia Rolecop-Finder Godfather

Ranger -

Vanilla Townie

Enchant -

Town Cop

usesPython -

Mafia Godfather

Laplacian -

Town Disloyal Cop

Hu Tao -

Town Cop

DkKoba -

Town Cop

Political Clout -

Town Cop

Doctor Drew -

Town Cop

Night 1 Actions

ketchup777 uses cop ability on Enchant.
JacksonVirgo uses cop ability on Enchant.
Titus uses cop ability on Ranger.
Enchant uses cop ability on usesPython.
Hu Tao uses cop ability on Political Clout.
DkKoba uses cop ability on Titus.
Political Clout uses cop ability on Titus.
Doctor Drew uses cop ability on usesPython.

light_ganski uses rolecop-finder ability on Enchant.
Black uses factional kill on DkKoba.

Night 1 Resolution

DkKoba dies.

ketchup777 receives the message, "Your target, Enchant, is aligned with the

town

."
JacksonVirgo receives the message, "Your target, Enchant, is aligned with the

town

."
Titus receives the message, "Your target, Ranger, is aligned with the

town

."
Enchant receives the message, "Your target, usesPython, is aligned with the

town

."
Hu Tao receives the message, "Your target, Political Clout, is aligned with the

town

."
DkKoba receives the message, "Your target, Titus, is aligned with the

town

."
Political Clout receives the message, "Your target, Titus, is aligned with the

town

."
Doctor Drew receives the message, "Your target, usesPython, is aligned with the

town

."
light_ganski receives the message, "Your target, Enchant, is not a rolecop."

Night 2 Actions

ketchup777 uses cop ability on Hu Tao.
JacksonVirgo uses cop ability on ketchup777.
Enchant uses cop ability on ketchup777.
Hu Tao uses cop ability on JacksonVirgo.
Political Clout uses cop ability on Enchant.
Doctor Drew uses cop ability on Black.

light_ganski uses rolecop-finder ability on Political Clout.
usesPython uses factional kill on JacksonVirgo.

Night 2 Resolution

JacksonVirgo dies.

ketchup777 receives the message, "Your target, Hu Tao, is aligned with the

town

."
JacksonVirgo receives the message, "Your target, ketchup777, is aligned with the

town

."
Enchant receives the message, "Your target, ketchup777, is aligned with the

town

."
Hu Tao receives the message, "Your target, JacksonVirgo, is aligned with the

town

."
Political Clout receives the message, "Your target, Enchant, is aligned with the

town

."
Doctor Drew receives the message, "Your target, Black, is aligned with the

town

."
light_ganski receives the message, "Your target, Ranger, is not a rolecop."

Night 3 Actions

ketchup777 uses cop ability on Doctor Drew.
Enchant uses cop ability on Hu Tao.
Hu Tao uses cop ability on Black.
Political Clout uses cop ability on Hu Tao.
Doctor Drew uses cop ability on Political Clout.

Black uses factional kill on Ranger.

Night 3 Resolution

Ranger dies.

ketchup777 receives the message, "Your target, Doctor Drew, is aligned with the

town

."
Enchant receives the message, "Your target, Hu Tao, is aligned with the

town

."
Hu Tao receives the message, "Your target, Black, is aligned with the

town

."
Political Clout receives the message, "Your target, Hu Tao, is aligned with the

town

."
Doctor Drew receives the message, "Your target, Political Clout, is aligned with the

town

."

Night 4 Actions

ketchup777 uses cop ability on Political Clout.
Enchant uses cop ability on Doctor Drew.
Hu Tao uses cop ability on Enchant.
Political Clout uses cop ability on Doctor Drew.
Doctor Drew uses cop ability on Enchant.

usesPython uses factional kill on Doctor Drew.

Night 4 Resolution

Doctor Drew dies.

ketchup777 receives the message, "Your target, Political Clout, is aligned with the

town

."
Enchant receives the message, "Your target, Doctor Drew, is aligned with the

town

."
Hu Tao receives the message, "Your target, Enchant, is aligned with the

town

."
Political Clout receives the message, "Your target, Doctor Drew, is aligned with the

town

."
Doctor Drew receives the message, "Your target, Enchant, is aligned with the

town

."

Night 5 Actions

ketchup777 uses cop ability on usesPython.
Enchant uses cop ability on usesPython.
Hu Tao takes no action.

usesPython uses factional kill on Hu Tao.

Night 5 Resolution

Hu Tao dies.

ketchup777 receives the message, "Your target, usesPython, is aligned with the

town

."
Enchant receives the message, "Your target, usesPython, is aligned with the

town

."

lmao the night actions

interesting that they did rolecop-finder Enchant and that’s maybe why they didn’t kill Enchant N2 ig

No we figured Enchant wasn't a threat

[usesPython]

Wanted max thread control for lights 1v1 and misread Rangers fakeclaim as Town Cop instead of VT

[usesPython]

Anyway why mafia didn't bother to kill me when i was "conftown", but when ranger conftown, Ranger instadies.


Do ya all think i am incompetent.

No we figured Enchant wasn't a threat

lol

We lol'd too when we saw the Enchant post originally

[usesPython]

Enchant rolling VT won town the game I think

[usesPython]

Enchant rolling VT won town the game I think

Ranger not Enchant